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24champ
06-30-2007, 01:22 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/britain_airport_crash


Looks like we are seeing Iraq type tactics in UK.

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070630/capt.8296366effd84b85a53e49db3a9fd327.britain_airp ort_crash_lon816.jpg?
GLASGOW, Scotland - Two men rammed a flaming sport utility vehicle into the main terminal of Glasgow airport Saturday, crashing into the glass doors at the entrance and sparking a fire, witnesses said. Police said two suspects were arrested.
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There were no reports of injuries but the airport — Scotland's largest — was evacuated and all flights suspended, a day after British police thwarted a plot to bomb central London, discovering two cars abandoned with loads of gasoline, gas canisters and nails.

"One has to conclude ... these are linked," Dame Pauline Neville-Jones, former head of Britain's joint intelligence committee, told Sky News. "This is a very young government, and we may yet see further attacks."

Britain's prime minister, Gordon Brown, who took office only Wednesday, was being briefed on developments, Downing Street said.

In Glasgow, the green SUV barreled toward the building shortly after 3 p.m., hitting security barriers before crashing into the glass doors and exploding, witnesses said. Two men jumped out of the burning vehicle, one of them engulfed in flames, they said.

"The car came speeding past at about 30 mph. It was approaching the building quickly," said Scott Leeson, who was nearby at the time. "Then the driver swerved the car around so he could ram straight in to the door. He must have been trying to smash straight through."

Two men were arrested, Strathclyde Police spokeswoman Lisa O'Neil said.

Passengers fled running and screaming from the busy terminal, Margaret Hughes told the British Broadcasting Corp. "There was black smoke gushing out where the car had obviously been driven into the airport," she said.

Flames and black smoke rose from the vehicle outside the main entrance. Police said it was unclear if anyone was injured. Other passengers were stranded, with at least one airplane grounded on the runway, the BBC said.

The White House said President Bush was being keep abreast of the events in London and Scotland.

"We're in contact with British authorities on the matter," said Gordon Johndroe, a spokesman for the National Security Council.

The crash at Glasgow airport comes exactly a week before the second anniversary of the July 7 bombings that killed 52 people.

Leeson said bollards — security posts outside the entrance — stopped the driver from barreling into the bustling terminal at Glasgow's airport.

"He's trying to get through the main door frame but the bollards have stopped him from going through. If he'd got through, he'd have killed hundreds, obviously," he said.

Leeson said only the nose of the vehicle made it inside the building. Richard Grey told the BBC that the vehicle was lodged into the center of the terminal's main entrance.

"The jeep is completely on fire and it exploded not long after. It exploded at the entrance to the terminal," witness Stephen Clarkson told the BBC. "It may have been an explosion of petrol in the tank because it was not a massive explosion."

Two men — one of them engulfed in flames — were in the SUV, witnesses told BBC News executive Helen Boaden, who was at the airport at time. She described the men as South Asian.

Clarkson described him as a large South Asian man. "His whole body was on fire.... He was just talking gibberish," he told the BBC.

"An Asian guy had been pulled out of the car by two police officers he was trying to fight off and they'd got him on the floor," Grey told the BBC.

Boaden said police "wrestled him to the ground — the fire was burning through his clothes — and finally put him out with a fire extinguisher."

Lesson said an airport officials did not think the incident was an accident.

"He said the men in the car got out and started throwing petrol about — that must be how it caught fire," he said.

Another witness, Fiona Tracey, described a "bang" coming from the SUV. The vehicle was on fire and "every now and again there was a bang coming off it. ... There was definitely a bang," she told Sky News television.

Grey said the car did not explode. "There were a few pops and bangs that seemed to be the tires and the petrol."

alkemical
06-30-2007, 01:32 PM
It's just guerilla warfare - not "iraq style" - it's use of availablism.

BABronco
06-30-2007, 01:38 PM
It's just guerilla warfare - not "iraq style" - it's use of availablism.

this isnt guerilla warfare that would involve those spineless sobs to actually fight an army and then run. this is attacking innocent f'ing ppl. this is f'ing terrorism... the people that practice this are the scum of the earth.

DenverBrit
06-30-2007, 01:51 PM
this isnt guerilla warfare that would involve those spineless sobs to actually fight an army and then run. this is attacking innocent f'ing ppl. this is f'ing terrorism... the people that practice this are the scum of the earth.

What he said. :thumbs:

24champ
06-30-2007, 01:54 PM
It's just guerilla warfare - not "iraq style" - it's use of availablism.

Not really, Guerrilla warfare is a defensive tactic designed to draw the enemy in and then ambush them using unconventional weapons.

alkemical
06-30-2007, 01:55 PM
this isnt guerilla warfare that would involve those spineless sobs to actually fight an army and then run. this is attacking innocent f'ing ppl. this is f'ing terrorism... the people that practice this are the scum of the earth.

I'm not going to use relativism to justify actions - but they view the citizens that support a gov't and do nothing/accept transgressions against them as enemies.

Spider
06-30-2007, 02:08 PM
the UK should invade Canada ...WMD yadda ,yadda .............

atomicbloke
06-30-2007, 02:35 PM
I'm not going to use relativism to justify actions - but they view the citizens that support a gov't and do nothing/accept transgressions against them as enemies.

Can we please hold judgement until it is confirmed that the perpetretors of this act were indeed member of they

alkemical
06-30-2007, 02:47 PM
Can we please hold judgement until it is confirmed that the perpetretors of this act were indeed member of they

You think it's mi5? ;)

footstepsfrom#27
06-30-2007, 03:21 PM
Pretty incompetent terrorists. The car didn't even explode and two of them are now in custody. As attacks go, this one failed miserably.

yavoon
06-30-2007, 03:25 PM
Can we please hold judgement until it is confirmed that the perpetretors of this act were indeed member of they

its obvious it was they, I mean who else but mossad could have pulled this off?

****ing jews.

W*GS
06-30-2007, 03:28 PM
I guess the mini-nuke didn't work.

footstepsfrom#27
06-30-2007, 03:31 PM
These guys were the Raiders of terrorism...nobody killed or injured, nothing blows up, two of 'em caught and jailed...LOL...

Spider
06-30-2007, 03:39 PM
These guys were the Raiders of terrorism...nobody killed or injured, nothing blows up, two of 'em caught and jailed...LOL...

Just thankfull it turned out the way it did

atomicbloke
06-30-2007, 03:54 PM
You think it's mi5? ;)

OK, you were right.

atomicbloke
06-30-2007, 04:02 PM
its obvious it was they, I mean who else but mossad could have pulled this off?

****ing jews.

I lost a best friend when I was living in UK in a terrorist attack perpetrated by the IRA.

So excuse me if I am sometimes too dumb to see the obvious.

Bronx33
06-30-2007, 04:07 PM
iraq style terrorism involves killing a massive amount of their own civilians.

Stormontheplains
06-30-2007, 04:07 PM
We should be thankfull there is an ocean protecting us from these idiots.

24champ
06-30-2007, 04:15 PM
We should be thankfull there is an ocean protecting us from these idiots.

yeah but south of the border...

RMT
07-01-2007, 12:12 AM
yeah but south of the border...

exactly ... too bad Congress is too busy arguing amongst themselves and not protecting the people who elected them.

theAPAOps5
07-01-2007, 12:38 AM
Trust me an ocean isn't going to stop it all the time. We really need to be alert and on our feet as there are many ways into the country that we just haven't sealed yet.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
07-01-2007, 09:15 AM
It's just guerilla warfare - not "iraq style" - it's use of availablism.

You caught that too, eh? ;)

Notice how the right-wingers always try to link every terrorist event that occurs anywhere in the world with Iraq in a manner that always suggests that any such event is proof positive that GeeDubya's decision to invade and occupy Iraq (as well as continued U.S. presence there) is justified?

Gotta love that convoluted right-wing logic. Ha!

SPfloppy
07-01-2007, 09:44 AM
This is amature schnitt at best. however none should be taken lightely by the UK nor us. Our federal law enforcement and homeland sec dept need to not devote too many people to studying what happened in the UK and Scottland lest this be a diversion for attacks against other western targets. Oh and I must of missed the white house press release stating that this is connected to Iraq somehow. I hear many in this forum say not to rush to judgment and I concur. So until Bush says "this is the work of Al Qada in Iraq" don't try and spin this ok

W*GS
07-01-2007, 10:21 PM
A brilliant comment, from <a href="http://kipesquire.powerblogs.com/posts/1183164350.shtml">A Stitch in Haste</a>:

On the London Car-Bomb Plot
Here's everything you need to know about the London dual car-bomb attempt:

The War on Terror utterly failed to prevent it.
The plot was foiled, not by warrantless wiretapping, not by Guantanamo, not by Britain's Big Brother panopticon system, not by seizing laptops at border crossings, not by liquids bans on airplanes, not by random suspicionless searches on subways...

...but by an ambulance crew and a tow truck driver just doing their jobs.

Meanwhile, unless we are going to start banning the sale or use of gasoline, propane and nails (not to mention cars), anyone will be able to create similar devices. It is unpreventable.

So the question becomes: Do we step back from the brink and recognize that the price we have paid in terms of our civil liberties (and our common sense) has bought us little or nothing? Or do we blindly sink even deeper into the swamp of anti-terror totalitarianism, convincing ourselves that if we restrict ourselves just a little bit more, ban just one more dangerous thing, watch (or "detain") just more category of people, curtail just one more civil liberty, then the terrorists will all be defeated and it will all have been worth it?

The goal is not and cannot be to prevent every bad act at any cost. The goal must be to determine the optimal balance of safety and liberty. And we are nowhere near that optimal balance today.

alkemical
07-02-2007, 08:40 AM
A brilliant comment, from <a href="http://kipesquire.powerblogs.com/posts/1183164350.shtml">A Stitch in Haste</a>:

On the London Car-Bomb Plot
Here's everything you need to know about the London dual car-bomb attempt:

The War on Terror utterly failed to prevent it.
The plot was foiled, not by warrantless wiretapping, not by Guantanamo, not by Britain's Big Brother panopticon system, not by seizing laptops at border crossings, not by liquids bans on airplanes, not by random suspicionless searches on subways...

...but by an ambulance crew and a tow truck driver just doing their jobs.

Meanwhile, unless we are going to start banning the sale or use of gasoline, propane and nails (not to mention cars), anyone will be able to create similar devices. It is unpreventable.

So the question becomes: Do we step back from the brink and recognize that the price we have paid in terms of our civil liberties (and our common sense) has bought us little or nothing? Or do we blindly sink even deeper into the swamp of anti-terror totalitarianism, convincing ourselves that if we restrict ourselves just a little bit more, ban just one more dangerous thing, watch (or "detain") just more category of people, curtail just one more civil liberty, then the terrorists will all be defeated and it will all have been worth it?

The goal is not and cannot be to prevent every bad act at any cost. The goal must be to determine the optimal balance of safety and liberty. And we are nowhere near that optimal balance today.



one of the best articles of illustration you've ever posted Wags.

defenseman
07-02-2007, 09:34 AM
I'm not going to use relativism to justify actions - but they view the citizens that support a gov't and do nothing/accept transgressions against them as enemies.

Then it's OK if those same citizens tear the attackers apart limb by limb? What do you say Clav? Because, that is exactly what they deserve. Innocent people attacked by a couple of cowardly zealots. Real nice guys some of these muslims. The religion itself is just a hair away from turning into a religious fanatical terrorist. You just gotta love it...dman

defenseman
07-02-2007, 09:37 AM
You caught that too, eh? ;)

Notice how the right-wingers always try to link every terrorist event that occurs anywhere in the world with Iraq in a manner that always suggests that any such event is proof positive that GeeDubya's decision to invade and occupy Iraq (as well as continued U.S. presence there) is justified?

Gotta love that convoluted right-wing logic. Ha!

Clean the sand from your eye's when you eventually pull your head out of the dirt please...dman

alkemical
07-02-2007, 09:49 AM
Then it's OK if those same citizens tear the attackers apart limb by limb? What do you say Clav? Because, that is exactly what they deserve. Innocent people attacked by a couple of cowardly zealots. Real nice guys some of these muslims. The religion itself is just a hair away from turning into a religious fanatical terrorist. You just gotta love it...dman

I'm sorry you don't get the overall of my point.