ESPN QB rankings

[jayman_37]

ESPN.com ranks all of the quarterback situations around the league. Denver isn't as high as I expected, but hey its a preseason ranking we'll see how we sit after the year. It's an insider article so I don't know if I am allowed to post the whole thing if I am then just let me know and I will put it all up.

20. Denver Broncos
Denver is now in the Jay Cutler era, and based on his five starts in 2006, the Broncos have a lot of good things on the horizon at the QB position. He has John Elway-type skills with a big arm, a lot of confidence and an uncanny ability to handle pressure. He still has to learn to be a little more patient, to take what the defense gives him and not go for it all on every play, but that will come in time. The Broncos made an excellent offseason move when they signed Patrick Ramsey. He not only has solid athletic skills and a strong arm, but he also has 24 NFL starts under his belt and is an excellent No. 2 QB. There isn't really a clear-cut No. 3 QB, but with Cutler and Ramsey, the Broncos are in good shape.

[penguintheory]

Given the unknowns, about fair.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Only 5 starts so far, they're right

[Derger_Louis]

32. Kansas City Chiefs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=kan)
With Trent Green now in Miami, it's time for the Damon Huard (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4180) era in Kansas City. Filling in for Green a year ago, Huard posted a 5-3 record and looked like a competent guy who could run this offense effectively. Brodie Croyle (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7834) is probably the future for the Chiefs and has better skills than Huard. While he's probably a year away from being ready, this could turn out to be a more intense training camp battle than most realize. The Chiefs will have to decide whether they can live with Croyle's growing pains or if they'll go with a less talented, but more consistent guy in Huard. Former CFL QB Casey Printers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=8112) has a ton of skills, but little NFL experience. Still, he's a quality No. 3 QB.

[broncosteven]

32. Kansas City Chiefs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=kan)
With Trent Green now in Miami, it's time for the Damon Huard (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4180) era in Kansas City. Filling in for Green a year ago, Huard posted a 5-3 record and looked like a competent guy who could run this offense effectively. Brodie Croyle (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7834) is probably the future for the Chiefs and has better skills than Huard. While he's probably a year away from being ready, this could turn out to be a more intense training camp battle than most realize. The Chiefs will have to decide whether they can live with Croyle's growing pains or if they'll go with a less talented, but more consistent guy in Huard. Former CFL QB Casey Printers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=8112) has a ton of skills, but little NFL experience. Still, he's a quality No. 3 QB.


But the Cheefs have the best WR tandem in the league! LOL

[Paladin]

Yeah, right.....

[KCStud]

[QUOTE=jayman_37;1640912] He has John Elway-type skills with a big arm, a lot of confidence and an uncanny ability to handle pressure.{/QUOTE]

When has Cutler proven this?

[KCStud]

32. Kansas City Chiefs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=kan)
With Trent Green now in Miami, it's time for the Damon Huard (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4180) era in Kansas City. Filling in for Green a year ago, Huard posted a 5-3 record and looked like a competent guy who could run this offense effectively. Brodie Croyle (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7834) is probably the future for the Chiefs and has better skills than Huard. While he's probably a year away from being ready, this could turn out to be a more intense training camp battle than most realize. The Chiefs will have to decide whether they can live with Croyle's growing pains or if they'll go with a less talented, but more consistent guy in Huard. Former CFL QB Casey Printers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=8112) has a ton of skills, but little NFL experience. Still, he's a quality No. 3 QB.

Wow this guy doesn't even know the facts. The starting QB job is Brodie's to lose, not Damon's...

[broncosteven]

[QUOTE=jayman_37;1640912] He has John Elway-type skills with a big arm, a lot of confidence and an uncanny ability to handle pressure.{/QUOTE]

When has Cutler proven this?

Bengal game, 49er game after sitting out the 2nd Q due to concussion & coming back after JAKE threw for a 0.0 QB rating and tied the game to force OT.

[ward63]

32. Kansas City Chiefs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=kan)
With Trent Green now in Miami, it's time for the Damon Huard (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4180) era in Kansas City. Filling in for Green a year ago, Huard posted a 5-3 record and looked like a competent guy who could run this offense effectively. Brodie Croyle (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7834) is probably the future for the Chiefs and has better skills than Huard. While he's probably a year away from being ready, this could turn out to be a more intense training camp battle than most realize. The Chiefs will have to decide whether they can live with Croyle's growing pains or if they'll go with a less talented, but more consistent guy in Huard. Former CFL QB Casey Printers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=8112) has a ton of skills, but little NFL experience. Still, he's a quality No. 3 QB.

I've never heard of a quality #3 QB since Jarious JacksonHilarious!

[Don Flamenco]

There isn't really a clear-cut No. 3 QB, but with Cutler and Ramsey, the Broncos are in good shape.

When was the last time we had 3 QBs for the season not including Rod?

[freak6]

Meaningless, no-knowledge, hack "journalism" from someone that probably watched 2 of his starts.

20. Denver Broncos

Jay Cutler still has to learn to be a little more patient, to take what the defense gives him and not go for it all on every play, but that will come in time.

Jay checked down plenty of times. Whoever this author is fits in great at ESPiN. This dude saw the deep bomb to Javon, read that he has a huge arm, and decided that Jay Cutler is a one trick pony.

Pathetic dribble of a 4th grade writer.

[KCStud]

[QUOTE=KCStud;1641065]

Bengal game, 49er game after sitting out the 2nd Q due to concussion & coming back after JAKE threw for a 0.0 QB rating and tied the game to force OT.

He did well in the Bengal game, but please don't use the 49er game. Cutler did not have "Elway like" abilities being able to handle pressure. The guy had not one, but two chances to take his team down the field and win the the game in OT and he couldn't do it.
As of right now, he has not shown very much of the features that the media is hyping him up to have already...

[Rock Chalk]

[QUOTE=broncosteven;1641071]

He did well in the Bengal game, but please don't use the 49er game. Cutler did not have "Elway like" abilities being able to handle pressure. The guy had not one, but two chances to take his team down the field and win the the game in OT and he couldn't do it.
As of right now, he has not shown very much of the features that the media is hyping him up to have already...

Eh, you waste your time.

You cant point out the flaws Cutler has as a QB here.

You can only point to his potential. Site rules apparently.

Some schmuck said I hated Cutler because, like an objective fan, I saw both the good and the bad from his 5 starts. I saw a lot of what I liked, I saw a lot of what I didnt like. Too often goes for the big play when we dont need it, has an ability to handle himself well under pressure, but continued pressure causes him to make mistakes Elway wouldnt have made so any Elwayesque comparisons are premature at this point.

Id like him not to thread any more needles until he gets a better feel of the game because once the defenders start realizing he can chuck that ball, they will be better prepared to make a play on it. He got lucky a few times last year because his velocity was mostly an unknown commodity, but I dont think he will be so lucky this year so I HOPE he learns to put it out of reach of any defenders regardless of how fast he throws it.

He does however have good field awareness and vision. He was dumb to stare down a few receivers last year but showed flashes of just knowing an open receiver was on the other side of where he was looking and then rocketed it over there real quick like. His mobility is good and he touch is good when he bothers to use it.

By mid season, he will be settled. Hope we can get to that point and still be in the hunt though.

[Atlas]

[QUOTE=jayman_37;1640912] He has John Elway-type skills with a big arm, a lot of confidence and an uncanny ability to handle pressure.{/QUOTE]

When has Cutler proven this?

I'm not exactly sure what that means. I know Cutler stands very tall in the pocket and will wait until the last second to throw the ball he isn't afraid of getting hit. I'm not sure that is an "uncanny ability to handle pressure" though.

Last year he got sacked a lot and he fumbled a lot. Both of those are to be expected in a guys first 5 starts though.

[Atlas]

Meaningless, no-knowledge, hack "journalism" from someone that probably watched 2 of his starts.

20. Denver Broncos

Jay Cutler still has to learn to be a little more patient, to take what the defense gives him and not go for it all on every play, but that will come in time.

Jay checked down plenty of times. Whoever this author is fits in great at ESPiN. This dude saw the deep bomb to Javon, read that he has a huge arm, and decided that Jay Cutler is a one trick pony.

Pathetic dribble of a 4th grade writer.

I have to disagree. Cutler was sacked a lot last year because he wouldn't check down and held onto the ball too long. Shanny has said as much. That's what they have been focusing on in th eoffseason. Jay checking down and taking what the defense gives him.

[sirhcyennek81]

20 sounds accurate. Jay will improve that number. They are actually in a decent spot, Cutler can only get better, and Ramsey is a great backup, we are lucky he picked us. It could be alot worse....like in KC...or Oakland...


:Broncos:

[maher_tyler]

Stupid KC fans, just wishing they had a QB half of what Cutler is!!!!

[freak6]

I have to disagree. Cutler was sacked a lot last year because he wouldn't check down and held onto the ball too long. Shanny has said as much. That's what they have been focusing on in th eoffseason. Jay checking down and taking what the defense gives him.

I think he was sacked alot because he was a rookie trying to read defenses behind a suspect O-line. To say he goes for the big play EVERY time as this author says is ridiculous garbage.

Ultimatum statements = lazy writing, research, and lack of knowledge.

[Kaylore]

Rookie QB's take a lot of sacks. The timer in their head is on slow-motion and they aren't used to the game speed of the NFL. In fact if you look at the three big rookie QB's from last year, all of them took too many sacks and fumbled quite a bit. It's part of learning the game. Yes, Cutler had George "the Sieve" Foster playing for him and that concussion is definitely on him, but many of those sacks were on him.

[KCStud]

20 sounds accurate. Jay will improve that number. They are actually in a decent spot, Cutler can only get better, and Ramsey is a great backup, we are lucky he picked us. It could be alot worse....like in KC...or Oakland...


:Broncos:

How is that considering Russell and Croyle have not started a game yet and Cutler is not at his best yet? Dumb post..

[Atlas]

I think he was sacked alot because he was a rookie trying to read defenses behind a suspect O-line. To say he goes for the big play EVERY time as this author says is ridiculous garbage.

Ultimatum statements = lazy writing, research, and lack of knowledge.

Percentage wise Cutler was sacked twice as much per attempt than Plummer. So you can't blame the Oline. I agree with the other part he was a rookie QB trying to read defenses but even Shanny has admitted that Cutler wasn't checking down. You can't argue that.

[Atlas]

How is that considering Russell and Croyle have not started a game yet and Cutler is not at his best yet? Dumb post..

Well, we'll have to take your word on that since you're the expert on dumb posts.

[KCStud]

Well, we'll have to take your word on that since you're the expert on dumb posts.

Ok here's a good post for ya. Cutler is not only the next Elway, but he is better than any QB who has ever lived..happy now?

[SureShot]

..happy now?

Only if you leave and never come back.

[KCStud]

Only if you leave and never come back.

Nah I find it hillarious how much you guys think Fay ****ler is the next Elway when he has never won anything in his life..it's better than comedy central!Hilarious!

[SureShot]

Nah I find it hillarious how much you guys think Fay ****ler is the next Elway when he has never won anything in his life..it's better than comedy central!Hilarious!

I believe that is what you would call a KCDud. Fay ****ler was the best you could come up with? I mean even Gay ****ler is better. I can see you now...."man i need to come up with something good. Lets see, Aay, Bay, Cay, Day, Eay, Fay...Thats it! Fay ****ler!

So instead of trying out for "Worst Troll" why don't you tell us why you don't think he will be good. Take your time we aren't expecting much.

[KCStud]

I believe that is what you would call a KCDud. Fay ****ler was the best you could come up with? I mean even Gay ****ler is better. I can see you now...."man i need to come up with something good. Lets see, Aay, Bay, Cay, Day, Eay, Fay...Thats it! Fay ****ler!

So instead of trying out for "Worst Troll" why don't you tell us why you don't think he will be good. Take your time we aren't expecting much.

Actually I expected "Bradie Frail" to be legit..but not so much

[SureShot]

Actually I expected "Bradie Frail" to be legit..but not so much

I said take your time. And the topic(write it down if you have to) is Jay Cutler:Will he be a success? Why or why not?

[KCStud]

I said take your time. And the topic(write it down if you have to) is Jay Cutler:Will he be a success? Why or why not?

I do not think Cutler will be a bad QB. I think he will be pretty good. Maybe a pro bowler in time, but not while Manning and Brady are still playing. But what I find hillarious is how you guys hype the crap out of him. The guy has never won anything and you guys agree that he is "Elway like"? Don't you find that a little homerish?
Why don't we wait and see how Cutler does this year before thinking he can take you to the playoffs this year, not to mention when Bronco fans claim he is going to beat KC at Arrowhead. That is what cracks me up the most. From what I saw of him last season, he is not ready and will still be developing this season

[jonny1]

Never won anything?

From the Broncos website:

"Attended Heritage Hills (Lincoln City, In.) High School, playing football for head coach Bob Clayton…Standout three-sport athlete who lettered three years as a two-way starter in football, serving as gridiron captain as a senior…Led his team to a 15-0 record and their first state title in school history that year, completing 60 percent of his passes, going 122 of 202 for 2,252 yards and 31 touchdowns…Rushed for 493 yards and 11 scores on 65 carries (7.6 avg)…Also recorded 88 tackles and nine interceptions as a safety, in addition to returning six kicks, a fumble and interception for touchdowns…Holds almost all of team's passing and total offense records…Named Coaches and Associated Press first team All-State and Indiana Offensive Player of the Year by S&L Publishing Group as a senior…Also selected Conference and Region Player of the Year…Led his team to an 11-1 record as a junior, passing for 1,200 yards, 14 touchdowns to earn All-Conference, All-Area and All-State honors…As a sophomore, Jay threw for 1,000 yards and 10 touch-downs…"

Granted, that is high school, but you are aware that football is a TEAM game? And that Cutler went to Vanderbilt? Which has had exactly one player drafted in the last two years? That had one player invited to the combine last year (I'll save your brain the headache, it was Cutler). And Vandy is in the SEC, arguably the best football conference in the nation, with NFL quality players on defense on many of the teams, and Cutler was offensive player of the year, won in Knoxville, almost pulled out a win at Florida.

Elway didn't have a winning record in college either.

[400HZ]

I think this is going to be a big year for a lot of the young QBs in the league. Leinart, Rivers, Cutler, Young, Losman, and possibly even guys like Jason Campbell all have opportunities this year to breakout. I'd be willing to bet that at least one or two of these guys will be mentioned among the league's elite by seasons end. They all laid solid foundations last year.

[goldengopher1976]

I do not think Cutler will be a bad QB. I think he will be pretty good. Maybe a pro bowler in time, but not while Manning and Brady are still playing. But what I find hillarious is how you guys hype the crap out of him. The guy has never won anything and you guys agree that he is "Elway like"? Don't you find that a little homerish?
Why don't we wait and see how Cutler does this year before thinking he can take you to the playoffs this year, not to mention when Bronco fans claim he is going to beat KC at Arrowhead. That is what cracks me up the most. From what I saw of him last season, he is not ready and will still be developing this season

I'm not trying to mince words here, the truth is, many people on this board have made the comparison, but lest we forget it, the "Elway-like" comparison in question here comes directly from the ESPN article. Therefore, while you are certainly entitled to a legitimate beef with potentially premature claims to greatness, you have to recognize that it's not just homer fans who see the similarities.

[KCStud]

LMAO at KC being 32nd in QB depth. I guess they missed Damon Huard putting up the second best QB rating and an 11 TD to 1 INT ratio.

[azbroncfan]

LMAO at KC being 32nd in QB depth. I guess they missed Damon Huard putting up the second best QB rating and an 11 TD to 1 INT ratio.

They didn't miss what teams he put those numbers up against.

[KCStud]

They didn't miss what teams he put those numbers up against.

Then I guess that makes Cutler a bad QB too since he looked good against the Cards and played the Seahawks like Damon?

Damon beat the Chargers at home and the Rams on the road...

[azbroncfan]

Then I guess that makes Cutler a bad QB too since he looked good against the Cards and played the Seahawks like Damon?

Damon beat the Chargers at home and the Rams on the road...

Look at his good games as outside of AZ game LJ went off rushing the ball and teams were attempting to stop the run and recievers were open. Huard isn't the focus of the O and yes he did put up decent numbers but that was due to LJ having great games and playaction passing.

[Dukes]

LMAO at KC being 32nd in QB depth. I guess they missed Damon Huard putting up the second best QB rating and an 11 TD to 1 INT ratio.

Yeah, and Bubby Brister put up better numbers than Elway as a backup in '98. Does that mean he should have been the starter? No, it means he's a great BACKUP. Backup being the most important word in that sentence. If he's so good, why has he been a career backup/journeyman?

Do you honestly want him in charge of your team on a permanent basis? I sure as hell wouldn't, but suit yourself

[KCStud]

Look at his good games as outside of AZ game LJ went off rushing the ball and teams were attempting to stop the run and recievers were open. Huard isn't the focus of the O and yes he did put up decent numbers but that was due to LJ having great games and playaction passing.

That's the way Herm's offense is ran and it brought out the best of him. Strong running game and a strong reliable defense. That's what you do with an unknown QB and KC will do it all year. The Chargers ran a similar system last year, especially in the first half of the season and the Steelers ran the system with Big Ben and won a SB and Bears ran that same system this year and went to the SB so there's no reason to think that it won't work.

Denver's isn't so different either. You guys pass a little more, but you still rely on your running game. Teams like Indy, NE, and PHI pass way more..

[DukeWoody]

Look KCdud,if you aren't happy with where the the author ranked your QB depth,or if his comparisons to Cutler/Elway are making you bust a nut,then go f****n bitch to him about it...
I really doubt it was anone on this board that put that list together,so head on over to ESPiN and lettum have it...Common sport you can do it,really,do us all a favor...