Rep Conyers: "three more and I'll impeach..."

[mhgaffney]

We might be closer to impeachment than most of us thought. According to this report John Conyers (D-MI) is teetering. All he needs is a few thousand calls from angry Americans.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/24962

There is no shortage of capital crimes for which to nail Bush/Cheney. Heck, there's a laundry list so long it makes Clinton's blow job look innocent.

Help turn the tide. Call your congressman today and demand impeachment. Do it BEFORE the August recess. Make the phones ring off the hook. That's how to make the US government respond to the people.

Once impeachment starts it will be very difficult for Bush to start a new Mideast war.

Here is the Capitol switchboard number: 202 - 224 - 3121

[codeman]

We might be closer to impeachment than most of us thought. According to this report John Conyers (D-MI) is teetering. All he needs is a few thousand calls from angry Americans.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/24962

There is no shortage of capital crimes for which to nail Bush/Cheney. Heck, there's a laundry list so long it makes Clinton's blow job look innocent.

Help turn the tide. Call your congressman today and demand impeachment. Do it BEFORE the August recess. Make the phones ring off the hook. That's how to make the US government respond to the people.

Once impeachment starts it will be very difficult for Bush to start a new Mideast war.

Here is the Capitol switchboard number: 202 - 224 - 3121

You are beyond hope. Were you this hard on Clinton when he was totally non-responsive to situations during his 2 terms?

[theAPAOps5]

You are beyond hope. Were you this hard on Clinton when he was totally non-responsive to situations during his 2 terms?

Pot I would like to introduce you to kettle. You have a ton in common.

[codeman]

Pot I would like to introduce you to kettle. You have a ton in common.

Yeah, right.

When Clinton was un-leading this country I was in the military and couldn't say what I felt because he was the commander-in-chief. I've retired now and can speak my mind about his inaction and what damage he did to the country.

I don't know where you are coming from but I'd venture to say that you haven't served anything but breakfast at the Waffle House.

[theAPAOps5]

You make your assumptions. But I have served and watched my dad serve and my step dad still serves. I know first hand what military life is like I have seen friends dads die and never come home. So take your pretentious wannabe attitude and shove it up your ass. You are 30 and retired. Don't disgrace the military with your lies.

[Spider]

We might be closer to impeachment than most of us thought. According to this report John Conyers (D-MI) is teetering. All he needs is a few thousand calls from angry Americans.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/24962

There is no shortage of capital crimes for which to nail Bush/Cheney. Heck, there's a laundry list so long it makes Clinton's blow job look innocent.

Help turn the tide. Call your congressman today and demand impeachment. Do it BEFORE the August recess. Make the phones ring off the hook. That's how to make the US government respond to the people.

Once impeachment starts it will be very difficult for Bush to start a new Mideast war.

Here is the Capitol switchboard number: 202 - 224 - 3121

Hope they impeach the ****boy Cheney also ........Both of these clowns need to go down hard ...........I wouldnt mind seeing Bush do some jail time .....

[mhgaffney]

Yeah, right.

When Clinton was un-leading this country I was in the military and couldn't say what I felt because he was the commander-in-chief. I've retired now and can speak my mind about his inaction and what damage he did to the country.

I don't know where you are coming from but I'd venture to say that you haven't served anything but breakfast at the Waffle House.

Codeman -- is new to this board -- and has not seen my sharp criticisms of Clinton. I am an independent -- not a Democrap.

Clinton failed this nation and the world. He was granted the unique historical opportunity to lead by charting a new path after the Cold War ended -- and he flopped.

Bill turned out to be a weakling -- a coward. Totally without principles.

He failed to give firm direction to the US military. Bill should have informed the Pentagon that the resources then being squandered on missiles, aircraft carriers, and every weapon system under the sun now had to re reallocated to solve the pressing problems we face on this planet. And what were those problems?

At the top of the list:

1. The transition away from oil/coal to an abundant clean energy alternative -- Clinton should have given this new mission to Los Alamos, Sandia and the Lawrence Livermore Lab.

2. To lift the third world out of poverty -- which is the only humane way to solve the population crunch. When the status of women improves along with the standard of living couples have fewer children.

3. the protection of the global environment --

Clinton should have announced a new world agenda. The end of poverty and the protection of the global enviuronment was achievable. One of my former professors from Colorado State University, Dr Maurice Albertson -- who helped found the peace corps many years ago -- says we could lift the third world out of poverty for a mere $100 billion. We've already blown 5 times that much in Iraq!

You don't believe me? Check out Albertson's web site -- where he has documents for download laying out the blueprint: His village Earth concept and Operation Bootstrap:
http://www.villageearth.org/pages/About_Us/staff_volunteers.htm

Instead, Clinton caved in to the militarists at the Pentagon -- who want total domination of the planet. They wanted to weaponize space -- and Clinton allowed this research to go forward -- along with an accelerated nuclear weapons program.

Clinton prepared the way for Bush. He is just as guilty in my eyes. This is also why I oppose Hillary.

[theAPAOps5]

Clinton prepared the way for Bush. He is just as guilty in my eyes. This is also why I oppose Hillary.

Holy **** something I can agree with you on! Ron Paul is my man, alas the established parties will make that one impossible.

[codeman]

You make your assumptions. But I have served and watched my dad serve and my step dad still serves. I know first hand what military life is like I have seen friends dads die and never come home. So take your pretentious wannabe attitude and shove it up your ass. You are 30 and retired. Don't disgrace the military with your lies.

Well don't believe what you see. I'm 55 and retired from the Navy with over 24 years service. Not highly decorated but did my service. Get a grip will ya?

[mhgaffney]

What impresses me are the quality of a man's thoughts -- and his level of awareness -- not the decals on his chest.

I grew up in a military household. My father was a career USAF officer -- a full bird Col in the OSI -- AF intelligence. The number two man when he retired.

My older brother graduated from the USAF academy and also completed a 25 year USAF career -- also reaching full bird status.

I know very well the military mind set. I am not anti military. But it is not the role or function of the military to make national policy.

We are desparately in need of visionary leadership -- and the military cannot provide it.

[codeman]

What impresses me are the quality of a man's thoughts -- and his level of awareness -- not the decals on his chest.

I grew up in a military household. My father was a career USAF officer -- a full bird Col in the OSI -- AF intelligence. The number two man when he retired.

My older brother graduated from the USAF academy and also completed a 25 year USAF career -- also reaching full bird status.

I know very well the military mind set. I am not anti military. But it is not the role or function of the military to make national policy.

We are desparately in need of visionary leadership -- and the military cannot provide it.

Those "decals" you are talking of are Medals. Many of the people that wear those Medals won them doing a job that many will not do (i.e. Bill Clinton). My medals are of little importance, but there are many of my brothers that have earned my respect due to their gallantry and dedication to the country. I don't think it's right for you, someone that has only looked at the military from the outside in. If you want to have some credibility, go join any one of the five armed services and take the oath that your dad and uncle did. Then I might have a little more respect of your opinion of what the military mindset might be.

I see, the people that shaped this country weren't good enough to do the job?

Presidents that served in the military during War Time:
* George Washington - Commander in Chief of Continental Army during the American Revolution.
* James Monroe - served in American Revolution
* Andrew Jackson - American Revolution, War of 1812, First Seminole War
* William Henry Harrison - Indian wars in the NW territory, War of 1812
* John Tyler - War of 1812
* Zachary Taylor - War of 1812, Black Hawk, Second Seminole, and Mexican wars
* Franklin Pierce - Mexican War
* James Buchanan - War of 1812
* Abraham Lincoln - Black Hawk War
* Andrew Johnson - Civil War
* Ulysses Grant - Mexican War, Civil War
* Rutherford Hayes - Civil War
* James Garfield - Civil War
* Chester Arthur - Civil War
* Benjamin Harrison - Civil War
* William McKinley - Civil War
* Theodore Roosevelt - Spanish-American War
* Harry Truman - WWI
* Dwight Eisenhower - WWII General
* John Kennedy - WWII
* Lyndon Johnson - WWII
* Richard Nixon - WWII
* Gerald Ford - WWII
* George Bush - WWII

Presidents in the Military but saw no action:
# James Madison
# James Polk
# Millard Fillmore
# Jimmy Carter
# Ronald Reagan - kept out of combat due to bad eyesight
# George W. Bush

Presidents with NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE:
* John Adams
* Thomas Jefferson
* John Quincy Adams
* Martin Van Buren
* Grover Cleveland
* William Taft
* Woodrow Wilson
* Warren Harding
* Calvin Coolidge
* Herbert Hoover
* Franklin Roosevelt
* Bill Clinton

Career Military
* George Washington
* Andrew Jackson
* William Henry Harrison
* Zachary Taylor
* Ulysses S. Grant
* Dwight Eisenhower

Your perception of the military is from the outside. You were a dependent and haven't a clue as to the mindset of the typical military man or woman. Your perception of the military is based on your family members that served, two people, now there is a quorum!

[mhgaffney]

I am very familar with the oath you took.

The real question is whether you have forgotten half of it. You swore to defend the US Constitution against enemies both foreign and domestic.


Your allegiance should be to preserving the US Constitution -- not supporting the criminals and thugs in our government who would destroy it.

The most insidious problem we face is the domestic threat -- not foreign enemies.

The neo cons manufactured consent for their program for world domination -- by manipulating the fears of the people. But of late people are beginning to realize we have been deceived. Where do you stand, Codeman? With the US Constitution (which gives Congress the power to declare war -- not the president)? Or with the neo cons?

[Spider]

You make your assumptions. But I have served and watched my dad serve and my step dad still serves. I know first hand what military life is like I have seen friends dads die and never come home. So take your pretentious wannabe attitude and shove it up your ass. You are 30 and retired. Don't disgrace the military with your lies.

one thread he claims to be 55 , his profile says 30 ......... Codeman is nothing but a lying puke , I put his punk ass on ignore ......

[Atlas]

Well don't believe what you see. I'm 55 and retired from the Navy with over 24 years service. Not highly decorated but did my service. Get a grip will ya?

You can be excused for your bad judgement you have been brainwashed.

[Atlas]

one thread he claims to be 55 , his profile says 30 ......... Codeman is nothing but a lying puke , I put his punk ass on ignore ......


HAHAHA What a ****ing loser.

[Atlas]

Those "decals" you are talking of are Medals. Many of the people that wear those Medals won them doing a job that many will not do (i.e. Bill Clinton). My medals are of little importance, but there are many of my brothers that have earned my respect due to their gallantry and dedication to the country. I don't think it's right for you, someone that has only looked at the military from the outside in. If you want to have some credibility, go join any one of the five armed services and take the oath that your dad and uncle did. Then I might have a little more respect of your opinion of what the military mindset might be.

I see, the people that shaped this country weren't good enough to do the job?

Presidents that served in the military during War Time:
* George Washington - Commander in Chief of Continental Army during the American Revolution.
* James Monroe - served in American Revolution
* Andrew Jackson - American Revolution, War of 1812, First Seminole War
* William Henry Harrison - Indian wars in the NW territory, War of 1812
* John Tyler - War of 1812
* Zachary Taylor - War of 1812, Black Hawk, Second Seminole, and Mexican wars
* Franklin Pierce - Mexican War
* James Buchanan - War of 1812
* Abraham Lincoln - Black Hawk War
* Andrew Johnson - Civil War
* Ulysses Grant - Mexican War, Civil War
* Rutherford Hayes - Civil War
* James Garfield - Civil War
* Chester Arthur - Civil War
* Benjamin Harrison - Civil War
* William McKinley - Civil War
* Theodore Roosevelt - Spanish-American War
* Harry Truman - WWI
* Dwight Eisenhower - WWII General
* John Kennedy - WWII
* Lyndon Johnson - WWII
* Richard Nixon - WWII
* Gerald Ford - WWII
* George Bush - WWII

Presidents in the Military but saw no action:
# James Madison
# James Polk
# Millard Fillmore
# Jimmy Carter
# Ronald Reagan - kept out of combat due to bad eyesight
# George W. Bush

Presidents with NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE:
* John Adams
* Thomas Jefferson
* John Quincy Adams
* Martin Van Buren
* Grover Cleveland
* William Taft
* Woodrow Wilson
* Warren Harding
* Calvin Coolidge
* Herbert Hoover
* Franklin Roosevelt
* Bill Clinton

Career Military
* George Washington
* Andrew Jackson
* William Henry Harrison
* Zachary Taylor
* Ulysses S. Grant
* Dwight Eisenhower

Your perception of the military is from the outside. You were a dependent and haven't a clue as to the mindset of the typical military man or woman. Your perception of the military is based on your family members that served, two people, now there is a quorum!

Man, are you annoying. Why don't you go suck some Bush dick somewhere else.

[codeman]

I am very familar with the oath you took.

The real question is whether you have forgotten half of it. You swore to defend the US Constitution against enemies both foreign and domestic.


Your allegiance should be to preserving the US Constitution -- not supporting the criminals and thugs in our government who would destroy it.

The most insidious problem we face is the domestic threat -- not foreign enemies.

The neo cons manufactured consent for their program for world domination -- by manipulating the fears of the people. But of late people are beginning to realize we have been deceived. Where do you stand, Codeman? With the US Constitution (which gives Congress the power to declare war -- not the president)? Or with the neo cons?

How about showing me where it says in the constitution that the President was wrong in what was done?

Just to check my memory; did not congress give overwhelming approval for the current action? I seem to remember John Kerry saying, I voted for the war before I voted against it.

You seem to think that anyone that doesn't have your same beliefs are neo cons.

As for the manufactured information you are harping about, much if that information came from the Clinton Administration.

So Gafney, when are you forming your party to overthrow the U.S. government? some of the comments you are spouting seem to be pointing in that direction. You are currently claiming that the President, a legally elected individual, is a "domestic enemy". I'm sure that you might feel more at home in a country else where.

I'd guess that even though you claim to be anti democrat you will be backing Hillary in the next election. Should she be elected, you will be far the worse than what you are now.

You claim to be familiar with the oath that your dad and uncle took but it seems as if you don't have the ability to take that same oath. I would even go as far as to say that you would be a C.O. if there were a draft. I wouldn't even rule out you leaving the country to avoid service.

Is the U.S. perfect? No, but it is currently the best place to live in the world. If you were living abroad and spouting your anti government propaganda you would be imprisoned or executed by many of the countries currently opposing anything we do as a nation. I seriously doubt that you have the courage to stand up and spout your sentiment in Washington in front of the Congress or the Senate. It would be interesting to find out what would happen when you make the inflammatory statements about the U.S. President and administration, congress and the senate.

[codeman]

one thread he claims to be 55 , his profile says 30 ......... Codeman is nothing but a lying puke , I put his punk ass on ignore ......

There he is, spidey, the coward of the county! What a fkg loser!

[baja]

one thread he claims to be 55 , his profile says 30 ......... Codeman is nothing but a lying puke , I put his punk ass on ignore ......

I found a pic of codeman

http://www.moralminority.org/graphics/mm/steamingpi-1.gif

[theAPAOps5]

I put him on ignore his ignorance and attitude were making mad that I had the feeling something worthy of banning was about to spew out of me.

[Spider]

I put him on ignore his ignorance and attitude were making mad that I had the feeling something worthy of banning was about to spew out of me.

thats what I did , he is a freaking liar , big time ,****er doesnt even know how old he is , get this he wanted me to take his word on a bet ROFL! ........

[mhgaffney]

How about showing me where it says in the constitution that the President was wrong in what was done?

Just to check my memory; did not congress give overwhelming approval for the current action? I seem to remember John Kerry saying, I voted for the war before I voted against it.



Yes, we know what happened. The Bush administration gave a private security briefing to the US Senate -- and stated that Saddam was very close to the capabilty to target WMD at the cities of the US east coast.

In short, the neo con bastards lied to the Senate -- just like Sec of State Powell lied to the UN. It was all fabricated. Lie on top of lie.

The yellowcake from Nigeria -- all lies. The IAEA exposed this lie after a fifteen minute google search. That's all it took -- but it took longer for the American people to figure it out.

In short, they lied us into Iraq and Afghanistan -- two nations that did not attack us -- and this makes our leaders guilty of capital crimes. They deserve the right to a fair trial. But the preponderance of evidence will lead to their conviction.

First however must come impeachment.

[gunns]

You seem to think that anyone that doesn't have your same beliefs are neo cons.

Cross out neo cons and put in liberals and it's a statement regarding codeman.

Just to check my memory; did not congress give overwhelming approval for the current action? I seem to remember John Kerry saying, I voted for the war before I voted against it.

Seems a lot of people initially bought the lies.....obviously some still do.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=55387

So Gafney, when are you forming your party to overthrow the U.S. government? some of the comments you are spouting seem to be pointing in that direction. You are currently claiming that the President, a legally elected individual, is a "domestic enemy". I'm sure that you might feel more at home in a country else where.

Ahhh, the infamous "Love it or leave it" mantra used by the silent majority back in the early 70's against the protestors of the Vietnam war. Funny thing is, the protestors were right. Seems to me you'd be comfortable living in another country, one with a dictator that plays games with the constitution and considers that constitution as a mere piece of paper.

Is the U.S. perfect? No, but it is currently the best place to live in the world. If you were living abroad and spouting your anti government propaganda you would be imprisoned or executed by many of the countries currently opposing anything we do as a nation. I seriously doubt that you have the courage to stand up and spout your sentiment in Washington in front of the Congress or the Senate. It would be interesting to find out what would happen when you make the inflammatory statements about the U.S. President and administration, congress and the senate.

Absolutely right it's the best place to live. Let's keep it that way. Given the opportunity to speak in front of Congress or the Senate I'd say it all in a second. It's my right, why would anyone be afraid to do that, to attempt to right a wrong? What would happen? Has this administration taken away our right to speak freely?

[Spider]

In short, they lied us into Iraq and Afghanistan -- two nations that did not attack us -- and this makes our leaders guilty of capital crimes. They deserve the right to a fair trial. But the preponderance of evidence will lead to their conviction.

First however must come impeachment.

wrong Afghanistan was the right move ............

[codeman]

Yes, we know what happened. The Bush administration gave a private security briefing to the US Senate -- and stated that Saddam was very close to the capabilty to target WMD at the cities of the US east coast.

:bs: If it was secret how do you have the information? You are really reaching for something that isn't there.

In short, the neo con bastards lied to the Senate -- just like Sec of State Powell lied to the UN. It was all fabricated. Lie on top of lie.

Care to provide credible links to prove any of your comments? I think you are full of :bs: again.

The yellowcake from Nigeria -- all lies. The IAEA exposed this lie after a fifteen minute google search. That's all it took -- but it took longer for the American people to figure it out.

We all know that everything you can google is 100% pure fact! There are quite a few "facts" you can google that are nothing more than posts from boards such as this that are written by whacko nut jobs like you.

In short, they lied us into Iraq and Afghanistan -- two nations that did not attack us -- and this makes our leaders guilty of capital crimes. They deserve the right to a fair trial. But the preponderance of evidence will lead to their conviction.

That is just an opinion that those that have a problem with the current administration. Better than 50% of the problem we have is that those that provided the false information had an agenda different than that of the administration. Afghanistan was a correct move. Iraq ATTACKED us military planes patrolling the NFZ on numerous occasions, those attacks were an act of war. If there was evidence out there don't you think that there would be more than whacko's like you whining about it on the internet?

First however must come impeachment.

As above, if there was enough to convene a grand jury, they would be doing so. Once again you have nothing but speculation based on your personal beliefs and only have opinions for facts.

[codeman]

I put him on ignore his ignorance and attitude were making mad that I had the feeling something worthy of banning was about to spew out of me.

The coward of the county's little bitch!

[defenseman]

We might be closer to impeachment than most of us thought. According to this report John Conyers (D-MI) is teetering. All he needs is a few thousand calls from angry Americans.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/24962

There is no shortage of capital crimes for which to nail Bush/Cheney. Heck, there's a laundry list so long it makes Clinton's blow job look innocent.

Help turn the tide. Call your congressman today and demand impeachment. Do it BEFORE the August recess. Make the phones ring off the hook. That's how to make the US government respond to the people.

Once impeachment starts it will be very difficult for Bush to start a new Mideast war.

Here is the Capitol switchboard number: 202 - 224 - 3121

Ain't happenin...dman

[defenseman]

Codeman -- is new to this board -- and has not seen my sharp criticisms of Clinton. I am an independent -- not a Democrap.

Clinton failed this nation and the world. He was granted the unique historical opportunity to lead by charting a new path after the Cold War ended -- and he flopped.

Bill turned out to be a weakling -- a coward. Totally without principles.

He failed to give firm direction to the US military. Bill should have informed the Pentagon that the resources then being squandered on missiles, aircraft carriers, and every weapon system under the sun now had to re reallocated to solve the pressing problems we face on this planet. And what were those problems?

At the top of the list:

1. The transition away from oil/coal to an abundant clean energy alternative -- Clinton should have given this new mission to Los Alamos, Sandia and the Lawrence Livermore Lab.

2. To lift the third world out of poverty -- which is the only humane way to solve the population crunch. When the status of women improves along with the standard of living couples have fewer children.

3. the protection of the global environment --

Clinton should have announced a new world agenda. The end of poverty and the protection of the global enviuronment was achievable. One of my former professors from Colorado State University, Dr Maurice Albertson -- who helped found the peace corps many years ago -- says we could lift the third world out of poverty for a mere $100 billion. We've already blown 5 times that much in Iraq!

You don't believe me? Check out Albertson's web site -- where he has documents for download laying out the blueprint: His village Earth concept and Operation Bootstrap:
http://www.villageearth.org/pages/About_Us/staff_volunteers.htm

Instead, Clinton caved in to the militarists at the Pentagon -- who want total domination of the planet. They wanted to weaponize space -- and Clinton allowed this research to go forward -- along with an accelerated nuclear weapons program.

Clinton prepared the way for Bush. He is just as guilty in my eyes. This is also why I oppose Hillary.


Agreed .....agreed.......and finally, lets fix our own country for once before we go off solving all the problems of the rest of the world. If the politicians, would quit playing 'politician', we could actually fix some things in our US of A...dman

[baja]

Is it too late?

[alkemical]

Those "decals" you are talking of are Medals. Many of the people that wear those Medals won them doing a job that many will not do (i.e. Bill Clinton). My medals are of little importance, but there are many of my brothers that have earned my respect due to their gallantry and dedication to the country. I don't think it's right for you, someone that has only looked at the military from the outside in. If you want to have some credibility, go join any one of the five armed services and take the oath that your dad and uncle did. Then I might have a little more respect of your opinion of what the military mindset might be.

I see, the people that shaped this country weren't good enough to do the job?

Presidents that served in the military during War Time:
* George Washington - Commander in Chief of Continental Army during the American Revolution.
* James Monroe - served in American Revolution
* Andrew Jackson - American Revolution, War of 1812, First Seminole War
* William Henry Harrison - Indian wars in the NW territory, War of 1812
* John Tyler - War of 1812
* Zachary Taylor - War of 1812, Black Hawk, Second Seminole, and Mexican wars
* Franklin Pierce - Mexican War
* James Buchanan - War of 1812
* Abraham Lincoln - Black Hawk War
* Andrew Johnson - Civil War
* Ulysses Grant - Mexican War, Civil War
* Rutherford Hayes - Civil War
* James Garfield - Civil War
* Chester Arthur - Civil War
* Benjamin Harrison - Civil War
* William McKinley - Civil War
* Theodore Roosevelt - Spanish-American War
* Harry Truman - WWI
* Dwight Eisenhower - WWII General
* John Kennedy - WWII
* Lyndon Johnson - WWII
* Richard Nixon - WWII
* Gerald Ford - WWII
* George Bush - WWII

Presidents in the Military but saw no action:
# James Madison
# James Polk
# Millard Fillmore
# Jimmy Carter
# Ronald Reagan - kept out of combat due to bad eyesight
# George W. Bush

Presidents with NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE:
* John Adams
* Thomas Jefferson
* John Quincy Adams
* Martin Van Buren
* Grover Cleveland
* William Taft
* Woodrow Wilson
* Warren Harding
* Calvin Coolidge
* Herbert Hoover
* Franklin Roosevelt
* Bill Clinton

Career Military
* George Washington
* Andrew Jackson
* William Henry Harrison
* Zachary Taylor
* Ulysses S. Grant
* Dwight Eisenhower

Your perception of the military is from the outside. You were a dependent and haven't a clue as to the mindset of the typical military man or woman. Your perception of the military is based on your family members that served, two people, now there is a quorum!



*snorts*

Yeah i'm SURE GWB did his time at the ANG....lol

[RkyMtnThunder]

Yeah, right.

When Clinton was un-leading this country I was in the military and couldn't say what I felt because he was the commander-in-chief. I've retired now and can speak my mind about his inaction and what damage he did to the country.

I don't know where you are coming from but I'd venture to say that you haven't served anything but breakfast at the Waffle House.


Similar to how current servicemen that have fufilled their obligations are now speaking out against Bush? Lawsuits over vets being denied some of the services promised, etc.

As a former serviceman yourself, why do you pimp a man who cut veterans benefits?

http://www.inthesetimes.com/comments.php?id=465_0_2_0_c

http://www.yesmagazine.org/article.asp?ID=613

http://www.texaskaos.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=308142D8892BCBAEB812985348 86F8D9?diaryId=2599

[Garcia Bronco]

I can't think of a better idea while congress should be focusing on the war than to try an impeach the President and the vice President.

[Traveler]

Those "decals" you are talking of are Medals. Many of the people that wear those Medals won them doing a job that many will not do (i.e. Bill Clinton & George W. Bush.)

Fixed it for you!

My medals are of little importance,

Then show us the real medals and ribbons, not the the cut and paste job.

Presidents in the Military but saw no action:
# James Madison
# James Polk
# Millard Fillmore
# Jimmy Carter
# Ronald Reagan - kept out of combat due to bad eyesight
# George W. Bush This hasn't been proved yet. They have classified his records. No way to determine if he ever fulfilled his obligation.

Presidents with NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE:
* John Adams
* Thomas Jefferson
* John Quincy Adams
* Martin Van Buren
* Grover Cleveland
* William Taft
* Woodrow Wilson
* Warren Harding
* Calvin Coolidge
* Herbert Hoover
* Franklin Roosevelt
* Bill Clinton
* George W. Bush

Fixed this too...

[baja]

Traveler - George W. Bush This hasn't been proved yet. They have classified his records. No way to determine if he ever fulfilled his obligation.

Is this true, tell me this is not true. How in the hell do they get away with this shiit? Where is the checks and balances. For what possible reason could a weekend warriors records be justifiably classified?

Ya know we are all just as guilty as Bush and his evil cronies for sitting back and letting all that he had done happen without so much as a peep until recently. What force caused the silence, especially in the media

[Traveler]

Is this true, tell me this is not true. How in the hell do they get away with this shiit? Where is the checks and balances. For what possible reason could a weekend warriors records be justifiably classified?

Ya know we are all just as guilty as Bush and his evil cronies for sitting back and letting all that he had done happen without so much as a peep until recently. What force caused the silence, especially in the media

This was brought out when Bush/Kerry were campaigning if I remember correctly. Bush had his records scrubbed by Gonzales when he was still Governor of Texas. The records have since been classified when Bush became President.

[baja]

Do you remember the reason given to classify Bush's records?

If anybodies service record should be public knowledge it would be that of your president. I would think that anyone worthy of ascending to the highest office in the land, one that includes being the commander - in - chief, would be able to proudly display his service record or experience the wrath of his constituency wanting to know why not.

[baja]

Hitler could not have happened in a vacuum, the German people let it happen. The same will be said about Americans some day if we do not take our country back.

[Garcia Bronco]

Hitler could not have happened in a vacuum, the German people let it happen. The same will be said about Americans some day if we do not take our country back.

Hitler also happened because the 14 points were not ratified in the Treaty of Versailles and the Wilhmer Republic was economically weak in tow. Three nations bascially killed the 14 points - Italy, France, and Britain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Points

The stress of it all basically made presidential great Woodrow Wilson an invalid.

the Hitler comparison are completely and utterly over the top.

[TailgateNut]

the Hitler comparison are completely and utterly over the top.


Why? He was also dictator who did not allow anyone to question his actions and motives.

[baja]

Hitler also happened because the 14 points were not ratified in the Treaty of Versailles and the Wilhmer Republic was economically weak in tow. Three nations bascially killed the 14 points - Italy, France, and Britain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Points

The stress of it all basically made presidential great Woodrow Wilson an invalid.

the Hitler comparison are completely and utterly over the top.

Actually Garcia I an comparing the apathy of the German people pre hitler to the current apathy of the American people and using Hitler's reign of terror to show what can happen when citizens shirk their duty of being vigilant of their government. The piece of paper will not by itself insure our continued freedoms.

[mhgaffney]

the Hitler comparison are completely and utterly over the top.

How is it over the top?

The Nazis staged their own 911 -- the Reichstag fire -- and then stampeded the German people by manipulating their fear.

Ditto America after 911.

Hitler never won more than 30-36 percent of the vote in an election. This is about the level of GW's support -- probably now around 30%.

In the neo cons have their way -- there will be no 2008 election. We will be under martial law instead.

A dictatorship. Then the neo cons will do as they please -- and **** the people. And **** the planet.

[mhgaffney]

If the neo cons...

[Garcia Bronco]

How is it over the top?

The Nazis staged their own 911 -- the Reichstag fire -- and then stampeded the German people by manipulating their fear.

Ditto America after 911.

Hitler never won more than 30-36 percent of the vote in an election. This is about the level of GW's support -- probably now around 30%.

In the neo cons have their way -- there will be no 2008 election. We will be under martial law instead.

A dictatorship. Then the neo cons will do as they please -- and **** the people. And **** the planet.

And all of those are ridiculous arguments. Our coutry did not stage 9/11 and I question the sanity of anyone that claims so.

[baja]

Garcia,

I don't know what to think about 9/11, what I do know is there are many unanswered questions and our current government is doing the least possible they can get away with to get all the facts. Like I said I do nor have answers but to me the whole thing causes me to be very suspicious.

Do you trust the Bush administration Garcia?

[Traveler]

Do you remember the reason given to classify Bush's records?

If any bodies service record should be public knowledge it would be that of your president. I would think that anyone worthy of ascending to the highest office in the land, one that includes being the commander-in-chief, would be able to proudly display his service record or experience the wrath of his constituency wanting to know why not.

Most servicemen and women ARE proud of their service record.

Not to start another debate about Bush's service record, but there seems to be some dispute as to Bush's claim that he fulfilled his obligation to the ANG.

Doesn't it seem odd the "War President/Commander Guy" won't release his service records?

[baja]

Of course they are, I know i am and this is all the more reason to call Bush on this bull shiit.

I know all the accusations but I did not know that his records had been classified, what a huge red flag.

Where is the outrage. If you were serving in Iraq would be good with your commander - in - chief getting his service record protected from review.

[W*GS]

Garcia,

I don't know what to think about 9/11, what I do know is there are many unanswered questions and our current government is doing the least possible they can get away with to get all the facts. Like I said I do nor have answers but to me the whole thing causes me to be very suspicious.

Do you trust the Bush administration Garcia?

What sort of questions do you have about 9/11?

[baja]

WAGS - Do a search in this forum.

[W*GS]

Don't tell me you take gaffney or freak6 seriously...

[Garcia Bronco]

Do you trust the Bush administration Garcia?


In some areas yes and others no. I do not trust their ability to sell anything to the public. They couldn't sell water to guy that was on fire. I do not trust their ability to conduct foreign relations. Having said that, I wouldn't care what administration was there, it's it not prudent to discuss relations with Syria, Iran, and so on. Make no mistake, those two countries are the reason we have not been able to stablize Iraq, and if I had my way we would have left Iraq and moved on to both those countries.

[defenseman]

How is it over the top?

The Nazis staged their own 911 -- the Reichstag fire -- and then stampeded the German people by manipulating their fear.

Ditto America after 911.

Hitler never won more than 30-36 percent of the vote in an election. This is about the level of GW's support -- probably now around 30%.

In the neo cons have their way -- there will be no 2008 election. We will be under martial law instead.

A dictatorship. Then the neo cons will do as they please -- and **** the people. And **** the planet.

You , quite simply appear deranged and void of reasonable thought. I'm sure the proper physician could prescribe the proper medication when the time comes. Sad , very very sad indeed....dman

[baja]

Don't tell me you take gaffney or freak6 seriously...

I was referring to a search of my posts but I do have a lot of the same questions they do. For example Building #7.

Watch this;

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501

[alkemical]

Oh god here we go again -


get ready for 40 pages of cut/pasted links to sources who discredit sources that discredit other sources that are written by maginalized people who want their reality to be the end all be all.

No objective investigation will happen, too many people have too much to lose.

[W*GS]

I was referring to a search of my posts but I do have a lot of the same questions they do. For example Building #7.

"Loose Change" has no credibility.

What about WTC7 is suspicious?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

In some areas yes and others no. I do not trust their ability to sell anything to the public. They couldn't sell water to guy that was on fire. I do not trust their ability to conduct foreign relations. Having said that, I wouldn't care what administration was there, it's it not prudent to discuss relations with Syria, Iran, and so on. Make no mistake, those two countries are the reason we have not been able to stablize Iraq, and if I had my way we would have left Iraq and moved on to both those countries.

Geeeezus. Any other countries on your list that we need to attack?

[baja]

"Loose Change" has no credibility.

What about WTC7 is suspicious?

WAGS you are going to have to find someone else to have your circular arguments with.

[gunns]

Actually Garcia I an comparing the apathy of the German people pre hitler to the current apathy of the American people and using Hitler's reign of terror to show what can happen when citizens shirk their duty of being vigilant of their government. The piece of paper will not by itself insure our continued freedoms.

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

[TailgateNut]

WAGS you are going to have to find someone else to have your circular arguments with.


Hilarious! REP!

[TailgateNut]

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials


Different languages, but same mentality. A great find which acurately illustrates the scary similarities.

[Garcia Bronco]

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

Goering was a coward.

[baja]

Goering was a coward.

Nice rebuttal Mr. over the top.

[Garcia Bronco]

Nice rebuttal Mr. over the top.

Anyone of those "men" were cowards, and Goering killed millions. Great guy to quote.

[baja]

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

Read it again Garcia and try to figure out what would inspire her to quote such a hideous man.

[MOCRUSH]

Codeman and defenseman, why waste your breath with the pinkos on parade here? They are not capable of getting it and have sacrificed zilch toward the common good. "Oh yeah, my daddy, uncle, brother served..." don't cut it after age 17. Sell that to Code Pink, Mayonaise. If they had an ounce of testicular fortitude and really believed all the bilge they spout they would have taken affirmative action long ago. They lack capacity, commitment and the armory for the task. I too served while Clinton was CINC and had to bite my tongue. Now that I have retired after 22 years, consider this my release of pent up bile. Anybody who don't like it, name your time, place, weapon and how many paces. Honor, Courage and Commitment.

[Bronco Bob]

Anyone of those "men" were cowards, and Goering killed millions. Great guy to quote.

Not sure what courage or cowardness has to do with anything.
Hitler was a certified war hero, wounded in action, won the Iron Cross.
Hitler was also a certified loon. Does what Hitler had to say carry
more weight because he was a war hero?

You are missing the point about quoting Goering. Quoting Goering shows
how evil men manipulate the public. If you don't understand how evil
men think, you are doomed to become their victim.

[Garcia Bronco]

Read it again Garcia and try to figure out what would inspire her to quote such a hideous man.

I did read it the first time...and the criminal deserves no such forum. The quote in itself refers to Nazi Germany which is the scope of Goering experience.

[Bronco Bob]

Codeman and defenseman, why waste your breath with the pinkos on parade here? They are not capable of getting it and have sacrificed zilch toward the common good. "Oh yeah, my daddy, uncle, brother served..." don't cut it after age 17. Sell that to Code Pink, Mayonaise. If they had an ounce of testicular fortitude and really believed all the bilge they spout they would have taken affirmative action long ago. They lack capacity, commitment and the armory for the task. I too served while Clinton was CINC and had to bite my tongue. Now that I have retired after 22 years, consider this my release of pent up bile. Anybody who don't like it, name your time, place, weapon and how many paces. Honor, Courage and Commitment.

Another right wing nut noobie weighs in. This has got to be the same
guy as patteeu and codeman, just using another alias, and in your honor, PLONK!

[Garcia Bronco]

Not sure what courage or cowardness has to do with anything.
Hitler was a certified war hero, wounded in action, won the Iron Cross.
Hitler was also a certified loon. Does what Hitler had to say carry
more weight because he was a war hero?

You are missing the point about quoting Goering. Quoting Goering shows
how evil men manipulate the public. If you don't understand how evil
men think, you are doomed to become their victim.

I didn't miss the point at all. But like I said..his frame of reference is Nazi Germany. This has never been nor is it Nazi Germany. George Bush is not Hitler despite how much some of you want it to be so.

[Bronco Bob]

I didn't miss the point at all. But like I said..his frame of reference is Nazi Germany. This has never been nor is it Nazi Germany. George Bush is not Hitler despite how much some of you want it to be so.


And yet isn't Cheney and his minions such as Bush doing the exact same thing? Telling us we are being attacked, and denouncing the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger. Look at what
DOD Undersecretary Eric S. Edelman accused Clinton of when she simply
asked to see the Iraq exit strategy.

[Garcia Bronco]

And yet isn't Cheney and his minions such as Bush doing the exact same thing? Telling us we are being attacked, and denouncing the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger. Look at what
DOD Undersecretary Eric S. Edelman accused Clinton of when she simply
asked to see the Iraq exit strategy.

I don't know about that situation, but sometimes it's true. And agents within our country can do damage to our efforts as a country. While what Goering said can be true...he's referencing exactly what they did in GERMANY...which is not the United States.

[baja]

I didn't miss the point at all. But like I said..his frame of reference is Nazi Germany. This has never been nor is it Nazi Germany. George Bush is not Hitler despite how much some of you want it to be so.

Dude it's about apathetic citizens losing their country and personal freedoms to men that would have them because said citizens were not villegent. The setting could be Disneyland would that make you feel better?

[mhgaffney]

I didn't miss the point at all. But like I said..his frame of reference is Nazi Germany. This has never been nor is it Nazi Germany. George Bush is not Hitler despite how much some of you want it to be so.

No one said this is Nazi Germany. And no one said Bush = Hitler.

But it is a fact that in 1933 a group of wealthy Bankers and industrialists in America attempted to stage a fascist coup to overthrow FDR. And guess what?

GW Bush's grand daddy, Prescott Bush, was involved in it. Prescott Bush provided financial support for this coup attempt. It failed -- thank God -- and later -- during WW II - the US government forcibly siezed Prescott Bush's financial holdings. Why?

He continued doing business with Hitler.

There are many things about the Bush family tree -- that make the flesh crawl.

Check out this BBC report about the 1933 fascist coup attempt here in the good ol USA.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18074.htm

[Garcia Bronco]

Dude it's about apathetic citizens losing their country and personal freedoms to men that would have them because said citizens were not villegent. The setting could be Disneyland would that make you feel better?

No, it's about the wishes of a collection of madmen and their efforts to break the people of Germany. Further more, giving a Nazi a forum and spouting his garbage is a low point. I don't care what he said.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

No, it's about the wishes of a collection of madmen and their efforts to break the people of Germany. Further more, giving a Nazi a forum and spouting his garbage is a low point. I don't care what he said.Exactly the point!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Codeman and defenseman, why waste your breath with the pinkos on parade here? They are not capable of getting it and have sacrificed zilch toward the common good. "Oh yeah, my daddy, uncle, brother served..." don't cut it after age 17. Sell that to Code Pink, Mayonaise. If they had an ounce of testicular fortitude and really believed all the bilge they spout they would have taken affirmative action long ago. They lack capacity, commitment and the armory for the task. I too served while Clinton was CINC and had to bite my tongue. Now that I have retired after 22 years, consider this my release of pent up bile. Anybody who don't like it, name your time, place, weapon and how many paces. Honor, Courage and Commitment.Are all Navy personnel this ignorant and intelligence starved in this day in age?

[TailgateNut]

Codeman and defenseman, why waste your breath with the pinkos on parade here? They are not capable of getting it and have sacrificed zilch toward the common good. "Oh yeah, my daddy, uncle, brother served..." don't cut it after age 17. Sell that to Code Pink, Mayonaise. If they had an ounce of testicular fortitude and really believed all the bilge they spout they would have taken affirmative action long ago. They lack capacity, commitment and the armory for the task. I too served while Clinton was CINC and had to bite my tongue. Now that I have retired after 22 years, consider this my release of pent up bile. Anybody who don't like it, name your time, place, weapon and how many paces. Honor, Courage and Commitment.

4321~

Just more stench from the sheep!

[TailgateNut]

Are all Navy personnel this ignorant and intelligence starved in this day in age?

Not all, but obviously quite a few!

[MOCRUSH]

No takers. I thought not. OK ladies, return to your self-licking ice cream cones and tin foil hats. Out.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

No takers. I thought not. OK ladies, return to your self-licking ice cream cones and tin foil hats. Out.No takers for what?

[alkemical]

No takers. I thought not. OK ladies, return to your self-licking ice cream cones and tin foil hats. Out.


So which bridge do you live under?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

No takers for what?
Oh, I get it now, you're wanting to get down with anyone who isn't a Bushbot, Neoconing hero.

Well come on down! I'll be at the Bad Dog Saloon, 17 S. Vandeventer Ave. St. Louis all this week and weekend. Just ask for Reggie and will get down real personal like!

Here's a map for you...


http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/37/clipboard01dy8.jpg

[TailgateNut]

No takers. I thought not. OK ladies, return to your self-licking ice cream cones and tin foil hats. Out.

I get it. ...another internet tough guy....err semen!

[gunns]

Goering was a coward.

So I guess you're saying Bush is a coward as he seems to have the same philosophy. That's what the quote was all about. :unamused:

[gunns]

Codeman and defenseman, why waste your breath with the pinkos on parade here? They are not capable of getting it and have sacrificed zilch toward the common good. "Oh yeah, my daddy, uncle, brother served..." don't cut it after age 17. Sell that to Code Pink, Mayonaise. If they had an ounce of testicular fortitude and really believed all the bilge they spout they would have taken affirmative action long ago. They lack capacity, commitment and the armory for the task. I too served while Clinton was CINC and had to bite my tongue. Now that I have retired after 22 years, consider this my release of pent up bile. Anybody who don't like it, name your time, place, weapon and how many paces. Honor, Courage and Commitment.

This must be one of those rare examples that the military doesn't always take the best and brightest. What a man! Hilarious!

[Bronco Bob]

Are all Navy personnel this ignorant and intelligence starved in this day in age?

It's my theory they are all the same person using several aliases.
You can't have this many people out there that stupid and ignorant
and spouting the same worn out cliches.

[alkemical]

It's my theory they are all the same person using several aliases.
You can't have this many people out there that stupid and ignorant
and spouting the same worn out cliches.

No - dman doesn't have that time, nor would Dman do that. I can vouch for that.

[gunns]

I didn't miss the point at all. But like I said..his frame of reference is Nazi Germany. This has never been nor is it Nazi Germany. George Bush is not Hitler despite how much some of you want it to be so.

I think it goes to show how similar in their methods they were. You can in no way say that Bush has not used fear to implement whatever he has wanted, often times seemingly illegal processes. This quote was obtained by Gustave Gilbert, an intelligence officer and psychologist from Goering:

Gilbert recorded Goering's observations that the common people can always be manipulated into supporting and fighting wars by their political leaders:


We got around to the subject of war again and I said that, contrary to his attitude, I did not think that the common people are very thankful for leaders who bring them war and destruction.
"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

[Bronco Bob]

No - dman doesn't have that time, nor would Dman do that. I can vouch for that.

Yeah, I suspect dman is a different person. But I still think codeman,
patteu, and this new guy are the same person. Notice he didn't seem
to pop up until people started putting codeman on ignore.

[alkemical]

Yeah, I suspect dman is a different person. But I still think codeman,
patteu, and this new guy are the same person. Notice he didn't seem
to pop up until people started putting codeman on ignore.

He'd have to use a different IP from my takes of how the OM works then.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

He'd have to use a different IP from my takes of how the OM works then.Nah, you could clear your cookies and create a new account.

[Garcia Bronco]

So I guess you're saying Bush is a coward as he seems to have the same philosophy. That's what the quote was all about. :unamused:

Bush is a coward, but for several different reasons.

[Spider]

Codeman and defenseman, why waste your breath with the pinkos on parade here? They are not capable of getting it and have sacrificed zilch toward the common good. "Oh yeah, my daddy, uncle, brother served..." don't cut it after age 17. Sell that to Code Pink, Mayonaise. If they had an ounce of testicular fortitude and really believed all the bilge they spout they would have taken affirmative action long ago. They lack capacity, commitment and the armory for the task. I too served while Clinton was CINC and had to bite my tongue. Now that I have retired after 22 years, consider this my release of pent up bile. Anybody who don't like it, name your time, place, weapon and how many paces. Honor, Courage and Commitment.

LOL DIDNT SEE THIS POST.........want some come get some ..... I am a over the Road trucker ........Kick your ass so far up to your shoulders you have to undo your shirt to **** ........

[TailgateNut]

LOL DIDNT SEE THIS POST.........want some come get some ..... I am a over the Road trucker ........Kick your ass so far up to your shoulders you have to undo your shirt to **** ........



another Spider classic!;D

He's a squid. He'll poop in his "dress whites"!

[Spider]

My cousin was a squid , she like it a lot .......Something about the boat carrying the gun instead of her .......

[Spider]

another Spider classic!;D

He's a squid. He'll poop in his "dress whites"!
;D my dad used to tell me that all the time ........ but I earned more ass beatings then he gave out , thats for sure ;D