Impeach Bush now, or else...

[mhgaffney]

Once again, Paul Craig Roberts has it exactly right.

July 16, 2007

Impeach Now

Or Face the End of Constitutional Democracy

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
posted today at Counterpunch.org

Unless Congress immediately impeaches Bush and Cheney, a year from now the US could be a dictatorial police state at war with Iran.

Bush has put in place all the necessary measures for dictatorship in the form of "executive orders" that are triggered whenever Bush declares a national emergency. Recent statements by Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff, former Republican senator Rick Santorum and others suggest that Americans might expect a series of staged, or false flag, "terrorist" events in the near future.

Many attentive people believe that the reason the Bush administration will not bow to expert advice and public opinion and begin withdrawing US troops from Iraq is that the administration intends to rescue its unpopular position with false flag operations that can be used to expand the war to Iran.

Too much is going wrong for the Bush administration: the failure of its Middle East wars, Republican senators jumping ship, Turkish troops massed on northern Iraq's border poised for an invasion to deal with Kurds, and a majority of Americans favoring the impeachment of Cheney and a near-majority favoring Bush's impeachment. The Bush administration desperately needs dramatic events to scare the American people and the Congress back in line with the militarist-police state that Bush and Cheney have fostered.

William Norman Grigg recently wrote that the GOP is "praying for a terrorist strike" to save the party from electoral wipeout in 2008.
Chertoff, Cheney, the neocon nazis, and Mossad would have no qualms about saving the bacon for the Republicans, who have enabled Bush to start two unjustified wars, with Iran waiting in the wings to be attacked in a third war.

The Bush administration has tried unsuccessfully to resurrect the terrorist fear factor by infiltrating some blowhard groups and encouraging them to talk about staging "terrorist" events. The talk, encouraged by federal agents, resulted in "terrorist" arrests hyped by the media, but even the captive media was unable to scare people with such transparent sting operations.

If the Bush administration wants to continue its wars in the Middle East and to entrench the "unitary executive" at home, it will have to conduct some false flag operations that will both frighten and anger the American people and make them accept Bush's declaration of "national emergency" and the return of the draft. Alternatively, the administration could simply allow any real terrorist plot to proceed without hindrance.

A series of staged or permitted attacks would be spun by the captive media as a vindication of the neoconsevatives' Islamophobic policy, the intention of which is to destroy all Middle Eastern governments that are not American puppet states. Success would give the US control over oil, but the main purpose is to eliminate any resistance to Israel's complete absorption of Palestine into Greater Israel.

Think about it. If another 9/11-type "security failure" were not in the works, why would Homeland Security czar Chertoff go to the trouble of convincing the Chicago Tribune that Americans have become complacent about terrorist threats and that he has "a gut feeling" that America will soon be hit hard?

Why would Republican warmonger Rick Santorum say on the Hugh Hewitt radio show that "between now and November, a lot of things are going to happen, and I believe that by this time next year, the American public's (sic) going to have a very different view of this war."

Throughout its existence the US government has staged incidents that the government then used in behalf of purposes that it could not otherwise have pursued. According to a number of writers, false flag operations have been routinely used by the Israeli state. During the Czarist era in Russia, the secret police would set off bombs in order to arrest those the secret police regarded as troublesome. Hitler was a dramatic orchestrator of false flag operations. False flag operations are a commonplace tool of governments.

Ask yourself: Would a government that has lied us into two wars and is working to lie us into an attack on Iran shrink from staging "terrorist" attacks in order to remove opposition to its agenda?

Only a diehard minority believes in the honesty and integrity of the Bush-Cheney administration and in the truthfulness of the corporate media.

Hitler, who never achieved majority support in a German election, used the Reichstag fire to fan hysteria and push through the Enabling Act, which made him dictator. Determined tyrants never require majority support in order to overthrow constitutional orders.

The American constitutional system is near to being overthrown. Are coming "terrorist" events of which Chertoff warns and Santorum promises the means for overthrowing our constitutional democracy?

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.He can be reached at: PaulCraigRoberts@yahoo.com

[Chupacabra]

Gimme a fn break

[baja]

Once again, Paul Craig Roberts has it exactly right.

July 16, 2007

Impeach Now

Or Face the End of Constitutional Democracy

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
posted today at Counterpunch.org

Unless Congress immediately impeaches Bush and Cheney, a year from now the US could be a dictatorial police state at war with Iran.

Bush has put in place all the necessary measures for dictatorship in the form of "executive orders" that are triggered whenever Bush declares a national emergency. Recent statements by Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff, former Republican senator Rick Santorum and others suggest that Americans might expect a series of staged, or false flag, "terrorist" events in the near future.

Many attentive people believe that the reason the Bush administration will not bow to expert advice and public opinion and begin withdrawing US troops from Iraq is that the administration intends to rescue its unpopular position with false flag operations that can be used to expand the war to Iran.

Too much is going wrong for the Bush administration: the failure of its Middle East wars, Republican senators jumping ship, Turkish troops massed on northern Iraq's border poised for an invasion to deal with Kurds, and a majority of Americans favoring the impeachment of Cheney and a near-majority favoring Bush's impeachment. The Bush administration desperately needs dramatic events to scare the American people and the Congress back in line with the militarist-police state that Bush and Cheney have fostered.

William Norman Grigg recently wrote that the GOP is "praying for a terrorist strike" to save the party from electoral wipeout in 2008.
Chertoff, Cheney, the neocon nazis, and Mossad would have no qualms about saving the bacon for the Republicans, who have enabled Bush to start two unjustified wars, with Iran waiting in the wings to be attacked in a third war.

The Bush administration has tried unsuccessfully to resurrect the terrorist fear factor by infiltrating some blowhard groups and encouraging them to talk about staging "terrorist" events. The talk, encouraged by federal agents, resulted in "terrorist" arrests hyped by the media, but even the captive media was unable to scare people with such transparent sting operations.

If the Bush administration wants to continue its wars in the Middle East and to entrench the "unitary executive" at home, it will have to conduct some false flag operations that will both frighten and anger the American people and make them accept Bush's declaration of "national emergency" and the return of the draft. Alternatively, the administration could simply allow any real terrorist plot to proceed without hindrance.

A series of staged or permitted attacks would be spun by the captive media as a vindication of the neoconsevatives' Islamophobic policy, the intention of which is to destroy all Middle Eastern governments that are not American puppet states. Success would give the US control over oil, but the main purpose is to eliminate any resistance to Israel's complete absorption of Palestine into Greater Israel.

Think about it. If another 9/11-type "security failure" were not in the works, why would Homeland Security czar Chertoff go to the trouble of convincing the Chicago Tribune that Americans have become complacent about terrorist threats and that he has "a gut feeling" that America will soon be hit hard?

Why would Republican warmonger Rick Santorum say on the Hugh Hewitt radio show that "between now and November, a lot of things are going to happen, and I believe that by this time next year, the American public's (sic) going to have a very different view of this war."

Throughout its existence the US government has staged incidents that the government then used in behalf of purposes that it could not otherwise have pursued. According to a number of writers, false flag operations have been routinely used by the Israeli state. During the Czarist era in Russia, the secret police would set off bombs in order to arrest those the secret police regarded as troublesome. Hitler was a dramatic orchestrator of false flag operations. False flag operations are a commonplace tool of governments.

Ask yourself: Would a government that has lied us into two wars and is working to lie us into an attack on Iran shrink from staging "terrorist" attacks in order to remove opposition to its agenda?

Only a diehard minority believes in the honesty and integrity of the Bush-Cheney administration and in the truthfulness of the corporate media.

Hitler, who never achieved majority support in a German election, used the Reichstag fire to fan hysteria and push through the Enabling Act, which made him dictator. Determined tyrants never require majority support in order to overthrow constitutional orders.

The American constitutional system is near to being overthrown. Are coming "terrorist" events of which Chertoff warns and Santorum promises the means for overthrowing our constitutional democracy?

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.He can be reached at: PaulCraigRoberts@yahoo.com

That's what I been trying to tell ya......

[TheDave]

If it isn't scare tactics from one side it's from the other... people really need to think of a new tactic to get their point across.

[baja]

If it isn't scare tactics from one side it's from the other... people really need to think of a new tactic to get their point across.

Dave you were slow to see the light about how bad a president Bush is maybe this is a case of you not being able to think such a thing possible by any American leadership.

I believe these are desperate people who believe they are taking the hard decisions because they think they know what is best for America.

I think a false flag attack is very possible given the track record of this administration.

Dave they lied us into a war is a false flag attack such a big leap ?

[TheDave]

Dave you were slow to seethe light about how bad a president Bush is maybe this is a case of you not being able to think such a thing possible by any American leadership.

I believe these are desperate people who believe they are taking the head decisions because they know what is best for America.

I think a false flag attack is very possible given the track record of this administration.

Dave they lied us into a war is a false flag attack such a big leap ?

First off, I voted for Gore in 2000. Yes me a registered Republican voted for a Democrat for the first time. Hell I even voted for Dole. I saw this POS for what he was a long time ago.

I agree these are desperate and despicable people, but the scenario that is being put forth here is HIGHLY improbable. Going to war with Iran is complete and total suicide. It will require a draft and could end up involving China and Russia. That would end up as WWIII and i'm not so confidant we are on the winning side if that happens. Is it possible... yes. But with the odds stacked at 100 to 1, I consider it nothing more than fear mongering. I didn't accept it from the republicans, and I refuse to fall for it when it comes from the other side of the fence.

[baja]

the dave please do not apply logic to this group. They have an agenda that is not clear to us.

I honestly believe they are not ready to roll over and die.

Whatever they are committed to they are dead serious about it.

Sorry for thinking you were a late comer to the realization Bush = bad.

[TheDave]

the dave please do not apply logic to this group. They have an agenda that is not clear to us.

I honestly believe they are not ready to roll over and die.

Whatever they are committed to they are dead serous about it.

Sorry for thinking you were a late comer to the realization Bush = bad.

Sadly I think they got what they wanted... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Think about the billions this group has made for the Oil and Defense industries. Money is power in this world. I doubt legacey or title means anything to them anymore.

[Lev Vyvanse]

Hitler, who never achieved majority support in a German election.

Thats a ****ing joke. Do you even know why?

[yavoon]

ok so can we get some mustard behind this. if we dont impeach bush AND constitutional democracy doesn't end what then? u just jump to next over the top the rapture is nigh conspiracy theory?

[baja]

Sadly I think they got what they wanted... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Think about the billions this group has made for the Oil and Defense industries. Money is power in this world. I doubt legacey or title means anything to them anymore.

Come on Dave this is a guy that believes God talks to him.

They already had money.

[codeman]

The U.S. has been structured with enough safeguards to prevent that form happening.

Just for the sake of argument, what would the charges be?

How about something factual and not something that is only innuendo or urban legend.

[codeman]

the dave please do not apply logic to this group. They have an agenda that is not clear to us.

I honestly believe they are not ready to roll over and die.

Whatever they are committed to they are dead serious about it.

Sorry for thinking you were a late comer to the realization Bush = bad.

I always thought it was Clinton = scumbag. But then I'm pretty new too.

[freak6]

Just for the sake of argument, what would the charges be?


Illegal wiretapping

Fraud against America

Tillman

9/11

Yellowcake

Here is a great breakdown of the charges.

http://www.amazon.com/United-States-George-Bush-al/dp/1583227563

The author is a 20 year veteran prosecutor for the Justice Department.

[baja]

Memo to codeman;

Clinton is not in office

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Alternatively, the administration could simply allow any real terrorist plot to proceed without hindrance.

You mean like they did on 9/11?

[TheDave]

Come on Dave this is a guy that believes God talks to him.

They already had money.

I don't think there is a religious bone in his body... He says crap like that so that the evangelicals will continue to support him.

and as for the money... when has enough ever been enough

[mosca]

Thats a ****ing joke. Do you even know why?
Hitler never achieved a majority in any popular election. Hindenburg appointed him chancellor, and it was the vote of the Reichstag passing the Enabling Act of 1933 that granted him dictatorial power.

[baja]

I don't think there is a religious bone in his body... He says crap like that so that the evangelicals will continue to support him.

and as for the money... when has enough ever been enough

Why do people continually over estimate Bush, I think what you see is what you get. He is just not that smart. I guess the question is what is the agenda of the one/s that control him.

The one thing I feel sure about is that with Bush it is not about money.

[freak6]

Why do people continually over estimate Bush, I think what you see is what you get. He is just not that smart. I guess the question is what is the agenda of the one/s that control him.

The one thing I feel sure about is that with Bush it is not about money.

Carlyle Group.

Haliburton.

Exxon.

Blackwater.

Many more corporations I've never heard of.

I think money plays a part.

"money trumps peace"- G Dubya

Also I think the fact he has 3 inches and is still trying to make up for it.

He is still trying to make Daddy proud.

His psycho "religious" beliefs.

He is a puppet of Cheney's.

A failure at everything he has touched, this is his chance to do something on his own.

<b>You give a former retard moron male cheerleader some real power, it will lead to massive disaster. </b>

His daddy had to FORCE him into Skull and Bones, he wanted to be in a frat where he could drink beer, get more DUIs, and chase girls.

[Lev Vyvanse]

Hitler never achieved a majority in any popular election.

How many party's did voters have to choose from?

[mhgaffney]

The Nazis burned the Reichstag -- then blamed it on the Communists. They found some half wit in a nearby alley and staged a kangaroo trial -- then executed the poor inncent bastard.

Then it was on the races.

The Nazi agenda required a scapegoat -- just like the neo cons today. One can argue there are differences -- and that is correct -- but what should concern us most are the obvious parallels.

Remember, Iran's Bushehr reactor will go on line in the near future. Preliminary tests are to begin in a couple of months. The Russians have delayed the delivery of the 3% enriched uranium that will power the reactor -- but they cannot delay indefinitely. Once the fuel has been loaded -- any attack by Israel or the US will cause another Chernobyl. This means a limited window in which to act.

Time is running out for Bush. We are approachng the wire.

[Traveler]

Why do people continually over estimate Bush, I think what you see is what you get. He is just not that smart. I guess the question is what is the agenda of the one/s that control him.

The one thing I feel sure about is that with Bush it is not about money.

If anything, I think people under estimate the guy. He may not be that intelligent. But with help from others, he has gotten away with more than any other president.

Do I personally think he is the brains behind all that has transpired over the last 7 years? Probaly not. But if the spineless (thusfar) Democratic leadership doesn't start taking a tougher stand and protect our Constitution, Bush and his cabal may just take us farther into the depths of destruction.

[theAPAOps5]

Its funny gaffney has a sheep watching Dumbya. Because he is a sheep to his guys as well. Still waiting for that attack on Iran that Russian Generals mail man's, brother who knows this guy who heard this lady who said that America is going to attack any minute.

Baaaa Baaaa Baaaa Gaffney, can't wait to see what you post from your hearders next.

[Bronco Bob]

Its funny gaffney has a sheep watching Dumbya. Because he is a sheep to his guys as well. Still waiting for that attack on Iran that Russian Generals mail man's, brother who knows this guy who heard this lady who said that America is going to attack any minute.

Baaaa Baaaa Baaaa Gaffney, can't wait to see what you post from your hearders next.

Just to be fair to Gaffney on that one though, there were several Russian
newspapers that were running the very same story. I even posted the links
to those. Afterwards the Russians were claiming because they had exposed
the plot and had threatened to wade in on Iran's side the US backed down.
I doubt if any of this really happened, but Gaffney wasn't the only one
making those claims.

[theAPAOps5]

Just to be fair to Gaffney on that one though, there were several Russian
newspapers that were running the very same story. I even posted the links
to those. Afterwards the Russians were claiming because they had exposed
the plot and had threatened to wade in on Iran's side the US backed down.
I doubt if any of this really happened, but Gaffney wasn't the only one
making those claims.

Then I will let that one go. But damn it I spent 3 days sheltered in my basement. Never again will I trust the Russians. :angel:

[W*GS]

I think the prospect of the Bush administration choosing a scorched earth policy (going down in flames) is quite remote.

[bcbronc]

something I've been wondering about that is somewhat related:

what would have to happen to allow bush to constitutionally delay the next presidential election? is this even possible?

[W*GS]

I don't believe it's possible.

[Garcia Bronco]

something I've been wondering about that is somewhat related:

what would have to happen to allow bush to constitutionally delay the next presidential election? is this even possible?

No it's not.

[RkyMtnThunder]

Just a hunch.....its not going to happen...any of it

No impeachment (although I would support that)

and no war in Iran. As much as the right-wingnuts might want that (wtf is wrong with them?!?), and as much as the left wingnuts are blowing that idea up in hopes to lure more support their way...

I just dont see it happening in the end.. (thank god)

[freak6]

I just dont see it happening in the end.. (thank god)

Me either, but the incredible amount of hubris this administration has shown thus far, an attempt to do so would not suprise me.

But the people would never support it. If Bush tried to go to war with Iran, who is willing to let inspectors in now, I think you might see a coup, no stih.

[baja]

God W*GS that is a really really bad photo of Hillary if in fact that is who that is.

[codeman]

Memo to codeman;

Clinton is not in office

Memo to baja fan:

What has that to do with anything in the thread? The definition was in line with the one you put up about Bush. Clinton is still a douche bag.

Hey baja, get off the steroids, get off the crack, get off the pot.

[codeman]

Illegal wiretapping

Fraud against America

Tillman

9/11

Yellowcake

Here is a great breakdown of the charges.

http://www.amazon.com/United-States-George-Bush-al/dp/1583227563

The author is a 20 year veteran prosecutor for the Justice Department.

You are really eating this stuff up arent' you?

I hope you have a full pitcher of the liberal kool aid to swallow it.

It's all opinion from a liberal. There is no credibility to her charges.

[baja]

Memo to baja fan:

What has that to do with anything in the thread?

Hey baja, get off the steroids, get off the crack, get off the pot.

You're really making a nice first impression.

Go ahead and use Clinton's gaffs to explain away Bush's disaster of a presidency.

[RkyMtnThunder]

You are really eating this stuff up arent' you?

I hope you have a full pitcher of the liberal kool aid to swallow it.

It's all opinion from a liberal. There is no credibility to her charges.





LOL - typical wingnut. do you have anything original to say....at all?


I mean

bash Clinton: check

spout out 'liberal' as often as possible: check

get panties in bunch anytime Bush name is mentioned in poor light: check

deny everything, bring nothing to the discussion except piss & vinegar: check

[codeman]

You're really making a nice first impression.

Go ahead and use Clinton's gaffs to explain away Bush's disaster of a presidency.

I'm just pointing out that your definition of Bush matches my definition of clinton during his disaster while president.

You need to take a chill pill and understand that not everyone hates the current president and not everyone loved clinton.

[codeman]

LOL - typical wingnut. do you have anything original to say....at all?


I mean

bash Clinton: check

spout out 'liberal' as often as possible: check

get panties in bunch anytime Bush name is mentioned in poor light: check

deny everything, bring nothing to the discussion except piss & vinegar: check

Typical leftist wingnut. Don't you have anything original to say?

I mean:

bash Bush: Check

Get panties in a bunch anytime Clinton is compared to Bush regarding anything: Check

Attack anyone that doesn't agree with the LWNJ commentary that you spew: Check.

[freak6]

There is no credibility to her charges.

Did Bush break the laws of the constitution when he started illegally wiretapping Americans

<font size=6> BEFORE 9/11???

[Garcia Bronco]

Hitler never achieved a majority in any popular election. Hindenburg appointed him chancellor, and it was the vote of the Reichstag passing the Enabling Act of 1933 that granted him dictatorial power.

Hinderberg appointed him because of his popularity for fear of civil war as their economy depressed further and further.

[mhgaffney]

Hinderberg appointed him because of his popularity for fear of civil war as their economy depressed further and further.

The German industrialists supported Hitler -- thinking they could control him. They were very wrong.

[mhgaffney]

Pat Buchanan has been known to hit the nail on the money. Mind you, this is not chicken little screaming about the sky falling. Rather, this is prophetic stuff. This is the writing on the wall. I see it too. What's the matter with some of yoose guys? Are you deaf?

Buchanan worries that the neo cons will do the deed, next month -- while everyone is on vacation. The sneaky bastards.

Tonkin Gulf II and the Guns of August?

By Patrick J. Buchanan

07/17/07 "WorldNet Daily -- -- " -- -- Is the United States provoking war with Iran, to begin while the Congress is conveniently on its August recess?

One recalls that it was in August 1964, after the Republicans nominated Barry Goldwater, that the Tonkin Gulf incident occurred.

Twice it was said, on Aug. 2 and Aug. 4, North Vietnamese patrol boats had attacked the U.S. destroyers Maddox and Turner Joy in international waters. The U.S. Senate responded by voting 88 to 2 to authorize President Johnson to assist any Southeast Asian nation whose government was threatened by communist aggression.

The bombing of the North began, followed by the arrival of U.S. Marines. America's war was on.

As Congress prepares for its August recess, the probability of U.S. air strikes on Iran rises with each week. A third carrier, the USS Enterprise, and its battle group is joining the Nimitz and Stennis in the largest concentration of U.S. naval power ever off the coast of Iran.

And Tonkin Gulf II may have already occurred.

In Baghdad, on July 1, Gen. Kevin J. Bergner charged that Iranians planned the January raid in Karbala, using commandos in American-style uniforms, that resulted in the death of five U.S. soldiers.

As the New York Times reports, this "marks the first time that the United States has charged that Iranian officials have helped plan operations against American troops in Iraq and have had advance knowledge of specific attacks that have led to the death of American soldiers."

The Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards is using Hezbollah to train Shiites to attack our soldiers and providing them with enhanced IEDs that have killed scores of U.S. troops, Bergner charged. He says we have captured a veteran Hezbollah agent and documents pointing to direct Iranian complicity in the Karbala raid.

Iran has denounced the charge as "ridiculous." But the Senate has voted 97-0 to censure Iran for complicity in killing the Americans.

If what Bergner alleges is true, President Bush has not only the right but appears to have the blessing of Congress to attack Iran. And he now has the naval and air forces at hand. What is stopping him?

For it is surely not Congress, which buried a resolution last spring declaring that Bush must come to Congress before taking us into a new war in the Middle East. Congress appears to be signaling Bush: "If you want to hit Iran, you have the green light. No need to consult us."

Is this yet another abdication by Congress of its moral and constitutional duty to decide when and whether America goes to war?

And something smells awfully fishy here.

Iran has no interest in a war with the United States, which it seems to be toying with. Iran supports the pro-American Shia regime in Baghdad. And the al-Qaida umbrella group in Iraq, which is our mortal enemy, has just warned Iran it faces terror attacks if it does not stop supporting Shiites in Iraq.

Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, who leads the al-Qaida group known as the Islamic State in Iraq, says his fighters have been preparing for four years for war on Iran:

"We are giving the Persians, and especially the rulers of Iran, a two-month period to end all kinds of support for the Iraqi Shiite government and to stop direct and indirect intervention – otherwise a severe war is waiting for you," al-Baghdadi said in a 50-minute videotape.

Al-Baghdadi also warned Arab Sunnis in the region who do business with Shiites in Iran that they were inviting assassination.

Query: If Iran's ally, the Maliki government, is our ally, and if Iran's enemy, al-Qaida in Iraq, is our enemy, why would Iran use the Quds Force to attack Americans and risk U.S. retaliation?

Killing Americans in Iraq is not going to defeat the United States. But it could trigger heavy U.S. retaliation, not only on the Quds Force, but on Iran's nuclear facilities – and a war with the United States. Yet Iran's diplomatic behavior suggests it wishes to avoid such a war.

Another explanation comes to mind. Iran is not initiating, but is responding to U.S.-inspired attacks inside Iran, in the Kurdish north, the Arab southwest and the Baluchi southeast of its country. Was Karbala an attempted kidnapping to exchange U.S. soldiers for the five Iranian "diplomats" we are holding?

Has Bush secretly authorized covert attacks inside Iran? Are U.S. and Israeli agents in Kurdistan behind the attacks across the border to provoke Iran? On July 11, Iranian troops clashed with Kurd rebels inside Iran, and the Iranians fired artillery back into Iraq.

Why is Congress going on vacation? Why are a Democratic-controlled House and Senate not asking these questions in public hearings? Why is Congress letting Bush and Vice President Cheney decide whether we launch a third war in the Middle East?

Or is Congress in on it?

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All Rights Reserved. WorldNetDaily.com Inc.

[Rigs11]

Did Bush break the laws of the constitution when he started illegally wiretapping Americans

<font size=6> BEFORE 9/11???

Yep he was guilty before and after.Anyone who continues to defend this POS should see a shrink.

[freak6]

Yep he was guilty before and after.

Spread the word.

<b>Bush was illegally wiretapping us BEFORE 9/11.

IMPEACH THIS POS AND HIS PUPPET GEE DUBYA!!!!!!!

[baja]

Pat Buchanan has been known to hit the nail on the money. Mind you, this is not chicken little screaming about the sky falling. Rather, this is prophetic stuff. This is the writing on the wall. I see it too. What's the matter with some of yoose guys? Are you deaf?

Buchanan worries that the neo cons will do the deed, next month -- while everyone is on vacation. The sneaky bastards.

Tonkin Gulf II and the Guns of August?

By Patrick J. Buchanan

07/17/07 "WorldNet Daily -- -- " -- -- Is the United States provoking war with Iran, to begin while the Congress is conveniently on its August recess?

One recalls that it was in August 1964, after the Republicans nominated Barry Goldwater, that the Tonkin Gulf incident occurred.

Twice it was said, on Aug. 2 and Aug. 4, North Vietnamese patrol boats had attacked the U.S. destroyers Maddox and Turner Joy in international waters. The U.S. Senate responded by voting 88 to 2 to authorize President Johnson to assist any Southeast Asian nation whose government was threatened by communist aggression.

The bombing of the North began, followed by the arrival of U.S. Marines. America's war was on.

As Congress prepares for its August recess, the probability of U.S. air strikes on Iran rises with each week. A third carrier, the USS Enterprise, and its battle group is joining the Nimitz and Stennis in the largest concentration of U.S. naval power ever off the coast of Iran.

And Tonkin Gulf II may have already occurred.

In Baghdad, on July 1, Gen. Kevin J. Bergner charged that Iranians planned the January raid in Karbala, using commandos in American-style uniforms, that resulted in the death of five U.S. soldiers.

As the New York Times reports, this "marks the first time that the United States has charged that Iranian officials have helped plan operations against American troops in Iraq and have had advance knowledge of specific attacks that have led to the death of American soldiers."

The Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards is using Hezbollah to train Shiites to attack our soldiers and providing them with enhanced IEDs that have killed scores of U.S. troops, Bergner charged. He says we have captured a veteran Hezbollah agent and documents pointing to direct Iranian complicity in the Karbala raid.

Iran has denounced the charge as "ridiculous." But the Senate has voted 97-0 to censure Iran for complicity in killing the Americans.

If what Bergner alleges is true, President Bush has not only the right but appears to have the blessing of Congress to attack Iran. And he now has the naval and air forces at hand. What is stopping him?

For it is surely not Congress, which buried a resolution last spring declaring that Bush must come to Congress before taking us into a new war in the Middle East. Congress appears to be signaling Bush: "If you want to hit Iran, you have the green light. No need to consult us."

Is this yet another abdication by Congress of its moral and constitutional duty to decide when and whether America goes to war?

And something smells awfully fishy here.

Iran has no interest in a war with the United States, which it seems to be toying with. Iran supports the pro-American Shia regime in Baghdad. And the al-Qaida umbrella group in Iraq, which is our mortal enemy, has just warned Iran it faces terror attacks if it does not stop supporting Shiites in Iraq.

Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, who leads the al-Qaida group known as the Islamic State in Iraq, says his fighters have been preparing for four years for war on Iran:

"We are giving the Persians, and especially the rulers of Iran, a two-month period to end all kinds of support for the Iraqi Shiite government and to stop direct and indirect intervention – otherwise a severe war is waiting for you," al-Baghdadi said in a 50-minute videotape.

Al-Baghdadi also warned Arab Sunnis in the region who do business with Shiites in Iran that they were inviting assassination.

Query: If Iran's ally, the Maliki government, is our ally, and if Iran's enemy, al-Qaida in Iraq, is our enemy, why would Iran use the Quds Force to attack Americans and risk U.S. retaliation?

Killing Americans in Iraq is not going to defeat the United States. But it could trigger heavy U.S. retaliation, not only on the Quds Force, but on Iran's nuclear facilities – and a war with the United States. Yet Iran's diplomatic behavior suggests it wishes to avoid such a war.

Another explanation comes to mind. Iran is not initiating, but is responding to U.S.-inspired attacks inside Iran, in the Kurdish north, the Arab southwest and the Baluchi southeast of its country. Was Karbala an attempted kidnapping to exchange U.S. soldiers for the five Iranian "diplomats" we are holding?

Has Bush secretly authorized covert attacks inside Iran? Are U.S. and Israeli agents in Kurdistan behind the attacks across the border to provoke Iran? On July 11, Iranian troops clashed with Kurd rebels inside Iran, and the Iranians fired artillery back into Iraq.

Why is Congress going on vacation? Why are a Democratic-controlled House and Senate not asking these questions in public hearings? Why is Congress letting Bush and Vice President Cheney decide whether we launch a third war in the Middle East?

Or is Congress in on it?

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DID YOU GUYS READ THIS

THIS IS NOT FROM JOE NOSE PUSS IT'S PAT BUCHANAN

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?

[mosca]

How many party's did voters have to choose from?
Results of 1932 German presidential election:

First round:
Candidate Votes (%) Party membership
Paul von Hindenburg 18,652,000 (49.6) None
Adolf Hitler 11,339,000 (30.1) Nazi Party (NSDAP)
Ernst Thälmann 4,983,000 (13.2) Communist Party (KPD)
Theodor Duesterberg 2,558,000 (6.8) German National People's Party (DNVP)

Second round:
Candidate Votes (%) Party membership
Paul von Hindenburg 19,360,000 (53.0) None
Adolf Hitler 13,418,000 (36.8) Nazi Party (NSDAP)
Ernst Thälmann 3,707,000 (10.2) Communist Party (KPD)

[mosca]

Hinderberg appointed him because of his popularity for fear of civil war as their economy depressed further and further.
Hindenburg was a halfway senile old idiot. He was 85 when he named Hitler chancellor and he died the next year.

[freak6]

I despise yet respect Pat Buchanon, that is some scary sht.

[TailgateNut]

I'm just pointing out that your definition of Bush matches my definition of clinton during his disaster while president.

You need to take a chill pill and understand that not everyone hates the current president and not everyone loved clinton.

Clinton's disaster??? WTF are you smoking?

...and NO WE don't need to take a "chill pill". You would love for everyone to act like lemmings and follow this nightmare of a presidency over the cliff.

[baja]

I'm just pointing out that your definition of Bush matches my definition of clinton during his disaster while president.

You need to take a chill pill and understand that not everyone hates the current president and not everyone loved clinton.

A chill pill???

Go look in the mirror.

[baja]

codeman is like a German women I meant years ago who argued that the holocaust never happened, that it was a creation of the jews to elicit sympathy.

[TheDave]

DID YOU GUYS READ THIS

THIS IS NOT FROM JOE NOSE PUSS IT'S PAT BUCHANAN

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?

Our Military will not attck Iran during GWB's time left in office...

Would you like to wager on this?

[TailgateNut]

Our Military will not attck Iran during GWB's time left in office...

Would you like to wager on this?


Does this include clandestine operations and Covert CIA operations. If it does, you most likely have lost the bet already, because many of them are supported by the military.
Always look before leaping!

Is a Dare a form of attack?

[mosca]

Does this include clandestine operations and Covert CIA operations. If it does, you most likely have lost the bet already, because many of them are supported by the military.
Always look before leaping!
Clandestine operations are happening already, likely on both sides... I'm sure we've got CIA and Special Forces operating in Iran, and the Iranians have people working in Iraq (see the Karbala incident).

A full-blown war between both countries, unlike the current proxy war, would have disastrous consequences for both at the current time.

[baja]

Our Military will not attck Iran during GWB's time left in office...

Would you like to wager on this?

No Dave because I would hate to "win" the wager.

[TheDave]

No Dave because I would hate to "win" the wager.

Fair enough... but i was hopping with you track record (Darius Watts) just the act of you betting would get Bush impeached. :)

[codeman]

codeman is like a German women I meant years ago who argued that the holocaust never happened, that it was a creation of the jews to elicit sympathy.

baja fan is like a woman I met in Tijuana in 1971. She worked at the Hotel Linda. Best part of that trip was watching her pick up a football and make it disappear without using her hands. Your hooch is about that size.

[mhgaffney]

Our Military will not attck Iran during GWB's time left in office...

Would you like to wager on this?

You look pretty silly, Dave, with that stogie sticking out of your toothless grin.

The fact is --- you've already lost the bet -- because the US has ALREADY attacked Iran. We are already at war. According to Sy Hersh we've had special forces operating in Iran for many months. If true, this is a violation of Iran's sovereignty -- an act of war.

Numerous terrorist attacks and bombings inside Iran have also been attributed to US-supported opposition groups.

Not to mention violations of Iranian airspace by the US military -- and the three carrier battle groups now sitting off the Iranian coast.

I'll give your money back, though. I hate to fleece an old codger.

[freak6]

baja fan is like a woman I met in Tijuana in 1971. She worked at the Hotel Linda. Best part of that trip was watching her pick up a football and make it disappear without using her hands. Your hooch is about that size.

Ooh, burn...

[TheDave]

You look pretty silly, Dave, with that stogie sticking out of your toothless grin.

The fact is --- you've already lost the bet -- because the US has ALREADY attacked Iran. We are already at war. According to Sy Hersh we've had special forces operating in Iran for many months. If true, this is a violation of Iran's sovereignty -- an act of war.

Numerous terrorist attacks and bombings inside Iran have also been attributed to US-supported opposition groups.

Not to mention violations of Iranian airspace by the US military -- and the three carrier battle groups now sitting off the Iranian coast.

I'll give your money back, though. I hate to fleece an old codger.

Let me guess... these actions are just a build up until we release the "Mini-Nuke" on them. :thumbsup:

[Spider]

baja fan is like a woman I met in Tijuana in 1971. She worked at the Hotel Linda. Best part of that trip was watching her pick up a football and make it disappear without using her hands. Your hooch is about that size.

so are you gay ? been watching Baja bend over ? or watching some other guy bend over and wishing it was Baja ?

[Bronco Bob]

so are you gay ? been watching Baja bend over ? or watching some other guy bend over and wishing it was Baja ?

You have to wonder about people like Codeman who have such vivid
thoughts about homosexuality. I'm thinking we have another
Ted Haggard here.

[Spider]

You have to wonder about people like Codeman who have such vivid
thoughts about homosexuality. I'm thinking we have another
Ted Haggard here.

;D he was probably molested by a family member or a catholic preacher ........

[baja]

so are you gay ? been watching Baja bend over ? or watching some other guy bend over and wishing it was Baja ?

DUDE !!! Don't make me come up there... ;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

baja fan is like a woman I met in Tijuana in 1971. She worked at the Hotel Linda. Best part of that trip was watching her pick up a football and make it disappear without using her hands. Your hooch is about that size.

You do the "family values" party proud.

[mhgaffney]

I'm starting a new thread

This one has pissed itself into a dribble

[Bronco Bob]

I'm starting a new thread

This one has pissed itself into a dribble

So will the next one.