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SureShot

07-11-2007, 03:44 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2933008

OKLAHOMA CITY -- The Oklahoma football program must forfeit its wins from the 2005 season and will lose two scholarships for the 2008-09 and 2009-10 school years.

The penalties, announced Wednesday by the NCAA, stem from a case involving two players, including the Sooners' starting quarterback, who were kicked off the team for being paid for work they had not performed at a Norman car dealership.

The Sooners went 8-4 and beat Oregon in the Holiday Bowl to end the 2005 season. Records from that season involving quarterback Rhett Bomar and offensive lineman J.D. Quinn must be vacated, the NCAA said, and coach Bob Stoops' career record will be amended to reflect the forfeitures, dropping it from 86-19 in eight seasons to 78-27.

Oklahoma also will have two years of probation added to an earlier penalty, extending the Sooners' probation to May 23, 2010. Those sanctions are in addition to those already self-imposed by Oklahoma, which has banned athletes from working at the car dealership until at least the 2008-09 academic year and has moved to prevent the athletes' supervisor at the dealership, Brad McRae, from being involved with the university's athletics program until at least August 2011.

Oklahoma also will reduce the number of football coaches who are allowed to recruit off campus this fall. The Sooners also dismissed Bomar, Quinn and walk-on Jermaine Hardison from the team.

"Although this case centered on a few violations involving three student-athletes, the committee finds this case to be significant and serious for several reasons," the NCAA report said, noting the length of time of the violations and the fact that Oklahoma had appeared before the committee in April 2006 regarding violations in its men's basketball program.

On Aug. 3, the day before the Sooners began preseason practice, Stoops dismissed Bomar and Quinn from the team after the university determined they had been paid for work not performed at Big Red Sports and Imports. That led to a subsequent NCAA investigation.

The committee found that Oklahoma "demonstrated a failure to monitor" the employment of several athletes, including some football players who worked during the academic year. The NCAA said that failure led to the university not detecting NCAA rules violations.

During the investigation, the university disputed that allegation, arguing that the NCAA should applaud, not penalize, its efforts to root out violations and noted that NCAA president Myles Brand told one news outlet that the university "acted with integrity in taking swift and decisive action" in the case. Both Bomar and Quinn lost a season of eligibility.

Bomar has been ordered by the NCAA to pay back more than $7,400 in extra benefits to charity, while Quinn was told to pay back more than $8,100. Both players transferred to Division I-AA schools -- Bomar to Sam Houston State and Quinn to Montana -- where they can resume their careers this season.

Oklahoma officials also appeared before the Committee on Infractions in April 2006 following an investigation into hundreds of improper recruiting phone calls by former basketball coach Kelvin Sampson's staff.

Oklahoma escaped major sanctions in that case, as the NCAA Committee on Infractions found the university guilty of a "failure to monitor," a less severe ruling than "lack of institutional control," which had been recommended by the NCAA's enforcement staff.

The committee moved Oklahoma's self-imposed probation so it would begin in May 2006 and end in May 2008. The NCAA also issued a public reprimand and censure but otherwise accepted the university's self-imposed sanctions, which included reductions in scholarships, recruiting calls and trips and visits to the school by prospective recruits.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

Popcorn Sutton

07-11-2007, 03:47 PM

Holy Crap!

Man-Goblin

07-11-2007, 03:47 PM

:~ohyah!:

Jens1893

07-11-2007, 03:54 PM

Anyone think a school like Oregon State would have got off with the same punishment?

ICON

07-11-2007, 03:56 PM

wow

Garcia Bronco

07-11-2007, 04:12 PM

Wow...kind of a joke IMO.

Evenrude

07-11-2007, 04:14 PM

Pretty mild punishment actually.... they still get thier tv exposure and bowl games.... could have been much worse.

KCbroncos

07-11-2007, 04:18 PM

Surprised they don't have to give their two lost scholarships to USC.

SoonerBronco

07-11-2007, 04:18 PM

TheChamp24

07-11-2007, 04:19 PM

Screw you Bomar and Quinn!
I do like how OU kicked them off the team though instead of just suspending them for a couple games and let them still be at OU.

TheChamp24

07-11-2007, 04:21 PM

Master___Pain

07-11-2007, 04:23 PM

Garcia Bronco

07-11-2007, 04:24 PM

So we report the violations, dismiss the players from the team, impose self punishment and then we still get this crap? Sorry it is pure D - B u l l s h i t! Troy Smith can take money from a donor, get suspeded one game, and NOTHING happen to Ohio State. Reggie Bush's family can have houses bought for them by agents and nothing happens to him or USC?

Sorry guys, I know some of you guys don't like OU and that's fine, but this is the WRONG precendent for the NCAA to set. Do the right thing and be punished...

The Boz had it right a long time ago....http://www.txcn.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/colleges/redrivershootout/images/1985bosworth.jpg

"National Communists Against Athletes"

My thing is...what does this actully mean? Not a whole bunch....I bet the teams they actually beat on the field don't all of a sudden feel like they won because they know they didn't. So this all boils down to some symbolic BS almost like a non-binding resolution. further more....does OU have to give back their winner split to the Holiday Bowl....does the Big 12 have to give up their share of it? Further more..how is the University responsible for the out of school activities of two players?

El Guapo

07-11-2007, 04:25 PM

If it were my school we would have been ripped of our ability to even play. how weak is this?

TheReverend

07-11-2007, 04:33 PM

NCAA is so gay.

Jens1893

07-11-2007, 04:35 PM

So we report the violations, dismiss the players from the team, impose self punishment and then we still get this crap? Sorry it is pure D - B u l l s h i t! Troy Smith can take money from a donor, get suspeded one game, and NOTHING happen to Ohio State. Reggie Bush's family can have houses bought for them by agents and nothing happens to him or USC?

Sorry guys, I know some of you guys don't like OU and that's fine, but this is the WRONG precendent for the NCAA to set. Do the right thing and be punished...

The Boz had it right a long time ago....http://www.txcn.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/colleges/redrivershootout/images/1985bosworth.jpg

"National Communists Against Athletes"

Smith took 300 bucks from a donor to pay a cell phone bill, Bomar and the other guy got paid like 7k or 8k each for work they didn´t do and your star RB had an extended joyride in a car he couldn´t afford. Agree about the Bush story, but the Troy Smith story is something else IMO.

The punishment for OU is inconsistent. It´s too harsh when you compare it to the fact that USC probably doesn´t have to answer for the Reggie Bush thing, but it´s too light when you compare it to the punishment Colorado got for undercharging walk ons on meals (100k fine, loss of one scholarship for 3 years).

Having to forfeit the 05 season is a slap on the wrist and bs as it doesn´t matter anyway. The games were played, everyone knows how they ended and just having to erase them from the record book is bureaucratic crap. Nobody cares.

SoonerBronco

07-11-2007, 04:38 PM

You got a freaking slap on the wrist, get over it.

Pain...don't tell me to get over it! It's BS plain and simple and it happened to my team. If if would have happened to the Buffs, I'm sure you'd feel the same way.

Jens1893

07-11-2007, 04:39 PM

If it were my school we would have been ripped of our ability to even play. how weak is this?

Bingo. The whole thing is BS any way you look at it.

Billy Clyde Puckett

07-11-2007, 04:40 PM

They only forfiet two scholarships for two years when guys were getting paid under the table? Didn't CU just lose two scharships for three years for accidentally undercharging a few volleyball players for their lunches?

Jens1893

07-11-2007, 04:40 PM

Pain...don't tell me to get over it! It's BS plain and simple and it happened to my team. If if would have happened to the Buffs, I'm sure you'd feel the same way.

It did happen to CU and in comparison I think we got hit harder than you did.

Master___Pain

07-11-2007, 04:42 PM

Pain...don't tell me to get over it! It's BS plain and simple and it happened to my team. If if would have happened to the Buffs, I'm sure you'd feel the same way.

Um, it did happen to the Buffs and I am over it.

CU placed on probation (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/ncaa/article/0,2777,DRMN_23932_5596611,00.html)

SoonerBronco

07-11-2007, 04:43 PM

Smith took 300 bucks from a donor to pay a cell phone bill, Bomar and the other guy got paid like 7k or 8k each for work they didn´t do and your star RB had an extended joyride in a car he couldn´t afford. Agree about the Bush story, but the Troy Smith story is something else IMO.

The punishment for OU is inconsistent. It´s too harsh when you compare it to the fact that USC probably doesn´t have to answer for the Reggie Bush thing, but it´s too light when you compare it to the punishment Colorado got for undercharging walk ons on meals (100k fine, loss of one scholarship for 3 years).

Having to forfeit the 05 season is a slap on the wrist and bs as it doesn´t matter anyway. The games were played, everyone knows how they ended and just having to erase them from the record book is bureaucratic crap. Nobody cares.

bureaucracy sucks...The fact is that OU vacated the 2 schollys vacated by Quin and Bomar and imposed recruiting restrictions before this was ever even investigated by the NCAA...

SoonerBronco

07-11-2007, 04:53 PM

Um, it did happen to the Buffs and I am over it.

CU placed on probation (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/ncaa/article/0,2777,DRMN_23932_5596611,00.html)

good lord it just happend! I'm sure you stewed over it for a while...

Jens1893

07-11-2007, 04:55 PM

bureaucracy sucks...The fact is that OU vacated the 2 schollys vacated by Quin and Bomar and imposed recruiting restrictions before this was ever even investigated by the NCAA...

so basically you complain about having to erase one of your worst seasons in recent memory from the record books?

Billy Clyde Puckett

07-11-2007, 04:56 PM

One of the schools I went to, got 5 years probation, three years no bowls and two year no TV for two violations. 1. A local tux shop did not charge a player for a tux rental so he could be in his friend's wedding. 2. An asst. coach gave a player a ride in his car to his hometown for spring vacation. The coach was going to the same town to visit relatives.

OUBLOWS

07-11-2007, 05:00 PM

It couldn't happen to a bigger bunch of jerks...if you know any OU fans, they are the most unreasonable, unrealistic, brainwashed fans in the country.

Here's to 0-12 in 2007.

Master___Pain

07-11-2007, 05:06 PM

good lord it just happend! I'm sure you stewed over it for a while...

No, not much stewing. It's a stupid ruling, but that what's the NCAA does best. The thing that irks me is OU fans whining about this, when CU got punished much harder. The thing that hurts CU is other schools are using this against them in recruiting, like they are SMU from the 80s or something.

SoonerBronco

07-11-2007, 05:30 PM

It couldn't happen to a bigger bunch of jerks...if you know any OU fans, they are the most unreasonable, unrealistic, brainwashed fans in the country.

Here's to 0-12 in 2007.

nice post...you do yourself much credit...

SoonerBronco

07-11-2007, 05:37 PM

No, not much stewing. It's a stupid ruling, but that what's the NCAA does best. The thing that irks me is OU fans whining about this, when CU got punished much harder. The thing that hurts CU is other schools are using this against them in recruiting, like they are SMU from the 80s or something.

whatever...every school negative recruits like that. Mack Brown has been telling recruits that were weren't going to any bowls for the next two years after these rulings came out. Big freaking deal...or as Dan Hawkins would say...

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Master___Pain

07-11-2007, 05:42 PM

whatever...every school negative recruits like that. Mack Brown has been telling recruits that were weren't going to any bowls for the next two years after these rulings came out. Big freaking deal...or as Dan Hawkins would say...

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Good point:thumbs:

SoonerBronco

07-11-2007, 05:46 PM

Good point:thumbs:

Man...I love that audio! "Go play intramurals brotha"...It's kinda like he channels Hulk Hogan or something.

good rappin with ya pain.

Master___Pain

07-11-2007, 05:57 PM

Man...I love that audio! "Go play intramurals brotha"...It's kinda like he channels Hulk Hogan or something.

good rappin with ya pain.

Anytime dirtburgler;D

CBF1

07-11-2007, 06:02 PM

NCAA has had it out for OU since the days of the greatest college coach ever Barry Switzer. EFFFFFFFFFFFF the NCAA

CBF1

07-11-2007, 06:02 PM

Anytime dirtburgler;D

Silly me always thought it was AZZ BURGLER :thumbsup:

Kid A

07-11-2007, 06:16 PM

So does Nebraska get to say our record was 9-3 in 2005? ha ha. Seriously though, it is weird to have an entire season stricken from the record. At least you just went to the Holiday bowl. If it had been a BCS season with a big XII championship, that would have sucked.

OUBLOWS

07-11-2007, 06:48 PM

nice post...you do yourself much credit...

I moved to Oklahoma in 1999, and had no real opinion either way on OU. After spending six years among Gooner fans, I have developed a passionate hatred for all things OU. Win they win, they're a-holes, win they lose, they whine and blame everyone but their coach and their players. It's the refs, it's the trick plays, etc...

SoonerBronco

07-11-2007, 06:56 PM

I moved to Oklahoma in 1999, and had no real opinion either way on OU. After spending six years among Gooner fans, I have developed a passionate hatred for all things OU. Win they win, they're a-holes, win they lose, they whine and blame everyone but their coach and their players. It's the refs, it's the trick plays, etc...

Every school has thier douche bags that ruin it for folks like yourself...95% of OU fans are good football fans...just ask any NU fan about how they feel about OU and the rivalry that we had with them.

Who do you cheer for BTW?

BroncoBuff

07-11-2007, 09:28 PM

2009: "And starting at quarterback for the Colorado Buffaloes ... Number 10, Landry Jones!"

NaptownChief

07-11-2007, 09:47 PM

Pain...don't tell me to get over it! It's BS plain and simple and it happened to my team. If if would have happened to the Buffs, I'm sure you'd feel the same way.

Get over it...and quit crying. That fact OU still has a basketball and football program with their long and storied history of cheating and corruption is a testament to the leniency of the NCAA.

Switzer, Tubbs, Sampson, Stoops......Probably the only one not cheating was Blake and we saw how that worked out. !Booya!

Kid A

07-11-2007, 09:49 PM

Every school has thier douche bags that ruin it for folks like yourself...95% of OU fans are good football fans...just ask any NU fan about how they feel about OU and the rivalry that we had with them.

Who do you cheer for BTW?

This is true. When you have to live in the middle of a fan base that you aren't a member of you are going to get sick of the fans and their team. God knows I'm sick of K-state fans. At OU-NU games I've gone to OU fans as a whole have always been classy.

NaptownChief

07-11-2007, 09:49 PM

It couldn't happen to a bigger bunch of jerks...if you know any OU fans, they are the most unreasonable, unrealistic, brainwashed fans in the country.

Here's to 0-12 in 2007.

I take it you have met SoonerBronco already.

TheChamp24

07-11-2007, 09:51 PM

I moved to Oklahoma in 1999, and had no real opinion either way on OU. After spending six years among Gooner fans, I have developed a passionate hatred for all things OU. Win they win, they're a-holes, win they lose, they whine and blame everyone but their coach and their players. It's the refs, it's the trick plays, etc...

I go to OU, and I will say OU fans are extremely passionate. And from what I can tell, they are just about all the Bronco fans.
And the whining, hmm, Oregon? Absolutely 100% had a gripe in that game
Boise State? That was pathetic, they should have won that game and blew it, 100% on the players there(especially Paul thompson).

BroncoBuff

07-11-2007, 09:52 PM

BTW - since when do teams on probation get to play in Bowl games? I thought they were barred from post-season ???

ohiobronco2

07-11-2007, 10:20 PM

This kind of stuff goes on at just about every program. It is well beyond the control of the coaches and staff. Too many programs strictly recruit talent without considering character. As an OSU fan I know first hand how difficult these punishments can be. Troy Smith made a stupid mistake and received a small amount of compensation. O'Brien payed for his error and so did the university. I believe OSU received a three year probation and was ordered to pay back all tournament money earned from 1999-2002. Also, Ohio State had to remove all references to team accomplishments from those years including a 1999 visit to the Final Four. Oklahoma is just the flavor of the month. There will be another scandal in the future which will shift the media's focus.

NaptownChief

07-11-2007, 10:30 PM

This kind of stuff goes on at just about every program.

At least that is what all the fans of the programs that have been caught cheating say....

ohiobronco2

07-11-2007, 10:43 PM

At least that is what all the fans of the programs that have been caught cheating say....

What college program do you follow?

TexanBob

07-11-2007, 11:33 PM

Well, at least the 45-12 ass-whooping the Sooners took at the hands of Vince Young and the Texas Longhorns still stands.

As to the punishment, here's what's up. Bomar and Quinn weren't being paid by just any car dealership. They were being paid by a dealership that was owned by an OU booster. To their credit, the Sooners turned themselves in but, by that time, Bomar and Quinn had already played the entire 2005 season. NCAA rules have long stated that if you play a sporting event with ineligible players, you must forfeit those games. By taking the payments, the players had made themselves ineligible so, therefore, the games in which they played must be forfeited.

As to the future scholarships, one can always debate the fairness of it but it is really a slap on the wrist when they'll still have around 20 scholarships to pass out each of those seasons.

As to the Troy Smith situation, my understanding is that he did not play between the time he received the money and the time it was discovered so the suspension was appropriate.

Now, with USC, should they find Bush *knew* about the under-the-table arrangement with the agent and the parents (likely) then that would have made him ineligible from the time he was first made aware of it to the time he graduated, meaning USC should forfeit all the games in which he played from the time that arrangement was struck. It is a bit stickier, though, because USC won national titles and Bush won the Heisman so it would be harder for the NCAA to drop the hammer on them. I don't know if they are even investigating but they should and let the chips fall where they may.

Do the NC trophy and the Heisman come with erasers?

Kaylore

07-12-2007, 12:02 AM

The Boz had it right a long time ago....http://www.txcn.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/colleges/redrivershootout/images/1985bosworth.jpg

The Boz never had it right.

OUBLOWS

07-12-2007, 08:32 AM

Every school has thier douche bags that ruin it for folks like yourself...95% of OU fans are good football fans...just ask any NU fan about how they feel about OU and the rivalry that we had with them.

Who do you cheer for BTW?

95% is pushing it. I would say closer to 70% are good fans. If it were 95%, I wouldn't be posting this. I know every school has douche bags, but in my opinion, OU has more. As far as the Oregon game, everyone forgets OU's defense let Oregon score before that onside kick. I, unfortunately, cheer for the Jayhawks. It's been a couple of rough years under Mangina, but this year looks better.

NaptownChief

07-12-2007, 09:37 AM

What college program do you follow?

Indiana.....and that is probably why we have sucked for the last 15 years because we don't buy players....but regardless we don't buy kids with anything more than a scholarship.

shakenbake

07-12-2007, 09:46 AM

.http://www.statesmanblogs.com/userphotos/riverace/soonerkidcrying.jpg

NaptownChief

07-12-2007, 09:49 AM

.http://www.statesmanblogs.com/userphotos/riverace/soonerkidcrying.jpg

Is that SoonerBronco?

shakenbake

07-12-2007, 09:55 AM

Is that SoonerBronco?

I think its the entire Sooner fan base.

NaptownChief

07-12-2007, 10:07 AM

I think its the entire Sooner fan base.

So prior to the Sooners, who is the last BCS conference school to not win a single game in a season?

NaptownChief

07-12-2007, 10:09 AM

After going 0-12, is Stoops winning % any better than Blakes? Hilarious!

SoonerBronco

07-12-2007, 10:17 AM

I know you guys were obsessed with us...but I didn't think it was that bad.

So Nappy is a Hoosier and a Queef??? That guy is obsessed with anything that has a winning record.

BTW, maybe Coach Sampson will bring you some NCAA joy.

SoonerBronco

07-12-2007, 10:18 AM

After going 0-12, is Stoops winning % any better than Blakes? Hilarious!

Actually the record is 0-4, the wins were "vacated"...whatever that means, but I woundn't expect you to do research or put serious thought into anything.

NaptownChief

07-12-2007, 10:21 AM

BTW, maybe Coach Sampson will bring you some NCAA joy.

Maybe...once we clean the Sooner taint and cheating ways off of him.

NaptownChief

07-12-2007, 10:22 AM

Actually the record is 0-4, the wins were "vacated"...whatever that means, but I woundn't expect you to do research or put serious thought into anything.

Why would I waste time to put any serious thought into the Sooners...Nobody outside of Oklahoma gives a rats arse about them.

Garcia Bronco

07-12-2007, 10:25 AM

Everybody I talk too about this basically agrees that this is a ridiculous situation.

SoonerBronco

07-12-2007, 10:25 AM

Why would I waste time to put any serious thought into the Sooners...Nobody outside of Oklahoma gives a rats arse about them.

with over 6000 posts on a Broncos fan website, I'd say that qualifies you as a very good time waster.

shakenbake

07-12-2007, 10:33 AM

Everybody I talk too about this basically agrees that this is a ridiculous situation.

It seems pretty ridiculous to me. They did the right thing by getting rid of the guys involved. I am sure that there are schools that the NCAA looks at a little harder than others given their history. I am sure there is some of that in play here. That being said screw ou and their cheating ways. :wiggle:

SoonerBronco

07-12-2007, 10:42 AM

That being said screw ou and their cheating ways. :wiggle:

Shake...you suckLOL

NaptownChief

07-12-2007, 10:50 AM

I'd say that qualifies you as a very good time waster.

considering I have been willing to exhange conversation with you the above statement is probably pretty fair.

BroncoBuff

07-12-2007, 11:54 AM

Actually the record is 0-4, the wins were "vacated"...whatever that means, but I woundn't expect you to do research or put serious thought into anything.

I'll give you one thing ... those Pac 10 refs "vacated" your win at Oregon.

That was a real shame - sincerely. I want Big XII to beat other conferences.

DenverBrit

07-12-2007, 12:02 PM

Why would I waste time to put any serious thought into the Sooners...Nobody outside of Oklahoma gives a rats arse about them.

Either your joking or clueless.
I have run into OU fans all over the country.
No out of state team has better success recruiting in Texas than OU, they have a huge following there..

NaptownChief

07-12-2007, 12:41 PM

Either your joking or clueless.
I have run into OU fans all over the country.
No out of state team has better success recruiting in Texas than OU, they have a huge following there..

Somebody is clueless here that is for certain. You ever heard of giving someone a hard time? Kicking them when they are down?

I'm well aware that OU football has a big following. But we all appreciate you stating the obvious.

DenverBrit

07-12-2007, 02:05 PM

Somebody is clueless here that is for certain. You ever heard of giving someone a hard time? Kicking them when they are down?

I'm well aware that OU football has a big following. But we all appreciate you stating the obvious.

Like I said, clueless or joking.

You're a Chiefs fan, who could know. :clown:

SoonerBronco

07-12-2007, 02:39 PM

Popcorn Sutton

07-12-2007, 02:52 PM

Somebody is clueless here that is for certain. You ever heard of giving someone a hard time? Kicking them when they are down?

Sure, but your treating him like he's a Raiders Fan... sheesh.

SoonerBronco

07-12-2007, 03:11 PM

Sure, but your treating him like he's a Raiders Fan... sheesh.

It's alright Brew, no one around here likes to eat trash, so I'm sure no one takes much from his posts anyway.

NaptownChief

07-12-2007, 03:20 PM

It's alright Brew, no one around here likes to eat trash, so I'm sure no one takes much from his posts anyway.

Trash? Sooner Nation has been eating from the dumpsters for years. Trash is what you guys drag out and worship year in and year out. Look at the thugs that have ran through OU's bball and football programs. Hollaway is still the poster child of OU football. My grandchildren will likely graduate from college before the next OU bball or football player does and I haven't even had any kids yet.

SoonerBronco

07-12-2007, 03:34 PM

Trash? Sooner Nation has been eating from the dumpsters for years. Trash is what you guys drag out and worship year in and year out. Look at the thugs that have ran through OU's bball and football programs. Hollaway is still the poster child of OU football. My grandchildren will likely graduate from college before the next OU bball or football player does and I haven't even had any kids yet.

Someone over 20 years ago is all you can come up with? I'm disappointed. You usually bring it a little stronger than that.

BTW it wasn't H-o-l-l-i-e-w-a-y that was the poster child, it was Charles Thompson that you are thinking of.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/d/da/200px-CharlesThompsonSI-01.jpg

But again, I wouldn't expect you to actually research anything...

NaptownChief

07-12-2007, 03:40 PM

Someone over 20 years ago is all you can come up with? I'm disappointed. You usually bring it a little stronger than that.

BTW it wasn't H-o-l-l-i-e-w-a-y that was the poster child, it was Charles Thompson that you are thinking of.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/d/da/200px-CharlesThompsonSI-01.jpg

But again, I wouldn't expect you to actually research anything...

I wasn't implying Hollaway was the one that was hauled off in cuff, just the poster boy of OU football and certainly the leader of the team during the really bad thug era. I am glad you brought out that cover however as it does speak volumes of the OU programs.

All you have to do is look at the NCAA graduation reports that give details and you will see in the notes to about 1/3rd of the players stating they were arrested and never graduated.

SoonerBronco

07-12-2007, 04:04 PM

I wasn't implying Hollaway was the one that was hauled off in cuff, just the poster boy of OU football and certainly the leader of the team during the really bad thug era. I am glad you brought out that cover however as it does speak volumes of the OU programs.

All you have to do is look at the NCAA graduation reports that give details and you will see in the notes to about 1/3rd of the players stating they were arrested and never graduated.

That was a while back, but hey living in the past is typical for cheeps fans.

Jens1893

07-12-2007, 04:05 PM

Why don´t you two put each other on ignore and be done with it?

SoonerBronco

07-12-2007, 04:08 PM

Why don´t you two put each other on ignore and be done with it?

:wave:

NaptownChief

07-12-2007, 04:37 PM

Why don´t you two put each other on ignore and be done with it?

The ignore feature is pretty much the internet equivelant of running to mommy cause you can't take it anymore.

And for that matter if I want to ignore someone I don't need to the computer to do it for me....look at Footsteps for example, his long winded 2000 word responses get ignored by nearly everyone even without the feature. ;D

TheChamp24

07-12-2007, 05:38 PM

95% is pushing it. I would say closer to 70% are good fans. If it were 95%, I wouldn't be posting this. I know every school has douche bags, but in my opinion, OU has more. As far as the Oregon game, everyone forgets OU's defense let Oregon score before that onside kick. I, unfortunately, cheer for the Jayhawks. It's been a couple of rough years under Mangina, but this year looks better.

I know they should've held Oregon from scoring, but the game should've been over after that onside kick. Not only did Oregon illegally touch it, but OU recovered it for gods sake. I don't even know how they could've ruled Oregon recovered that. Those refs were HORRIBLE, especially the booth reviewer. I mean, seriously, how can they screw up THAT badly?

NaptownChief

07-12-2007, 05:53 PM

I know they should've held Oregon from scoring, but the game should've been over after that onside kick. Not only did Oregon illegally touch it, but OU recovered it for gods sake. I don't even know how they could've ruled Oregon recovered that. Those refs were HORRIBLE, especially the booth reviewer. I mean, seriously, how can they screw up THAT badly?

That is the beef I have with refs and review....not that they blow live calls, I have no problem with that as it isn't easy to see everything all the time but completely screwing up replay calls. How do you screw those up so often when you can watch it over and over at any speed they chose? And they screw them up often. And I am not talking about inconclusive stuff either, blatantly obvious stuff and yet they still screw it up.

TheChamp24

07-12-2007, 05:58 PM

That is the beef I have with refs and review....not that they blow live calls, I have no problem with that as it isn't easy to see everything all the time but completely screwing up replay calls. How do you screw those up so often when you can watch it over and over at any speed they chose? And they screw them up often. And I am not talking about inconclusive stuff either, blatantly obvious stuff and yet they still screw it up.

I will say that NCAA refs/officials are tons worse than NFL refs. We think the NFL refs do a horrible job at times, but man, some of those NCAA guys just make you want to stab someone.

TexanBob

07-12-2007, 07:37 PM

J.C. Watts was an OU quarterback. He turned out okay.

NaptownChief

07-12-2007, 08:04 PM

J.C. Watts was an OU quarterback. He turned out okay.

That is true....a good republican I might add. So it is definitely not fair for us to say all OU athletes are dumb thugs.....just most of them.

BroncoBuff

07-12-2007, 09:31 PM

Is now a good time to remind everybody that Pat Bowlen is an Oklahoma Sooner?

DenverBrit

07-12-2007, 11:34 PM

Is now a good time to remind everybody that Pat Bowlen is an Oklahoma Sooner?

It sure is.
Pat and I often get together for a few beers, sing Boomer Sooner and throw out a few cow chips. :thumbsup: