Is It Possible We Have Another Duke Rape Scandal All Over Again With Vick?

[RhymesayersDU]

I don't want to seem like I'm defending Vick. I realize that a Federal Indictment is way more serious and credible than some ****head local DA trying to further his own political career.

But with that said, it was just what, a year ago that the whole world wanted to throw the proverbial book at the Duke Lacrosse team? They were branded rapists immediately.

I'm not defending Vick. I've got dogs, and I love them dearly. All of the alleged things are horrendous, horrible, cruel, etc. I just see everybody instantly jumping on Vick, just like they jumped on the Duke boys. Isn't it even in the realm of possibility that this guy might be innocent?

[ZachKC]

Thats a really cool picture in your sig. I must say.

[maher_tyler]

I don't want to seem like I'm defending Vick. I realize that a Federal Indictment is way more serious and credible than some ****head local DA trying to further his own political career.

But with that said, it was just what, a year ago that the whole world wanted to throw the proverbial book at the Duke Lacrosse team? They were branded rapists immediately.

I'm not defending Vick. I've got dogs, and I love them dearly. All of the alleged things are horrendous, horrible, cruel, etc. I just see everybody instantly jumping on Vick, just like they jumped on the Duke boys. Isn't it even in the realm of possibility that this guy might be innocent?

You never know, somehow i doubt it though!!

[Broncojef]

I don't want to seem like I'm defending Vick. I realize that a Federal Indictment is way more serious and credible than some ****head local DA trying to further his own political career.

But with that said, it was just what, a year ago that the whole world wanted to throw the proverbial book at the Duke Lacrosse team? They were branded rapists immediately.

I'm not defending Vick. I've got dogs, and I love them dearly. All of the alleged things are horrendous, horrible, cruel, etc. I just see everybody instantly jumping on Vick, just like they jumped on the Duke boys. Isn't it even in the realm of possibility that this guy might be innocent?

This isn't some podunk state prosecuter with an axe to grind turning a blind eye to reality. Its the Feds. I read somewhere they have like a 90%+ prosecution rate as they only take solid cases with real evidence to support their allegations. Nope I think this is the real deal and they have some solid evidence against Vick. They dug around the house for weeks and must have compiled some serious evidence.

[TheDave]

I highly doubt it...

[TomServo]

Dream on..... the Duke case was a pathethic local idiot trying to save his pension......federal prosecutors wont try to bring a case against a nttional "hero"unless they have the goods

[youcandoit1687]

a lot more time spent collecting evidence and America forming judgements. This has been rumored for about the last three months and I'd say that America hasn't pounced until the indictment. We wanted to believe he was just associated with bad people but the indictment brought a lot of reality to the situation.

[cutthemdown]

I din't think so and I will tell you why. In a rape case you have a he said/she said type scenerio. Kobe Bryant, Duke Lacross, Mike Tyson.

In the Vick case there is more then one witness, and a lot of curcumstantial evidence to boot. There is also loads of physcial evidence. I frankly don't see one similarity.

[MOCRUSH]

RhymesayersDU, what sort of odds/stakes do you have in mind for a friendly wager on your theory? I might be interested in some of that action.

[Rugby7]

No it is not possible.


FACT - Pitbulls bread, tortured, an executed on property owned by Vick.

The only question is his level of involvement.

[theAPAOps5]

There is a difference in the fact that there are multiple entities that obviously placed Vick at the scene and stated the fact that he partook in the acts he is indicted on. The Feds had a ton of dirt on him in that indictement. Being such a high profile case I am sure they looked at the Duke mess and said lets not get into that.

[That One Guy]

And PFT made a good point, the Duke lacrosse players were screaming their innocence the whole way. Vick has yet to deny anything and his only comment was the "I don't go there" bit when it first broke.

[elsid13]

And PFT made a good point, the Duke lacrosse players were screaming their innocence the whole way. Vick has yet to deny anything and his only comment was the "I don't go there" bit when it first broke.

To be fair Vick's lawyers are at this point telling him to be quite no matter if he is innocent or not.

Back to the original question, I believe the answer is no. The Feds and the state folks have spent months collecting evidence and haven't been holding press conference telling that public they got thier man.

[Northman]

Highly doubt it.

[Spider]

Free vick ......free vick

[elsid13]

Free vick ......free vick

Freaking liberal tree hugger ;D

[Spider]

Freaking liberal tree hugger ;D

LOL ....not the response we was looking for here ..........

[Paladin]

Answer to the OP: No freaking way!

The sucker is guilty. Are there a lot of Federal Grand Jury charges that don't result in a conviction? My guess is that Vick will rat out his buddys and try to save his skin (or his lawyers will try) and thereby keep the day job. Goodell will have to deal with the issue, and I think Vick is gonna get a year's suspension. If Pacman is a scumbag, Vick is a douche bag carrying a load of Herpes' viruses.....

Ron Mexico is about to be smacked........

[CBF1]

Free vick ......free vick

Falcons fan LOL

[GonzoLays]

It's definitely a black and white issue. What more needs to be said?

If Carson Palmer's cousin was accused of fighting dogs on a Palmer's property would there be this kind of uproar? Would it even be a story?

[GonzoLays]

Here is a great example:

Barry Bonds -- accused of steriod use in a sport full of steriod abusers. Hated
Lance Armstrong -- accused of steriod use in a sport full of steriod abusers. Beloved

You decide.

[Spider]

Here is a great example:

Barry Bonds -- accused of steriod use in a sport full of steriod abusers. Hated
Lance Armstrong -- accused of steriod use in a sport full of steriod abusers. Beloved

You decide.

who is lance Armstrong ?

[RhymesayersDU]

Here is a great example:

Barry Bonds -- accused of steriod use in a sport full of steriod abusers. Hated
Lance Armstrong -- accused of steriod use in a sport full of steriod abusers. Beloved

You decide.

Gonzo. Let me ask you this though: If the situation was flipped, with some Frenchies accusing Bonds, would Americans really take it seriously? And also, Mark McGwire is pretty universally hated as a steroid user, especially considering his "testimony" on capitol hill.

[GonzoLays]

Gonzo. Let me ask you this though: If the situation was flipped, with some Frenchies accusing Bonds, would Americans really take it seriously? And also, Mark McGwire is pretty universally hated as a steroid user, especially considering his "testimony" on capitol hill.

Frenchies have nothing to do with it. Lance Armstrong competes in a sport where a majority of the biggest events are held overseas. It's not like he is competing in Cleveland, San Antonio and San Francisco every other weekend.

Lance is a steroid abuser, period. There is even video tape of his assistants driving miles from the villa Lance was staying in to dispose of his steroid needles. But none of that matters, he is an AMERICAN HERO!

[Rock Chalk]

Race has nothing to do with this you race baiting ****.

[elsid13]

It's definitely a black and white issue. What more needs to be said?

If Carson Palmer's cousin was accused of fighting dogs on a Palmer's property would there be this kind of uproar? Would it even be a story?

Race has nothing to do with it! It because American love thier pets, and the behavior sicken them to thier core. The mainstream culture see the acts and is disgusted.

[GonzoLays]

And you know better than anyone, Rhymes. Remember when the Nuggs got in a fight with the Knicks? Remember how the athletes were vilified for being thugs? NBA players get in ONE FREAKING FIGHT and its national news.

But Hockey players beating the **** out of each other every single night? Oh, that's no big deal.

But Baseball players beating the **** out of each other every other week? Oh, that's no big deal.

It just so happens that baseball and hockey feature a majority of white players while basketball has a majority of black players. But that doesn't have anything to do with it? NAAAAA. What am I thinking.

[RhymesayersDU]

And you know better than anyone, Rhymes. Remember when the Nuggs got in a fight with the Knicks? Remember how the athletes were vilified for being thugs? NBA players get in ONE FREAKING FIGHT and its national news.

But Hockey players beating the **** out of each other every single night? Oh, that's no big deal.

But Baseball players beating the **** out of each other every other week? Oh, that's no big deal.

It just so happens that baseball and hockey feature a majority of white players while basketball has a majority of black players. But that doesn't have anything to do with it? NAAAAA. What am I thinking.

Gonzo, you're preaching to the choir on the NBA thing. I know what you mean. And I've been fighting against it every time it comes up.

But in this particular case, I don't think it's a race issue. I think it's a dog issue. White, black, blue, polka dots. People love their pets and hate people who abuse them. IMO, it could be Carson Palmer and the outrage would still be there. Maybe I'm naive. But I believe it.

And as for your Bonds vs. Lance deal, I don't think anybody really cares about cycling. As I said, McGwire is pretty hated too, he's just not playing anymore.

[GonzoLays]

Race has nothing to do with this you race baiting ****.


sup, crackhead. You doing okay?

Why is it that the most sensitive, frail poster on this board thinks he some sort of tough guy? You ain't ****, Alec. Seriously. You're just sensitive.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I don't want to seem like I'm defending Vick. I realize that a Federal Indictment is way more serious and credible than some ****head local DA trying to further his own political career.

But with that said, it was just what, a year ago that the whole world wanted to throw the proverbial book at the Duke Lacrosse team? They were branded rapists immediately.

I'm not defending Vick. I've got dogs, and I love them dearly. All of the alleged things are horrendous, horrible, cruel, etc. I just see everybody instantly jumping on Vick, just like they jumped on the Duke boys. Isn't it even in the realm of possibility that this guy might be innocent?

The guy had a veritable dog fighting wonderland in his backyard and had one of his cousins there to take the heat for him.

I guess its never too early to play the race card though.

[GonzoLays]

Gonzo, you're preaching to the choir on the NBA thing. I know what you mean. And I've been fighting against it every time it comes up.

But in this particular case, I don't think it's a race issue. I think it's a dog issue. White, black, blue, polka dots. People love their pets and hate people who abuse them. IMO, it could be Carson Palmer and the outrage would still be there. Maybe I'm naive. But I believe it.

And as for your Bonds vs. Lance deal, I don't think anybody really cares about cycling. As I said, McGwire is pretty hated too, he's just not playing anymore.

Was McGwire hated when he played? Of course not. And how do we know McGuire is hated now, really? He doesn't make any public appearances. The last time he stepped foot in a stadium after his retirement, he was given a standing ovation.

[cutthemdown]

It's definitely a black and white issue. What more needs to be said?

If Carson Palmer's cousin was accused of fighting dogs on a Palmer's property would there be this kind of uproar? Would it even be a story?

So then in your mind we should not prosecute Vick because he is black?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Was McGwire hated when he played? Of course not. And how do we know McGuire is hated now, really? He doesn't make any public appearances. The last time he stepped foot in a stadium after his retirement, he was given a standing ovation.


McGwire was my favorite player. All he's good for now in regards to baseball history is being a chapter in the demise of baseball. Barry Bonds is no different.

[RhymesayersDU]

Was McGwire hated when he played? Of course not. And how do we know McGuire is hated now, really? He doesn't make any public appearances. The last time he stepped foot in a stadium after his retirement, he was given a standing ovation.

When he was playing, we didn't know then what we know now. And come on Gonzo, he's basically a joke now.

[epicSocialism4tw]

When he was playing, we didn't know then what we know now. And come on Gonzo, he's basically a joke now.

Sammy Sosa has to be mentioned right next to McGwire, and they are both commonly dismissed by sports fans. You have to stretch pretty far to rationalize them into legitimacy. You have to stretch just as far to rationalize the legitimacy of Bonds.

[GonzoLays]

When he was playing, we didn't know then what we know now. And come on Gonzo, he's basically a joke now.

What didn't we know now what we didn't know then?

America knew McGwire was on something just like they think Bonds is on something but the difference is that they dediced not to make McGwire a newstory. That's it. No one put the hounds on McGwire, they let him bask in his glory.

[GonzoLays]

So then in your mind we should not prosecute Vick because he is black?

Where did you get that from?

[epicSocialism4tw]

What didn't we know now what we didn't know then?
America knew McGwire was on something just like they think Bonds is on something but the difference is that they dediced not to make McGwire a newstory. That's it. No one put the hounds on McGwire, they let him bask in his glory.


People who view events through racist eyes will always view them in racist terms.

[GonzoLays]

People who view events through racist eyes will always view them in racist terms.

That damn Martin Luther King JR was a RACIST!! Thanks for clearing that up.

[cutthemdown]

Where did you get that from?

You seem to say that. If in your opinion the only reason he is being prosecuted is because he's black, then it stands to reason you feel he shouldn't be prosecuted. Since it was the color of his skin that led you to feel that way it makes since to assume you don't think he should be prosecuted. Since color is the only thing you are discussing then it stands to reason that's what you are using to make your decision.

[GonzoLays]

You seem to say that. If in your opinion the only reason he is being prosecuted is because he's black, then it stands to reason you feel he shouldn't be prosecuted. Since it was the color of his skin that led you to feel that way it makes since to assume you don't think he should be prosecuted. Since color is the only thing you are discussing then it stands to reason that's what you are using to make your decision.

Hahaha, I didn't seem to say any of that. Your deductive reasoning skills really failed you in your attempt to misconstrue my comments.

Read my posts again and get back to me.

[epicSocialism4tw]

That damn Martin Luther King JR was a RACIST!! Thanks for clearing that up.

Dr. MLK Jr agreed with me.

[GonzoLays]

Dr. MLK Jr agreed with me.

What, did you have a séance with him? Talk to the dead a lot, llama?

[TexanBob]

The one thing about the Duke case was that, as soon as it became a big story, the LOCAL media began casting doubt on the "victim" and her story. The NATIONAL media, however, ignored it and went off on their moral high horse because it fit all of liberal journalism's stereotypes (rich white Southern boys raping poor black girl), ignoring the accuser's history of stripping/prostitution/prior convictions.

In the Vick case, I've not heard anyone cast doubt on the story line - only how severe the crime and punishment are.

[TexanBob]

People who view events through racist eyes will always view them in racist terms.

Racism, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. And to Jesse Jackson, it's a beautiful world everywhere he looks.

[Spider]

Just so I understand ........ Vick is being investigated not for dog fighting , but being black and dog fighting ?
is dog fighting a white mans sport and vick cross some kind of line ?
or is it Dog fighting is very cruel , not even a sport , outlawed , and Vick who happenes to be black got caught ?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Racism, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. And to Jesse Jackson, it's a beautiful world everywhere he looks.

:spit:

To Jesse Jackson, beauty = money.

[TheDave]

Just so I understand ........ Vick is being investigated not for dog fighting , but being black and dog fighting ?
is dog fighting a white mans sport and vick cross some kind of line ?
or is it Dog fighting is very cruel , not even a sport , outlawed , and Vick who happenes to be black got caught ?

Actually I think Gonzo is upset that this investigation was kicked off when one of the Tan/white dogs was killed and not earlier when predominately blacks dogs were being mistreated...

[Spider]

Actually I think Gonzo is upset that this investigation was kicked off when one of the Tan/white dogs was killed and not earlier when predominately blacks dogs were being mistreated...

well if that is the case .......... Clearly we are a bunch of racist bastards no doubt ;D

[GonzoLays]

Just so I understand ........ Vick is being investigated not for dog fighting , but being black and dog fighting ?



That's hooey. Where did you get that from?

[Spider]

That's hooey. Where did you get that from?

well race was brought into this , wasnt sure why

[elsid13]

well race was brought into this , wasnt sure why

Most likely Bonzo thought he could get some attention if brought race into play.

[GonzoLays]

well race was brought into this , wasnt sure why

Whatever the case, no one in this thread ever said anything about Vick shouldn't be prosecuted because he is black.

You made that step, spide.

[cutthemdown]

Gonzo you said if Palmer had done it no one would care. That implies you think this is happening to Vick because he is black. If he is being prosecuted because he is black it stands to reason that you think he shouldn't be. Or do you just want Palmer prosecuted also? :))

[GonzoLays]

Gonzo you said if Palmer had done it no one would care.

Nope, never said that.

If he is being prosecuted because he is black it stands to reason that you think he shouldn't be.

:spit: Where are you getting this from?

[Broncojef]

Probably cause the guy is total filth and you choose to make racial statements saying this wouldn't happen to Carson Palmer. you know when the gals were called Ho's by a shock jock Oprah had to have them on the show to defend them and jesse and Rev Al went nuts. The Duke kids got villified for something they didn't do and no Oprah show or apologies from Al or jesse. There is a double standard that people like you tend to support Gonzo and its sick standing up for these slime balls. McGwire and sammy were nice guys that cheated and as such they won't be in the HOF, I think if they were treated differently its cause they were generally nice guys. Bonds is an ass that everyone hates because thats his personality and hopefully will suffer the same fate as McGwire and Sammy as in never belonging in the HOF, but I'm sure Al and Jesse will plead to get him in and it will happen (double standard rule). I'm all for innocent until proven guilty but if the Feds have stuff on Vick I hope he is thrown in jail, whether he's green, red, black or white. This isn't a race thing its a crime thing.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I think a mod ought to change his (Gonzo's) handle to MasterBaiter.

[GonzoLays]

Probably cause the guy is total filth and you choose to make racial statements saying this wouldn't happen to Carson Palmer. you know when the gals were called Ho's by a shock jock Oprah had to have them on the show to defend them and jesse and Rev Al went nuts. The Duke kids got villified for something they didn't do and no Oprah show or apologies from Al or jesse.

umm, you sound bitter, dude. Are you okay?

[TexanBob]

I think a mod ought to change his (Gonzo's) handle to MasterBaiter.

That could get sticky...

[Rock Chalk]

bwahaha TexanBob

[sirhcyennek81]

Is this like the duke Lacrosse case? Lets review:

1. No strippers
2. No presence of 3 white college kids
3. No mike nifong
4. I dont see jesse jackson or sharpton rushing in to defame the white players who dont exist.
5. No local elections, so no ability to sway voters
6. no geraldo trying to enflame racial tensions in NC
7. No stripper changing her story from minute to minute
8. No federal inquiry in the Duke case.

The only connection is it involves atheletes. If mike vick was involved with dog fighting, then his complicity needs to be discovered and his guilt weighed in front of a jury. If he is innocent, that will be made quite clear. Either way, Mike Vick ****ed up here, and he needs to review what the **** he is doing, and cut the fat from around him or they will drag him down.

:Broncos:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Is this like the duke Lacrosse case? Lets review:

1. No strippers
2. No presence of 3 white college kids
3. No mike nifong
4. I dont see jesse jackson or sharpton rushing in to defame the white players who dont exist.
5. No local elections, so no ability to sway voters
6. no geraldo trying to enflame racial tensions in NC
7. No stripper changing her story from minute to minute
8. No federal inquiry in the Duke case.

The only connection is it involves atheletes. If mike vick was involved with dog fighting, then his complicity needs to be discovered and his guilt weighed in front of a jury. If he is innocent, that will be made quite clear. Either way, Mike Vick ****ed up here, and he needs to review what the **** he is doing, and cut the fat from around him or they will drag him down.

:Broncos:Sharpton rushed in on this one too.

[sirhcyennek81]

Sharpton rushed in on this one too.


He signed his name to a letter written by PETA. He didnt fly down to counsel the dog's family, did he?


:Broncos:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

He signed his name to a letter written by PETA. He didnt fly down to counsel the dog's family, did he?
:Broncos:What dog's family or was that some kind of lame attempt at humor?
This morning, all of Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick's corporate sponsors, Falcons CEO Arthur Blank, and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell received a joint letter from hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons, civil rights leader The Rev. Al Sharpton, and PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk roundly condemning dogfighting and other forms of violence.

The Simmons, Sharpton, and PETA letters (http://www.peta.org/MC/NewsItem.asp?id=10032) went to all of Vick's corporate sponsors, including Nike, Rawlings, and Hasbro.

"Anyone capable of forcing dogs to fight to the death should be kept away from all vulnerable forms of life, particularly children and animals," says Newkirk. "Dogfighting is an illegal act that deserves harsh punishment, no matter how famous the alleged perpetrators are."

[TDmvp]

heres the biggest 2 things to me ... A . unlike many of the other cases like this where there is a rush to throw book at someone "like duke" we say they did it then duke tries to save face and be proactive and they rush , all before we have anything solid ... a state case where a D.A. is trien to make a name for himself ... in this case with Vick we have heard things in the wind for months "not outa the blue" ... we have watched truck loads of stuff be taken from the house to be used in the case . where in duke we all knew those guys did it before we even knew the rape kit report..
The feds dont move unless they think they can win... they have nothing to gain like a state D.A.

B .... the cousin ... the cousin vick says the house is for is not one of the 4 indicted so that = hes one of the 3 whos working for the feds and if thats so it could be game over...

[cutthemdown]

If Vick's cohorts have evidence such as pictures or video then Vick would be totally SOL. If it's the cohorts word vs Vicks word then you could argue these guys are lying to save their own skin, and the feds are letting them because Vick is a big fish. If the only evidence against Vick ends up being only words out of the mouth of some turncoat then I would have to say Vick is being screwed. I want to see some real evidence that Vick was at those fights, knew about the fights, made money off the fights, etc etc. I want more then some dude saying those things are true. I want pictures or multipile people that put Vick at the scene etc. The Feds don't let out what evidence they have very easily we will just have to wait and see what happens.

[rubaiyat]

The one thing about the Duke case was that, as soon as it became a big story, the LOCAL media began casting doubt on the "victim" and her story. The NATIONAL media, however, ignored it and went off on their moral high horse because it fit all of liberal journalism's stereotypes (rich white Southern boys raping poor black girl), ignoring the accuser's history of stripping/prostitution/prior convictions.

In the Vick case, I've not heard anyone cast doubt on the story line - only how severe the crime and punishment are.

Please, did Fox News then not run anything on the story?

[TexanBob]

It's Vick's property. All they have to do is prove he was aware a crime was being committed on his property and they have him. How much they have him is another issue altogether.

[TexanBob]

Please, did Fox News then not run anything on the story?

Of course they did. But Fox News has no shortage of liberals. Or does the name Geraldo Rivera not ring a bell? The B.S. that Fox News is a "conservative" network is more liberal dogma. The only reason Fox News seems conservative is that the others are so biased towards liberalism and the Democrat Party that they only seem conservative by comparison. They don't tea-bag every leftie that comes on like CNN does and, to the Left, that's akin to a hate crime.

Doesn't it say something when Democrat presidential candidates won't debate on the Fox News Channel (even as the event is sponsored by a black group) but they will debate on the gay-themed Logo Network in front a significantly smaller audience? What are the Democrats afraid of? That they might get a hard question? Hilarious!

[Taco John]

How did I know that Gonzo would turn the Michael Vick situation into a racial issue. Ever think that people aren't disgusted with Mike Vick because he's black, but instead because he slaughters dogs for a hobby?

[TomServo]

OK race "above all Gonzo" why does america love hank arron?
i havent heard anyone complain about ol henry i wonder why that is?
maybe because hank arron is a good guy and barry bonds is a SCUMBAG?

[TomServo]

and.......anyone that compares the duke case to the vick case is retarded

[TomServo]

90
% and up the feds. so vick has a less than 5% chance

[Northman]

It's Vick's property. All they have to do is prove he was aware a crime was being committed on his property and they have him. How much they have him is another issue altogether.

I agree. Even if Vick gets screwed here it will because he allowed it to happen. He financially set it up by giving his cousin this house or whatever. And as i stated before, you dont give someone a lot of money and NOT know where that money is going. But, it sounds like he was more involved than it seems but we shall see how it plays out.

[sirhcyennek81]

What dog's family or was that some kind of lame attempt at humor?


You are a moron. Thats the only explanation for you.


:Broncos:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

You are a moron. Thats the only explanation for you.
:Broncos:And you're a what?

[TailgateNut]

It's definitely a black and white issue. What more needs to be said?

If Carson Palmer's cousin was accused of fighting dogs on a Palmer's property would there be this kind of uproar? Would it even be a story?


LOL Whatever you say "Jesse"!

[Rugby7]

If Carson Palmer's cousin was accused of fighting dogs on a Palmer's property would there be this kind of uproar? Would it even be a story?


C'mon now, If you were to put Palmer in the same situation with same amount of evidence it would absolutley be a story. If it were Manning or Brady it would be an even bigger story. H'bout you get the chip of your shoulder.

[Popcorn Sutton]

It's definitely a black and white issue. What more needs to be said?

Nope sorry. You have to back a statement like that up with something. An article of some prominent figure who agrees with your statement or something? Hell even Jackson and Sharpton are staying away from this one.

If Carson Palmer's cousin was accused of fighting dogs on a Palmer's property would there be this kind of uproar? Would it even be a story?

Ummm YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't care if it's Peyton Manning and Eli Manning. You don't kill dogs by watering them down and electrocuting them, or slamming them to the ground until they die, or make them go hungry for a day and then fight another dog to the death.

http://ilovemypitt.150m.com/beigepit1.jpg

[Bronco_Beerslug]

How did I know that Gonzo would turn the Michael Vick situation into a racial issue. Ever think that people aren't disgusted with Mike Vick because he's black, but instead because he slaughters dogs for a hobby?He probably did but that isn't the point of him playing Masterbaiter. He thinks it's a game (just a different form of spamming really).

[Mountain Bronco]

Fed case, has 95% conviction rate. They don't go after swing and miss cases.

[GonzoLays]

[QUOTE=BrewCrew;1654667]Nope sorry. You have to back a statement like that up with something. An article of some prominent figure who agrees with your statement or something? Hell even Jackson and Sharpton are staying away from this one.



Ummm YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't care if it's Peyton Manning and Eli Manning. You don't kill dogs by watering them down and electrocuting them, or slamming them to the ground until they die, or make them go hungry for a day and then fight another dog to the death.


Did you really need to post this graphic picture to get your point across? Please, take that down. It's terrible to look at.

[GonzoLays]

Fed case, has 95% conviction rate. They don't go after swing and miss cases.

Most of those cases are open and shut weapons, drugs, and immigration cases. And I don't believe the conviction rate is quite that high, either.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Ookie, P-Funk, T and Q are going down. When the feds get you, you are got.

[orange 4 life]

I don't want to seem like I'm defending Vick. I realize that a Federal Indictment is way more serious and credible than some ****head local DA trying to further his own political career.

But with that said, it was just what, a year ago that the whole world wanted to throw the proverbial book at the Duke Lacrosse team? They were branded rapists immediately.

I'm not defending Vick. I've got dogs, and I love them dearly. All of the alleged things are horrendous, horrible, cruel, etc. I just see everybody instantly jumping on Vick, just like they jumped on the Duke boys. Isn't it even in the realm of possibility that this guy might be innocent?

the short answer is simply "no".

it is NOT possible that this is duke lacrosse. not even close.

as i said on another thread, look at what we KNOW already. look at the UNDISPUTED facts of this case.
whether or not they get a conviction and/or tie him directly to the fights:

1) he DID own that property
2) there WERE 60+ dogs found alive, in various conditions, many with scars.
3) there WERE over 30 dogs found buried.
4) he DID start the kennel and wore apparel advertising it.
5) it DID have an out of order # and bad address on the webpage, which was IMMEDIATELY brought down when this started.
6) he DID sell that house for half its value.

he's ALREADY guilty. its just a matter of HOW guilty and what EXACTLY he's guilty of.
this isnt duke lacrosse. not even comparable.

[Mountain Bronco]

Sorry, 91 %. Here is a quote from the US courts web page:

"Excluding transfers, the federal courts concluded proceedings against 87,985 defendants, an increase of 2 percent over the total for 2005. Of these defendants, 79,725 were convicted, a 91 percent conviction rate."

If you look at the charges, they are fairly easy to prove. Most federal charges are easier to prove because of the way the laws are set up. All they really have to prove is that Vick knew this was going on. Even the rich and famous go down to the feds.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Did you really need to post this graphic picture to get your point across?

Yes. I had to post that picture. I found your comments to be offensive. I think it's important to understand the nature of these crimes. It's cruelty of the worst kind and it doesn't matter if it was Tom Brady, Mike Vick or Peyton Manning. It would be headline news.

[GonzoLays]

Yes. I had to post that picture. I found your comments to be offensive. I think it's important to understand the nature of these crimes. It's cruelty of the worst kind and it doesn't matter if it was Tom Brady, Mike Vick or Peyton Manning. It would be headline news.

Brew, take it down.

Also, tell me exactly what you found "offensive" about my post.

[Popcorn Sutton]

You trying to turn it into something it's not. Like I said, it would be headline news no matter which major NFL player was caught in the middle of it.

Frankly, I find most of your posts offensive. Like posting Marilyn Manson lyrics 15 minutes after multiple people were killed at Virginia Tech. I'm not going to get into it with you. I said my peace.

The Mike Vick case is not an issue of racism!

[Kaylore]

Pete Rose was black, guys. :approve:

[GonzoLays]

Pete Rose was black, guys. :approve:

Despite breaking the forbidden rule of gambling on baseball and LYING to the American public about the it, a majority of Americans still feel he should be in the hall of fame and reinstated to MLB.

But I do give you an A for effort, though.

[RaiderH8r]

That's hooey. Where did you get that from?

Perhaps in the general vicinity of post #20 when you said, "If Carson Palmer's cousin was accused of fighting dogs on a Palmer's property would there be this kind of uproar? Would it even be a story?"

Implying, in the form of a question, that if Vick were white this wouldn't be a story.

[GonzoLays]

Perhaps in the general vicinity of post #20 when you said, "If Carson Palmer's cousin was accused of fighting dogs on a Palmer's property would there be this kind of uproar? Would it even be a story?"

Implying, in the form of a question, that if Vick were white this wouldn't be a story.

That's great that you feel that way, guy, but do me a favor and read the post you quoted again for me. Thanks.

(Why do people have such a hard understanding what they read?)

[RaiderH8r]

That's great that you feel that way, guy, but do me a favor and read the post you quoted again for me. Thanks.

(Why do people have such a hard understanding what they read?)

"It's definitely a black and white issue. What more needs to be said?

If Carson Palmer's cousin was accused of fighting dogs on a Palmer's property would there be this kind of uproar? Would it even be a story?"

"It's definitely a black and white issue. What more needs to be said?" I don't know how I could ever have gleened from this gem that the Vick case, in your eyes, is a black and white issue. Unless you weren't talking about race but rather his involvement in the actions he has been accused of. But my confusion was further deepened on the matter when you followed that statement with this:

"If Carson Palmer's cousin was accused of fighting dogs on a Palmer's property would there be this kind of uproar? Would it even be a story?" To which I simply say yes on both counts. Furthermore, regardless of race, the bigger the name the bigger the story would be.

But since I've got this all wrong go ahead and clear it up for me.

[GonzoLays]

Originally Posted by §Pide®
Just so I understand ........ Vick is being investigated not for dog fighting , but being black and dog fighting ?




That's hooey. Where did you get that from?

There is the original quote snippet. What were you saying again?

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by §Pide®
Just so I understand ........ Vick is being investigated not for dog fighting , but being black and dog fighting ?




That's hooey. Where did you get that from?

There is the original quote snippet. What were you saying again?

The answer to "Where did you get that from?" may lie in your post that I have quoted. What was it you were saying about reading comprehension?

That notwithstanding, I answered the questions you posed in post #20 and await your rebuttal or agreement to my statements.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Here is a great example:
Barry Bonds -- accused of steriod use in a sport full of steriod abusers. Hated
Lance Armstrong -- accused of steriod use in a sport full of steriod abusers. Beloved
You decide.I don't remember Armstrong admitting putting "cream" on his arse or doubling his body size anytime recently.

BTW, it's o before i in steroid.

[NaptownChief]

I don't remember Armstrong admitting putting "cream" on his arse or doubling his body size anytime recently.

BTW, it's o before i in steroid.


I also don't remember Bonds laying on his death bed with virtually zero chance of survival and yet creating one of the greatest inspirational stories of all time with his will to live and his will to fight back....

But I suppose we shouldn't let the facts get in the way of a good race rant however.

[RaiderH8r]

I don't remember Armstrong admitting putting "cream" on his arse or doubling his body size anytime recently.

BTW, it's o before i in steroid.

Or his "best friend" and "personal trainer" being locked up for...wait for it.....wait for it......peddling juice. And by "best friend" and "personal trainer" I mean "drug dealer" and "drug administrator".

[GonzoLays]

The answer to "Where did you get that from?" may lie in your post that I have quoted. What was it you were saying about reading comprehension?

That notwithstanding, I answered the questions you posed in post #20 and await your rebuttal or agreement to my statements.

Okay, I will make this very simple for you: Where did I say that the only reason Vick is being investigated is because he is black?

Now after reading that, go look at the quote you originally posted and you will then understand that you are clueless. Geesh.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Or his "best friend" and "personal trainer" being locked up for...wait for it.....wait for it......peddling juice. And by "best friend" and "personal trainer" I mean "drug dealer" and "drug administrator".

Let's not forget that Bonds would not have half of his issues if he was just a tad more forthcoming. Lance laid it all on the line when he was being investigated and he still does today. Barry doubles his size in 2 years and then shuns the media and outsiders for even asserting he used steroids.

[RaiderH8r]

Okay, I will make this very simple for you: Where did I say that the only reason Vick is being investigated is because he is black?

Now after reading that, go look at the quote you originally posted and you will then understand that you are clueless. Geesh.

Did you say that, "It's definitely a black and white issue."?

I could have read that wrong I suppose. I am pretty stoopidd after all.

[RaiderH8r]

Let's not forget that Bonds would not have half of his issues if he was just a tad more forthcoming. Lance laid it all on the line when he was being investigated and he still does today. Barry doubles his size in 2 years and then shuns the media and outsiders for even asserting he used steroids.

I guess flaxseed oil works.

[Popcorn Sutton]

It's definitely a black and white issue. What more needs to be said?

If Carson Palmer's cousin was accused of fighting dogs on a Palmer's property would there be this kind of uproar? Would it even be a story?

This is a racially divisive statement and you clearly wanted some type of reaction from it. Why don't you clear it up for us if we are taking it out of context.

[NaptownChief]

Okay, I will make this very simple for you: Where did I say that the only reason Vick is being investigated is because he is black?

Now after reading that, go look at the quote you originally posted and you will then understand that you are clueless. Geesh.



Then what were you implying or trying to accomplish bringing up Carson Palmer?

[NaptownChief]

So are you implying that he Feds and the news media are bigger fans of the Bengals than the Falcons? That must be it since you weren't implying race...

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Vick just hired Billy Martin as his attorney. Protests today at Falcons practice fields.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0723/nfl_a_vickprotesters_275.jpg
AP Photo/Gene Blythe

The demonstration against Michael Vick at Falcons camp began in earnest Monday for picketers. The team opens training camp Thursday, the day Vick is to be arraigned.



Billy Martin (http://www.lawcrossing.com/article/index.php?id=869)


http://www.lawcrossing.com/images/articleimages/billymartin_large.jpg
A former federal prosecutor and senior official at the Department of Justice who has been in private practice since 1990, Mr. Martin is best known for representing high-profile clients in a wide range of matters. This includes defending former Atlanta Mayor Bill Campbell in his highly- publicized public corruption trial and basketball player Jayson Williams in an alleged manslaughter case. On the civil side, Mr. Martin has represented large corporations in complex class actions and other civil trials. Mr. Martin has also handled cases for other athletes, including then Philadelphia 76er Allen Iverson, former Washington Wizards Juwan Howard and Rod Strickland, and boxer Riddick Bowe. Mr. Martin represented Monica Lewinsky and her mother, Marcia Lewis, as well as the parents of murdered Washington intern Chandra Levy. Currently, Mr. Martin represents actor Wesley Snipes, who is under criminal indictment for tax fraud.

[TDmvp]

the fact anyone would think the reaction would be diff if this was a white guy is stupid ... and or delusional ... and id like to have some of whatever drug they might be on to make one so lost ...

If this happened to a white guy .... "after all getting over the shock of whitey being at a ghetto event such as dog fighting" id want the white piece of trash shocked almost to death , hung a bit , slammed down over and over till about dead then shot to finish it off .... so yea i would be sooooooo different ...

[NaptownChief]

I'm very surprised that these protesters with their "Victim" signs haven't rolled out the obvious play of "VICK-TIM" with a picture of a dog on the sign....Such a layup.