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Bronco_Beerslug
07-16-2007, 09:36 AM
Interesting story to say the least! The European Union has already went this way. I wonder if it's only a matter of time until we do?

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U.S. to merge with Mexico and Canada? (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/07/16/jerome_corsi/)

In his new bestseller, Jerome "Swift boat" Corsi explains how immigration will destroy American sovereignty and the "amero" will replace the dollar.

By Alex Koppelman

Pages 1 2 (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/07/16/jerome_corsi/index1.html) 3 (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/07/16/jerome_corsi/index2.html)
July 16, 2007 | Three years ago, as the co-author of "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry," the book that launched the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth campaign, Jerome Corsi was arguably one of the 2004 presidential election's single most influential people. Though Corsi denies that the book and the movement were specifically intended to aid the reelection efforts of President George W. Bush, and says the only intention was to oppose Kerry, there's little doubt that he played a significant role in winning Bush a second term. But now Corsi has turned against the administration, accusing it of being part of a conspiracy to destroy the sovereignty of the United States as we know it.

http://images.salon.com/news/feature/2007/07/16/jerome_corsi/story.jpg
Jerome Corsi

In his new book, "The Late Great USA: The Coming Merger With Mexico and Canada," Corsi weaves a sprawling theory in which multinational companies, the Bush administration, the Council on Foreign Relations, Democratic-leaning college professors and the governments of Mexico and Canada, among others, are all working -- not necessarily together, but in harmony -- to create a "North American Union." This NAU, Corsi says, will be similar to the European Union, breaking down national boundaries, establishing a single North American currency and potentially even leading to a rewriting of the Bill of Rights.

Already a controversial figure -- he's been accused of plagiarism, and the liberal press watchdog Media Matters has compiled a list of some of the inflammatory remarks he made while he was posting at FreeRepublic.com -- Corsi recycles some old boogeymen for "The Late Great USA." For example, he makes the Council on Foreign Relations, once a favorite target of the radical right-wing John Birch Society, a key player in his tale. But that doesn't mean his book won't find a huge audience; released July 10, as of this article's press time it had already reached as high as the No. 1 spot in Amazon.com's rankings of both nonfiction and politics books.

Salon spoke with Corsi the day before the book's release about his theory, the problems he sees in joining an EU-type organization and the split between the corporatist and anti-immigration wings of the Republican Party.

What's the book about?

It's about the coming merger with Mexico and Canada. I make the argument that just as in Europe, it was a 50-year stealth plan by the intellectual elites and government officials planning to create a European Union, to go from originally a trade agreement, the coal and steel agreement, the original agreement, step by step incrementally building an argument and getting the votes needed to end up with the European Union. They went through a European common market, a European customs union, European community, finally European Union with its own currency, the euro. I'm saying the plan here is the same. Multinational corporations and elites pushing to have NAFTA advance into what it is now, the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, ultimately a North American community, and if we don't stop it it will end up as a North American Union with its own currency, the "amero," the a-m-e-r-o, replacing the dollar and the other currencies in Canada and Mexico.

What you seem to foresee, however, is something that would go further than the European Union and actually dissolve the United States.

The United States could remain as a country in a North American Union the same way Italy, France and Germany remain as countries in the European Union, but there's a significant loss of sovereignty so that now the European Union dictates from the nameless bureaucrats in the working groups in Brussels, in Luxembourg, the laws which the legislatures in the various countries -- Germany, France, Italy, etc. -- can pass. And if it's not approved they can't pass the law. So you basically have a European Union regional government becoming supreme and the governments of the individual countries becoming secondary in sovereignty to the regional government's dictates and rulings.

So what's the motive on the part of the American government and American corporations in forming this North American Union? That wasn't much discussed in your book.

I pointed out very clearly that the motive here is a multinational corporate model, that our multinational corporations largely are beyond borders already. I pointed this out extensively when I discussed how the North American Competitiveness Council, which is an advisory group under the Security and Prosperity Partnership, was constituted almost entirely of multinational business groups that are constituted to advise SPP. The agenda there is that, you know, American labor is too expensive for the multinational corporations.

Our manufacturing jobs are increasingly going to China and our high-skill jobs -- I mean take a look at Bill Gates and Microsoft: He's one of the top billionaires in the world, yet evidently he does not have enough billions. Rather than being thankful to U.S. citizens for buying Microsoft products over decades ... he's pushing for another billion dollars. He wants unlimited HB1 visas to get computer scientists in an unlimited capacity from India and he's threatening that if he can't get that here in the United States, he'll form a subsidiary in Canada and get his Indian computer scientists through Canada. As opposed to -- evidently the sons and daughters of American citizens graduating from colleges in computer science are too expensive for Bill Gates. And it's that type of an agenda that is already beyond borders, which is pushing for global profits at the expense of the U.S. manufacturing or the U.S. middle class.

You also allege, though, that the Bush administration is actively doing this. What's its motive to want to break down the United States?

Well, I say it's been bipartisan. It's both George H.W. Bush, who openly talked about a new world order; Bill Clinton, who advanced the NAFTA agenda by getting NAFTA passed; and George W. Bush, who's now advanced NAFTA into the Security and Prosperity Partnership. I'm saying that all three of these presidents and our Congress have been willing to erase borders to the extent that illegal immigration has been openly allowed and encouraged in a bipartisan effort. We got a Kennedy-McCain bill twice being jammed in the Senate, even though the American people overwhelmingly rejected it; it's a bipartisan effort. And the politicians of both parties are equally paid campaign contributions by the multinational corporations that advance this agenda.

Next page: "The Swift Boat Veterans were not organized to reelect George W. Bush" (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/07/16/jerome_corsi/index1.html)

Crushaholic
07-16-2007, 10:33 AM
That is truly scary if the three presidents are all for this plan. We'll have to watch our government very carefully...

Paladin
07-16-2007, 10:36 AM
I think I will move to Costa Rica.......

fuzzy
07-16-2007, 11:02 AM
anyone else here think nationalism is silly?

Crushaholic
07-16-2007, 11:06 AM
anyone else here think nationalism is silly?

What's wrong with holding on to the fundamentals and ideals that built the country we love?

El Guapo
07-16-2007, 11:17 AM
closer to one currency, one language, one nation... Just what the anti-christ wants. (It'll be fun to watch the hornets start swirling after that comment)

Crushaholic
07-16-2007, 11:22 AM
closer to one currency, one language, one nation... Just what the anti-christ wants. (It'll be fun to watch the hornets start swirling after that comment)

Bingo. New currency is believed to be the first step towards consolidating regions under the anti-Christ's rule...

Orange_Beard
07-16-2007, 11:28 AM
HHAHAHAHA!!!

I guess that means W is the anti-christ. This proves it for all you bible bangers.

Taco John
07-16-2007, 11:30 AM
The Anti-Christ?

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't base my politics with any thought about what some mythical anti-christ figure who is long dead anyway will think about it.

Not that I'm in favor of the North American Union-- but I don't give a second thought to the anti-christ.

Merlin
07-16-2007, 11:33 AM
What's wrong with holding on to the fundamentals and ideals that built the country we love?
Well, unless you are willing to truly consider the ramifications you claim a lot; civil and equality rights are arguably not fundamentals America sprung from, nor are a number of other adopted ideals...moreover, why would anyone want to maintain an ideology that does not adapt to the times and new social needs.

BTW, some of what he says is true, and much of his description of Europe is nonsense. The fact remains (and this we know from the depression era), USA cannot isolate itself, and financial pressures from other countries will continue to affect political decisions internally regardless of whether the borders are soft or hard. To remain a power for the coming century the country will have to continue to evolve in an less isolated fashion...ironically, capitalism and the powers given to the conglomerates (which many conservatives defended) as at the root of all these changes.

Taco John
07-16-2007, 11:37 AM
By the way... If people are seriously worried about this, there is only one candidate that you should support: Ron Paul.

If you're worried about this and are voting for McCain, or Giuliani, you're just voting for more of the same.

Here is Ron Paul's take on the NAFTA Superhighway which is already well under way that will connect Mexico, the US, and Canada:
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst103006.htm

socalorado
07-16-2007, 11:40 AM
anyone else here think nationalism is silly?

!st of all, the reason Nationalism is NOT silly, is because it is a bi-product of our National Sovernty.

Sovereignty is the exclusive right to exercise supreme political (e.g. legislative, judicial, and/or executive) authority over a geographic region, group of people, or oneself. A sovereign is the supreme lawmaking authority, subject to no other. Thus the legal maxim, There is no law without a sovereign.

Now do you understand? There must be a nationalism as you call it to have a middle class society. Without our Nationalism, there would be 90% dirt poor, and 10% wealthy. Sort of like the middle ages. Where rich land owners could dictate to the peasants and they had no choice but to live in poverty.
The middle class ( i am guessing you!) run the country, not some assclown idiot like our current Pres.
If you guys want to fix this nation domestically and solve our current issues with our neighbors ( mexico) I suggest you consider reading up on Ron Paul! He is the last true Patriot!

baja
07-16-2007, 11:41 AM
Besides it has already been established that the anti christ is Dan Revees.

baja
07-16-2007, 11:43 AM
<b>By the way... If people are seriously worried about this, there is only one candidate that you should support: Ron Paul.</b>

If you're worried about this and are voting for McCain, or Giuliani, you're just voting for more of the same.

Here is Ron Paul's take on the NAFTA Superhighway which is already well under way that will connect Mexico, the US, and Canada:
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst103006.htm

TJ I would like to ask you to put this thread on the main board;

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=58306

socalorado
07-16-2007, 11:45 AM
Well, unless you are willing to truly consider the ramifications you claim a lot; civil and equality rights are arguably not fundamentals America sprung from, nor are a number of other adopted ideals...moreover, why would anyone want to maintain an ideology that does not adapt to the times and new social needs.

BTW, some of what he says is true, and much of his description of Europe is nonsense. The fact remains (and this we know from the depression era), USA cannot isolate itself, and financial pressures from other countries will continue to affect political decisions internally regardless of whether the borders are soft or hard. To remain a power for the coming century the country will have to continue to evolve in an less isolated fashion...ironically, capitalism and the powers given to the conglomerates (which many conservatives defended) as at the root of all these changes.

why would anyone want to maintain an ideology that does not adapt to the times and new "socialistic" needs.


Uh yeah i dont see it as social but as an attempt at "socialism"
Which is against everything the constitution is for.

Garcia Bronco
07-16-2007, 11:45 AM
I am not calling it the Amero if this were to come to pass.

Taco John
07-16-2007, 11:49 AM
TJ I would like to ask you to put this thread on the main board;

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=58306


I don't even know if I want THIS politics thread on the main board.

baja
07-16-2007, 11:49 AM
Garcia,

How about calling it toilet paper because that what the dollar is going to be worth soon enough if put someone that is fiscally responsible in power very soon

socalorado
07-16-2007, 11:57 AM
Garcia,

How about calling it toilet paper because that what the dollar is going to be worth soon enough if put someone that is fiscally responsible in power very soon

Ron Pauls VP running mate
Walter Williams- the Economist, yeah i think he can save the buck!
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/vita.html

Check him out

Bronco_Beerslug
07-16-2007, 12:32 PM
I don't know, it's pretty obvious most of the world is "merging" economically. Is that a good thing or bad thing, who knows. It does mean that countries are losing some of their national identity I'd guess.
I'd also think Canada wouldn't be real thrilled with this idea or movement where Mexico would be very happy.

Hogan11
07-16-2007, 12:36 PM
I think I will move to Costa Rica.......

Lot's of great land deals down there right now....at least, that's what the spam in my inbox says anyways.

Bronco_Beerslug
07-16-2007, 12:50 PM
Lot's of great land deals down there right now....at least, that's what the spam in my inbox says anyways.A friend of mine moved there years ago after working industrial construction here for about 10 years. He loves it there. Still very cheap to live there, he has his own maid :wiggle:



http://www.escapeartist.com/International_Real_Estate/Costa_Rica/Costa_Rica.html

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5558/clipboard01by2.jpg (http://www.escapeartist.com/International_Real_Estate/Costa_Rica/Costa_Rica.html)

RocBronc
07-16-2007, 01:34 PM
The real evil in this isn't that difficult to understand...

It goes back to one of our Revolutionary War slogans...

"NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!"

I'm against the Mex-Ameri-Canada not because I hate Mexican's or Canadian's, it's because it removes politicians from the direct accountability of voters, which is a recipe for disaster if I've ever heard of one. (This concept is why I want the U.N. basically dissolved) Removing politicians (i.e. power) from accountability from voters will lead to huge losses of freedom, greater corruption amongst other problems.

National sovereignty is important not because we're better than the other guys, it's because each country should be bounded by concrete borders and governed ONLY by elected representatives of the legal citizens who live within such concrete borders.

GonzoLays
07-16-2007, 01:57 PM
Interesting story to say the least! The European Union has already went this way. I wonder if it's only a matter of time until we do?

----------------------------------------------------------
U.S. to merge with Mexico and Canada? (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/07/16/jerome_corsi/)

In his new bestseller, Jerome "Swift boat" Corsi explains how immigration will destroy American sovereignty and the "amero" will replace the dollar.

By Alex Koppelman

Pages 1 2 (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/07/16/jerome_corsi/index1.html) 3 (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/07/16/jerome_corsi/index2.html)
July 16, 2007 | Three years ago, as the co-author of "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry," the book that launched the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth campaign, Jerome Corsi was arguably one of the 2004 presidential election's single most influential people. Though Corsi denies that the book and the movement were specifically intended to aid the reelection efforts of President George W. Bush, and says the only intention was to oppose Kerry, there's little doubt that he played a significant role in winning Bush a second term. But now Corsi has turned against the administration, accusing it of being part of a conspiracy to destroy the sovereignty of the United States as we know it.

http://images.salon.com/news/feature/2007/07/16/jerome_corsi/story.jpg
Jerome Corsi

In his new book, "The Late Great USA: The Coming Merger With Mexico and Canada," Corsi weaves a sprawling theory in which multinational companies, the Bush administration, the Council on Foreign Relations, Democratic-leaning college professors and the governments of Mexico and Canada, among others, are all working -- not necessarily together, but in harmony -- to create a "North American Union." This NAU, Corsi says, will be similar to the European Union, breaking down national boundaries, establishing a single North American currency and potentially even leading to a rewriting of the Bill of Rights.

Already a controversial figure -- he's been accused of plagiarism, and the liberal press watchdog Media Matters has compiled a list of some of the inflammatory remarks he made while he was posting at FreeRepublic.com -- Corsi recycles some old boogeymen for "The Late Great USA." For example, he makes the Council on Foreign Relations, once a favorite target of the radical right-wing John Birch Society, a key player in his tale. But that doesn't mean his book won't find a huge audience; released July 10, as of this article's press time it had already reached as high as the No. 1 spot in Amazon.com's rankings of both nonfiction and politics books.

Salon spoke with Corsi the day before the book's release about his theory, the problems he sees in joining an EU-type organization and the split between the corporatist and anti-immigration wings of the Republican Party.

What's the book about?

It's about the coming merger with Mexico and Canada. I make the argument that just as in Europe, it was a 50-year stealth plan by the intellectual elites and government officials planning to create a European Union, to go from originally a trade agreement, the coal and steel agreement, the original agreement, step by step incrementally building an argument and getting the votes needed to end up with the European Union. They went through a European common market, a European customs union, European community, finally European Union with its own currency, the euro. I'm saying the plan here is the same. Multinational corporations and elites pushing to have NAFTA advance into what it is now, the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, ultimately a North American community, and if we don't stop it it will end up as a North American Union with its own currency, the "amero," the a-m-e-r-o, replacing the dollar and the other currencies in Canada and Mexico.

What you seem to foresee, however, is something that would go further than the European Union and actually dissolve the United States.

The United States could remain as a country in a North American Union the same way Italy, France and Germany remain as countries in the European Union, but there's a significant loss of sovereignty so that now the European Union dictates from the nameless bureaucrats in the working groups in Brussels, in Luxembourg, the laws which the legislatures in the various countries -- Germany, France, Italy, etc. -- can pass. And if it's not approved they can't pass the law. So you basically have a European Union regional government becoming supreme and the governments of the individual countries becoming secondary in sovereignty to the regional government's dictates and rulings.

So what's the motive on the part of the American government and American corporations in forming this North American Union? That wasn't much discussed in your book.

I pointed out very clearly that the motive here is a multinational corporate model, that our multinational corporations largely are beyond borders already. I pointed this out extensively when I discussed how the North American Competitiveness Council, which is an advisory group under the Security and Prosperity Partnership, was constituted almost entirely of multinational business groups that are constituted to advise SPP. The agenda there is that, you know, American labor is too expensive for the multinational corporations.

Our manufacturing jobs are increasingly going to China and our high-skill jobs -- I mean take a look at Bill Gates and Microsoft: He's one of the top billionaires in the world, yet evidently he does not have enough billions. Rather than being thankful to U.S. citizens for buying Microsoft products over decades ... he's pushing for another billion dollars. He wants unlimited HB1 visas to get computer scientists in an unlimited capacity from India and he's threatening that if he can't get that here in the United States, he'll form a subsidiary in Canada and get his Indian computer scientists through Canada. As opposed to -- evidently the sons and daughters of American citizens graduating from colleges in computer science are too expensive for Bill Gates. And it's that type of an agenda that is already beyond borders, which is pushing for global profits at the expense of the U.S. manufacturing or the U.S. middle class.

You also allege, though, that the Bush administration is actively doing this. What's its motive to want to break down the United States?

Well, I say it's been bipartisan. It's both George H.W. Bush, who openly talked about a new world order; Bill Clinton, who advanced the NAFTA agenda by getting NAFTA passed; and George W. Bush, who's now advanced NAFTA into the Security and Prosperity Partnership. I'm saying that all three of these presidents and our Congress have been willing to erase borders to the extent that illegal immigration has been openly allowed and encouraged in a bipartisan effort. We got a Kennedy-McCain bill twice being jammed in the Senate, even though the American people overwhelmingly rejected it; it's a bipartisan effort. And the politicians of both parties are equally paid campaign contributions by the multinational corporations that advance this agenda.

Next page: "The Swift Boat Veterans were not organized to reelect George W. Bush" (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/07/16/jerome_corsi/index1.html)

http://www.gamepolitics.com/images/tinfoil-hat.jpg

Run Beerslug, the Amero is out to get you!!

GonzoLays
07-16-2007, 02:02 PM
...weaves a sprawling theory in which multinational companies, the Bush administration, the Council on Foreign Relations, Democratic-leaning college professors and the governments of Mexico and Canada, among others, are all working -- not necessarily together, but in harmony -- to create a "North American Union."

It's a consipiracy! Conspiracy I tell you! They meet in an underground bunker at DIA and plot world domination! {evil laugh}

Cool Breeze
07-16-2007, 03:08 PM
kansas city is calling, they want to know how many ameros it takes to buy a camaro...

alkemical
07-16-2007, 03:09 PM
See beerslug - i post this stuff and i get laughed at as well.

I made a whole thread on the nafta superhighway the amero etc - noone cares.

Atwater His Ass
07-16-2007, 03:18 PM
kansas city is calling, they want to know how many ameros it takes to buy a camaro...

it must have t-tops. must.

baja
07-16-2007, 03:31 PM
See beerslug - i post this stuff and i get laughed at as well.

I made a whole thread on the nafta superhighway the amero etc -<b> noone cares.</b>

That's why it will happen.

Welcome to the new world order of the super rich and the 90% poor.

It will happen somewhere between a Supersize meal and an engrossing Paris Hilton story.

alkemical
07-16-2007, 03:35 PM
That's why it will happen.

Welcome to the new world order of the super rich and the 90% poor.

It will happen somewhere between a Supersize meal and an engrossing Paris Hilton story.



I know baja. It's part of the reason i get so...agitated with Americans who just bitch and moan and yet want to affiliate themselves with a political party. Both parties have screwed the pooch and the American Voter is to blame.

For shame American Voter, we will get exactly what we deserve. So it's up to everyone to figure out what we deserve.

America as it should be, or Meximericanada.

See:

www.spp.gov for more info.