If you could unfertilize one egg in the last 70 years?

[freak6]

Who would you prevent from being born?

[baja]

Whoever it would take to not have 9/11 happen.

That is the event that allowed our world to take a bad turn.

[freak6]

Whoever it would take to not have 9/11 happen.

That is the event that allowed our world to take a bad turn.

That falls on Condi who was the NSA, Bush who admitted to NOT reading the 2nd page of the August 6th PDB detailing the coming attack from Al Qaeda, which

Condi testified was not actionable, yet then perjured herself 5 minutes later admitting she did take action on it. Basically as NSA she failed, and did not take the CORRECT action, so the Bush administration said it had NO actionable evidence.

It was when this came to light that I finally decided enough was enough, and Bush and Co. should be impeached.

5 years ago...........

LOL

but not really

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[Bronco Bob]

I'm voting Oswald. If Oswald wouldn't have killed Kennedy, we might not
have had Vietnam and Johnson which begat Nixon which resulted
in Carter which resulted in Reagan having Bush sr. as his VP which
resulted in Junior being president now. So basically it's Oswald's fault
Dubya is president and we are in the mess we are in now.

[TheDave]

None of you are true Bronco Fans if you didn't vote Greise...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I'm voting Oswald. If Oswald wouldn't have killed Kennedy, we might not
have had Vietnam and Johnson which begat Nixon which resulted
in Carter which resulted in Reagan having Bush sr. as his VP which
resulted in Junior being president now. So basically it's Oswald's fault
Dubya is president and we are in the mess we are in now.

I'm impressed by the logic here, but if it hadn't been Oswald, it would have been someone else pulling the trigger, I suspect.

[SoCalBronco]

I'm voting Oswald. If Oswald wouldn't have killed Kennedy, we might not
have had Vietnam and Johnson which begat Nixon which resulted
in Carter which resulted in Reagan having Bush sr. as his VP which
resulted in Junior being president now. So basically it's Oswald's fault
Dubya is president and we are in the mess we are in now.

We don't know whether we would have been stuck in Vietnam. That's speculation. I think there has been bits and pieces of evidence for both sides of that equation. Without President Johnson, it is unlikely that a number of pieces of significant legislation would have been passed. Mr. Kennedy did not possess President Johnson's legislative mastery and ability to get things through. Mr. Kennedy was a career backbencher with little political skill and often shied away from legislative fights over a number of issues, some of which relating to civil rights issues that President Johnson was able to successfully deal with, Johnson/Vietnam begat Nixon? Highly doubtful. Explain your reasoning. Vice President Humphrey was more of a dove than Nixon and by Sept/Oct, he really began pushing an anti-war stance and seperating himself from the President. In any case, I'm not complaining, I am glad and extremely grateful that President Nixon was elected. Nixon resulted in Carter? Well...I would agree with the general concept that the fallout from Watergate ensured a Democrat in 1976...although not necessarily President Carter, he did happen to win the nomination, however. The whole Carter led to Reagan thing suffers from the same flaw, its just problematic reasoning IMO, there are a host of issues involved in elections that affect the outcome, its not just Carter led to Reagan....alot of people believed President Carter was weak in the hostage crisis despite that not being accurate. He was also suffering from the stagflation and energy crisis that had caused problems for Ford and Nixon before him. There are alot of issues, you cant just basically say because Carter sucked that led to Reagan and then to Bush etc. It isnt that simple, and the assumptions that are being made are not always correct. .

[spdirty]

Ruby B$*er. That has nothing to do with the world we live in. Its personal. Woman is on a mission to destroy my life. If it were the last hundred fifty years, I would vote for Charles Taze Russel, the founder of the Jehova's Witnesses.

[atomicbloke]

The arguement does not hold. If we could unfertilize Hitler's or Saddam's egg, then another egg would have produced Hitler or Saddam.

Thats just how human history has worked.

[spdirty]

The arguement does not hold. If we could unfertilize Hitler's or Saddam's egg, then another egg would have produced Hitler or Saddam.

Thats just how human history has worked.

OK then rephrase the question to say "If we could destroy all the eggs of the mother of one person, who would it be."

Its a total hypothetical. No need to get technical.

[bronco610]

Need other on the options so I could pick either of my first 2 wives.
Sorry you may continue your serious discussion now!!:~ohyah!:

[atomicbloke]

OK then rephrase the question to say "If we could destroy all the eggs of the mother of one person, who would it be."

Its a total hypothetical. No need to get technical.

Maybe I should have stated it better.

If Hitler didn't exist, then some other person from the same socio-economic and political situation would have become someone like Hitler.

Same with Saddam.

I didn't mean another egg from the same mom. I meant that these men were the product of the prevailing socio-economic and political situation in their countries in those days.

[BroncoBuff]

When I clicked the thread to open it, I was gonna say Cheney ... but OSWALD is the winner, no doubt. Without Oswald (assuming he acted alone), there wouldda be no Vietnam, and prolly no Watergate. Who knows what might've happened? Hopefully Dick and Lil' Bushie would've never even caught a sniff of higher office.

But to be fair, maybe JFK goes on to have the biggest sex-scandal in all history, and the religious zealots' power rises up in ways that dwarf Watergate and Vietnam.

[gunns]

We don't know whether we would have been stuck in Vietnam. That's speculation. I think there has been bits and pieces of evidence for both sides of that equation. Without President Johnson, it is unlikely that a number of pieces of significant legislation would have been passed. Mr. Kennedy did not possess President Johnson's legislative mastery and ability to get things through. Mr. Kennedy was a career backbencher with little political skill and often shied away from legislative fights over a number of issues, some of which relating to civil rights issues that President Johnson was able to successfully deal with, Johnson/Vietnam begat Nixon? Highly doubtful.

Of course we don't know what happened but have to disagree with you here. We may have still had a Vietnam but I don't know that it would have been escalated to the point it was. It was well known that Kennedy was in the process of pulling out of Vietnam at the time of his death and it has often been figured in the conspiracy theories as to the reason for his death.

As far as the Civil Rights bill, it's a joke that Johnson gets credit for it. He was one of the most racist bastards we've had in the White House. He only did it to raise his own popularity and would have never done it otherwise, because of his own beliefs and his hatred for Robert Kennedy, who was the true architect of the bill.

[Crushaholic]

my ex-girlfriend's husband...

[Stormontheplains]

Ted Kenedy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Garcia Bronco]

Of course we don't know what happened but have to disagree with you here. We may have still had a Vietnam but I don't know that it would have been escalated to the point it was. It was well known that Kennedy was in the process of pulling out of Vietnam at the time of his death and it has often been figured in the conspiracy theories as to the reason for his death.

As far as the Civil Rights bill, it's a joke that Johnson gets credit for it. He was one of the most racist bastards we've had in the White House. He only did it to raise his own popularity and would have never done it otherwise, because of his own beliefs and his hatred for Robert Kennedy, who was the true architect of the bill.

Losing Robert Kennedy was one of the worst things that ever happened to this country. His brother...not so much.


If I could reach back...even though it's outside of 70 years...I would remove Hitler and Himmler

[alkemical]

I wouldn't for anybody. It's all needed. Muderers and all.

[Play2win]

Where is the Ronald Reagan option ??

I think he is exactly who Eisenhower was warning against. The Reagan Administration is where we turned from a manufacturing economy into a service economy. We started turning into a Paper (stocks...) tiger.

Plus, we wouldn't have been blessed with all those really, really horrible movies he "acted" in... ;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Where is the Ronald Reagan option ??

I think he is exactly who Eisenhower was warning against. The Reagan Administration is where we turned from a manufacturing economy into a service economy. We started turning into a Paper (stocks...) tiger.

Plus, we wouldn't have been blessed with all those really, really horrible movies he "acted" in... ;D

:thumbsup: Good call.

[mhgaffney]

Forget wishing about the past. Water under the bridge.

Instead, we should focus on the present: use our collective will to encourage that blood clot in Cheney's leg to break lose and move north into his head.

I can see the history books 30 years hence....

"The clot that cut the neo-cons down to size."

[SoCalBronco]

Forget wishing about the past. Water under the bridge.

Instead, we should focus on the present: use our collective will to encourage that blood clot in Cheney's leg to break lose and move north into his head.

I can see the history books 30 years hence....

"The clot that cut the neo-cons down to size."

Wow.

[Chupacabra]

Wow.

No kidding.

Some people on here are out of their minds.

[orangeatheist]

I wouldn't for anybody. It's all needed. Muderers and all.

Ha ha! I knew it! I read the first few posts and then closed the thread, but I instantly began to wonder: "I'll bet if Clavi posted in there he'd vote for no one. He'd say everything has its purpose." So I reopened the thread and scrolled looking for the lion-deity. Sure enough! My predictive powers are amazing! :yayaya: ;)

[theAPAOps5]

Wow.

I thought for sure he was the Emporer at the State Capital. Guess not, there are some deep underlying anger issues there. Is Dick his daddy did Dumbya not return his fan mail? These are the questions we need answered.

I myself voted Osama Bin Laden for the simple fact he is the one who financed both attacks on the Towers and is the continued reason our soldiers are dying fighting an enemy we have no clue their whole identity. But hey thats just me.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Some people on here are out of their minds.

Those would be the folks who are still carrying water for Cheney/Bush.

:~ohyah!:

[BroncoBuff]

Wow.
No kidding.

Some people on here are out of their minds.
That was nothing compared to the crazy crap Ann Coulter writes. And she sells books.

[alkemical]

Ha ha! I knew it! I read the first few posts and then closed the thread, but I instantly began to wonder: "I'll bet if Clavi posted in there he'd vote for no one. He'd say everything has its purpose." So I reopened the thread and scrolled looking for the lion-deity. Sure enough! My predictive powers are amazing! :yayaya: ;)

Yeah, but it's not for nec. some form of diesm so to speak. I just think that in nature, everything is organized to work. So it has to work in our human society since we have civilization instead of living ferile.

AHA! LOL It looks as if you were wrong! BHAHHAHA!

This is a great of example of: The thinker thinks, the prover proves.

OA automatically assumes a position and then projects the assumed answer. This is why i dont take you seriously. Your objectivity is really lacking.

[Smiling Assassin27]

None of the above. Not my line of work.

I'm with clav on this one. Consequentialism is a lie.

[Chupacabra]

That was nothing compared to the crazy crap Ann Coulter writes. And she sells books.

I agree.

[Chupacabra]

Those would be the folks who are still carrying water for Cheney/Bush.

:~ohyah!:

Not everything is about Cheney/Bush... get over it.

[orangeatheist]

Yeah, but it's not for nec. some form of diesm so to speak. I just think that in nature, everything is organized to work.

Well, duh, Clavi. If it wasn't organized to work what would it do? Not work and then wither away!

But what does everything being organized in nature have to do with offing some idiot from history's past? All that would do would alter history in some unforeseen way. Why is it necessary for the past to unfold exactly as it did? You seem to think it must because you refuse to participate in the speculation of what would occur if something in the past was changed.

Again, your actions are speaking much louder than your words.



So it has to work in our human society since we have civilization instead of living ferile.

But what does that mean? If Oswald, for example, was killed before taking out Kennedy suddenly our civilization would fall into chaos? No. Merely a different set of events would have taken place and the world may or may not look differently than it does today. And then, if someone made a poll about altering the past which would include Oswald killing Kennedy you'd spark up and say, "No. I wouldn't want Oswald to kill Kennedy. It's all needed. Non-murders and all. I just think that in nature, everything is organized to work. So it has to work in our human society since we have civilization instead of living ferile."

You have an aversion to stepping in an altering history regardless of how it unfolds. The question is "why" and it isn't as simple as "I think there's a natural order to things and thus I don't think it should be messed with." What's the order? And why shouldn't it be messed with?


AHA! LOL It looks as if you were wrong! BHAHHAHA!

No. I was dead on. I predicted --based upon my study of your behavior-- how you would react given this subject's question. My prediction was found to be true: You voted not to interfere with history. Not sure what you're laughing about but you seem to find a great deal of unfunny things funny when you get painted into a corner. It's nervous kind of giggle.


This is a great of example of: The thinker thinks, the prover proves.

Exactly. I thought --based upon my study of your behavior--that you would behave in a certain way. I proved that to myself by finding your post that confirmed my prediction. Not only do I think, but I prove, too. That's the difference between you and me. You just like to think a lot. Proof is something for the other guy.


OA automatically assumes a position

"Automatically"? Hardly. It was based upon observation. I had observed how you behaved in the past and made a prediction based upon that observation. It wasn't automatic, it was testing a hypothesis. When tested, I discovered my prediction to be correct (thus confirming my hypothesis about your worldview). You chose not to alter history because you find it "unnatural" and because there is a purpose to what occurs. The purpose? "The natural order of things." Of course "order" remains undefined and the reason for not altering it remains a mystery.


and then projects the assumed answer.

Weird. I didn't write your response, you did. How I could have projected my prediction onto your response? Unless (and you might think this is likely) I was able to holographically think your response for you and that altered a brain cell of yours so that you actually wrote what I thought you'd write but --had I not thought that thought--you would have written something different. Now THAT really would be something!

I didn't assume you'd write the answer you did; I predicted it. Then, to see if I were right, I looked at the posts in the thread and found yours. It said you wouldn't alter history and that is exactly what I thought it'd say.


This is why i dont take you seriously. Your objectivity is really lacking.

Wow. Talk about projecting. I think to any rational person who doesn't equate science and spirituality, it's rather obvious which of the two of us is more objective (and rational).

By the way, I haven't manifested any quarters out of the universe yet. Unless you count the change I got at McDonalds. Perhaps I manifested and projected my desire for a quarter onto Juan who gave me my change after I ordered my Big Mac. Ya think?

[yavoon]

the ppl who take guns, germs, steel too literally are wacked. ppl matter, especially on a scale of just a century, or just a couple decades. hitler(or the person ruling at his time) could have easily been say, a nationalist/isolationist. or perhaps an overly neurotic xenophobe. instead of an hyper aggressive supremacist warmonger. or perhaps they could have been totally inept, or corrupt.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Not everything is about Cheney/Bush... get over it.

You missed the point, i.e., that it's always ironic to hear someone who is still carrying water for Bush/Cheney at this stage of the game accusing someone else of being out of his mind.

It's sort of like a bank robber saying about a shoplifter "man, that guy sure is a crook."

[Chupacabra]

You missed the point, i.e., that it's always ironic to hear someone who is still carrying water for Bush/Cheney at this stage of the game accusing someone else of being out of his mind.

It's sort of like a bank robber saying about a shoplifter "man, that guy sure is a crook."

How much water? :)

You don't have to be out of your mind to still support some of the Bush administration's policies.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

How much water? :)

You don't have to be out of your mind to still support some of the Bush administration's policies.

But you have to be out of your mind to believe that whatever you can find that is good (by nearly any definition) about this administration even begins to offset the bad.

[skpac1001]

the ppl who take guns, germs, steel too literally are wacked. ppl matter, especially on a scale of just a century, or just a couple decades. hitler(or the person ruling at his time) could have easily been say, a nationalist/isolationist. or perhaps an overly neurotic xenophobe. instead of an hyper aggressive supremacist warmonger. or perhaps they could have been totally inept, or corrupt.

Hitler is a bad example. He didnt create the Nazi party, and was far from the only psycho in it. Even if the Nazi party didnt control Germany, WW2 would have happened (Germany began breaking treaties and rearming before the Nazi's came to power), because it was the only way Germany could escape the hyperinflation France forced on them with the treaty of WW1. Maybe a better example would be whoever made the call in France to resist USA and England's request for a fair treaty and decided to stick it to Germany.

[skpac1001]

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[codeman]

Ted Kenedy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll go with this one. Who knows? Mary Jo might have invented the cure for some nasty bad disease.