PFW: Rod Smith may be cut

[Kaylore]

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/Rod_Smith_May_Be_Cut_by_Broncos/19898

Rod Smith May Be Cut by Broncos

With Broncos WR Brandon Stokley ahead of schedule to return from surgery and the coaching staff excited about second-year WR Domenik Hixon, PFW reports that Rod Smith may not make it out of camp.

It's always sad to see such a tremendous athlete go out with a whimper instead of a bang. If this happens, look for Rod Smith to catch on with a team that doesn't have the Broncos amazing talent at WR, assuming he doesn't decide to just hang it up. Keep an eye on Hixon in camp, as Shanahan is one of the best guys in the league at mining unknown talent. Javon Walker remains a Top 15 WR with Brandon Marshall a top 40 WR who is rapidly emerging as Cutler's future No. 1 target with Stokley playing the role of Ricky Proehl, the guy you hate to waste a roster spot on but who actually might produce a handful of TDs from inside the red zone and be a good FA spot starter during the season.

[Kaylore]

This would surprise me. I like that Hixon is supposedly catching on, but I have trouble buying that they'd just shelve Rod unless he went to Shanahan and said "my legs don't work, my hips suck" or something of that nature. We'll see.

[BigPlayShay]

PUP list.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Well i think thats exactly it. If they cut him, im sure the conversation (or something like it) probably happened.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bob's Your Prophet

[bronco610]

Coaching!!!!!!!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

look for Rod Smith to catch on with a team that doesn't have the Broncos amazing talent at WR....Brandon Marshall a top 40 WR...Brandon Stokely BS...

WTF? This is homer BS.

[Florida_Bronco]

This would surprise me. I like that Hixon is supposedly catching on, but I have trouble buying that they'd just shelve Rod unless he went to Shanahan and said "my legs don't work, my hips suck" or something of that nature. We'll see.

Remember, this is PFW, which is just slightly better than War Paint Illustrated, so I wouldn't count on this being true.

[Kaylore]

Remember, this is PFW, which is just slightly better than War Paint Illustrated, so I wouldn't count on this being true.

PFW is a little better. Remember this isn't PFT, it's PFW.

[SureShot]

If this happens, look for Rod Smith to catch on with a team that doesn't have the Broncos amazing talent at WR, assuming he doesn't decide to just hang it up.


We have amazing talent at WR?

[Florida_Bronco]

PFW is a little better. Remember this isn't PFT, it's PFW.

Yeah, PFW used to be really good but now they suck too, IMO.

[mosca]

If this happens, look for Rod Smith to catch on with a team that doesn't have the Broncos amazing talent at WR, assuming he doesn't decide to just hang it up.


We have amazing talent at WR?
Yeah, this is where I stopped taking this article seriously.

[CBF1]

If this happens, look for Rod Smith to catch on with a team that doesn't have the Broncos amazing talent at WR, assuming he doesn't decide to just hang it up.


We have amazing talent at WR?

Compared to KC we do Hilarious! :chairhit:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Compared to KC we do Hilarious! :chairhit:

From a pure talent standpoint? No, you don't. Especially when hobbled veterans like Rod Smith and Brandon Stokely are being counted on by most people here to contribute.

[CHANGSTER]

I don't even think it would be possible to cut him salary cap wise. His last 2 years are guaranteed, Theirs no room to take a 3,4 million cap hit.

[Blueflame]

Personally, I'd put a big question mark at the WR position... Javon Walker is unquestionably talented... however, the events of New Year's Eve may have left psychological scars. Brandon Marshall shows promise... but he's a second-year player who may or may not ultimately fulfill that potential. Brandon Stokley, going into his 9th NFL season, has only one 1,000+ yard season to his credit... and only one 500-yard season to go with it. 22 touchdowns in 9 years? Gimme a break. He's no Rod Smith.

[anthonypacino]

This would surprise me. I like that Hixon is supposedly catching on, but I have trouble buying that they'd just shelve Rod unless he went to Shanahan and said "my legs don't work, my hips suck" or something of that nature. We'll see.

I don't know, Shanny gets rough with the vets after awhile, he doesn't keep guys around just for the sake of keeping them. It's the way the game is today. I was suprised that Stokley would get out of camp, that's a tough injury to come back from, and easy to hurt again.

[Blueflame]

Rod's first 8 seasons featured six 1000+ yard performances... and he had more than 22 touchdowns if one only counted '97 and '01.

[tsiguy96]

From a pure talent standpoint? No, you don't. Especially when hobbled veterans like Rod Smith and Brandon Stokely are being counted on by most people here to contribute.

too bad you have no qb, no oline, and a disgruntled RB to accompany your amazing WR corps :D

[Blueflame]

Please don't quote Bobo... (some who have the bet-welching troll on ignore have been known to dispense neg-rep for that)

[rovolution]

if rod leaves, its the end of an era.


1995, Elway to Rod Smith, who beat the HOFer Darrell Green, to win the ball game against the Skins.

Someone upload that pic again. Great moment. Rod, Nalen, and Elam. The last Broncos still left from the Orange Crush uniform days.

Dang it Shanny bring out those unis atleast once a season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Let Rod, Nalen, and Elam rock the Orange and the D helmets one last time before they ride off into the sunset!!!!!
http://dsp.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p716087dt.jpg

http://i19.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/a5/70/336b_1.JPG

(if i could find a pic of Nalen rocking the old school colors, i would have posted it here)

[Turf Shaman]

I'd hate for this to be true. I seriously doubt it. This has been a rollercoaster of an offseason for the Broncos. Obviously the deaths over shadow everything, but losing Al Wilson isn't insignificant from a football and leadership standpoint, just the presence he had in that lockerroom, and losing Rod Smith the same way in the same off season? The impact it would have on the lockerrroom has to be considered. Of all the Broncos on the roster, he's the one right now who I most want to see go out the right way, on his own terms. Didn't he take a huge paycut?

[2KBack]

I would think his leadership alone would be worth the peanuts they were paying him for this season.

[Bronco Billy]

If nothing else, he'd be a hell of a coach!

[Atlas]

Smith's contract is garunteed no matter if he is with the team or not. Smith isn't going anywhere. Someone here going to say that he isn't among the top 6 WRs on the team? His lockerroom presence is too important to cut for no reason.

[Broncojef]

Smith's contract is garunteed no matter if he is with the team or not. Smith isn't going anywhere. Someone here going to say that he isn't among the top 6 WRs on the team? His lockerroom presence is too important to cut for no reason.

Couldn't agree more Rod is on this team come the fall unless he just can't play. If he can't play it will have nothing to do with the talent we currently have on the roster or catching on with any other team. As for comparing our Wr talent against KC that is a joke, if Rod was really cut how long do you think it would take the Chefs to be calling his agent, they are terrible.

[broncocalijohn]

First, Shanny must read here about Hixon love. I think we over did it and now might get Rod cut! Seriously though, we dont have an amazing WR group and never had. Even with Easy Ed and Smith, it wasnt considered amazing. There is a stat out there on wide receivers (either yards or TDs) and we havent hit that list in years. Probably Upchurch times. Rod has the experience to make cuts and get open on patterns. Jerry Rice still did in his last years.
And for god sakes people, dont quote Boob. I already had to neg rep Killercon for his contining to quote him. Just answer him w/o the quoting.

[24champ]

Smith's contract is garunteed no matter if he is with the team or not. Smith isn't going anywhere. Someone here going to say that he isn't among the top 6 WRs on the team? His lockerroom presence is too important to cut for no reason.

The same was said about Wilson on how much weight is placed on locker room presence. If you can't produce, it will mean diddly.

That said, it's too soon to know if Rod will be cut, he has to follow the doctors orders to make sure he properly heals and Shanny is being patient with Rod, I suggest we all do too. We will know more about Rod's health as the regular season opener comes closer. This is a lot of speculation on PFW's part, I'm not worried.

[cutthemdown]

Funny camp hasn't even started and they are talking about who is going to get cut. IN ROD WE TRUST until Rod says he can't do it again. Players that won Superbowls for you get some extra leeway here. KC fans wouldn't understand about that. Broncos if they do cut Smith won't do it by telling some scrub reporter from PFW.

[chrisp]

Absolutely. Rod will get his chance to compete and if he can't produce (for whatever reason) he could get cut but if he can he will be back with us.

There's no way Shanny cuts him if he's healthy for camp and producing at the level he's capable of.

But all this remains to be played out. This is just a fluff piece stirring the pot while we wait for the fun to start....

[elsid13]

There is always the possiblitiy that Rod can get cut, this pre-season camp is going be a very hard for him.

[WoodMan]

Last I checked Rod still had great hands, ran good routes, and caught the ball in traffic. :strong: He may have lost a little speed, but was playing on a bad hip last year, so maybe not as much as it appeared last year. And to quote Jimi Hendricks "Have you ever been experienced, well I have". He will be with the Broncos next season as either a player or an apprentice coach.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Like I said a few months ago, Smith will probably be nothing higher than a 4 on this team.

[Popcorn Sutton]

There is absolutely no way Rod doesn't crack the top 5 receivers. The only way this cut is possible is if the hip isn't recovering.

[DenverBrit]

Smith's contract is garunteed no matter if he is with the team or not. Smith isn't going anywhere. Someone here going to say that he isn't among the top 6 WRs on the team? His lockerroom presence is too important to cut for no reason.

Exactly, if Rod is fit enough to play, he stays.

[Dukes]

No way he would play for another team.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Smith's contract is garunteed no matter if he is with the team or not. Smith isn't going anywhere. Someone here going to say that he isn't among the top 6 WRs on the team? His lockerroom presence is too important to cut for no reason.
Is Smith better than Rice was when we brought him in? Probably not much if he is. Shanahan doesn't keep roster spots open just for player presence.

[Garcia Bronco]

Yeah...I doubt this will happen.

[Stormontheplains]

Is Smith better than Rice was when we brought him in? Probably not much if he is. Shanahan doesn't keep roster spots open just for player presence.

Hell yes he is better!! You should be banned!!! IN ROD WE TRUST:chairhit:

[Beej]

I think Rod is gonna surprise a lot of people this season, if he's healthy. Remember, he played with an injury most of last season.

[Garcia Bronco]

I think Rod is gonna surprise a lot of people this season, if he's healthy. Remember, he played with an injury most of last season.

Haven't you heard? They are digging his grave right now. He's done :rolleyes:

[broncsyanks]

if he does not heal then we put him on the inactive list. at least lets see what he has to offer the team when he has fully recovered. the man is a class act and has stepped up everytime the organization has asked him to. he has earned that right to wait and see. just one thing -- if he is not up to par when he is fully healthy we should definately cosider other options. but at that point like someone else mentioned there is serious cap hits and we have limited draft picks.
shanny could give a rats ass about locker room prescence. see al wilson.

regarding our recievers-- walker is an unknown at this point because of his trauma.
marshall showed some real nice speed and hands. he will be good for us.
hixon-- havent really seen him do much in a game situation so the jury is out.
stokely -- we'll see what he looks like.

so overall we have some questions that need to be answered.

[Garcia Bronco]

Al Wilson probably can't play anymore because of his neck. And Javon is fine. He was at mini camp the other day sporting the fro hawk in rememberance.

[Hotrod]

Rod will NEVER be cut. They may ask him to retire at which point I think he would hang them up.

[bronco militia]

they could always put him on IR and see what he can do next year...Rod's cap number will be the same regardless if they release or play him in 2007

[Bronco_Beerslug]

if he does not heal then we put him on the inactive list. at least lets see what he has to offer the team when he has fully recovered. the man is a class act and has stepped up everytime the organization has asked him to. he has earned that right to wait and see. just one thing -- if he is not up to par when he is fully healthy we should definately cosider other options. but at that point like someone else mentioned there is serious cap hits and we have limited draft picks.
shanny could give a rats ass about locker room prescence. see al wilson.

regarding our recievers-- walker is an unknown at this point because of his trauma.
marshall showed some real nice speed and hands. he will be good for us.
hixon-- havent really seen him do much in a game situation so the jury is out.
stokely -- we'll see what he looks like.

so overall we have some questions that need to be answered.Our receivers will be fine. Walker = stud, Marshall has great upside and promise and I'm stoked to see Stokley play. The 4 and 5 on this team probably aren't going to see much playing time this year.

[crowebomber]

This would surprise me. I like that Hixon is supposedly catching on, but I have trouble buying that they'd just shelve Rod unless he went to Shanahan and said "my legs don't work, my hips suck" or something of that nature. We'll see.

I know how highly Shanahan thinks of Rod, but Mike isn't the kind of guy to feel bad about shelving a veteran. He once considered (and may still) Jerry Rice the best player ever to play the game, and Shanahan had him on the bubble of being cut before Rice took himself out of the race.

[crowebomber]

Rod will NEVER be cut. They may ask him to retire at which point I think he would hang them up.

I also thought they would never cut Al Wilson. I don't think they asked him to retire.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Smith's contract is garunteed no matter if he is with the team or not. Smith isn't going anywhere. Someone here going to say that he isn't among the top 6 WRs on the team? His lockerroom presence is too important to cut for no reason.

Exactly. The only way he is not on the team is if he is not healed from the surgery and if that is the case he will retire with the dignity that he has always shown.

[55CrushEm]

they could always put him on IR and see what he can do next year...Rod's cap number will be the same regardless if they release or play him in 2007

Would it ? I thought only the 53 guys on the active roster counted against the cap.....

[bronco militia]

Would it ? I thought only the 53 guys on the active roster counted against the cap.....


instead of redoing his old contract, he tore it up and signed a new one year gauranteed $3 million contract.

[55CrushEm]

instead of redoing his old contract, he tore it up and signed a new one year gauranteed $3 million contract.

Brilliant.

[bronco militia]

I may have fibbed a little....

Denver made concessions to the 36-year-old wide receiver by guaranteeing his base salaries this year and next, the final year of his contract. That means the franchise's all-time leader in catches, touchdowns and receiving yards will pocket $3 million no matter what. He'll carry a similar cap figure next season ($3.55 million) if he decides to play out his deal.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_5490802
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_5408337,00.html

[NYC Bronco]

it's all Hixon's fault

[ludo21]

Never cut Rod until he retires. I dont care if he doesnt play, put him on the roster!!

[Hotrod]

If the Bronco FO were to cut Rod I'll put Taco on ignore in protest.

[Rock Chalk]

I know how highly Shanahan thinks of Rod, but Mike isn't the kind of guy to feel bad about shelving a veteran. He once considered (and may still) Jerry Rice the best player ever to play the game, and Shanahan had him on the bubble of being cut before Rice took himself out of the race.

Rice didnt spend his career under Shanahan, with the Broncos either.

Rod's case is probably similar to Elway's. If he cant play this year, he will be put on IR or the PUP list. If he is healthy can can contribute next year he will play then.

No way will Rod be cut. He will retire. Gauranteed.

[Paladin]

If Rod is done, he will be afforded the opportunity to retire with dignity, and I would not be surprised of he were then hired to work for the Broncos in some capacity. He is great for the image, and he is fairly eloquent (Doesn't use "ya know?" too much) and he can inspire kids. As most of you here know.

I would not be surprised to see Rod be the fifth guy, and be inactive for many games. He could be inserted at a home game for the fans to enjoy and to give him a good retirement sendoff.

All of this is speculation., He ain't dead yet, and he might recover nicely. We'll just have to see. I am pretty sure Shanahan does not read PFW, so he probably does not feel the pressure.........

[Blueflame]

How about we allow Rod at least till the start of training camp (like Shanahan is) and see if he's healthy enough to compete or not before writing his epitaph? Jeez... this is a tough crowd. Ha!

[ICON]

PUP list.yep!

[cmhargrove]

Rice didnt spend his career under Shanahan, with the Broncos either.

Rod's case is probably similar to Elway's. If he cant play this year, he will be put on IR or the PUP list. If he is healthy can can contribute next year he will play then.

No way will Rod be cut. He will retire. Gauranteed.

100% on track. We will see if Rod starts running in training camp, then things will look good. Otherwise, he will be on PUP. Rod will retire before he gets cut. It is an act of dignity and there is no way Rod or the team would come to that.
Just let Greek do his magic, Rod's work ethic will do the rest. Rod as a #3 receiver would be a great thing for this team. Hopefully this year and next, then he hangs it up.

[smalltowngrll]

I have to believe that if the coaching staff feels that it's Rod's time to go, Rod knows and they would work together to allow Rod to retire a Bronco.

I'll wait until Training Camp before I begin to believe any of the Rumors.

[smalltowngrll]

Rice didnt spend his career under Shanahan, with the Broncos either.

Rod's case is probably similar to Elway's. If he cant play this year, he will be put on IR or the PUP list. If he is healthy can can contribute next year he will play then.

No way will Rod be cut. He will retire. Gauranteed.


If I remember right, and I'll have to do some research, but didn't Rod, himself, state that he would retire if he wasn't healthy enough to play this year? I have to agree with Alec, here!

[Blueflame]

The only reason Rod wouldn't be on the team in '07 is if he's not healthy enough to play... and if he's not healthy enough to play, going to another team (or being cut) is out of the question. Have to go with the consensus here... he'll gracefully retire as a Bronco and perhaps move smoothly into the assistant coaching ranks.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Yeah, Rod should become a coach based on all the young WRs he helped mentor and develop through the years. I mean it's not like this team has been desperate for a number 3 WR for years.

And if that's not his fault and he shouldn't be required to mentor those younger guys, then he's done nothing to show he should be given the chance to coach.

[TailgateNut]

I know how highly Shanahan thinks of Rod, but Mike isn't the kind of guy to feel bad about shelving a veteran. He once considered (and may still) Jerry Rice the best player ever to play the game, and Shanahan had him on the bubble of being cut before Rice took himself out of the race.


Please don't compare Rice with Rod. Rice was on his way to the pasture when he arived in Denver, wereas Rod has been nothing but a sure thing since his arrival. Dedication Poster Boy!

[RkyMtnThunder]

I dont get the whole Rice comparison thing either.

I mean Rice was a Bronco for what...15 minutes?

And somehow, how Rice's career ended in Denver is relevant to Smith?

Correct me if I am wrong, but Rice did 'make' the team, just so far down the depth chart Rice himself declined the spot and retired.

So its not like 'Shanny has no problem cutting legends' and that its likely Rod will get cut.

I agree with others who think he would wind up on the PUP or decide to retire himself before Shanny would cut him.

[Northman]

Unfortuantely, the way the NFL works now this could happen. Loyalty to players or teams is a thing of the past. and quite frankly if a player isnt what he used to be than a team needs to move on. The only problem is when you have a player like Jerry Rice (after leaving SF) who still had a few good years in him blow up in your face. If Rod gets cut i hope he either retires or doesnt do well somewhere else.

[RkyMtnThunder]

Unfortuantely, the way the NFL works now this could happen. Loyalty to players or teams is a thing of the past. and quite frankly if a player isnt what he used to be than a team needs to move on. The only problem is when you have a player like Jerry Rice (after leaving SF) who still had a few good years in him blow up in your face. If Rod gets cut i hope he either retires or doesnt do well somewhere else.

Thats kinda small man - why would you wish that on Rod?

[Northman]

Thats kinda small man - why would you wish that on Rod?


Its not about wishing it upon him. It is just that i would be pissed if he got a ring with another team. To me, Rod is a Bronco and should retire as such but i just dont want to see him playing for anyone else. If he cant go anymore like he once did i would want him to retire. Its like saying i wished John had gone to another team and done well. I just couldnt stand seeing players i admire go elsewhere and succeed. Im selfish that way i guess.

[crowebomber]

OK, if Rod does not recover before the final roster is set, I think Shanahan will give Rod every opportunity to either retire or find work somewhere else (not that I think he would) but there's no way Shanahan keeps a spot for him out of sentimental reasons.

[Garcia Bronco]

Smith will be on the final roster....for the love of Jude

[Kaylore]

No way will Rod be cut. He will retire. Gauranteed.

I agree. If Smith can't do it anymore, then he'll retire.

[Requiem]

I'd like to see him retire, even though I've been less than impressed with his performances over the past several years.

[Garcia Bronco]

I'd like to see him retire, even though I've been less than impressed with his performances over the past several years.

You were less than impressed with his two 1000 yard 6-7 td performances in 04 and 05? And his 14-15 receptions over 20 plus yards in each of those seasons?

[Los Broncos]

Dam, would suck to see him get cut.

But i think we will be ok at WR.

When healthy, Stokley is pretty solid.

Good to see Hixon catching on.

[Garcia Bronco]

Here is his resume.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1220

I apologize if anyone feels insulted(I get kind of emotional about Rod Smith), but CTFO....does anybody really realize who we are talking about here? He plays injured last year with with "Captain hit you in hands" most of the season and people want to shovel dirt on his grave.

And other people with the things they are saying...jeeze....I don't think I'd turn my back on you.

Again...not trying to insult anyone

[Los Broncos]

Rod as been nothing but a warrior and class.

Would never turn my back on him or write him off.

But if he cant go, then he needs to sit this one out.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Here is his resume.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1220

I apologize if anyone feels insulted(I get kind of emotional about Rod Smith), but CTFO....does anybody really realize who we are talking about here? He plays injured last year with with "Captain hit you in hands" most of the season and people want to shovel dirt on his grave.

And other people with the things they are saying...jeeze....I don't think I'd turn my back on you.

Again...not trying to insult anyone
LOL

Jerry Rice's resume is much better, so what?

[BigPlayShay]

He won't retire. He will go on the PUP list and rehab. Then he will try to play again in 2008.

[Garcia Bronco]

He won't retire. He will go on the PUP list and rehab. Then he will try to play again in 2008.

At the very worst.

[Garcia Bronco]

LOL

Jerry Rice's resume is much better, so what?

WTF does the GOAT have to do with this discussion?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

WTF does the GOAT have to do with this discussion?WTF does Smith's past resume have to do with his current chances of making the team?

[RkyMtnThunder]

Here is his resume.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1220

I apologize if anyone feels insulted(I get kind of emotional about Rod Smith), but CTFO....does anybody really realize who we are talking about here? He plays injured last year with with "Captain hit you in hands" most of the season and people want to shovel dirt on his grave.

And other people with the things they are saying...jeeze....I don't think I'd turn my back on you.

Again...not trying to insult anyone



Rod Smith has better career QB passer rating than Mike Vick - heck, its better than Elways!

thats hysterical

[Garcia Bronco]

WTF does Smith's past resume have to do with his current chances of making the team?

You took it the wrong way. People talk as if the guy hasn't done anything is 3 years. It's to point out exactly what his contribution was over the past 3 years.

It's also important that the guy has done more for this team than just about anybody else on the roster(the only person who has done more would be The Greek), and he'll continue to do so if he thinks he can, and right now he does.

[Blueflame]

WTF does Smith's past resume have to do with his current chances of making the team?
Rod's resume is relevant when another poster has just said he was "less than impressed with Rod's performance" for the past several years. GB was pointing out that his only subpar year was '06, when he was injured... and when the starting QB was... uh... struggling... to say the least.

Jerry Rice is totally irrelevant to this topic... he was a 9er and a Raider, not a Bronco.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

You took it the wrong way. People talk as if the guy hasn't done anything is 3 years. It's to point out exactly what his contribution was over the past 3 years.

It's also important that the guy has done more for this team than just about anybody else on the roster(the only person who has done more would be The Greek), and he'll continue to do so if he thinks he can, and right now he does.No, I didn't take it the wrong way. It matters not what you have done in the past in the NFL.

[Garcia Bronco]

No, I didn't take it the wrong way. It matters not what you have done in the past in the NFL.


oy veh...


Actually, to a degree it does...so quit perpetuating that media created garbage.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Rod's resume is relevant when another poster has just said he was "less than impressed with Rod's performance" for the past several years. GB was pointing out that his only subpar year was '06, when he was injured... and when the starting QB was... uh... struggling... to say the least.

Jerry Rice is totally irrelevant to this topic... he was a 9er and a Raider, not a Bronco.Jerry Rice was a Bronco. Smith is just about at that same talent level Rice was when we signed him. Resumes mean nothing in the NFL when your hurt, 37 years old and playing a speed position.

Ask Steve Atwater or Al Wilson about player loyalty in the NFL.

[Garcia Bronco]

Jerry Rice was a Bronco. Smith is just about at that same talent level Rice was when we signed him.

BS...look it up.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

BS...look it up.Look what up?

[Garcia Bronco]

What you just posted homeboy

[Bronco_Beerslug]

What you just posted homeboyAre you that dense? We did indeed sign Rice, what's your problem?








http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Images/Top%20Stories/2005/rice_jerry_050813.jpg

[Garcia Bronco]

Are you that dense? We did indeed sign Rice, what's your problem?


oy veh...never mind

[Bronco_Beerslug]

oy veh...never mindYeah, I reckon so. You let your mouth overload your arse again.

[Garcia Bronco]

Yeah, I reckon so. You let your mouth overload your arse again.

Hardly...you can't follow a simple conversation.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Hardly...you can't follow a simple conversation.Your reading comprehension sucks.

You quote my post ...Jerry Rice was a Bronco. Smith is just about at that same talent level Rice was when we signed him.
and you reply...BS...look it up.

So I have to assume you're are referring to Rice not being a Bronco since that's what you quoted. I also have to reprimand you for being ignorant for not knowing that fact.

Are you dyslexic?

[Garcia Bronco]

Your reading comprehension sucks.

You quote my post ...Jerry Rice was a Bronco. Smith is just about at that same talent level Rice was when we signed him.
and you reply...BS...look it up.

So I have to assume you're are referring to Rice not being a Bronco since that's what you quoted. I also have to reprimand you for being ignorant for not knowing that fact.

Are you dyslexic?

Why don't you try look at the other part of your post.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Why don't you try look at the other part of your post.
LOL

Cause that's ALL you quoted "dimwit"! Hilarious!

[RkyMtnThunder]

No, I didn't take it the wrong way. It matters not what you have done in the past in the NFL.

If thats the case, Shanny would have been fired after the 1999 season


I dont think its as black/white as you imply

[Bronco_Beerslug]

If thats the case, Shanny would have been fired after the 1999 season
I dont think its as black/white as you implyWe're talking players (throw away commodities) not coaches.

[RkyMtnThunder]

We're talking players (throw away commodities) not coaches.

You said NFL

and there is a rotating turnstyle with coaches too

I just dont think its as black/white as you describe.

[Blueflame]

Jerry Rice was a Bronco. Smith is just about at that same talent level Rice was when we signed him. Resumes mean nothing in the NFL when your hurt, 37 years old and playing a speed position.

Ask Steve Atwater or Al Wilson about player loyalty in the NFL.
Jerry Rice never played a single meaningful down as a Bronco (preseason, attempting to secure a roster slot doesn't count). I'll regard him as having been a Bronco when you can show me one stat he put up for the team. He was camp fodder; nothing more.

[55CrushEm]

Why don't you try look at the other part of your post.

Come on, Garcia.....you and I both know that Sluggo is just being his usual asshole self.

He knows that by saying Jerry Rice "not being a Bronco"....that most people mean that he wasn't part of the 53 man roster, cause he was going to get cut, and he therefore retired. Sluggo just likes being a ****ing smarmy jerk to people, and maybe someday he'll wake up and realize why nobody likes people who are like that.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Come on, Garcia.....you and I both know that Sluggo is just being his usual a-hole self.

He knows that by saying Jerry Rice "not being a Bronco"....that most people mean that he wasn't part of the 53 man roster, cause he was going to get cut, and he therefore retired. Sluggo just likes being a ****ing smarmy jerk to people, and maybe someday he'll wake up and realize why nobody likes people who are like that.Oooops that's not what Garcia was talking about but you knew that, right?

[Killericon]

No, I didn't take it the wrong way. It matters not what you have done in the past in the NFL.

You should ask Brett Favre about that.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Jerry Rice never played a single meaningful down as a Bronco (preseason, attempting to secure a roster slot doesn't count). I'll regard him as having been a Bronco when you can show me one stat he put up for the team. He was camp fodder; nothing more. I didn't say he played a regular season down but he was part of the Broncos roster and he did make the team. When Shanahan told him he would be no more than a 3 at best he retired right before the first regular season game (Sept. 5).

And I only used Rice as a comparison to where Smith is in his career.

[Blueflame]

I didn't say he played a regular season down but he was part of the Broncos roster and he did make the team. When Shanahan told him he would be no more than a 3 at best he retired right before the first regular season game (Sept. 5).

And I only used Rice as a comparison to where Smith is in his career.
There wasn't a young WR on our team who did not outplay Rice in the brief preseason timeframe that he was in Denver. While Shanahan might have still gifted him a slot on our 53-man roster, he certainly would not have earned it on any merit except past accomplishments from what I saw. He should have retired with dignity after the Fade's SB loss to the Bucs and spared football fans the pathetic spectacle of a once-great athlete who is the last to see/acknowledge that he can no longer compete with the youngsters, even those who will eventually be no-name washouts.

Again, Rod won't do that. He'll know when to gracefully step down.

[RkyMtnThunder]

You should ask Brett Favre about that.

Great example!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

There wasn't a young WR on our team who did not outplay Rice in the brief preseason timeframe that he was in Denver. While Shanahan might have still gifted him a slot on our 53-man roster, he certainly would not have earned it on any merit except past accomplishments from what I saw. He should have retired with dignity after the Fade's SB loss to the Bucs and spared football fans the pathetic spectacle of a once-great athlete who is the last to see/acknowledge that he can no longer compete with the youngsters, even those who will eventually be no-name washouts.

Again, Rod won't do that. He'll know when to gracefully step down.You must know Rod Smith personally :)

My experience watching NFL players over 5 decades is the vast majority still believe they can still compete when a team sh*tcans them. It's the nature of athletes.
You should ask Brett Favre about that.Why, the Packers obviously believe he can still win games for them.

[~Crash~]

There wasn't a young WR on our team who did not outplay Rice in the brief preseason timeframe that he was in Denver. While Shanahan might have still gifted him a slot on our 53-man roster, he certainly would not have earned it on any merit except past accomplishments from what I saw. He should have retired with dignity after the Fade's SB loss to the Bucs and spared football fans the pathetic spectacle of a once-great athlete who is the last to see/acknowledge that he can no longer compete with the youngsters, even those who will eventually be no-name washouts.

Again, Rod won't do that. He'll know when to gracefully step down.

this is about right Rod said he will never play again unless he is right ! so I look fir him to never play again it is not like you can fix bone on bone in the hip?

[BroncoInferno]

I agree. If Smith can't do it anymore, then he'll retire.

I don't know. He's always struck me as one of those guys they'll have to drag away from the game kicking and screaming. Come to think of it, it seems he's said as much himself.

[crowebomber]

You should ask Brett Favre about that.

Yeah, and that's why the Packers probably won't even sniff the playoffs this year. Shanahan doesn't think like that or like most of you, luckily. We've heard him say it again and again, he's putting the best 53 guys on the field. That's why he doesn't feel bad about cutting a guy who was just drafted in the third round (Maurice Clarrett) or getting rid of an aging veteran, despite his popularity (Al Wilson, Steve Atwater).

I hope Rod recovers. I think if he can play at a high level he will have a great year with all the doubleteams on Javon. But if he can't, then you have to make room on the roster for someone who is going to contribute a little more. It's not like they're killing Rod Smith, he's got enough going that he'll have a job outside of football. It's just business. And there is no room for sentimentality in business.

[Garcia Bronco]

That's just it though...if he's not healthy then it's PUP time...maybe even IR, but the idea that he'll get cut is too far out there to even consider.

[Inkana7]

Wow. Rod has scored TDs Recieving, Rushing, Returning Punts, and he even has a fumble return for a TD.

[Blueflame]

You must know Rod Smith personally :)

My experience watching NFL players over 5 decades is the vast majority still believe they can still compete when a team sh*tcans them. It's the nature of athletes.
Why, the Packers obviously believe he can still win games for them.

I would like to meet him personally... it would be nice to buy him a cup of coffee or a drink as a thank you for all he's done to help the Broncos win football games. :)

The players you're talking about... the ones who think they can still compete when a team lets them go... are the egomaniacs and "me-players". It's been widely reported that Rod hasn't forgotten being undrafted and having to work very hard to earn a roster spot, always worried about whether or not he'll make the team. Unless those reports are totally off-base, he's very humble and therefore wouldn't fall into the mega-ego group with guys like Me-shawn Johnson.

[baja]

It was Rod that talked Rice down from the roof ledge when it came apparent he would not make the team.

[yerner]

If he's healthy, Rod's still better than any of the other guys not named Javon we can put out there. Marshall, Stokey , Hixon? Please, someone call Todd Devoe.

[BroncoBuff]

I don't think the word "cut" or "waive" will ever be associated with Rod. Ever.

The worst that will happen is "Injured Reserve" this year, then perhaps a retirement press conference this time next year if he still can't go.

[RkyMtnThunder]

Hixon? Please, someone call Todd Devoe.

BLASPHEMER!!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I would like to meet him personally... it would be nice to buy him a cup of coffee or a drink as a thank you for all he's done to help the Broncos win football games. :)

The players you're talking about... the ones who think they can still compete when a team lets them go... are the egomaniacs and "me-players". It's been widely reported that Rod hasn't forgotten being undrafted and having to work very hard to earn a roster spot, always worried about whether or not he'll make the team. Unless those reports are totally off-base, he's very humble and therefore wouldn't fall into the mega-ego group with guys like Me-shawn Johnson.Sorry Blue, but Al Wilson and Steve Atwater were top tier character guys too. Athletes are full of testosterone and competiveness, it's nature ( for most) to keep wanting it (playing the game).

[Blueflame]

Sorry Blue, but Al Wilson and Steve Atwater were top tier character guys too. Athletes are full of testosterone and competiveness, it's nature ( for most) to keep wanting it (playing the game).

Atwater went on to play one season with another team (then re-signed long enough to retire as a Bronco)... but it doesn't look like Big Al will be healthy enough to play elsewhere, at least not this season.

At any rate, no athlete was more competitive than John Elway. Yet he knew when to walk away. I think Rod will know, too when the time comes.

[Garcia Bronco]

Atwater went on to play one season with another team (then re-signed long enough to retire as a Bronco)... but it doesn't look like Big Al will be healthy enough to play elsewhere, at least not this season.

At any rate, no athlete was more competitive than John Elway. Yet he knew when to walk away. I think Rod will know, too when the time comes.

Yeah...the Al Wilson situation is more like Mobley at this point than anything. I hope Al gets healthy for his life.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Atwater went on to play one season with another team (then re-signed long enough to retire as a Bronco)... but it doesn't look like Big Al will be healthy enough to play elsewhere, at least not this season.
At any rate, no athlete was more competitive than John Elway. Yet he knew when to walk away. I think Rod will know, too when the time comes.John Elway is one of the exceptions. Jerry Rice along with countless other NFL athletes just can't do it when it's time.

Regardless of what happens this is Rod Smith's last season. I'm not sure why he'd want to spend it on the PUP.

[BroncoBuff]

I thought PUP was for non-football injuries (like K2 on his mini-bike), and IR was for football-related injuries. That's a very important monetary/compensation difference, because parts of the standard player contract say that if the player cannot perform due to non-football physical limitations (illness or injury), he loses some portion of money and/or benefits. I am certain this was true years ago, and it makes sense legally - even though we always concentrate on management duties under these contracts, the players are also definitely under a contractual duty to show up in physical condition to perform ... why should Cleveland pay $4 million to K2 when he can't play because of his mini-bike accident? That's not a football-related injury.

On the other hand, this hip injury sounds like it is football related. It might be femoral-pelvic necrosis of some type, a quasi-arthritic condition which can happen to anybody, but who would doubt his football playing - in performance of his player contract - severely aggravated if not caused the problem?

[Blueflame]

John Elway is one of the exceptions. Jerry Rice along with countless other NFL athletes just can't do it when it's time.

Regardless of what happens this is Rod Smith's last season. I'm not sure why he'd want to spend it on the PUP.
Elway's example... going out at the top... is what most athletes would love to do and I think the desire to retire like John did was partly what kept both Marino and Rice in the league (could probably add Favre to that list, too) beyond their prime.

I'd say Rod's retirement timetable is still uncertain... and dependent on his health. While it's possible that he won't be able to play again, it's also possible that the surgery he underwent will alleviate the problems that contributed to his subpar '06 numbers. Time will tell...

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Elway's example... going out at the top... is what most athletes would love to do and I think the desire to retire like John did was partly what kept both Marino and Rice in the league (could probably add Favre to that list, too) beyond their prime.

I'd say Rod's retirement timetable is still uncertain... and dependent on his health. While it's possible that he won't be able to play again, it's also possible that the surgery he underwent will alleviate the problems that contributed to his subpar '06 numbers. Time will tell...Yep, add one Brett Favre to the list. Don't get me wrong in all this, Rod Smith is one Denver's all time greats. The business side of the game has always made players as nothing more than throw away assets when they no longer produced at the highest levels. Roster spots are precious in this league and I guarantee you Shanahan will not waste one for any reason.

[Blueflame]

Yep, add one Brett Favre to the list. Don't get me wrong in all this, Rod Smith is one Denver's all time greats. The business side of the game has always made players as nothing more than throw away assets when they no longer produced at the highest levels. Roster spots are precious in this league and I guarantee you Shanahan will not waste one for any reason.
I think we're agreed on the point that Rod won't have a roster slot if he's not physically able to compete for (and win) one. In that event, however, I'd expect him to gracefully retire (as a Bronco) rather than to force Shanahan to make the tough (purely business) decision to cut him from the team.

For what it's worth, if all of this were to transpire, I have to agree with the earlier poster who noted that Shanahan's usual methodology doesn't include leaking this type of "news" or even a rumor... to PFW. I think there would be closed-door meetings with Rod and what we'd eventually hear (or read) is an "official announcement".

[mhgaffney]

(if i could find a pic of Nalen rocking the old school colors, i would have posted it here)

Few photos exist of the guy who works at the bottom of the scrum.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

(if i could find a pic of Nalen rocking the old school colors, i would have posted it here)
Few photos exist of the guy who works at the bottom of the scrum.Damn! A football post from gaf, I'm flabbergasted!!

[BroncoBuff]

Damn! A football post from gaf, I'm flabbergasted!!

Me too!

But actually, I don't think it's him. It must be some kind of conspiracy.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Me too!

But actually, I don't think it's him. It must be some kind of conspiracy.:) He may be getting tired of getting pounded for his "out there" takes on U.S. government conspiracies so maybe this is a good thing.

[Simply Red]

*praying* Please O please. He typically has monumental games against us. : )

[Atlas]

The same was said about Wilson on how much weight is placed on locker room presence. If you can't produce, it will mean diddly.

That said, it's too soon to know if Rod will be cut, he has to follow the doctors orders to make sure he properly heals and Shanny is being patient with Rod, I suggest we all do too. We will know more about Rod's health as the regular season opener comes closer. This is a lot of speculation on PFW's part, I'm not worried.

Unlike Wilson Rod will get his money whether he plays or not.

[Atlas]

Is Smith better than Rice was when we brought him in? Probably not much if he is. Shanahan doesn't keep roster spots open just for player presence.

There is no benefit in cutting Smith. Even if Rod can't play he won't be cut. I promise you that!

[24champ]

Unlike Wilson Rod will get his money whether he plays or not.

That is great for Rod financially, but I don't think it will weigh much on Shanny's mind if Rod isn't playing up to par. Personally I think it is too early to speculate about what will happen to Rod.