Chargers select Paul Oliver?

[Master___Pain]

from pft (yeah, yeah, I know consider the source)

POSTED 1:47 p.m. EDT, July 12, 2007

CHARGERS TAKE OLIVER

A league source tells us that the San Diego Chargers have selected cornerback Paul Oliver in round four of the supplemental draft.

The process is now in round five.

Stay tuned.



That's a steal to me. They've got a couple of good young corners now to go along with Jammer

[BizzyBone7]

I never fully understood the concept of the Supp. Draft. I know they have to give a draft pick in '08 now correct? But which one and what are the levels of compensation?

[JDB7821]

He's way overhyped down here in Georgia because he "shut down" Calvin Johnson. I don't think there's anything to worry about with this guy, he's slow and didn't test well at all in any of the agility tests. He could turn out to be a good nickel back, but I wouldn't expect anything else out of him.

[JDB7821]

I never fully understood the concept of the Supp. Draft. I know they have to give a draft pick in '08 now correct? But which one and what are the levels of compensation?

A league source tells us that the San Diego Chargers have selected cornerback Paul Oliver in round four of the supplemental draft.

[BizzyBone7]

A league source tells us that the San Diego Chargers have selected cornerback Paul Oliver in round four of the supplemental draft.

:thumbsup:

[rovolution]

ratbirds took Jared Gaither in round 5. good pickup for them considering Ogden is ready to retire anytime within the next 3 years (maybe even sooner).

[Popcorn Sutton]

Looks like the Ravens took Gaither...

[Arkansas Bronco]

I never fully understood the concept of the Supp. Draft. I know they have to give a draft pick in '08 now correct? But which one and what are the levels of compensation?

You have to give up your draft pick in that round like next year the bolts will forfeit there fourth round choice. If they would have taken him in the third round they would have lost next years third and so forth.

[boltaneer]

Drayton Florence is hitting free agency next year. Looks like he's going to be Florence's replacement at nickel.

[Requiem]

Soild selections for both teams. Baltimore with Grubbs and Gaither. . . NICE.

[SoDak Bronco]

I saw the Bolts used the supp draft to get Jamaal Williams a few years back, boy that was a nice pick..

[SonOfLe-loLang]

We used a supp first pick on Bobby Humpherey in 89 or whatever year it was.

[NaptownChief]

Chiefs used one on Darren Mickell out of Florida several years back....looked like a steal but turned out to be virtually worthless.

[KipCorrington25]

We used a supp first pick on Bobby Humpherey in 89 or whatever year it was.

1989. It would have only been a second but his high top fade pushed his value up and into the first. :afro:

[ICON]

He dosnt have nfl speed That's why he's a Tampa 2 corner. I Think a better Daymeion Hughes he has only started 13 college games... he may have talent, but is raw imo.. For a guy who has started 13 games in his entire college career! This is a guy who couldn't even handle the college experience, what makes you think he can handle being a professional???


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[Atlas]

1989. It would have only been a second but his high top fade pushed his value up and into the first. :afro:

he was worth the 1st round pick. He just played great in 89 leading Denver to a Super Bowl as a rookie. He played well in 90 too despite Denver's 5-11 record. He just got too full of himself and wanted to renegotiate with two years left on his contract. He later got busted for drugs in a Miami apartment after he was traded.

He could have been a great running back I'm sure he lives with that every day of his life now.

[NaptownChief]

he was worth the 1st round pick. He just played great in 89 leading Denver to a Super Bowl as a rookie. He played well in 90 too despite Denver's 5-11 record. He just got too full of himself and wanted to renegotiate with two years left on his contract. He later got busted for drugs in a Miami apartment after he was traded.

He could have been a great running back I'm sure he lives with that every day of his life now.



What I always remember about him is the Denver/Miami deal of swapping drug addicted RB's. Good ole Sammy Smith.

The other one that cracked me up in the same vein was when they swapped 1st round bust for 1st round bust with Marcus Nash and John Avery.

They were about as dead even deals as you could have possibly worked out.

[Atlas]

What I always remember about him is the Denver/Miami deal of swapping drug addicted RB's. Good ole Sammy Smith.

The other one that cracked me up in the same vein was when they swapped 1st round bust for 1st round bust with Marcus Nash and John Avery.

They were about as dead even deals as you could have possibly worked out.

There was also the deal where Denver traded #1 pick Ricky Hunley to Arizona for C Mike Ruether; 1st round bust Ted Gregory was also traded to New Orleans for their first round bust Shawn Knight. Gregory only got one sack before New Orleans realesed him and that was against Denver during New Orleans 42-0 waxing of the Broncos. Ahhh the good 'ole days!!

[400HZ]

I like it. SD needed to draft a CB next year to replace Florence anyways. I'm not sweating the 4th rounder.

[Paladin]

Good 'cause the Sandy Eggo Sparklers don't have it now.....

Oliver sounds like a third round safety prospect to me..... No speed to speak of, little college experience, and not a lot of real talent..... Good luck with that......

[Atwater His Ass]

he was worth the 1st round pick. He just played great in 89 leading Denver to a Super Bowl as a rookie. He played well in 90 too despite Denver's 5-11 record. He just got too full of himself and wanted to renegotiate with two years left on his contract. He later got busted for drugs in a Miami apartment after he was traded.

He could have been a great running back I'm sure he lives with that every day of his life now.

I always thought Humphrey had a chance to be real special here and be that answer at RB for Elway. As I remember he never amounted to much for Miami either and just faded away from the league.

[Man-Goblin]

I always thought Humphrey had a chance to be real special here and be that answer at RB for Elway. As I remember he never amounted to much for Miami either and just faded away from the league.

Didn't he get found on the side of the road shot in the leg too? I seem to remember something like that, but I'm not sure if it was Humphrey...

[400HZ]

Good 'cause the Sandy Eggo Sparklers don't have it now.....

Oliver sounds like a third round safety prospect to me..... No speed to speak of, little college experience, and not a lot of real talent..... Good luck with that......

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/2008/earlylook.html

"7. Paul Oliver Cornerback 6-0 / 201 Georgia

If not for another serious injury (ruptured patellar tendon this spring after missing '06 with a torn ACL) Nebraska's Zack Bowman would probably be the top rated senior corner available this year but that honor now belongs to Paul Oliver. An elite recruit coming out of the prep ranks who had to wait his turn before finally getting a chance to start, Oliver really emerged as a junior in 2006 and there is no telling how high his draft stock could soar if he can build on that momentum this fall. From a size/speed standpoint Oliver has everything you look for and his best football is still ahead of him so remember his name because you will be hearing it a lot the next 12 months. "

[Patriots4ever]

Here's an article from the Boston Herald. I pulled this from Patriotsplanet, sorry, there was no link:

The supplemental draft will hit the NFL will celebrate its 31st anniversary tomorrow. Big deal, right?

Well, no, it really hasn’t been. In those years, only 35 players have been picked, and most of them have gone to not much of anything in the league. But some have.

Here’s a primer as you get ready for, like we said, nothing. The whole thing’s done by email, so even if you want more, you’ll probably have to look a little harder than you think. And you’ll probably come up empty, like most teams that use picks in this thing.

THE STARS

Four players who made their mark:

QB Bernie Kosar, 1985 first round, Browns: In the same year that eyebrows were raised when the first NBA Draft lottery delivered Patrick Ewing to New York, similar suspicions were raised over Cleveland landing Kosar, a national championship quarterback at Miami who grew up in nearby Youngstown. The Browns pulled off a trade for the 1986 first-rounder of Buffalo – the worst team in the league – after Kosar delayed his announcement of early-entry and missed the deadline, some say intentionally, to apply for the college draft. That allowed the Browns to select him at the top of the supplemental draft. And he promptly led the Browns to the AFC title game in his second, third and fifth years as their quarterback, and played in the 1987 Pro Bowl. Ever the cerebral quarterback, Kosar set an NFL record with 308 completions without an interception in 1990 and ’91, before some guy named Belichick dumped him in 1993.

WR Cris Carter, 1987 fourth round, Eagles: After becoming the first All-American receiver in a long line of them to follow at Ohio State, Carter secretly signed with an agent and blew his senior year of eligibility, forcing him to the supplemental draft. His time with the Eagles was marred with reported drug and alcohol abuse, leading to his ouster before the 1990 season. And from there, he never looked back. He spent the next 12 seasons in Minnesota, making eight straight Pro Bowls and running his career totals to 1,101 catches, 13,899 yards and 130 touchdowns. An all-decade selection for the 1990s, Carter’s a good bet to make the Hall of Fame next year when he becomes eligible.

G Mike Wahle, 1998 second round, Packers: Wahle lost his NCAA eligibility while at the Naval Academy, and went into the ’98 supplemental. And at first, he looked like a wasted second-rounder. In his second season, Wahle started at three different positions on the line and appeared to be ready to become the Packers’ left tackle in 2000. After flopping there, he settled in at guard in 2001 and has become one of the NFL’s steadiest at the position. He’s spent the last two years with the Panthers, and made his first Pro Bowl in 2005.

DT Jamal Williams, 1998 second round, Chargers: With apologies to Vince Wilfork and Casey Hampton, there isn’t a better nose tackle in the NFL. Williams was declared academically ineligible for the 1998 season at Oklahoma State and, that July, the Chargers snapped him up in short order. He became a starter in his third season with San Diego, and has gotten better and better as time has gone on. At 348 pounds, he’s one of the most disruptive running-plugging forces in the league. He started gaining notoriety as such in 2004, when he made several All-Pro teams. He’s played in the last two Pro Bowls, and remains the rock of the Chargers’ fearsome front seven

PICK BREAKDOWN

A look at how high players have been picked:

First round: 8
Second round: 4
Third round: 3
Fourth round: 4
Fifth round: 3
Sixth round: 2
Seventh round: 2
Eighth round: 2
Ninth round: 3
Tenth round: 1
Eleventh round: 1
Twelfth round: 2

TOP SHELF

A first-round pick has not been used in the supplemental draft in 15 years, and that’s a trend that almost certainly won’t be broken this year. Here are the eight guys teams deemed worthy of one:

1981: QB Dave Wilson, Illinois (Saints)
1985: QB Bernie Kosar, Miami (Browns)
1987: LB Brian Bosworth, Oklahoma (Seahawks)
1989: QB Steve Walsh, Miami (Cowboys); QB Timm Rosenbach, Washington State (Cardinals); RB Bobby Humphery, Alabama (Broncos)
1990: WR Rob Moore, Syracuse (Jets)
1992: QB Dave Brown, Duke (Giants)

PATS PICKS

The Patriots have exercised their right to pick in the supplemental draft just twice. Those guys are:

WR Cly Davidson, Rhode Island, 1981, 11th round: Try Googling him … Yeah, that’s how low-profile he was. Never played in a game for the Patriots, or the NFL for that matter. This one looks a lot like a local-kid-as-camp-fodder story.

CB J’Juan Cherry, Arizona State, 1999, fourth round: One of the final personnel decisions of the ill-fated Bobby Grier regime, and another reason why the Patriots had such trouble getting anything of value out of the 2000 draft. Cherry was tossed from the Sun Devils for breaking team rules, played in six games in ’99 for the Patriots, landed on injured reserve and was ushered out of town after the season. Briefly caught on with the Cowboys, but never played in a game for them. He played some in NFL Europe after that.

TRENDING

In each decade, there have been fewer and fewer players selected. In the 1980s, there were 17 players taken. In the ’90s, just 10 went. And through the first seven years of this decade, just four guys have come off the board. Guess the fellas are behaving themselves a little better.

PAUL OLIVER, CB, GEORGIA

POSITIVES: Played well as a junior, getting the better of Georgia Tech’s Calvin Johnson and South Carolina’s Sidney Rice last fall. A physical corner who can support the run, play both off and press coverage, and has shown the ability to run with faster players and turn his hips. At 5-foot-11 and 195 pounds, he’s got good size for a corner, and plays bigger because his long arms and tough style. While he’s not a finished product, he’s fairly polished for a junior, with strong technique, especially in his footwork, and could contribute quickly to a team in need. And while academic issues forced him out of school, he’s been known as a team leader, program guy and strong worker in the Georgia program. Not unlike Daymeion Hughes, the big Cal corner and third-round pick of the Colts who was an outstanding player as a Golden Bear, and stuck with most every receiver he was assigned, but had his fortunes turned on a bad 40 time.

NEGATIVES: Plenty eminates from his Pro Day workout, where he ran in the high-4.5s, leaped just 33 inches in the vertical and posted a subpar time in the 3-cone drill. There’s some concern – even with his strong ball skills – over whether he’s explosive enough to be able to drop his hips and break on the ball consistently at the NFL level. Could struggle against receivers that have the second gear to get downfield, as most think that type of acceleration would trouble Oliver. Most of what you hear is that he’s a cover-2 corner or even a safety, ideally, in the pros. Only served a full-time starter for one season at Georgia.

[CBF1]

5th round for Gaither... and some of you were considering him with a second. I am glad you are not our GM.

[Atlas]

I always thought Humphrey had a chance to be real special here and be that answer at RB for Elway. As I remember he never amounted to much for Miami either and just faded away from the league.

He was accidently shot in the leg by one of his friends....ended his career.

[Killericon]

Good picks for both teams.

[Paladin]

Like I said, Sparky. Good luck with that......

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Didn't he get found on the side of the road shot in the leg too? I seem to remember something like that, but I'm not sure if it was Humphrey...

haha yeah, i think he got shot in the knee or something. If i recall, his first year in miami he caught a lot of balls..was obviously never the same player he was in his first two years. He just couldnt beat out Gaston Green:)

[boltaneer]

Oliver sounds like a third round safety prospect to me..... No speed to speak of, little college experience, and not a lot of real talent..... Good luck with that......

Just like Marcus Thomas, the guy fell for character issues, though different type of character issues.

Both have been touted as possible 1st round talents had they not taken the path that they did.

Two fourth round picks, low risk, possible steals. We'll see how each one pans out.

[Xenos]

Like I said, Sparky. Good luck with that......

No big deal whatsoever. We were going to have to pick up a cornerback in next year's draft anyways. In the end we gave up a relatively low pick to get a promising cornerback who will be our nickelback after Florence leaves. The best part is that we'll probably get a fourth round or possibly even a third round compensation pick because of Donnie Edwards.

[cutthemdown]

I don't think slow corners are a good idea but that's just my opinion.

[Broncos_OTM]

What I always remember about him is the Denver/Miami deal of swapping drug addicted RB's. Good ole Sammy Smith.

The other one that cracked me up in the same vein was when they swapped 1st round bust for 1st round bust with Marcus Nash and John Avery.

They were about as dead even deals as you could have possibly worked out.
are you sure it wasnt john avery

[Xenos]

I don't think slow corners are a good idea but that's just my opinion.

Slow corners aren't a good idea, but considering that he wasn't actually training as much during the weeks leading up to his pro day because he was trying to regain academic eligibility for Georgia, I can see why his numbers suffered.

[cutthemdown]

Just like Marcus Thomas, the guy fell for character issues, though different type of character issues.

Both have been touted as possible 1st round talents had they not taken the path that they did.

Two fourth round picks, low risk, possible steals. We'll see how each one pans out.

Except that Thomas has measurables through the roof. He is fast, big, strong, quick all those things. Oliver is slow, small and avg. I don't get SD giving up a 4th for him.

[cutthemdown]

The pick isn't a big deal really I just don't think Oliver a good player. I'd rather draft every CB as someone who can be a number 1. Why draft a guy whose ceiling you feel is probably as a nickelback or dime defender? I'd rather look for CBS with number 1 type speed and ball skills, then if he only makes it to nickelback so be it.

[boltaneer]

Except that Thomas has measurables through the roof. He is fast, big, strong, quick all those things. Oliver is slow, small and avg. I don't get SD giving up a 4th for him.

Most draft sites ranked Oliver very high and had him as a possible first round pick. A few sites said that he would be a better fit at nickel or free safety.

"He's a legitimate football player," (AJ) Smith said. "I think he's the real deal."

That's all I need to hear.

There are different options with what the Chargers could do with him. A fourth rounder seems like a good deal to me. And until AJ Smith gives me a reason to doubt his drafting abilities, I won't criticize his picks.

[Kaylore]

Cromartie and now this. Hmm, it appears the Chargers front office thinks as little of Jammer as I do.

[azbroncfan]

Bottomline is Bronco fans will say it's a waste and Charger fans say it's a great deal. Nobody really knows how he will pan out and that is the same with Thomas, Moss, Crowder, Weddle and the WR SD drafted. I think Oliver is worth the risk along with the OT the ratbirds took. Only time will tell and the armchair QB's will come out.

[elsid13]

Just like Marcus Thomas, the guy fell for character issues, though different type of character issues.

Both have been touted as possible 1st round talents had they not taken the path that they did.

Two fourth round picks, low risk, possible steals. We'll see how each one pans out.


Oliver fell because he had a poor workout, not character issues. It could be a good pick up, but I think he better suited in Tampa Cover -2 Defense then the system SD is currently running.

[bpc]

The chargers should have a low draft pick this year... who cares? Its like a fifth round pick.

Oliver played at a good school against very good competition. I don't really see why this would be a bad deal for the chargers. Besides, they needed some more competition at CB going into camp.

[boltaneer]

Oliver fell because he had a poor workout, not character issues. It could be a good pick up, but I think he better suited in Tampa Cover -2 Defense then the system SD is currently running.

Academic issues. Some people think those are character issues. But he doesn't have the off the field issues that teams are worried about these days.

His workout wasn't that impressive but there are many players who don't have great measurables but can play football.

Anyway, Oliver will not be thrown into the fire and he'll be playing dime to start. With Florence gone next year, he has a chance to move to nickel and I've read reports that think he'll be a great fit at nickel.

The Chargers' defensive backfield has been one of the weakest spots on the team for a while. I think it's a good move in bringing in DBs with good potential.

[chex]

1st round bust Ted Gregory was also traded to New Orleans for their first round bust Shawn Knight. Gregory only got one sack before New Orleans realesed him and that was against Denver during New Orleans 42-0 waxing of the Broncos. Ahhh the good 'ole days!!

Holy cow, I was at that game. November 20, 1988. I will never forget it.

[Drek]

Not a bad selection for the Chargers. If he'd been in this draft I think he would've been taken in the 4th round or so (assuming he'd have had a much better pro day). He's done way too little on the field to crack the first day without phenominal drills, which going by his actual pro day numbers wasn't possible. Getting him for next year's 4th is a good move.

I think Gaither was the guy to get in this supplimental draft though, which ticks me off that we never jumped on him. I'd have been happy with using our '08 4th on him, the fact that we could've had him for a 5th makes it worse. Not going to cry in my fruit loops tommorow or anything but he'd have been a good addition of young, talented size to our already solid youth movement on the OL.

I can't see how KC passed on him though. He's definately better than anything you'll get on the second day of next year's draft and they need immediate OL help. Ravens got themselves a steal.

[Killericon]

I don't think slow corners are a good idea but that's just my opinion.

http://www.nfl.com.mx/imagerepository/barber_ronde.jpg

[Xenos]

Cromartie and now this. Hmm, it appears the Chargers front office thinks as little of Jammer as I do.

lol. Yes that's why they signed Jammer to a new 5 year deal and aren't even attempting to negotiate with Drayton Florence.
But seriously, Kaylore what's with the hatred for Jammer? Was it the comments he made last year about Javon? I figured it was all smack talk to get everyone riled up for the game. Which is suprising in of itself because Jammer rarely says anything anymore.

[400HZ]

Not a bad selection for the Chargers. If he'd been in this draft I think he would've been taken in the 4th round or so (assuming he'd have had a much better pro day). He's done way too little on the field to crack the first day without phenominal drills, which going by his actual pro day numbers wasn't possible. Getting him for next year's 4th is a good move.

I think Gaither was the guy to get in this supplimental draft though, which ticks me off that we never jumped on him. I'd have been happy with using our '08 4th on him, the fact that we could've had him for a 5th makes it worse. Not going to cry in my fruit loops tommorow or anything but he'd have been a good addition of young, talented size to our already solid youth movement on the OL.

I can't see how KC passed on him though. He's definately better than anything you'll get on the second day of next year's draft and they need immediate OL help. Ravens got themselves a steal.

My bet was on KC jumping on Oliver as well. Most analysts had him going in the 3rd, and since SD doesn't have a 3rd next year it seemed like easy money that King Carl would snatch him. Oliver should make a pretty good nickel back for the Chargers in '08.

[Mediator12]

My bet was on KC jumping on Oliver as well. Most analysts had him going in the 3rd, and since SD doesn't have a 3rd next year it seemed like easy money that King Carl would snatch him. Oliver should make a pretty good nickel back for the Chargers in '08.

I think he meant KC should have grabbed gaither as their OT's are below average starters and their depth is even worse.

Oliver is an interesting selection for SD. They need CB depth, but he really is a strange fit to their current scheme. It makes sense if they are going to play more press zone this year than last though without Phillips.

Fourth rounder for a quality CB prospect to develop a year earlier is a steal. He should be able to crack the 53 man roster and play ST's right away if nothing else.

[400HZ]

I think he meant KC should have grabbed gaither as their OT's are below average starters and their depth is even worse.

Oliver is an interesting selection for SD. They need CB depth, but he really is a strange fit to their current scheme. It makes sense if they are going to play more press zone this year than last though without Phillips.

Fourth rounder for a quality CB prospect to develop a year earlier is a steal. He should be able to crack the 53 man roster and play ST's right away if nothing else.

From what I've read, a lot of the talk about him being good only for press zone schemes or as a safety is based off his poor workout. He played a lot of man coverage in college and was real good at it. Looking at his workout, he didn't have the two months+ to train for the events since he was still trying to salvage his collegiate career. On ESPN they said he lost about 10 pounds recently while ignoring football in favor of school, and that also would have affected his workout as well. I doubt his drafting signals a switch to an entirely new coverage scheme in San Diego. He's most likely just going to be in on dime this year, and nickel next year. He's not a player that SD is going to build their defense around.

[JJJ]

Seeing as they are both from Georgia I did a little comparison research between Oliver and Roland Bailey. The more I read up on Champ the more impressive he is. In '99 he ran the 2nd fastest time ever at the combine, tying Deion Sanders at 4.28. Some scrub named Menendez has the record at 4.24. Didn't know he played so much wide receiver in college. Caught 748 yards in 98 while starting every game at corner. I think that must really help a DB as they really know what the WR is thinking. Dude could long jump almost 26 feet. Man that was a great trade.

It is evidently clear Mr. Oliver is no Champ Bailey, but then who is? Bolts have been weak at this position for really as long as I can remember. It must have been 15 years since we had a really decent corner. Gil Byrd maybe. I don't think we have ever had a truly great corner in the team's entire history. Oliver is an upgrade on our 4th corner for sure. We have to take even small wins in the corner department in SD.

[thumpc]

You get to develop the guy a whole year earlier, sort of. Its as good as a 3rd rounder in the regular draft.
Whats wrong with Gaither that he slipped to the 5th?