Rep DeFazio denied access to COG documents

[mhgaffney]

I live in Oregon -- and am not a happy camper. I've just learned that my Congressman Rep. Peter DeFazio was denied access to the Bush administration's plans for continuity of government (COG) in the event of a serious terrorist attack.

DeFazio sits on the Homeland Security Committee and has clearance to view classified material -- yet he was not allowed to see the documents. This stinks to heaven. So what do the neo cons have in store for America?

DeFazio told the Oregonian:

"Maybe the people who think there's a conspiracy are right."

Here's the story:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/230707martiallaw.htm

[Garcia Bronco]

Probably becuase the guys don't have one.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Probably becuase the guys don't have one.What "guys" don't have one what?

[c_lazy_r]

What "guys" don't have one what?

I think he means they (the government) don't have a COG plan.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I think he means they (the government) don't have a COG plan.I'm pretty sure they do since Bush issued his new directive in May of this year to change it.

[baja]

I can understand where sensitive parts of the plan would need to be kept secret but the general plan should be available for general knowledge to insure the public's best interests are served

[defenseman]

A well phrased general statement wrt COG in case of emergency is all that should be published. Suck it up Ghaff, you'll get over it...dman

[c_lazy_r]

I'm pretty sure they do since Bush issued his new directive in May of this year to change it.

I wasn't suggesting they didn't, only interpreting.

[mhgaffney]

A well phrased general statement wrt COG in case of emergency is all that should be published. Suck it up Ghaff, you'll get over it...dman

When a duly elected Congressman who has a security clarance to see all classified material and who sits on the Homeland Security Committee is barred from seeing the relevant documents it can only mean one thing.

We are no longer a democracy -- nor even a Republic.

I fail to see how any of us will "get over it."

See you in the camps.

[Bronco Bob]

When a duly elected Congressman who has a security clarance to see all classified material and who sits on the Homeland Security Committee is barred from seeing the relevant documents it can only mean one thing.

We are no longer a democracy -- nor even a Republic.

I fail to see how any of us will "get over it."

See you in the camps.


You just never know. After all, someone has to guard the prisoners.

[Atlas]

I live in Oregon -- and am not a happy camper. I've just learned that my Congressman Rep. Peter DeFazio was denied access to the Bush administration's plans for continuity of government (COG) in the event of a serious terrorist attack.

DeFazio sits on the Homeland Security Committee and has clearance to view classified material -- yet he was not allowed to see the documents. This stinks to heaven. So what do the neo cons have in store for America?

DeFazio told the Oregonian:

"Maybe the people who think there's a conspiracy are right."

Here's the story:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/230707martiallaw.htm

Oregon is going to be the place I retire, Beautiful, no heat and the republican party has been bnanned ythere. My Kind of people.

[mhgaffney]

You will be most welcome.

And yes -- it is still a beautiful state -- despite the best efforts of some to strip mine the place.

[c_lazy_r]

too many tree huggers for me.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Correct me if i'm wrong but that article shows a lack of knowledge of security protocols. DeFazio may have the clearance necessary to see the documents, but that's only half the protocol. He also has to have a need to know. And a fishing expedition by some conspiracy theorist does not constitute a need to know. No security entity would grant clearance in this case. These protocols have been in place since the Manhattan Project.

[mhgaffney]

Correct me if i'm wrong but that article shows a lack of knowledge of security protocols. DeFazio may have the clearance necessary to see the documents, but that's only half the protocol. He also has to have a need to know. And a fishing expedition by some conspiracy theorist does not constitute a need to know. No security entity would grant clearance in this case. These protocols have been in place since the Manhattan Project.

What a bunch of BS. You are clueless.

Congress makes up one third of the US government -- or haven't you heard?

"Need to know" is the end run around representative government that has prevented democratic over sight of black military projects and covert operations for many years.

Dude, this is the whole problem!

This is why a trillion dollars in CIA and mob drug money gets laundered through US banks every year.

This is why the Pentagon "lost" 2.3 trillion in military appropriations -- before 9/11 -- and why we've flushed another $ trillion down the toilet in Iraq and Afghanistan, since.

Do you prefer living in a police state? Or maybe you just don't care -- as long as you can "tune out" and groove every Sunday afternoon at the NFL bread and circus party.

I say this as a long time Bronco fan.

[mhgaffney]

ps. This is what Ike was trying to tell us back in 1960 when he warned us to beware of the growing power of the military industrial complex.

[defenseman]

ps. This is what Ike was trying to tell us back in 1960 when he warned us to beware of the growing power of the military industrial complex.

Praytell, what else did Ike tell us?....dman

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Praytell, what else did Ike tell us?....dman
In most communities it is illegal to cry "fire" in a crowded assembly. Should it not be considered serious international misconduct to manufacture a general war scare in an effort to achieve local political aims?

I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.

Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative.

Don't join the book burners. Don't think you are going to conceal faults by concealing evidence that they ever existed.

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.

How far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without?

I like to believe that people in the long run are going to do more to promote peace than our governments. Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it.

If the United Nations once admits that international disputes can be settled by using force, then we will have destroyed the foundation of the organization and our best hope of establishing a world order.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

[Smiling Assassin27]

What a bunch of BS. You are clueless.

Congress makes up one third of the US government -- or haven't you heard?

"Need to know" is the end run around representative government that has prevented democratic over sight of black military projects and covert operations for many years.

Dude, this is the whole problem!

This is why a trillion dollars in CIA and mob drug money gets laundered through US banks every year.

This is why the Pentagon "lost" 2.3 trillion in military appropriations -- before 9/11 -- and why we've flushed another $ trillion down the toilet in Iraq and Afghanistan, since.

Do you prefer living in a police state? Or maybe you just don't care -- as long as you can "tune out" and groove every Sunday afternoon at the NFL bread and circus party.

I say this as a long time Bronco fan.

if you don't like the protocol, then push your elected officials to change it. i'm not saying the protocols are fair, i'm just saying that's likely the reason that this guy was denied access. all that other stuff you posted is irrelevant. you sound frustrated but the protocol is what it is. if you want to add it to the charges at the impeachment, go ahead.

and your allusion to a police state is nothing more than hyperbole and rhetoric. it also tells me that you don't often deal in reality (i.e., what IS, not what ought to be or what you THINK is). take a look at sudan or saudi and then tell me we live in a police state. did the guy have a need to know or didn't he? you don't know and neither do i, so take your conspiracy theory and sell it someplace else.

[Taco John]

Probably becuase the guys don't have one.



Come on... Nobody who visits the politics forum this time of year possibly believes this. Are you serious about this?

Government continuity programs started in the 1950's, and Bush's administration has been obsessed with them. Everybody knows that... At least they should:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/02/AR2006060201410_pf.html

[Taco John]

Praytell, what else did Ike tell us?....dman


What Ike Told us (http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/main.html)