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enjolras
07-17-2007, 02:30 PM
It's incredibly biased, no doubt. But it does paint an interesting picture of the infighting between Goldwater Republicans and the Neocons of today.

http://www.alternet.org/story/57001?page=2

RkyMtnThunder
07-17-2007, 05:33 PM
Props to the author for finding the strength within to not throw himself overboard.

Bronco Bob
07-18-2007, 01:24 AM
It's incredibly biased, no doubt. But it does paint an interesting picture of the infighting between Goldwater Republicans and the Neocons of today.

http://www.alternet.org/story/57001?page=2

This part is classic:

[As I stare at him, all my repressed bewilderment rises, and I ask - Mr Starr, do you feel ashamed that, as Osama bin Laden plotted to murder American citizens, you brought the American government to a stand-still over a few consensual blow jobs? Do you ever lie awake at night wondering if a few more memos on national security would have reached the President's desk if he wasn't spending half his time dealing with your sexual McCarthyism?]

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
07-18-2007, 05:31 AM
This part is classic:

[As I stare at him, all my repressed bewilderment rises, and I ask - Mr Starr, do you feel ashamed that, as Osama bin Laden plotted to murder American citizens, you brought the American government to a stand-still over a few consensual blow jobs? Do you ever lie awake at night wondering if a few more memos on national security would have reached the President's desk if he wasn't spending half his time dealing with your sexual McCarthyism?]

Bravo! :thumbsup:

Stormontheplains
07-18-2007, 09:43 AM
You can't blame starr. I hope you understand that Bill Clinton caused the problem, nobody else. As i teach my kids, it doesn't matter what happens after the fact, it's what you did to start it. I can see you guys raising children and having situations like, kid screws off gets a d, teacher is a jerk, you guys blame teacher for your son's problem, instead of explaining to your son if he does everything the right way, most likely the jerk teacher wont mess with him

Spider
07-18-2007, 10:29 AM
You can't blame starr. I hope you understand that Bill Clinton caused the problem, nobody else. As i teach my kids, it doesn't matter what happens after the fact, it's what you did to start it. I can see you guys raising children and having situations like, kid screws off gets a d, teacher is a jerk, you guys blame teacher for your son's problem, instead of explaining to your son if he does everything the right way, most likely the jerk teacher wont mess with him

over reacting , Starr is defiantly guilty of that , to say other wise means you support the maximum sentence , and investigation on traffic laws ...
750.00 for going 5 miles over the posted speed limit .....Failure to use turn signals ......
Improper lane change.......
improper use of emergency flashers ....
distracted driving ........ alot more then just cell phones ..
pulling " California Stops"
how much do you advocate spending tax payer dollars to investigate these crimes and punishing these unmoral people to the fullest extent that the law allows ?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
07-18-2007, 06:31 PM
You can't blame starr. I hope you understand that Bill Clinton caused the problem, nobody else.

:bs:

The investigation of Clinton was a long, drawn-out GOP fishing expedition that started WAY before Monica came down the pike. The repugs, in their efforts to undo two elections, manufactured one trumped-up "scandal" after another (e.g., Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate, etc.) until they finally hit paydirt prying into the president's private life. Then they decided to pursue impeachment - even though a majority of the American people said they didn't want impeachment (sound familiar?)

Bronco Bob
07-18-2007, 10:50 PM
:bs:

The investigation of Clinton was a long, drawn-out GOP fishing expedition that started WAY before Monica came down the pike. The repugs, in their efforts to undo two elections, manufactured one trumped-up "scandal" after another (e.g., Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate, etc.) until they finally hit paydirt prying into the president's private life. Then they decided to pursue impeachment - even though a majority of the American people said they didn't want impeachment (sound familiar?)

People comment now about the low opinion the public has of Congress,
and how poorly Congress ranks in the polls, especially the GOP.
Interestingly the last time Congress ranked this low was when they
tried to impeach Clinton. But while W has an equally low approval rating,
during the impeachment procedings Clinton enjoyed a 72% job
approval rating.

http://www.pollingreport.com/clinton-.htm

So despite the GOP witch hunts, the American people never lost faith in Bill Clinton.

TheDave
07-18-2007, 11:20 PM
You can't blame starr. I hope you understand that Bill Clinton caused the problem, nobody else. As i teach my kids, it doesn't matter what happens after the fact, it's what you did to start it. I can see you guys raising children and having situations like, kid screws off gets a d, teacher is a jerk, you guys blame teacher for your son's problem, instead of explaining to your son if he does everything the right way, most likely the jerk teacher wont mess with him

Normally I would agree with you... But... What if during a parent teacher conference you realized he couldn't get through more than a sentence or two with out butchering the english language. Then during this conversation you come to learn that he doesn't believe in evolution, talks to "god", is a recovering alchoholic, has been a failure at every other career and only took up teaching because his dad was the priciple, and just when you think it couldn't get any worse... you learn that when the class bully brought a knife to school this teacher went to some other kids house and bomb'd it.

Under those circumstances, there is a chance, you might blame the teacher a little... See what i mean.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
07-19-2007, 05:05 AM
People comment now about the low opinion the public has of Congress,
and how poorly Congress ranks in the polls, especially the GOP.
Interestingly the last time Congress ranked this low was when they
tried to impeach Clinton. But while W has an equally low approval rating,
during the impeachment procedings Clinton enjoyed a 72% job
approval rating.

http://www.pollingreport.com/clinton-.htm

So despite the GOP witch hunts, the American people never lost faith in Bill Clinton.

Hammer, nail, head. :thumbsup: