read about an al Qaida atrocity

[spdirty]

A better link is probably out there, but oh well.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread290841/pg1

these animals deserve a lot worse than panties on their heads or getting waterboarded. Man, just imagine being a parent of one of these kids when this were to happen.

[sirhcyennek81]

Impending malestrom of liberal whining in 3...2...1...


:Broncos:

[spdirty]

oh here's a better link

http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/baqubah-update-05-july-2007.htm

[spdirty]

oh crap I put it in the wrong forum. Oh well.:ouwknow:

[Spider]

even the innocent ones ?
thats what has gotten lost ....... the innocent vs the guilty ......... is it ok to torture innocent people ?
How many in abu grahib were let go because they were innocent ?
sirhcyennek81 , you are one ignorant son of a Bitch .......

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Impending malestrom of liberal whining in 3...2...1...

Impending covering of Bush's flank in 3...2...1....

http://www.bartcop.com/detour-to-iraq.gif

[TheDave]

not saying this isn't true, but this has "i want more readers to visit my blog" written all over it...

[baja]

I think it is bull shiit.

[Rigs11]

What's the name of that one guy that boils people alive?Oh yeah, president karimov of Uzbekistan.One of our allies. he was invited to the white house not to long ago.Oh yeah and he received 500 million in aid from us.Oh and he also decided to stay in office after his term was up.But damn them Al Qaeda sure are bad folk

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/images/k-bush-ap-pic.jpg

[spdirty]

You people just absolutely amaze me. Nobody says "Thats ****ed up" or "what a bunch of bastards" from any of you. Nothing but either "oh its bull****, al Qaida wouldn't do that" or its "Bush sucks."

Just, for a minute imagine, you are sitting at a table, ready to eat, and you see your preteen boy rolled out there baked like a hog at a cookout. Thats your son. I mean hell, thats the first thing that came to my mind when I read this. I don't know, maybe I'm weird for thinking that this probably has an 80% chance of being true, and thinking that the people who do this are bad. Maybe I'm just ****ing nuts for wishing the worst possible way of dieing for these subhumans. I don't know.

[Rigs11]

No it's you. For failing to see the hypocrisy.And your copout that we "think bush sucks". there are atrocities that are committed by many. Alqaeda is a dispecable organization, but then again when I point out an ally that boils people alive, it goes completely over your head and you call me a bush hater. That is the problem with people like you, you follow this corrupt government when they tell you how bad alqaeda and you turn your head when they are an ally.

[baja]

You people just absolutely amaze me. Nobody says "Thats ****ed up" or "what a bunch of bastards" from any of you. Nothing but either "oh its bull****, al Qaida wouldn't do that" or its "Bush sucks."

Just, for a minute imagine, you are sitting at a table, ready to eat, and you see your preteen boy rolled out there baked like a hog at a cookout. Thats your son. I mean hell, thats the first thing that came to my mind when I read this. I don't know, maybe I'm weird for thinking that this probably has an 80% chance of being true, and thinking that the people who do this are bad. Maybe I'm just ****ing nuts for wishing the worst possible way of dieing for these subhumans. I don't know.

The problem that I see is you believe this story because you want to believe this story, never mind there is not one shred of evidence to authentic the story.

If this were true don't you think the American press would be all over this?

Were it true this story might get top billing in Bush's next SOTU address, wait I guess rather it's true or not would be irrelevant.

[mosca]

I can't know for 100% if it's true or not, but Michael Yon reported it, and he's a credible source in my eyes. If what was reported is the case, that's absolutely horrible. I can't even imagine what would be going thru those parents' minds.

[Bob]

No it's you. For failing to see the hypocrisy.And your copout that we "think bush sucks". there are atrocities that are committed by many. Alqaeda is a dispecable organization, but then again when I point out an ally that boils people alive, it goes completely over your head and you call me a bush hater. That is the problem with people like you, you follow this corrupt government when they tell you how bad alqaeda and you turn your head when they are an ally.


You are 100% correct -- when there is evil committed in anyone's name we should stand up to it -- that is what the US should be about. I just dont think we are always more evil than those we are fighting. There are many in the US, who are very prone to believe that the US is ALWAYS the evil party, and this self-loathing will likely eventually get us killed. If it doesn’t, to the degree we buy into it, it makes us weaker. Armed with this self-loathing and beautifully adapted Catholic (or should I say Druid-driven-guilt) we are prepared to loose any battle against any foe, because we attack ourselves, and turn on the troops first and second guess them before our enemy. We Embed traitors with our troops that hate America, and want us to loose. We buy into the notion that Cuba’s health care system is really better than our own. We look at Europe as a model to emulate? That whole continent is walking into a demographic abyss, with birthrates so low that many of those counties will literally be halving themselves in thirty years. The socialist healthcare systems in these nations may be neat for those that are getting their slice right now, but with birth rates at 1.1 per couple in Spain, (and 1 .4) across Europe) it will have to implode at some point – But at least we will all live to see their healthcare experiment unfold, at about the same time as their “peace-loving” Muslim neighbors (who are having children at rates at 3.5 per couple) are implementing Shiria law, as a lovely prelude.

If these ideas piss you off, tell me where I am wrong, rather than dismiss me as a bigot, which so many are willing to do – the left and right label and dismiss. That is intellectually lazy. Folks have a hard time dealing with ideas especially if they don’t mesh with previous notions, heaven forbid anyone changes their minds, and comes to understand without another 911 that we ARE AT WAR whether we like it or not, whether we pull out or not.

But I digress…

We seem to be willing to call Christians evil, but Muslims are always “freedom fighters” or “brave young clerics” Do those “left of center” really think the USA should be punished for what we have? Or does it just seem that way? Its like some type of collective white guilt. Go flog yourself, if it will help your conscience.

Even the stupid cartoon above is a reflection of how short-sighted the Bush haters are. I hate him now too (for different reasons) Bush may have been diverted in his “war on terror” but the enemy is not Bin Ladin either. Muslim Extremism is what the West should be at war with, but we are not. Mind you, they are at war with the West and have been for sometime. Even "the war on Terror" is a stupid phrase, just as it would have been silly to say we were at war against war with Blitzkrieg in WWII. We are not at war against a military tactic, we are in a war (whether we like it or not) with an enemy who is looking for political and religious dominance. 70 years ago we knew we were at war with German Fascism and Japan Imperialism, and thank goodness the media then was not willing to sacrifice the nation for political correctness, and political gain. If it had been we would all be very good little Germans and Jew haters.

[mosca]

More from Michael Yon on the controversy surrounding story:

"People at home might find it incredible, improbable, even impossible. Yet here in combat with al Qaeda, the idea is no more improbable-sounding than someone saying 'The chicken crossed the road.' Maybe the chicken crossed the road. Maybe not. The veterans I’ve been talking with here have no difficulty imagining the chicken crossing the road, or al Qaeda roasting kids. Sickening, yes. Improbable, no."

http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/second-chances.htm

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

No it's you. For failing to see the hypocrisy.And your copout that we "think bush sucks". there are atrocities that are committed by many. Alqaeda is a dispecable organization, but then again when I point out an ally that boils people alive, it goes completely over your head and you call me a bush hater. That is the problem with people like you, you follow this corrupt government when they tell you how bad alqaeda and you turn your head when they are an ally.

+1 :thumbsup:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

What's the name of that one guy that boils people alive?Oh yeah, president karimov of Uzbekistan.One of our allies. he was invited to the white house not to long ago.Oh yeah and he received 500 million in aid from us.Oh and he also decided to stay in office after his term was up.But damn them Al Qaeda sure are bad folk

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/images/k-bush-ap-pic.jpg

Almost a million dead

More than in the Rwandan genocide. More than under Saddam. Based on the only scientific study of Iraqi deaths.


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[Spider]

You people just absolutely amaze me. Nobody says "Thats ****ed up" or "what a bunch of bastards" from any of you. Nothing but either "oh its bull****, al Qaida wouldn't do that" or its "Bush sucks."

Just, for a minute imagine, you are sitting at a table, ready to eat, and you see your preteen boy rolled out there baked like a hog at a cookout. Thats your son. I mean hell, thats the first thing that came to my mind when I read this. I don't know, maybe I'm weird for thinking that this probably has an 80% chance of being true, and thinking that the people who do this are bad. Maybe I'm just ****ing nuts for wishing the worst possible way of dieing for these subhumans. I don't know.

probably 80% chance it is real ?
what kind of percentage is that ? I have grave doubts , this story is remotely true , one thing these people are , they are religious , cut your head off in a moments notice , they follow the Koran , I havent read anything abut cooking kids . blowing ones self up for a jihad , beheading , not eating pork , killing Jews ....
these people are screwed up , no questions about it , but they dont stray from their Religion ,and seriously havent we had enough lies about our enemy ?

[mosca]

these people are screwed up , no questions about it , but they dont stray from their Religion ,and seriously havent we had enough lies about our enemy ?
Are you familiar with the idea of their religion being "hijacked" by the extremists? The "al-Qaeda" don't truly give a damn about the religion or what's taught in the Koran. It's all just an excuse to exercise power over others, similar to how many other organized religions have ended up around the world.

[Spider]

Are you familiar with the idea of their religion being "hijacked" by the extremists? The "al-Qaeda" don't truly give a damn about the religion or what's taught in the Koran. It's all just an excuse to exercise power over others, similar to how many other organized religions have ended up around the world.

just their religion ? alot of religions get high jacked
but other then that you are off the mark , Whabbism is one of the most extreme
but you would be hard pressed to find them doin something that the Koran doesnt approve of ....... you are dead wrong about Al Qadea ..... they are a bunch of assholes , but they literally follow the Koran , a moderate Muslim does not , the same can be said for alot of christians and the bible .. but roasting Kids and eating them are not part of the Koran , now I challenge you to find a respectable source to back the claims made in this thread ..........
it is your kind of thinking that got us in the mess , in Iraq , we have very little understand of these people , and they way they view things ........

[Spider]

How well can you fight an enemy you dont understand ?
Making up stories as outlandish as this one doesnt help anyones causes ........ and people wonder why the rest of the world thinks we are full of ****

[Chupacabra]

I'm not sure I can believe that...why wouldn't it make headlines?

Regardless of its truthiness, I'd like to see all al Queda monsters dead.

[Chupacabra]

btw, who is Michael Yon? I read his wiki bio but that doesn't tell me too terribly much.

[Spider]

I'm not sure I can believe that...why wouldn't it make headlines?

Regardless of its truthiness, I'd like to see all al Queda monsters dead.

I still want to see Bin Ladins ass frog marched all the way to ground Zero , and Patreous , putting his foot up Bin Ladens ass each step of the way ........then hung or shot ...... or maybe both ....

[Chupacabra]

I still want to see Bin Ladins ass frog marched all the way to ground Zero , and Patreous , putting his foot up Bin Ladens ass each step of the way ........then hung or shot ...... or maybe both ....

I could get waaay more creative than that.

[mosca]

just their religion ? alot of religions get high jacked
but other then that you are off the mark , Whabbism is one of the most extreme
but you would be hard pressed to find them doin something that the Koran doesnt approve of ....... you are dead wrong about Al Qadea ..... they are a bunch of a-holes , but they literally follow the Koran , a moderate Muslim does not , the same can be said for alot of christians and the bible .. but roasting Kids and eating them are not part of the Koran , now I challenge you to find a respectable source to back the claims made in this thread ..........
The respectable source has already been identified: Michael Yon. He's a hell of a lot more respectable than the mainstream media. On the ground, in Iraq, he personally interviewed an Iraqi official who told him of this story.

Yes, there's some stuff in the Koran advocating the terrorist actions that al-Qaeda and other Muslim extremists are doing. But at the same time, there's other passages in the Koran denouncing such killing of innocents. The extremists pick and choose the passages that fit their ideology. The brains behind their operation are exploiting the religion and the sheeple who end up being their foot-soldiers in their war. If you buy into the ploy that they are all pious Muslims who only want to follow what the Koran says, then they've got you fooled, too.

[mosca]

I'm not sure I can believe that...why wouldn't it make headlines?
Probably the same reason that the mass grave found at al Ahamir didn't make headlines.

btw, who is Michael Yon? I read his wiki bio but that doesn't tell me too terribly much.
He's an independent blogger covering the conflict in Iraq, in person. Check out his website at http://www.michaelyon-online.com. I'd call it required reading for anyone who wants an up-close view of the U.S. military in Iraq, beyond what we're fed in the mainstream media. His last few updates in particular have been excellent. He also goes into detail on the sources for the controversial story mentioned at the beginning of this thread.

[Spider]

The respectable source has already been identified: Michael Yon. He's a hell of a lot more respectable than the mainstream media. On the ground, in Iraq, he personally interviewed an Iraqi official who told him of this story.

Yes, there's some stuff in the Koran advocating the terrorist actions that al-Qaeda and other Muslim extremists are doing. But at the same time, there's other passages in the Koran denouncing such killing of innocents. The extremists pick and choose the passages that fit their ideology. The brains behind their operation are exploiting the religion and the sheeple who end up being their foot-soldiers in their war. If you buy into the ploy that they are all pious Muslims who only want to follow what the Koran says, then they've got you fooled, too.

give it up ........... seriously ........ you know you are bull****ting your way through this. the Koran states you meet a non believer , you either convert him or kill him ....... ****ing Innocents .......dude you are becoming a clown

[mosca]

give it up ........... seriously ........ you know you are bull****ting your way through this. the Koran states you meet a non believer , you either convert him or kill him ....... ****ing Innocents .......dude you are becoming a clown
As far as I know, the convert/kill thing you are talking about applies to infidels... in other words, atheists - not Christians or Jews. This would also explain the concept of dhimmitude.

On top of that, there are passages in the Koran which denounce terrorist acts killing innocents:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2001/09/15/koran.htm#more
Koran doesn't condone killing innocents, experts say

By Raju Chebium, Gannett News Service

WASHINGTON — Despite television images showing some Muslims rejoicing over carnage in New York and Washington, most of the world's 1.2 billion Muslims don't support the holy war accused terrorist Osama bin Laden is said to be waging against the United States, Islam experts say. Mainstream Muslims derive a message of peace, not unprovoked violence, from the Koran, Islam's holy book. Most Muslims condemn radical clerics and militant fringe groups like bin Laden's organization for twisting the sacred words of peace for their own violent end, scholars say.

(more at link)

Again, al-Qaeda and similar fanatic groups pick and choose certain parts of the Koran in order to exploit those foolish enough to listen to them!

[Spider]

As far as I know, the convert/kill thing you are talking about applies to infidels... in other words, atheists - not Christians or Jews. This would also explain the concept of dhimmitude.

On top of that, there are passages in the Koran which denounce terrorist acts killing innocents:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2001/09/15/koran.htm#more
Koran doesn't condone killing innocents, experts say

By Raju Chebium, Gannett News Service

WASHINGTON — Despite television images showing some Muslims rejoicing over carnage in New York and Washington, most of the world's 1.2 billion Muslims don't support the holy war accused terrorist Osama bin Laden is said to be waging against the United States, Islam experts say. Mainstream Muslims derive a message of peace, not unprovoked violence, from the Koran, Islam's holy book. Most Muslims condemn radical clerics and militant fringe groups like bin Laden's organization for twisting the sacred words of peace for their own violent end, scholars say.

(more at link)

Again, al-Qaeda and similar fanatic groups pick and choose certain parts of the Koran in order to exploit those foolish enough to listen to them!

not really , much like you have Baptist and Catholics , etc ...... thdey all believe a different thing , what you are doing is throwing the Sunni and the ****te in with Al Qadea who is whabbism ....... much like me calling a Jehovah Witness a catholic ...... or a Mormon a southern baptist ......let me put this way , Whabbism is the militant wing of Islam , I dont know if this will work or not , but Like in the old testament of the bible , the sacrafices , selling of Daughters , stonings etc ..... the Whabbism would be along those lines of the Koran .... I am getting in deeper then I really know , but I do know there is a huge difference in the different sects of Islam

[mosca]

not really , much like you have Baptist and Catholics , etc ...... thdey all believe a different thing , what you are doing is throwing the Sunni and the ****te in with Al Qadea who is whabbism ....... much like me calling a Jehovah Witness a catholic ...... or a Mormon a southern baptist ......let me put this way , Whabbism is the militant wing of Islam , I dont know if this will work or not , but Like in the old testament of the bible , the sacrafices , selling of Daughters , stonings etc ..... the Whabbism would be along those lines of the Koran .... I am getting in deeper then I really know , but I do know there is a huge difference in the different sects of Islam
I'm not really talking about the Sunnis or Shiites.

What you say here about the Wahhabbis is right though- now what I'm getting at is - the extremist promoters and figureheads of Wahhabbism, Bin Laden is just one example, do they actually believe this stuff? Or do they just put it out there in order to control people and use it as a platform to gain power? Take Bin Laden... he basically says "I'm angry that U.S. forces are in our lands", even though he accepted U.S. help in getting rid of the Soviets. And just because he says so, we're supposed to believe him that he's a devout Muslim? In the meantime, his followers kill thousands upon thousands of innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm not convinced that he gives a damn about his "religion" at all.

[Spider]

I'm not really talking about the Sunnis or Shiites.

What you say here about the Wahhabbis is right though- now what I'm getting at is - the extremist promoters and figureheads of Wahhabbism, Bin Laden is just one example, do they actually believe this stuff? Or do they just put it out there in order to control people and use it as a platform to gain power? Take Bin Laden... he basically says "I'm angry that U.S. forces are in our lands", even though he accepted U.S. help in getting rid of the Soviets. And just because he says so, we're supposed to believe him that he's a devout Muslim? In the meantime, his followers kill thousands upon thousands of innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm not convinced that he gives a damn about his "religion" at all.
ok Iam seeing what you are saying , I dont know what they believe for sure , to be honest I am not sure they do either .......I do believe the foot soldiers of Al Qadea believe 100% though .......my bad I misunderstood your post

[mosca]

It seems to me just another version of what we have here in this country with a lot of the evangelicals and the TV preachers... the Jimmy Swaggerts, the Jim Bakkers, the Ted Haggarts. They say they believe in one thing, but it's really just a ploy for power, money, respect, you name it.

[mosca]

I do believe the foot soldiers of Al Qadea believe 100% though
Yep... and notice that it's always the foot soldiers that are the ones sent in to do the suicide bombings, not any of the decision-makers. The little guys, foot soldiers if you may, they might hate America or the West already, Wahhabbism and al-Qaeda etc. capitalize on this sentiment of theirs and exploit it.

[Spider]

Yep... and notice that it's always the foot soldiers that are the ones sent in to do the suicide bombings, not any of the decision-makers. The little guys, foot soldiers if you may, they might hate America or the West already, Wahhabbism and al-Qaeda etc. capitalize on this sentiment of theirs and exploit it.

I agree on this , I dont there is any question about it ..... I misunderstood your post and went off in another direction ...... I need GPS for a message board ;D

[Bronco Bob]

And while Bush fiddle-faddles around in Iraq and destroys our military,
al-Quada has rebuilt itself on the Pakistani border to the point where it
is as powerful now as it was before 9/11.
People criticized Clinton for falsely claiming he wasn't doing anything
about al-Quada and letting bin Laden go, yet Bush gets a free pass
by these very same people.
I guess Bush is hoping nothing happens on his watch and the next
guy (or gal) will get blamed when al-Quada blows up something
big here again.

[Bob]

As far as I know, the convert/kill thing you are talking about applies to infidels... in other words, atheists - not Christians or Jews. This would also explain the concept of dhimmitude.

On top of that, there are passages in the Koran which denounce terrorist acts killing innocents:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2001/09/15/koran.htm#more
Koran doesn't condone killing innocents, experts say

By Raju Chebium, Gannett News Service

WASHINGTON — Despite television images showing some Muslims rejoicing over carnage in New York and Washington, most of the world's 1.2 billion Muslims don't support the holy war accused terrorist Osama bin Laden is said to be waging against the United States, Islam experts say. Mainstream Muslims derive a message of peace, not unprovoked violence, from the Koran, Islam's holy book. Most Muslims condemn radical clerics and militant fringe groups like bin Laden's organization for twisting the sacred words of peace for their own violent end, scholars say.

(more at link)

Again, al-Qaeda and similar fanatic groups pick and choose certain parts of the Koran in order to exploit those foolish enough to listen to them!

So "most of 1.2 BILLION" dont support killing innocent folks in the name of thier faith? Pew research firm polls conucted in America and abroad indicated that you are right that most dont think that killing innocent folks is the answer. But the problem is 26% in AMERICA do, and larger percentages in Middle eastern counties. Do you know how many it took to cause 911? Do you know what 10% of 1.2 billion is? So, we are supposed be be thrilled that only 26% of Muslim folks think that strapping a bomb on a child and directing them to the public market is a good thing?

[mosca]

So "most of 1.2 BILLION" dont support killing innocent folks in the name of thier faith? Pew research firm polls conucted in America and abroad indicated that you are right that most dont think that killing innocent folks is the answer. But the problem is 26% in AMERICA do, and larger percentages in Middle eastern counties. Do you know how many it took to cause 911? Do you know what 10% of 1.2 billion is? So, we are supposed be be thrilled that only 26% of Muslim folks think that strapping a bomb on a child and directing them to the public market is a good thing?
I agree - the minority who believe that killing civilians/innocents in the name of their religion is justified is still a significant number. I am by no means trying to say that there is no threat from some of the Muslim population.

What I am questioning is whether or not the powers-that-be within "al-Qaeda" and other similar extremist groups are legit Muslims. I suspect they are just using that religion as a tool to control the significant number of Muslims who for whatever reason, have pre-existing anti-West sympathies.

[Bob]

I agree - the minority who believe that killing civilians/innocents in the name of their religion is justified is still a significant number. I am by no means trying to say that there is no threat from some of the Muslim population.

What I am questioning is whether or not the powers-that-be within "al-Qaeda" and other similar extremist groups are legit Muslims. I suspect they are just using that religion as a tool to control the significant number of Muslims who for whatever reason, have pre-existing anti-West sympathies.

They may not be, anymore than a "Christain" who bombs an abortion clinic is a real Christain, but lables mean little to me if we had 50,000 folks here in America that were willing to blowup clinics. Make sense?

One difference (among many) is that most Muslims are not standing up to that 26% who have these wicked views. Why not standup? Death? Perscution? Sympathy? I dont care, but if 10% act and 90% do nothing -- the 90% dont matter.

[mosca]

They may not be, anymore than a "Christain" who bombs an abortion clinic is a real Christain, but lables mean little to me if we had 50,000 folks here in America that were willing to blowup clinics. Make sense?

One difference (among many) is that most Muslims are not standing up to that 26% who have these wicked views. Why not standup? Death? Perscution? Sympathy? I dont care, but if 10% act and 90% do nothing -- the 90% dont matter.
I agree - its more important to focus on stopping violent terrorist actions that target innocent civilians, more so than focusing on labeling those who perpetrate such actions. But I do think that understanding the diverse motivations of the different groups we are fighting against has some importance. Basic Sun Tzu "know thy enemy" stuff.

We all wish the 90% would stand up and stop the violent 10% (or 26%), but simply ... it's easier said than done. If the 10% are violent thugs armed with bombs and all kinds of high-powered weapons, it's going to be pretty hard for that peaceful 90% to simply stomp them out of existence. In Iraq peoples' families are being murdered, tortured, beheaded, you name it... even reports of kids being baked. It's sad, but this is why many people are reluctant to stand up.

[sirhcyennek81]

Almost a million dead

More than in the Rwandan genocide. More than under Saddam. Based on the only scientific study of Iraqi deaths.


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Way to post the ramblings of the neocommunists. Do you like being a patsy or are you just servile by nature?


:Broncos:

[TheDave]

You people just absolutely amaze me. Nobody says "Thats ****ed up" or "what a bunch of bastards" from any of you. Nothing but either "oh its bull****, al Qaida wouldn't do that" or its "Bush sucks."

Just, for a minute imagine, you are sitting at a table, ready to eat, and you see your preteen boy rolled out there baked like a hog at a cookout. Thats your son. I mean hell, thats the first thing that came to my mind when I read this. I don't know, maybe I'm weird for thinking that this probably has an 80% chance of being true, and thinking that the people who do this are bad. Maybe I'm just ****ing nuts for wishing the worst possible way of dieing for these subhumans. I don't know.

****ed up things happen all over the world... Regardless if this is true or not, it is no more horrific than a 1,000 other horror stories. As a matter of fact if this story is true, it's just one more reason our boys shouldn't be over there. It's just a guess on my part, but if a certain portion of the Iraqi population believes that "Baking" someones child is the right way to influence their actions there is a good chance they are not ready for the responsibilities of a democracy.

As for your comments about "torture" my problem is that it has 2 major consequences.

1. It brings us down to their level in the eyes of the world.
2. It creates recruiting posters for these nuts that seem to be very effective.

All this for Intel that is considered suspect at best... Add to that, the majority of people held at Abu Gaheb(sp?) were innocent. Maybe I'm nuts, but I think that we can do better.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

A better link is probably out there, but oh well.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread290841/pg1

these animals deserve a lot worse than panties on their heads or getting waterboarded. Man, just imagine being a parent of one of these kids when this were to happen.How come no one is wondering why they are still around, stronger than ever, after Bush killing over 3500 Americans, maiming 50,000 more and spending at least 1.5 trillion to "fight" Al Qaida?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=58200

[baja]

Good Question

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Way to post the ramblings of the neocommunists. Do you like being a patsy or are you just servile by nature?


"Neocommunists?"

Your reading comprehension game is for sh*t, man.

What I posted was a link to a study, published in the prestigious medical journal The Lancet, on the Iraqi death toll since the court-appointed pinhead invaded.

Next time read before you spew your ignorant bile. tsk tsk

It is at least 10 times greater than most estimates cited in the US media, yet it is based on the only scientifically valid study of violent Iraqi deaths caused by the U.S.-led invasion of March 2003.

That study, published in prestigious medical journal The Lancet, estimated that over 600,000 Iraqis had been killed as a result of the invasion as of July 2006. Iraqis have continued to be killed since then. The graphic above provides a rough daily update of this number based on a rate of increase derived from the Iraq Body Count. (See the complete explanation.)

This devastating human toll demands greater recognition. It eclipses the Rwandan genocide and our leaders are directly responsible. Little wonder they do not publicly cite it. Here is simple HTML code to post the counter to your website and help spread the word.

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html