View Full Version : I have been Diagonised with Diabetes
Spider
06-30-2007, 09:04 PM
I told 3 people in PM's about this I was ashamed of having Diabetes , but it isnt the disease I thought it was ...... I changed my diet , getting used to diet Soda , 3 good healthy servings a day , I just got done swimming ,believe it or not , I feel fantastic ..........
Spider
06-30-2007, 09:06 PM
My blood pressure was 120 over 74 , heartbeat 72 , good strong lungs .....
Rock Chalk
06-30-2007, 09:10 PM
Let me die.
Spider
06-30-2007, 09:13 PM
Let me die.
:wiggle: diet soda isnt so bad , Iam starting to get used to it
SoCalBronco
06-30-2007, 09:29 PM
Don't worry bro...just exercise, listen to your doc, perhaps cut down a little on the sweet tooth and you'll be good.
Spider
06-30-2007, 09:33 PM
Don't worry bro...just exercise, listen to your doc, perhaps cut down a little on the sweet tooth and you'll be good.
Thanks ..... Been on edge all week ,ashamed , worried , I cut sugar out completely , I am not going back to the doc for a awhile ......
mosca
06-30-2007, 09:35 PM
Pretty much what everyone else said ... Look on the bright side - If anything, this is good motivation to live a more healthy lifestyle overall.
Spider
06-30-2007, 09:38 PM
Pretty much what everyone else said ... Look on the bright side - If anything, this is good motivation to live a more healthy lifestyle overall.
;D yeah , I am scared to death I have to take the shots , and if thats the case my career is over , I dont have the means to find another Job that pays what I make now ..........Just worried about my family and how I will support them
Paladin
06-30-2007, 09:41 PM
Welcome to the club. I was DX'd with type 2 a year ago an d I have graduated to needing meds to control the sugar levels. But exercise, good eats, lose a few pounds, and give up the sugar stuff, you can live with it. I went a looong time before I was DX'd. I inherited the tendency towards the disease, so it was inevitable I would have some issues with it and so the meds are necessary.
I get along fine with it. Incidentally, there are a bazillion books out there on meals for Diabetics. Surprisingly, good eats do not have to be limited.....
Spider
06-30-2007, 09:46 PM
Welcome to the club. I was DX'd with type 2 a year ago an d I have graduated to needing meds to control the sugar levels. But exercise, good eats, lose a few pounds, and give up the sugar stuff, you can live with it. I went a looong time before I was DX'd. I inherited the tendency towards the disease, so it was inevitable I would have some issues with it and so the meds are necessary.
I get along fine with it. Incidentally, there are a bazillion books out there on meals for Diabetics. Surprisingly, good eats do not have to be limited.....
I dropped from 250 pounds down to 211 , i did that for my blood pressure ,no more Mt Dew for breakfast ...... I will hold out as long as I can before going back , I have 2 years on my DOT card ........ I think i can still drive if I am on meds .not sure though
SoCalBronco
06-30-2007, 09:54 PM
Thanks ..... Been on edge all week ,ashamed , worried , I cut sugar out completely , I am not going back to the doc for a awhile ......
I think this whole thing came about because you put on that damn Bronco shark tooth hat again. It is messing everything up. :)
Spider
06-30-2007, 10:09 PM
I think this whole thing came about because you put on that damn Bronco shark tooth hat again. It is messing everything up. :)
LOL ........
theAPAOps5
06-30-2007, 10:15 PM
I know you have to be physically fit to be a CDL driver but I can't help but think Diabetes will yank that. Is it because of the chance of diabetic shock and all that? Sounds like you are doing the right things. I quite regular pop because it was killing my teeth. Now I can't stand the stuff. Next is to quite soda all together.
Killericon
06-30-2007, 10:18 PM
No reason to be ashamed. A lot of people have it.
listopencil
06-30-2007, 10:25 PM
My mom's been diagnosed for a long time now. She started off on the injections but moved on to "diet controlled" after a while. It has caused physical problems, but she was born in 1939 and she's still going strong. Hang tough and listen to your doctor. You'll be fine.
DenverBrit
06-30-2007, 10:34 PM
Thanks ..... Been on edge all week ,ashamed , worried , I cut sugar out completely , I am not going back to the doc for a awhile ......
Try and cut out white stuff. Bread, rice, pasta.
They will turn to sugar, then fat.
Go whole grain, brown rice and whole wheat. I've had to do that and it really does help.
Facing any kind of health uncertainty is tough, but we can help ourselves and make a difference.
Here's hoping you don't need the shots. :thumbsup:
No reason at all to be ashamed man, chit happens. Sounds like your doing all the right things to control it. Good luck man!
Los Broncos
06-30-2007, 11:12 PM
I'm sorry to hear this Spider. I know a few people that have diabetes and its a real bitch. If you don't listen to your dr it can result is serious consequences, like losing your site and limbs.
Atlas
06-30-2007, 11:34 PM
I know a lot of people that have died because of diabetis and it's all becaus ethey felt fine and didn't take care of themselves with the medication or the diet. First they get their leg cut off and then it's all over. Do some walking and watch the diet bro.
and take that medication.
Florida_Bronco
06-30-2007, 11:38 PM
I know a lot of people that have died because of diabetis and it's all becaus ethey felt fine and didn't take care of themselves with the medication or the diet. First they get their leg cut off and then it's all over. Do some walking and watch the diet bro.
and take that medication.
Pretty much what happened to my dad.
I wish all the best to you Spider. Please though, take good care of your health and diet and stay up to date with your meds, but for your sake and the sake of your family.
Diabetes can be controlled and beat, but it's not easy.
Meck77
06-30-2007, 11:38 PM
Friend of mine just visited. She was diagnosed two years ago. Since then she has taken better care of herself, lost about 20lbs, and looks 10 years younger and feels better.
Spider
07-01-2007, 12:02 AM
Thanks for the responses everyone ,..........
ShutDownPoster
07-01-2007, 12:07 AM
I was diagnosed with Type 1 about 18 years ago when I was 19. It's nothing to be ashamed of, though even to this day I hide when I take my shots (4 times a day) and finger sticks. It does force you to live a healthy. more active lifestyle. Just check your eyes and do your bloodwrokd every 2 -3 months. BTW, I know that you're afraid this will affect your job, but many people who take shots don't let it stop them. Former Vikings QB Wade Wilson was a Type 1, and he had to take shots durig half time or on the sidelines. Good luck, and if you hjave any questions PM me.
gunns
07-01-2007, 01:07 AM
I was diagnosed 3 1/2 years ago. Was put on the pills, quit the sugar, cut down on the pasta, breads and potatoes, realized I wasn't always eating when I was hungry. Best thing that ever happened to me. Lost weight, work out regularly, watch what I eat and enjoy it more. Also found if you want to keep control of your blood pressure cut out any kind of soda. It's full of salt. You'll be fine Spider. My AC1 hasn't gone above 6.5 since I was diagnosed. Haven't been on the pills for 2 1/2 years. It's mostly a wake up call.
Al Wilson
07-01-2007, 01:52 AM
I told 3 people in PM's about this I was ashamed of having Diabetes , but it isnt the disease I thought it was ...... I changed my diet , getting used to diet Soda , 3 good healthy servings a day , I just got done swimming ,believe it or not , I feel fantastic ..........
I'm sorry to hear.
Nothing to be ashamed of. I've had type 1 diabetes since I was 18, and I take insulin shots before every meal, and 1 before bed. Playing sports really helps out. I workout 3 times a week, and play soccer/hockey sometimes. So my advice is to live an active life.
Kaylore
07-01-2007, 02:06 AM
Diabetes is very controllable. If you keep your weight down, exercise regularly and eat good foods you're dependence on the more annoying things associated with diabetes will go down quite a bit.
Dr.5280
07-01-2007, 02:09 AM
I know several cdl drivers with type 2 diabeties. They still have their licenses but now lead much different lifestyles. If you are on meds you will have to have an annual recertification. If you get it under controll, you can go back to biannual.
Dr.5280
07-01-2007, 02:11 AM
Not the end of the world...just the way you know it.
BroncoBuff
07-01-2007, 02:13 AM
:wiggle: diet soda isnt so bad , Iam starting to get used to it
I've never mentioned this to you before §pider ::), but after three weeks - four tops - diet soda will taste BETTER than regular soda ever did. And you will never even want to drink sugar-pop again. Ever.
It's just one of those little miracles of nature ... something about the aspartame molecule being just one atom off sugar, and eventually your taste buds just quit complaining and fall into line.
I made the change in Iowa City in 1990, and lost a $20 bet in the process. Best 20 I ever spent.
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BroncoBuff
07-01-2007, 02:14 AM
§pider, there's gotta be some kind of exercise you can do all those hours in the rig ...?
Something isometric maybe?
Odysseus
07-01-2007, 02:21 AM
My blood pressure was 120 over 74 , heartbeat 72 , good strong lungs .....
That IS interesting. I always assumed that it effected your blood pressure for some reason.
DarkHorse30
07-01-2007, 02:43 AM
Godspeed on keeping your condition positive. My wife has 2 chronic illnesses (asthma and bi-polar 1), and with the right meds she's as right as rain.
Old man!
Take care of yourself and forget the soda's period. Get addicted to something else :) You will be fine...... small guy lol
fontaine
07-01-2007, 08:06 AM
Very brave of you to admit that Spider considering the initial feelings you had!
Not to worry though, my father has diabetes and it has changed his life for the better!
Because of his diabetes he has been eating a lot better (no white bread, soda, junk food) and he excercises every day and he's in better shape now than ever before.
Take this opportunity to use it as a positive to take good care of your health.
We're rooting for you!
NYBronco
07-01-2007, 09:06 AM
I told 3 people in PM's about this I was ashamed of having Diabetes , but it isnt the disease I thought it was ...... I changed my diet , getting used to diet Soda , 3 good healthy servings a day , I just got done swimming ,believe it or not , I feel fantastic ..........
Swimming is very good exercise for the body and of course your health. One thing about exercise if you can keep motivated (many people lose interest soon into it) is that eating / drinking well helps the exercise regimen a little easier. I don't drink much alcohol but when I do I can feel the affects during the next day workout.
Anyway enough preaching and good luck.
Archie
07-01-2007, 09:42 AM
I've never mentioned this to you before §pider ::), but after three weeks - four tops - diet soda will taste BETTER than regular soda ever did. And you will never even want to drink sugar-pop again. Ever.
It's just one of those little miracles of nature ... something about the aspartame molecule being just one atom off sugar, and eventually your taste buds just quit complaining and fall into line.
I made the change in Iowa City in 1990, and lost a $20 bet in the process. Best 20 I ever spent.
.
I have to agree w/ BroncoBuff... You go off regular soda for a week and then try to go back and you will think you are drinking cough syrup. It's gross.
Mile High Mojoe
07-01-2007, 09:51 AM
I told 3 people in PM's about this I was ashamed of having Diabetes , but it isnt the disease I thought it was ...... I changed my diet , getting used to diet Soda , 3 good healthy servings a day , I just got done swimming ,believe it or not , I feel fantastic ..........Good for you Bro. Take care of yourself. Hey, I got a job with a Contactor who hauls mail for the U.S. Postal Service. It's a good truck driving gig. I'm making more money at than I was as a Policeman with a lot less aggravation. It's night work but pays well.
Us old truckers never die we just get a new Peterbilt right?
broncogary
07-01-2007, 10:47 AM
I have been Diagonised with Diabetes..........
At least it didn't affect your spelling. LOL
Rock Chalk
07-01-2007, 01:17 PM
:wiggle: diet soda isnt so bad , Iam starting to get used to it
Can you still drink beer?!?!?
Chris
07-01-2007, 01:52 PM
Good luck. I recommend leaving the soda behind you altogether. Taking in vast amounts of sugar and aspartame (the sweetener found in Diet Coke) has been found to cause cancer...a major warning was issued this week about it but the FDA refuses to remove these products from the market because of the money involved.
Force yourself to drink glass after glass of water for a month and you will stave off the addiction and be less sugar dependent.
PatsWin2002
07-01-2007, 02:01 PM
My blood pressure was 120 over 74.....
I wonder what it was before you whacked your head on that evil angle iron. :P
Seriously, Spider, good luck with it. I hope you never have to become insulin dependent.
But if you do, we live in a time where stuff like that is manageable. Fifty years ago was a much different story. Just don't ignore it....it can start to mess up your eyesight and a bunch of other stuff.
Where's Doc Broncenstein to elaborate?!
Blueflame
07-01-2007, 02:35 PM
Good luck with controlling the condition via diet, Spider... it sounds to me like the changes you've made have been effective enough that perhaps you won't have to take the shots.
The suggestion to drink more water (as opposed to diet soda) is probably a good one.... healthier in the long run and helps to keep you hydrated.
TexanBob
07-01-2007, 04:24 PM
I was diagnosed with Type II about three years ago and am now on medication but I still had problems until I saw a nutritionist who gave me one sterling bit of advice "You can eat whatever you want. You just have to work it off." I had been trying to cut things out of my food intake but this wasn't accomplishing the goal.
What changed everything was exercise - and it wasn't hard exercise either. What you want to accomplish is to burn the excess sugar stored up in your body. That doesn't happen until you're 15-20 minutes into your exercise and the body switches to the long-term energy reserves instead of the short-term ones in your muscles. This is when you feel the "second wind".
They recommeded doing 30 minutes a day but I decided that didn't make sense if the first 15 do no good. So I now walk or "swim" (essentially jog in a swimming pool) for an hour every other day. That way, I get 45 minutes of sugar-burning time and it is easier to fit into my schedule finding time every other day instead of every day.
I drink unsweetened iced tea or Powerade most of the time (less sugar than sodas) and stay away from white bread (especially buns). I moderate things like pasta, rice and starches. Otherwise, I eat pretty much whatever I feel like including an occasional dessert but you have to keep doing the exercises to work it off.
My Hemoglobin A1C went from 7.1 when I started to below 6.0 for the past two years with medication and exercise.
As a trucker, finding time to exercise is going to be difficult but it is the best thing you can do for yourself. Do it maybe before you get in your rig or as soon as you get to your motel room for the night and just do laps around the motel.
One more thing: you're in danger of having too little sugar as much as having too much. The symptoms are similar too - sleepiness, dry mouth, lack of attention. If it hits you about an hour after you eat, it means your sugar is too high. If it hits you and you haven't eaten, it probably means it is too low so have something in your cab with some sugar in it that can help bring you out of a low-sugar situation.
If possible, eat a little several times a day rather than having big meals. Pay attention to what foods cause your blood sugar to spike and what foods don't. I found that chocolate and peanut butter treats don't affect me much but a hamburger or hot dog bun causes a spike. Cinnamon is actually not a sugar at all so if you find stuff with cinnamon and not sugar, that helps the sweet tooth. I also love blackened cooking and spices have no effect on blood sugar.
Finally, don't get frustrated while the doctors fidget with your medication levels. It will take time to find a routine that works for you but you need to find it so you don't wind up on the needle. Good luck, man.
Spider
07-01-2007, 04:51 PM
Thanks everyone ,I really mean that , everyone has given me hope , I didnt believe how ignorant I was of Diabetes , I thought for sure I was going ot lose my legs , take Shots .........
Florida_Bronco
07-01-2007, 04:59 PM
I've also read that cinammon is can lower your blood sugar 10%-20%. You can find it in pill form for pretty cheap.
Garcia Bronco
07-01-2007, 05:04 PM
Take care of yourself...you want to be around for those young ones.
mhgaffney
07-01-2007, 08:08 PM
:wiggle: diet soda isnt so bad , Iam starting to get used to it
Please check the label.
If it says ASPARTAME throw the can out the frickin' window. Better to litter the highway than drink this poison -- which will kill you faster than diabetes.
I drink no pop -- rather: 100% orange juice.
Bronco_Beerslug
07-01-2007, 08:27 PM
Sorry to hear this Spider but it is controllable in a lot of cases. I'd get rid of all the soda completely, there isn't anything good about any of it, diet or not.
Sassy
07-01-2007, 08:29 PM
Please check the label.
If it says ASPARTAME throw the can out the frickin' window. Better to litter the highway than drink this poison -- which will kill you faster than diabetes.
I drink no pop -- rather: 100% orange juice.
True about the soda...but OJ is full of sugar!
Can you still drink beer?!?!?
Yes............
I use the test strips to see what I am doing to myself.
In my case drinking beer around three hours after eating lowers my blood sugar and I can get away with eating more exotic food.
Bread and pasta gets to me. Sugar not so much.
I threw the pills away and am controlling my diabetes with diet and exercise
It is a lot of work to drink that much beer as I pour it into a heavy glass mug.
That and running to the bathroom.
Florida_Bronco
07-01-2007, 08:31 PM
Sorry to hear this Spider but it is controllable in a lot of cases. I'd get rid of all the soda completely, there isn't anything good about any of it, diet or not.
Amen! That **** is BAD!
TexanBob
07-01-2007, 08:34 PM
I drink no pop -- rather: 100% orange juice.
Orange juice is probably great for you - but not for a diabetic. Most fruit juices are high in natural fructose (sugar), which is why they give you OJ to drink right after you donate blood - to replenish your blood sugar.
One of my first mistakes after my diagnosis was to switch from sodas to fruit juices. Because the sugar in fruits is purer, the sugar spike was even more potent than had I stuck with the sodas.
I don't drink diet sodas because I hate the taste of the fake sugar. According to my dietician, roughly half the people hate the taste of diet drinks and I'm one of them. You can find beverages with no or low sugar that aren't artificially sweetened. You just have to read the labels. I'm all for that rather than "diet" drinks.
While we're on the subject of artificial sweeteners, Spider, there's a product out there called Stevia which is a plant that contains no sugar but has a sugary taste. I tried it and wasn't that impressed but others swear by it so, go by a health foods store and sample one. It comes in granular form and you can pour it into beverages just like some pour sweeteners into coffee or tea.
nickademus
07-01-2007, 08:46 PM
My little brother has type 1 diabetes and he does the best when he has a regular schedual and eats like 5 times a day all low glycemic carbs (low sugar) stuff like sweet potatoes instead of white ones. nothing to be ashamed of just a wake up call for a healthier lifestyle.
Rocket 7
07-01-2007, 08:47 PM
Get lean and mean. The lot lizards may actually want to have sex :wiggle:
TexanBob
07-01-2007, 08:48 PM
I threw the pills away and am controlling my diabetes with diet and exercise
Some people are able to do this and that's great. Some people can't. There are a few out there who I think are misdiagnosed and really aren't diabetic but just got tested and got a high glucose score sending the doctors into shock.
Technically, you become Type II diabetic if your pancreas shuts down and stops producing natural insulin (this is often gradual) or the circulatory system no longer accepts what the pancreas is producing. There are two approaches to treating this based on which is the problem. For the first problem, diet and exercise does a great deal to help because you are helping the pancreas not to work as hard. For the second problem, you're dependant on medicine to help get insulin into your blood vessels.
Bronco_Beerslug
07-01-2007, 08:48 PM
Orange juice is probably great for you - but not for a diabetic. Most fruit juices are high in natural fructose (sugar), which is why they give you OJ to drink right after you donate blood - to replenish your blood sugar.
One of my first mistakes after my diagnosis was to switch from sodas to fruit juices. Because the sugar in fruits is purer, the sugar spike was even more potent than had I stuck with the sodas.
I don't drink diet sodas because I hate the taste of the fake sugar. According to my dietician, roughly half the people hate the taste of diet drinks and I'm one of them. You can find beverages with no or low sugar that aren't artificially sweetened. You just have to read the labels. I'm all for that rather than "diet" drinks.
While we're on the subject of artificial sweeteners, Spider, there's a product out there called Stevia which is a plant that contains no sugar but has a sugary taste. I tried it and wasn't that impressed but others swear by it so, go by a health foods store and sample one. It comes in granular form and you can pour it into beverages just like some pour sweeteners into coffee or tea.Truth spoken here.
I drink 100% natural juices and have to keep reminding myself to watch how much I drink because they taste so good. Also get my sugar fix from berry, banana and no sugar added ice cream shakes but they're still full of sugar from the berries, so have to use them as once a week treats.
In case your interested in this Spide...
Cinnamon Lowers High Blood Sugar
By Maureen Williams, ND
Healthnotes Newswire (August 17, 2006)—People with diabetes might be able to reduce their blood sugar by using a cinnamon extract, a new study has found.
The number of people being diagnosed with adult-onset (type 2) diabetes has grown to about 150 million people worldwide, with more than 17 million in the United States. People with diabetes have high blood sugar levels because their cells don’t respond to insulin, the hormone that signals when glucose (the form sugar takes in the blood) needs to be stored. Over time, the extra glucose in the blood damages tissues.
Eating a high-fiber, low-sugar diet and exercising are important ways to keep blood glucose levels normal. Oral medications are also often used to reduce blood glucose levels, and in some cases insulin injections are necessary. Nutritionally oriented healthcare providers frequently recommend minerals such as chromium and magnesium. Some herbs such as gymnema and fenugreek have been found to have blood glucose–lowering effects.
Cinnamon (Cinnamomum cassia) is an aromatic herb with sweet and warming qualities. Its history as a medicinal herb goes back centuries in India and other parts of Asia, but it is better known in the Western world as a culinary spice. Animal studies and preliminary studies in humans have suggested that cinnamon has blood glucose–lowering effects that could help people with type 2 diabetes.
In the latest study, published in the European Journal of Clinical Investigation, 65 people with diabetes being treated only with diet or oral medications (not insulin) were given either a cinnamon extract (equivalent to 3 grams of cinnamon per day) or a placebo for four months.
Fasting blood glucose levels (measured after eight or more hours without eating or drinking) dropped 10% in those who used the cinnamon, but did not change in the placebo group. Blood glucose levels decreased the most in those who had the highest levels at the beginning of the study.
“More and more people are being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, and many of them want to avoid oral medications and especially insulin injections,” said Linda Dacey, MD, who practices internal medicine. “Although the findings from this study are encouraging, for now it seems wise to wait until future research clarifies whether cinnamon works well enough to be used as a first-line treatment, along with diet and exercise, or whether it should be used in conjunction with oral medications.”
In the meantime, cinnamon is a safe and inexpensive addition to a program designed to help manage high blood sugar from diabetes.
http://www.myvitaminguide.com/public/healthnotes.cfm?org=healthex&page=newswire/newswire_2006_08_17_2.cfm
This is where I order some of my vitamins and herbs from and this cinnamon formula also contains chromium which was talked about in the article...
http://www.puritan.com/pages/file.asp?xs=E5475BADADAC4882A97E65D9769884BC&PID=5426&CID=&CPID=8198
Toddlaw89
07-01-2007, 11:21 PM
I've been diagnosed for almost 25 years now and although I am a Type 1 (Juvenile) diabetic, I am also considered "Brittle", so I have to do some additional things to keep myself going. There are some big differences in Type 1 and Type 2, but the premise is the same...Watch what you eat, exercise, and check yourself often.
My job requires me to drive long distances as well, and I have to go through an annual review with the state of FLA to keep my license...So far, so good. 15 years ago, I was "Invincible" and didn't do anything anyone told me, but now I am an evangelist on helping people make the right decisions.
I also have a "Diabetic Grocery store" that I order quality products from on-line. It keeps me just as normal as possible.
PM me and I will get you some more info...
Best of luck to you,
Todd
Broncobiv
07-01-2007, 11:51 PM
Not flaming here, but what is there to be ashamed of? I mean, it's diabetes...a disease lots of people have, children and adults both. There's nothing embarrassing about it...you just have to watch what you eat and stay fit. I don't see any reason to try and hide it, or be ashamed that you have it. Now maybe if it was an STD, you might want to keep that to yourself. But diabetes?
BroncoInSkinland
07-02-2007, 07:36 AM
Nothing to be ashamed of there spider. Good luck coping with it, you seem to be off to a good start. Even if it does progress to the level where you need shots it isn't the end of the world. My fiancee has been dealing with insulin since she was 18. She is 40 now and doing fine. She has an insulin pump that has a very small continuous dosage rate, kind of like a bionic pancreas, pretty cool stuff. There are lots of options out there, so keep your chin up.
ShutDownPoster
07-02-2007, 08:19 AM
Well, I have intense insulin therapy now for about 4 years...four shots a day. One 'basal' dose that lasts 24 hours, and one 'bolus' shot before each meal. I thought a lot about getting a pump, but felt really uncomfortable having something attached to me 27/7. I'm looking for the inhaled insulin ' Exhubera' which would replace the shots before meals. I guess going from 4 shots to one shot a day would give me a lot more freedom. But honestly, I find the finger sticks more troublesome then the shots, go figure.
Spider
07-02-2007, 09:11 AM
Not flaming here, but what is there to be ashamed of? I mean, it's diabetes...a disease lots of people have, children and adults both. There's nothing embarrassing about it...you just have to watch what you eat and stay fit. I don't see any reason to try and hide it, or be ashamed that you have it. Now maybe if it was an STD, you might want to keep that to yourself. But diabetes?
LOL I come from a complete different generation then you ,getting sick or getting a disease , means you are weak , you now have become less of a man , and in a few years a charity case .........see preconceived notion was I would either get really fat and lose my legs , or get so skinny I could fall through my own ass and hang myself and lose my legs ..............Now I see I was completely full of **** ......;D
Smiling Assassin27
07-02-2007, 10:09 AM
I told 3 people in PM's about this I was ashamed of having Diabetes , but it isnt the disease I thought it was ...... I changed my diet , getting used to diet Soda , 3 good healthy servings a day , I just got done swimming ,believe it or not , I feel fantastic ..........
Sounds like you've got the strong will and Lord knows you have ample reasons for hanging tough and controlling this. :thumbs:
You'll be in our prayers tonight, man.
broncosteven
07-02-2007, 10:34 AM
Hang in there Spider!
I don't have Diabetes but I have been eating better, working out and playing softball on 2 leagues & other than the day after softball nights I feel great.
As you get older you have to do more to keep up the quality of life.
Good luck managing it!
footstepsfrom#27
07-02-2007, 10:38 AM
LOL I come from a complete different generation then you ,getting sick or getting a disease , means you are weak , you now have become less of a man , and in a few years a charity case .........see preconceived notion was I would either get really fat and lose my legs , or get so skinny I could fall through my own ass and hang myself and lose my legs ..............Now I see I was completely full of **** ......;D
No...actually you were spot on. ;D j/k
Hey Spider, I'll echo that there's nothing to be ashamed about. I was diagnosed type 2 several years ago, and it took a few changes in the dosages and combinations of medications, but it is controlled pretty well now. Chances are you'll go through a similar process, and probably won't have to do the shots.
There's some really good advice in this thread. You just have to watch your carbohydrate intake. Don't cut out carbs altogether, but don't overindulge. Learn the difference between "good" and "bad" carbs. Do some google searches, you'll find lots of information.
One thing I'll mention is that if your doc prescribes Glipizide, keep a close eye on your glucose readings, because that stuff can make your blood sugar drop like a rock, and you can become hypoglycemic. Get some of those glucose tablets to carry with you in case this happens (and it can happen with other meds, also).
Good luck, and don't worry so much, you'll be fine.
Bladerunner
07-02-2007, 12:27 PM
Hey Spider...a friend of mine (a Marine pilot) was diagnosed with Type II and I had some of the same preconceptions about it...he was medically discharged because he couldn't fly anymore, but I saw him a couple months later, we went out to eat, we talked a bit about it and he made it seem like it wasn't a big deal at all, we were at a pizza joint, he just pulls out his kit, puts a shot in his thigh and ate dinner with us...it was so casually done, he wiped away all my ignorant mindset on diabetes...he had the same apprehensions you did, but he is totally adjusted and hasn't found diabetes to be particularly life altering (besides the job change, which I don't think will necessarily happen to you...)
Sassy
07-02-2007, 09:13 PM
Sounds like some good advice in this thread.
Best of Luck, Spider...take care of yourself!
JanaŽ
07-02-2007, 10:28 PM
I'm thinkin of you, Kill. I echo what everyone else said. Just stick to the diet and you should be okay.. :) I know you.. not much gonna keep you down!
Kaylore
07-02-2007, 11:08 PM
Spider, will you promise to grow a mustache and ride around on a horse and say "I've got dy-a-beedus"?
http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/onion_imagearticle2396.frontpage_thumbnail.jpg
Spider
07-02-2007, 11:29 PM
I already screwed the pooch ..as some of you know I am on a rig move right now , well I spent 9 hours today working in the hot sun , lifting Chains and Iron , Drinking water , then it hit , I got damn hungry , I had 2 burritos , 1 taco , for lunch , then a double bacon cheeseburger for dinner with onion rings .... I got weak and gave in .... but I unload in vernal utah tomorrow , plenty of work to be done ...... then I go to Wamsutter and do it all over again ;D
mattob14
07-03-2007, 12:44 AM
Here's something I read awhile back that you may be interested in. Gastric bypass has been very successful in treating Type 2 diabetes, even in patients of normal weight. Most are able to stop taking all medications almost immediately after the surgery. Studies are still being done, but it could be an option in the near future.
http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2007/05/19/5201.html
broncosteven
07-03-2007, 10:28 AM
I already screwed the pooch ..D
No you Broncobuffed your dog! Get it right man!
BTW my Pez itches.
Spider
07-03-2007, 02:09 PM
I wish Badger drilling would hurry up ....4 of us waiting in line out in the middle of nowhere Utah to unload .......... ;D
fell pretty good today , got some good exercise .......
DomCasual
07-03-2007, 02:25 PM
No you Broncobuffed your dog! Get it right man!
BTW my Pez itches.
Yeah? Well my stevens hurt. Since our daughter was born, I think I might be getting blue stevens.
DomCasual
07-03-2007, 02:27 PM
I already screwed the pooch ..as some of you know I am on a rig move right now , well I spent 9 hours today working in the hot sun , lifting Chains and Iron , Drinking water , then it hit , I got damn hungry , I had 2 burritos , 1 taco , for lunch , then a double bacon cheeseburger for dinner with onion rings .... I got weak and gave in .... but I unload in vernal utah tomorrow , plenty of work to be done ...... then I go to Wamsutter and do it all over again ;D
Vernal, Utah! WOOHOO! Enjoy our heat, you crazy bastard!
And take a little better care of yourself, will you?
Spider
07-03-2007, 02:36 PM
Vernal, Utah! WOOHOO! Enjoy our heat, you crazy bastard!
And take a little better care of yourself, will you?
LOL , it is hot here , Iam 5 miles off the ouray highway 88 .........
will do bro ........
broncosteven
07-03-2007, 03:04 PM
Yeah? Well my stevens hurt. Since our daughter was born, I think I might be getting blue stevens.
I called dibs on Broncosteven = cool!
I think spider = hemmorids is appro being a truck driver and all.
Now dom, what is your favorite sex act/bodily function? We can name it after you, domcasual?
DomCasual
07-03-2007, 03:17 PM
I called dibs on Broncosteven = cool!
I think spider = hemmorids is appro being a truck driver and all.
Now dom, what is your favorite sex act/bodily function? We can name it after you, domcasual?
You'd do that for me? :(
Ray Finkle
07-03-2007, 03:20 PM
Nothing to be ashamed about....a little exercise and diet change and you can lead a normal healthy life....
broncosteven
07-03-2007, 03:43 PM
Nothing to be ashamed about....a little exercise and diet change and you can lead a normal healthy life....
Fiber is the greatest invention of MAN KIND! Especially for those over or near 40!
broncosteven
07-03-2007, 03:44 PM
You'd do that for me? :(
That & let you play lead Guitar in DEATHsicle. I need a lead guitar player bad.
DomCasual
07-03-2007, 04:08 PM
That & let you play lead Guitar in DEATHsicle. I need a lead guitar player bad.
Well, I guess I would have to go with the certain four-letter word that begins with F and is synonymous with coitus. Does anyone have dibs on that yet?
For example, "That's Dom'd up!" Or, "Dom an A!" Or even, "Dom off, mother-dommer!"
I mean, it's probably considered the worst of the swear words. But when you think about it, it describes something really quite beautiful.
And I'd be all over lead guitar for DEATHsicle! I don't know how to play guitar. Does that make a difference?
broncosteven
07-03-2007, 05:38 PM
Well, I guess I would have to go with the certain four-letter word that begins with F and is synonymous with coitus. Does anyone have dibs on that yet?
For example, "That's Dom'd up!" Or, "Dom an A!" Or even, "Dom off, mother-dommer!"
I mean, it's probably considered the worst of the swear words. But when you think about it, it describes something really quite beautiful.
And I'd be all over lead guitar for DEATHsicle! I don't know how to play guitar. Does that make a difference?
THe F work is taken I picked Meck since he has a 4 letter name if you leave off the 77 part. Plus if you take Me off & replace with Fu then it is almost the same thing.
I think self pleasuring and 2 types of Oral sex need a username associated if your interested.
No experience is needed to play lead, Experience would mess up the DEATHsicle vibe.
DomCasual
07-03-2007, 06:38 PM
THe F work is taken I picked Meck since he has a 4 letter name if you leave off the 77 part. Plus if you take Me off & replace with Fu then it is almost the same thing.
I think self pleasuring and 2 types of Oral sex need a username associated if your interested.
No experience is needed to play lead, Experience would mess up the DEATHsicle vibe.
I'll take self-pleasuring, I guess. That's pretty important, when you think about it.
SouthStndJunkie
07-03-2007, 07:08 PM
Vernal, Utah! WOOHOO! Enjoy our heat, you crazy bastard!
And take a little better care of yourself, will you?
Vernal.......a few short hops from Dinosaur National Monument and also Flaming Gorge. I like that area a lot.
Kaylore
07-03-2007, 08:18 PM
Vernal.......a few short hops from Dinosaur National Monument and also Flaming Gorge. I like that area a lot.
Dinosaur! Wow I've driven through that route to go and come from Utah many a time. Dinosaur is like ten people. ROFL!
SouthStndJunkie
07-03-2007, 08:44 PM
Dinosaur! Wow I've driven through that route to go and come from Utah many a time. Dinosaur is like ten people. ROFL!
Dinosaur National Monument is very cool. The cliff with the dinosaur bones is kick ass.
Cito Pelon
07-03-2007, 09:06 PM
LOL I come from a complete different generation then you ,getting sick or getting a disease , means you are weak , you now have become less of a man , and in a few years a charity case .........see preconceived notion was I would either get really fat and lose my legs , or get so skinny I could fall through my own ass and hang myself and lose my legs ..............Now I see I was completely full of **** ......;D
Well, don't f around with people that sneer at diabetes. Clock 'em. I had to laugh one time when I was golfing with my I-will-not-admit-I-am-a-diabetic uncle and cousin. We had a single join us to make the foursome, and he was a talkative dude, told us by the second hole he was a diabetic, told us if he started acting drunk to feed him some glucose bars he had in his bag. I wondered if my uncle would step up to the plate and compare the situation, but no, the stubborn fool would not do so.
This is the same fool that one time I took a drive from another golfer on the chest - right dead on my breastbone, I felt my heart take an extra beat when that ball hit me - because he collapsed out of the following groups view. I ran back to help him and heard, "FORE, FORE, FOOOORRRE!!!!!!", looked up and the ball was heading dead for him. I shielded him and figured I'd take it in the fat of the stomach, but misjudged it, and gotdang did that hurt.
He also had all his clothes cut off him one time by the paramedics on a golf course when he collapsed. Naturally, his golfing buddies had absoultely no idea he was a diabetic, so naturally had no idea if they fed him a little glucose, he'd be able to pop right back up. He's been more responsible since then.
hades
07-03-2007, 11:34 PM
Spider, like everyone has already said, nothing to be ashamed of, it isn't something you get from doing drugs or having unprotected sex!
Don't let the "stay away from sugar" thing make you think that is all you need to do. It has probably been said already (I did not read all 4 pages), but it is carbs that matter, not sugar. When you look at the nutrional label on foods, the carb's include the amount of sugar in it also.
I have been type 1 diabetic since I was 4 years old, 42 now (that's A LOT of shots!) but it has not stopped me from doing anything I wanted to do. Just eat and monitor your sugar levels, then you will now what foods jack you up and what foods do not. I know McDonalds fries jack me up, Jack in The Box are not as bad, don't know why, but hey, I can eat a fry every once in a while that way.
My Doc told me a long time ago, if you want to eat a snickers bar for lunch, go ahead, but that is about all you can eat for lunch, except salad. Veggies are like free food (not all, carrots and peas turn into sugar with a qucikness).
Did your Doc put you on any type of diet, like to count carb's? Mine has me eating a certain amount of carbs, 15 carbs = 1 exchange. For lunch I get 5 exchanges (exchanges are different groups of food, like bread/starch's, etc.)
The Joslin Center has a vast amount of information you can get, as well as several others on the interweb.
http://www.joslin.org/
Just keep a close tabs on it, and you will be just as normal as anyone who does not have it. If you did not know I was diabetic, you couldn't tell by looking at me (unless you check my finger tips, I test usually 8 - 10 times per day).
Keep your chin up and take care of yourself!
ol number 7
07-04-2007, 07:55 AM
I know you have to be physically fit to be a CDL driver but I can't help but think Diabetes will yank that. Is it because of the chance of diabetic shock and all that? Sounds like you are doing the right things. I quite regular pop because it was killing my teeth. Now I can't stand the stuff. Next is to quite soda all together.
Hey, I talked to a guy that told me he drove hazardous material with a morphine patch on. I was shocked but he sounded legit.
mhgaffney
07-04-2007, 03:36 PM
Eat To Live: New fears over aspartame
July 2, 2007 at 9:25 AM
By JULIA WATSON
UPI Food Writer
LE BUGUE, France, July 2 (UPI) -- Two years ago, Italian researchers at the prestigious Ramazzini Foundation of Oncology and Environmental Sciences published a study that showed feeding rats aspartame at levels per body weight close to those of humans led to an increase in brain tumors, lymphomas and leukemia in the females.
Aspartame, familiar to consumers as brand names NutraSweet and Equal, is an artificial sweetener found globally in approximately 6,000 products.
It's contained in candy, desserts and yogurts. It's in diet sodas and hot chocolate and those sugar-free packets for coffee and tea in restaurants. It's also in some pharmaceutical products, like cough lozenges and vitamins. Some chewing gum is aspartame-sweetened.
At this level of saturation, it represents 62 percent of the artificial sweetener market.
As reported by Eat To Live last May, the FDA rejected the foundation's conclusions, saying they weren't consistent with other studies that the FDA had evaluated that confirmed aspartame was safe as a sweet alternative to sugar.
So the Ramazzini Foundation went back to the drawing board.
This time, it put 4,000 rats on doses of aspartame equivalent in respective body weight to the amount consumed by some people.
With this second investigation, they also began exposing rats to aspartame before they were born. And they allowed them to live until they died a natural death, instead of killing them at two years as in other studies elsewhere.
Their conclusions have just been published in Environmental Health Perspectives, the journal of the U.S. National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences.
Parents should take particular note.
Again, they found significant increases in lymphomas and leukemia. When fetuses were exposed to the sweetener, the potential carcinogenic effects increased.
A study last year from the National Cancer Institute involving 340,045 men and 226,945 women found no significant link between aspartame and cancer.
But the men and women studied were all between the ages of 50 and 69 and had only begun consuming the sweetener in adulthood.
Children are considerable consumers of aspartame through Diet Coke, Diet Pepsi, Kool-Aid, Jell-O gelatin dessert and pudding mixes and certain Popsicles.
According to the Center for Science in the Public Interest, the acceptable daily intake of aspartame is equivalent to a child weighing 50 pounds drinking two cans of diet soda daily, or a 150 pound adult drinking just over seven.
It encourages people not to panic. Just to stop buying products containing aspartame.
However, the Ramazzini Foundation researchers write in their study: "On the basis of the present findings, we believe that a review of the current regulations governing the use of aspartame cannot be delayed.
"This review is particularly urgent with regard to aspartame-containing beverages, heavily consumed by children."
The FDA says it has not yet reviewed the report. But it appears it still finds no reason to revise its opinion or advice to consumers.
Since the study's publication, the Center for Science in the Public Interest, on its Web site Chemical Cuisine directory, has now demoted aspartame from the "use caution" category to "everyone should avoid". It also gives thumbs down to acesulfame.
If you want a sweet alternative to sugar, it recommends sucralose, commonly known by the brand name Splenda.
To satisfy a sweet tooth craving, try chewing on dried apricots or a handful of dried prunes or raisins. Stewing then pureeing dried apricots provides a very sweet sauce to pour round or over ice cream or slices of cake that already contain enough of the sugar you crave that you don't need to increase the amount with a butterscotch or chocolate sauce.
http://www.upi.com/Consumer_Health_Daily/Reports/2007/07/02/eat_to_live_new_fears_over_aspartame/6520/
TexanBob
07-04-2007, 04:56 PM
Maybe only Italian rats have this problem and the American rats have adapted.
Always be wary of studies that suggets "avoid brand x but brand y is okay". It may be legit but it can also be a study underwriten by brand y to scare people off of using a competitor. As always, follow the money.
Ugly Duck
07-04-2007, 10:04 PM
Nothing to be ashamed about....a little exercise and diet change and you can lead a normal healthy life....
Thats a lesson that we all should learn - diabetic or not. We've been hearing it for a long time... ease up on meat & fat, eat more vege's, fruits, fiber, whole wheat bread, brown rice, etc.. I'm in the medical profession & I see the ravages of our American diet every day. Its for real. We don't have to wait til we have a problem like Spide's..... we can pre-empt many problems by changing our eating pattern now. Do it, folks....
Hang in there, Spide....
Wes Mantooth
07-05-2007, 02:14 AM
I told 3 people in PM's about this I was ashamed of having Diabetes , but it isnt the disease I thought it was ...... I changed my diet , getting used to diet Soda , 3 good healthy servings a day , I just got done swimming ,believe it or not , I feel fantastic ..........
Type II? I have a friend at work who has it and has found several things:
1. Aloxin (I think) is the chemical used to give lab rats type II diabetes. Also is used to bleach food such as flour.
2. He has gone vegan and his numbers are below 90 every mourning.
3. A cure is near.
hades
07-05-2007, 08:56 AM
Type II? I have a friend at work who has it and has found several things:
3. A cure is near.
I hope so, but they have been saying that for years, trust me, I follow the news on diabetes related medical breakthroughs.
Although I did read an article a few months ago about 2 guys in Brazil who were insulin dependant and they did something and they no longer take insulin. I need to find that again and re-read it, see if anything new has surfaced about it.
Edit, found it:
http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2007/04/11/5113.html
Hope for a Type 1 Diabetes Cure?
15 Patients Off Insulin After Stem Cell Treatment
Linda von Wartburg
11 April 2007
Researchers from Sao Paulo in Brazil have announced that in a group of fifteen insulin-requiring, newly-diagnosed patients with type 1 diabetes, stem cell therapy has preserved beta cell function and eliminated the need for insulin for up to 35 months so far.
The procedure is called autologous nonmyeloablative hematopoietic stem cell transplantation (AHST). First the patients underwent high-dose chemotherapy to eliminate the white blood cells that were attacking the pancreas. The process shut down their immune system and stopped further destruction of the twenty to forty percent of their beta cells that remained. Then they were injected with a chemical that freed their own (autologous) stem cells from their bone marrow, which is full of stem cells. These hematopoietic stem cells (bone marrow cells that are precursors of immune T-cells) were filtered out of their blood, treated, and then re-injected into their blood stream in order to re-start a new and better immune system.
By using this procedure, the researchers apparently reset or retrained the patients immune systems, and the symptoms of diabetes were reversed. The researchers believe that the stem cells developed into new white blood cells that do not attack the pancreatic beta cells.
Fourteen of the patients, who began the trial at varying times, no longer have to use insulin: one has been insulin-free for 35 months, four for twelve months, and seven for six months. Two who started late have been insulin-free for one and five months each. One patient resumed insulin use one year after AHST.
The findings are considered very preliminary, as the study was small, quite short, and did not have a control group. None of the researchers feel comfortable calling the procedure a cure or even a breakthough. There are still numerous questions about how exactly how it works and for how long. It is still not known whether the patients honeymoon period, in which the beta cells still function for a time after diagnosis, played into the results.
Sources:
JAMA, April 2007
HealthDay
Spider
07-05-2007, 12:43 PM
So far I have done a decent job of following the advice on this thread ;D back to my old schedule , going to bed around Midnight , getting up @ 5:30 am ......felling good thanks everyone
Spider
07-10-2007, 08:29 PM
I wonder if I was misdiagnosed??? ....... been testing my blood for over a week now ( finger tips sore ) highest my blood sugar has been is 167 ....Though I still havent drank a regular pop in over a week , getting used to diet ...... I will stay on the new diet ......... might as well use this scare as a warning sign and change my ways now .........
Sassy
07-10-2007, 08:48 PM
WHy do you think that? Normal glucose is 70-100 with 126 being the cutoff for borderline.
Spider
07-10-2007, 09:01 PM
WHy do you think that? Normal glucose is 70-100 with 126 being the cutoff for borderline.
the booklet that came with the tester , told me anything under 200 is normal , and 250+ is a problem ....... was the booklet wrong ?
Sassy
07-10-2007, 09:07 PM
Hmm...I don't know. I'm talking about when you fast before you go in for regular bloodwork.
Spider
07-10-2007, 09:09 PM
Hmm...I don't know. I'm talking about when you fast before you go in for regular bloodwork.
this test 2 hours in the morning before eating , then test 2 hours at night after dinner .... I havent done the morning testing , but I have done the 2 hour after dinner , I had a burrito supreme , 2 taco supremes and a diet Pepsi ... ok 2 diet pepsis, but I worked my butt off today ;D
TexanBob
07-10-2007, 09:46 PM
At this point, what you probably want to do is track your results so you can see what foods cause a spike. Normally, if I've eaten too much of the wrong things, I feel it about an hour afterwards, so your two-hour total may be on the high side of what you normally have. Are you taking any medicine? If so, what time of day and how often a day? The one I am on is taken twice a day and is meant to be taken around the time you eat so it can process.
Sassy is right that the doctors want your fasting blood sugar level to be 110 or lower (some are urging that be lowered to 100).
As to whether you were misdiagnosed, ask yourself if you are having secondary symptoms like dry mouth, numbness in your extremities, blurry vision, sugar cravings or unexpected sleepiness. If your blood sugar levels are abnormal and you are experiencing these things, it's likely the diagnosis was correct. If high blood sugar is the *only* sign, you may want to see if more regular excersize and weight loss eliminates the need to watch your blood sugar.
;D yeah , I am scared to death I have to take the shots , and if thats the case my career is over , I dont have the means to find another Job that pays what I make now ..........Just worried about my family and how I will support them
I am sincerely sad to hear about it Spider. I wish i knew more about it, I just think that as you learn more it will become less intimidating, and you can fight back.
Kaylore
07-10-2007, 10:00 PM
Here is a picture of a woman being "diagonised":
http://sitemaker.umich.edu/sara.badger/files/diagonal_releve.gif
Garcia Bronco
07-10-2007, 10:06 PM
Here is a picture of a woman being "diagonised":
http://sitemaker.umich.edu/sara.badger/files/diagonal_releve.gif
LOL
Diagnosed with what? Opps, I get it now...
SoCalBronco
07-10-2007, 10:41 PM
Hey Spide....we need an update, dude.....have you been working out, swimming, cutting down on the sweet tooth the last couple weeks?
We have to stay on you dude....its for your own health. :)
Spider
07-10-2007, 11:09 PM
Hey Spide....we need an update, dude.....have you been working out, swimming, cutting down on the sweet tooth the last couple weeks?
We have to stay on you dude....its for your own health. :)
cut out sugar completely ........ working just as hard as ever .....still holding 211 pounds , but I have an urge to eat like a horse .......
Garcia Bronco
07-11-2007, 10:18 AM
cut out sugar completely ........ working just as hard as ever .....still holding 211 pounds , but I have an urge to eat like a horse .......
You gotta fight that in your mind....because that's what's effing with you. If you feel hunger pains...drink water. Make it a habit. Yeah...I know...it's tough but you can do it.
Sassy
07-11-2007, 06:49 PM
smaller meals, more often are better for you.
Spider
07-11-2007, 06:54 PM
You gotta fight that in your mind....because that's what's effing with you. If you feel hunger pains...drink water. Make it a habit. Yeah...I know...it's tough but you can do it.
;D Iam trying , I do very physical work though just like today , I threw 7 chains ( 90 poundsa piece) and ratched up 5 boomers , unloaded across town ,putting everything up , then going and loading my brothers trailer cause his truck was in the shop and wouldnt be ready in time ....... I am so damn hungry right now , I could grab a bull wipe his ass, knock his horns off and start eating ....... I got the shakes right now ( should see how many times I have edited this ;D ) I can bearly stand ......
Spider
07-11-2007, 06:56 PM
smaller meals, more often are better for you.
I didnt check my sugar again this morning , I would like to use the excuse I was too busy , but the honesty is I am chicken**** to find out ........
Blueflame
07-11-2007, 07:32 PM
;D Iam trying , I do very physical work though just like today , I threw 7 chains ( 90 poundsa piece) and ratched up 5 boomers , unloaded across town ,putting everything up , then going and loading my brothers trailer cause his truck was in the shop and wouldnt be ready in time ....... I am so damn hungry right now , I could grab a bull wipe his ass, knock his horns off and start eating ....... I got the shakes right now ( should see how many times I have edited this ;D ) I can bearly stand ......
It's my understanding that diabetics need to eat frequently, as too low of a blood sugar level can be almost as dangerous as too high....
Sassy
08-15-2007, 10:12 AM
How's it going Spider?