Broncos and Chiefs - trade?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

From the Star:

Greg Wesley. A seven-year starting safety, Wesley is as unhappy with his situation as Johnson is with his. He is, for now at least, a backup to Jarrad Page and Bernard Pollard and would like a trade.

The Chiefs have a willing trade partner for Wesley in the Denver Broncos. The teams have agreed on terms of draft-choice compensation, but the Chiefs have yet to sign off on the deal in fear of sending him to a division rival.

In most cases, that’s reason enough not to make a deal. In this case, it’s not. Page and Pollard don’t need Wesley’s looming presence. The Chiefs have capable safety reserves in Jon McGraw and Chad Williams and will probably release Wesley and his $2.7 million base salary, anyway.

In that case, the Broncos would get him for nothing.

[atomicbloke]

Lets trade Nate Jackson for Greg Wesley.

[Hotrod]

I've always said Wesley is the best player in KC

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Lets trade Nate Jackson for Greg Wesley.

Draft pick. :giggle:

[(Jae)]

Fine, take our 8th rounder......

[Willynowei]

Wesley would be a useful addition at that spot, but i doubt this happens.

[Hotrod]

Fine, take our 8th rounder......

Look King Carl is stupid but Im sure hed demand we throw in a 9th also

[Garcia Bronco]

Fine, take our 8th rounder......

And it's our second pick in the 8th round

[Man-Goblin]

This would have biblical implications.

Like real wrath of god type stuff.

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling.

Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes...
The dead rising from the grave.

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria!

[Odysseus]

I wonder which Safety won't make the squad IF this guy gets picked up?

[Los Broncos]

8th in the second, or no deal.

[Garcia Bronco]

This would have biblical implications.

Like real wrath of god type stuff.

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling.

Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes...
The dead rising from the grave.

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria!

But Lenny...you will have saved the lives of millions of registered voters.

[bronco militia]

link?

[Los Broncos]

link?

i cant find anything on the star.

[phibacka31]

I always thought wesley was a pretty good cover safety, I don't know what pick, but I'd prbably do it:strong:

[Inkana7]

Boooo.

[bronco militia]

i cant find anything on the star.

I can't either, but I found a thread at Cheeps planet

[DeuceOfClub]

Is there finally someone ready in our farm-system to step up for the big-league?

[Los Broncos]

I can't either, but I found a thread at Cheeps planet

I see a thread about some gay planet bash? ???

[yerner]

I don't know why they think trading within divisions is bad. It sounds like something that's overblown. I understand Wesley would know the plays, but come on, the coaches know all that stuff anyway. If both teams get what they want who cares?



2007 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 76 | Key (http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/features/scouting#key)
Alert: None

Comment:
Wesley is physical, experienced and pretty athletic. He is versatile and has played both safety positions. He is tough and competitive. He has the play recognition and speed to run the alleys. He is quick to insert and takes good angles to the ball. He will step up and take on a lead blocker and shows the ability to shed and finish the play. He can uncoil and pop a ball carrier. He has good key-and-diagnose and anticipation skills in coverage. He has the straight-line speed to run vertically with tight ends, and he reacts well with his back to the quarterback. He has good quickness, balance and playmaking skills in short and intermediate areas. But Wesley is a little stiff and overaggressive. He is most natural playing downhill and in confined areas. He has an upright pedal and lacks ideal transition ability. He has some wasted motion in his plant-and-drive. He doesn't seem very comfortable in deep zones. He can get out of control and miss some tackles.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/160458-p2.html

[Old Dude]

Could we trade BYIM to the Chiefs in exchange for a herpes culture?













(Just kidding, Bob)

[yerner]

I think he'd compete to start in front of Ferguson.

[Killericon]

Ugh.

I don't like it, but we need all the safety help we can get.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I personally would not like this move one bit. Wesley is a talented player with all kinds of athletic ability. His head often isn't in the game but a trade to a division rival might give him the focus he needs, if only in two games a year.

Then again stealing your picks for our trash is pretty funny, too. :)

[ohiobronco2]

This would have biblical implications.

Like real wrath of god type stuff.

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling.

Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes...
The dead rising from the grave.

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria!

LOL

"Yes it's true, this man has no dic*"

[Los Broncos]

I think he'd compete to start in front of Ferguson.

For sure, i think he starts.

[Hotrod]

I personally would not like this move one bit. Wesley is a talented player with all kinds of athletic ability. His head often isn't in the game but a trade to a division rival might give him the focus he needs, if only in two games a year.

Then again stealing your picks for our trash is pretty funny, too. :)

There ya go getting stupid again

[SoDak Bronco]

I don't want to send any picks to the queefs..they can keep him.

[Crushisback]

I would rather sign Donavan Darius

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I would rather sign Donavan Darius

He's on his last legs. Not much better than Lynch.

[cutthemdown]

He's on his last legs. Not much better than Lynch.

If Darius and Lynch are on their last legs because of age then so are Law and Surtain right?

[Requiem]

Anything to get Nick Suck out of a starting job.

[Los Broncos]

Anything to get Nick Suck out of a starting job.

I agree, Nick needs to go.

[Requiem]

I agree, Nick needs to go.

SoCal and I discussed last night off the boards about us not picking up a safety in this past draft. Sundquist, as usual - fed the fans "Who would have beat out who we got?" I think it's insulting (well SoCal thought, and I agree) that they'd challenge the fans intelligence like this. I believe it was Wabbit (who I fully trust on this) that said the Broncos ordered in a lot of defensive back tape.

Last year, they really liked Donte Whitner, and I think he was the guy behind Cutler and Maroney. The Broncos I'm sure, were looking at upgrades this past year too - but didn't get one. Why? I don't think it's because they chose not to, but lacked the ammo to do it.

They have to give up what, three second day picks - our original third and a future third to ensure getting the Florida defensive lineman? I understand why they'd do it - but the fact is they gave up second-round value to get two players. I don't blame them though. They addressed the need and got who they want, but they did lose a lot of value there. It's too bad we didn't get the original fourth for Jake and the third for Al this past year, that would have helped. To think what could have been. . .

This coming draft is weak, and unless some juniors declare (they will) I wouldn't even touch anyone within the first two rounds with a selection. (Maybe Tim, because I think he could do well here.) Now, if the KC Star is reporting the truth, the Broncos are looking into trading future picks for a veteran player to come in, not because they "CAN" - but because they see some need at the position.

Obviously, Sundquist was blowing smoke our rears when he said, "You can get a talented player for a sixth to come in compete, you take that over a guy who might not even make the roster as a draft selection." More bull**** rhetoric. Tell the truth. Even with the additions they made via Adams and Thomas, they still weren't pleased with who they have.

Thank God for Jim Bates coming in and whiping the dirty asses for those who couldn't. It's just my gut feeling he has a lot to do with the total revamp we're seeing on this defense.

Wesley is a streaky player, but I like him over Ferguson. He's what, 28/29? Not a long-term solution, but he could be a guy who can fill the void for a couple of years as John retires and Ferguson ages on into nothingness. Denver failed to get a youngster in the draft, now they'll be sending off more picks (possibly) to make up for the miss in the draft.

I like Cox and Brandon as role players, but not as starters. Denver doesn't have any long-term option at a position riddled with injuries this past season and filled with age at the starting positions. If that doesn't equate to a problem, I don't know what does. Maybe my math is just a little different than what they do in Dove Valley.

Typical Sundquist spin at best when it came to that situation.

[Los Broncos]

SoCal and I discussed last night off the boards about us not picking up a safety in this past draft. Sundquist, as usual - fed the fans "Who would have beat out who we got?" I think it's insulting (well SoCal thought, and I agree) that they'd challenge the fans intelligence like this. I believe it was Wabbit (who I fully trust on this) that said the Broncos ordered in a lot of defensive back tape.

Last year, they really liked Donte Whitner, and I think he was the guy behind Cutler and Maroney. The Broncos I'm sure, were looking at upgrades this past year too - but didn't get one. Why? I don't think it's because they chose not to, but lacked the ammo to do it.

They have to give up what, three second day picks - our original third and a future third to ensure getting the Florida defensive lineman? I understand why they'd do it - but the fact is they gave up second-round value to get two players. I don't blame them though. They addressed the need and got who they want, but they did lose a lot of value there. It's too bad we didn't get the original fourth for Jake and the third for Al this past year, that would have helped. To think what could have been. . .

This coming draft is weak, and unless some juniors declare (they will) I wouldn't even touch anyone within the first two rounds with a selection. (Maybe Tim, because I think he could do well here.) Now, if the KC Star is reporting the truth, the Broncos are looking into trading future picks for a veteran player to come in, not because they "CAN" - but because they see some need at the position.

Obviously, Sundquist was blowing smoke our rears when he said, "You can get a talented player for a sixth to come in compete, you take that over a guy who might not even make the roster as a draft selection." More bull**** rhetoric. Tell the truth. Even with the additions they made via Adams and Thomas, they still weren't pleased with who they have.

Thank God for Jim Bates coming in and whiping the dirty asses for those who couldn't. It's just my gut feeling he has a lot to do with the total revamp we're seeing on this defense.

Wesley is a streaky player, but I like him over Ferguson. He's what, 28/29? Not a long-term solution, but he could be a guy who can fill the void for a couple of years as John retires and Ferguson ages on into nothingness. Denver failed to get a youngster in the draft, now they'll be sending off more picks (possibly) to make up for the miss in the draft.

I like Cox and Brandon as role players, but not as starters. Denver doesn't have any long-term option at a position riddled with injuries this past season and filled with age at the starting positions. If that doesn't equate to a problem, I don't know what does. Maybe my math is just a little different than what they do in Dove Valley.

Typical Sundquist spin at best when it came to that situation.

I was hoping we could of got those picks for Jake to help us out at safety. Fergie is done and this is Lynches last year i think. I think it would be good to bring Wesley in, not to old like you said and we don't have to commit long term. Cox and Brandon are solid players but we need a real stud back there, someone like a Reed.

[Beantown Bronco]

Wesley was a beast on my fantasy team 2 or 3 years ago....lots of tackles, a few sacks and forced fumbles. His numbers were off last season, but a move to a hated division rival would cure all that IMO.

[bendog]

I'm all for weasley, and agree Sundquist was just blowing smoke. BUT it seems that in Bates' scheme, the places where you need the most talent is Dline and corner, with the man press. So they went after the two huge holes, and will try to patchwork the safety. Plus, I wouldn't totally discount the idea that they really do like Abdullah.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I wouldn't mind Wesley for a 5th...no more 1st day picks though. Also...I still hold out hope that Karl Paymah gets a shot at safety.

[ZONA]

I wouldn't mind Wesley for a 5th...no more 1st day picks though. Also...I still hold out hope that Karl Paymah gets a shot at safety.

dido

[SonOfLe-loLang]

As a whole, i'd say the nicknames people on this board come up with for players are appalling uncreative. Nick Suck?

[bendog]

A fifth, but no more and conditional on him playing regularly as a starter.

[BABronco]

I'd do it ... not sure what pick... but i would not be upset about it at all.

[Hotrod]

Wait isnt Troy Ineedafreakinghaircut-olmoula a free agent next year? I think I heard that.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Yeah, but im sure they'll franchise/transition him or something

[Ron Mexico]

This would have biblical implications.

Like real wrath of god type stuff.

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling.

Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes...
The dead rising from the grave.

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria!

Stay Puft to start at safety!

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/staypuft_figure_15inch_L.jpg

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Yeah, but im sure they'll franchise/transition him or something

Why would the Chiefs franchise Greg freakin' Wesley?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Why would the Chiefs franchise Greg freakin' Wesley?

Learn to read the post above the one you quote

[(Jae)]

Why would the Chiefs franchise Greg freakin' Wesley?

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060202/060202_polamalu_vmed_330p.widec.jpg

[RunSilentRunDeep]

I wouldn't mind Wesley for a 5th...no more 1st day picks though. Also...I still hold out hope that Karl Paymah gets a shot at safety.

You don't move someone to safety when they don't have a knack for playing in space. Paymah should be better off in Bates' system playing a lot of man - which he excelled at in college. Don't see why everyone is down on Ferguson. He does very well for a guy only getting paid $1M.

[HEAV]

Why not just sign Darrius?

[DenverBrit]

Wait for him to be cut. Don't give the Chiefs a thing....except a digit.

[400HZ]

He's what, 28/29? Not a long-term solution, but he could be a guy who can fill the void for a couple of years as John retires and Ferguson ages on into nothingness. Denver failed to get a youngster in the draft, now they'll be sending off more picks (possibly) to make up for the miss in the draft.

I like Cox and Brandon as role players, but not as starters. Denver doesn't have any long-term option at a position riddled with injuries this past season and filled with age at the starting positions. If that doesn't equate to a problem, I don't know what does. Maybe my math is just a little different than what they do in Dove Valley.

Typical Sundquist spin at best when it came to that situation.

As that describes more and more of the Broncos roster, they are setting up for a bigger and bigger drop off down the road. Remember when KC used to be mocked as the 'old' team? Well surprise, surprise - they are falling off now. It will be interesting to see if that happens in Denver as well. I was pissed in 05 when Denver pulled off a solid draft, but I'm feeling better after this year. :)

[MechanicalBull]

But Lenny...you will have saved the lives of millions of registered voters.

http://site.steelcityauctions.com/ghostbusters.jpg

[MechanicalBull]

Why not just sign Darrius?

The Carolina Panthers, according to sources, are interested in signing free agent safety Donovin Darius, who was recently released by the Jacksonville Jaguars.

The Oakland Raiders and Buffalo Bills are also interested, but it would seem reasonable that Darius, 32, would join a team that gives him a shot to win the Super Bowl, and the Panthers are closer to that goal than Oakland and Buffalo.

Source: The Gaston Gazette

[Kaylore]

As that describes more and more of the Broncos roster, they are setting up for a bigger and bigger drop off down the road. Remember when KC used to be mocked as the 'old' team? Well surprise, surprise - they are falling off now. It will be interesting to see if that happens in Denver as well. I was pissed in 05 when Denver pulled off a solid draft, but I'm feeling better after this year. :)

The average age of our team is 28. Lynch, Rod and Nalen skew it higher. You Charger fans have this weird belief that our team is old; It is very young.

[ward63]

I wouldn't mind Wesley, but trying to make a trade with Carl, is like trying to deal w/a 2 year old. He's gonna cry and cry!

[eddie mac]

As that describes more and more of the Broncos roster, they are setting up for a bigger and bigger drop off down the road. Remember when KC used to be mocked as the 'old' team? Well surprise, surprise - they are falling off now. It will be interesting to see if that happens in Denver as well. I was pissed in 05 when Denver pulled off a solid draft, but I'm feeling better after this year. :)

WTF was wrong with our 06 draft??? You'll find out how good it was this season when Cutler/Marshall and Scheffler tear your defense a new ass-hole.Ha!

[yerner]

I think wesley runs a whole lot better than darius nowadays.

[400HZ]

WTF was wrong with our 06 draft??? You'll find out how good it was this season when Cutler/Marshall and Scheffler tear your defense a new ass-hole.Ha!

Sorry I meant to say 06 draft. The draft following the 05 season.

[WABronco]

Puke.

[cutthemdown]

Sorry I meant to say 06 draft. The draft following the 05 season.

Well then you mean this years draft stinks? How and the hell can you judge this years draft yet?

[theAPAOps5]

400hz is getting to be on the level of Bob. Ignore is about to go into use on him. He has that disease on TV, talking sports out of his ASS.

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[cutthemdown]

400hz you really show your ignorance often. 400hz whole routine is easy to figure out. He thinks if he praises one area of the Broncos he can bash the other with credibilty. For example just because 400hz says one draft was really good, then somehow his opinion that another was total crap carries some kind of weight. You need to put some bait on your rod and troll a little better if you want to land a fish. You may be able to get us to bite but you always get proven a fraud.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

It would take half a season to get the stench of KC off him enough to allow him in the locker room.

[atomicbloke]

It would take half a season to get the stench of KC off him enough to allow him in the locker room.

It didn't take that long for Neil Smith.

[wabbit]

As that describes more and more of the Broncos roster, they are setting up for a bigger and bigger drop off down the road...

What a load of crap.

Denver builds on the run & has set it's priorities according to who they feel they have to beat to get where they want to go.

They see the biggest hurdle as the Colts & have established their FA & drafting priorities accordingly.

Yes, the Chargers have drafted well the last few years and yes, they're a huge obstacle, but over the years...even the last few, the Broncos have handled the Chargers & Patriots of the NFL.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

They see the biggest hurdle as the Colts & have established their FA & drafting priorities accordingly.
.

Hahaha. That's amusing. A team that couldn't even make the playoffs last year sees the Colts as their biggest hurdle.

How about winning at Arrowhead? The Broncos won't be an elite team in this league unless they get that done. Good luck.

[wabbit]

Hahaha. That's amusing. A team that couldn't even make the playoffs last year sees the Colts as their biggest hurdle.

How about winning at Arrowhead? The Broncos won't be an elite team in this league unless they get that done. Good luck.

The Chiefys are inconsequential unless the Broncos lose at Arrowhead at a crucial time of the season.

...and a hearty thank you for the good wishes

[Clockwork Orange]

LOL

Winning at Narrowhead is a prerequisite of being an elite team now? Excuse me.....

:rofl: Hilarious! ROFL! :laugh:

The friggin' Beatles were still together the last time the road to the Super Bowl ran through KC, yet somehow you have to win at Narrowhead to be elite?

Classic. Ha!

[Florida_Bronco]

Oh God, Bob is trying to talk football with the big boys again.

[bpc]

As that describes more and more of the Broncos roster, they are setting up for a bigger and bigger drop off down the road. Remember when KC used to be mocked as the 'old' team? Well surprise, surprise - they are falling off now. It will be interesting to see if that happens in Denver as well. I was pissed in 05 when Denver pulled off a solid draft, but I'm feeling better after this year. :)


I love how we now have a pack of SD fans parading around here like they've won A playoff game in the past three years.

Was it really that long ago that they provided ALL AFC West teams with three bye weeks during the year?

Talk to us when you have one losing season in 12 seasons, not two winning seasons in that same period.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

LOL

Winning at Narrowhead is a prerequisite of being an elite team now? Excuse me.....

:rofl: Hilarious! ROFL! :laugh:

The friggin' Beatles were still together the last time the road to the Super Bowl ran through KC, yet somehow you have to win at Narrowhead to be elite?

Classic. Ha!

Until you guys can come into our place and do it, you ain't going nowhere. And a Bronco fan brought it up before I did.

[-Slap-]

I would rather sign Donavan Darius

Me too.

[ZachKC]

He is a hard hitting physical player who tends to lose focus and check out. You are going to get a good number of great plays and a few frustrating mess ups but he is a good player overall. I liked him a lot more when he was younger...he never quite became the player we thought he would.

[DenverBrit]

Hahaha.

How about winning at Arrowhead? The Broncos won't be an elite team in this league unless they get that done. Good luck.

Winning in Arrowhead is required before being considered Elite? Hilarious!

You're usually just an ass, but today, you've surpassed yourself.

Using your 'logic' NE won't be an Elite team until they beat the Broncos....at Gillette, let alone Invesco. Yet they managed to squeeze in 3 Super Bowls.

Get back to your Star Wars dolls, you're a know-nothing-wannabe :curtsey:

[Los Broncos]

Bob is getting drilled.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Winning in Arrowhead is required before being considered Elite?

No. I'm saying it's a barrier for this particular Broncos team. It seems to be a hump they can't get over. Why do the Broncos routinely make the Chiefs their bitches in Invesco, yet look like a completely different football team in Kansas City? You can't tell me the venue has that big of an effect on the outcome. I

t's some kind of mental block. Maybe Jay Cutler can turn that around, maybe not, but I don't think you'll see the Broncos winning any playoff games until they do something that makes people sit up and notice, like walk into Arrowhead and make the Chiefs their bitches. Like they did in 1998 and almost did the year before.

[frerottenextelway]

No. I'm saying it's a barrier for this particular Broncos team.

Nonsense, the barrier for this Broncos team is beating the Colts, anywhere. Denver usually splits with K.C., which is pretty typical considering they both have tremendous hfa.

[frerottenextelway]

As that describes more and more of the Broncos roster, they are setting up for a bigger and bigger drop off down the road. Remember when KC used to be mocked as the 'old' team? Well surprise, surprise - they are falling off now. It will be interesting to see if that happens in Denver as well. I was pissed in 05 when Denver pulled off a solid draft, but I'm feeling better after this year. :)

Crazy talk, Denver is a very young team with a few veterans on it.

Skill positions:

QB Cutler - 24
HB Henry - 28
HB Bell - 24
TE Graham - 28
TE Scheffler - 24
WR Walker - 28
WR Marshall - 23

Most positions where we have an aging veteran starting, we already have a capable 1st, 2nd, or 3rd year player behind them.

Like the OT position:

OT - Lepsis 33
OT - Meadows 33

but behind them we have

OT - Pears 24
OT - Harris 22 (granted, he hasn't proven anything yet)
OG/T - Kuper 24

Anyone who thinks this an ''old'' team ready for some kind of drop off is lame. The heart of this team is probably younger than any other team in the league.

[Jens1893]

400hz is getting to be on the level of Bob. Ignore is about to go into use on him. He has that disease on TV, talking sports out of his ASS.

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Amen. Chargers this, Chargers that ... yadda, yadda, yadda. We get that you think the Chargers are the best team the world has ever seen, you do not have to repeat that every 5 minutes.

[MechanicalBull]

Amen. Chargers this, Chargers that ... yadda, yadda, yadda. We get that you think the Chargers are the best team the world has ever seen, you do not have to repeat that every 5 minutes.

Hey we have to give the Chargers a little bit of credit. They are the best team ever to not make the playoffs.

[Rascal]

SoCal and I discussed last night off the boards about us not picking up a safety in this past draft. Sundquist, as usual - fed the fans "Who would have beat out who we got?" I think it's insulting (well SoCal thought, and I agree) that they'd challenge the fans intelligence like this. I believe it was Wabbit (who I fully trust on this) that said the Broncos ordered in a lot of defensive back tape.

Last year, they really liked Donte Whitner, and I think he was the guy behind Cutler and Maroney. The Broncos I'm sure, were looking at upgrades this past year too - but didn't get one. Why? I don't think it's because they chose not to, but lacked the ammo to do it.

They have to give up what, three second day picks - our original third and a future third to ensure getting the Florida defensive lineman? I understand why they'd do it - but the fact is they gave up second-round value to get two players. I don't blame them though. They addressed the need and got who they want, but they did lose a lot of value there. It's too bad we didn't get the original fourth for Jake and the third for Al this past year, that would have helped. To think what could have been. . .

This coming draft is weak, and unless some juniors declare (they will) I wouldn't even touch anyone within the first two rounds with a selection. (Maybe Tim, because I think he could do well here.) Now, if the KC Star is reporting the truth, the Broncos are looking into trading future picks for a veteran player to come in, not because they "CAN" - but because they see some need at the position.

Obviously, Sundquist was blowing smoke our rears when he said, "You can get a talented player for a sixth to come in compete, you take that over a guy who might not even make the roster as a draft selection." More bull**** rhetoric. Tell the truth. Even with the additions they made via Adams and Thomas, they still weren't pleased with who they have.

Thank God for Jim Bates coming in and whiping the dirty asses for those who couldn't. It's just my gut feeling he has a lot to do with the total revamp we're seeing on this defense.

Wesley is a streaky player, but I like him over Ferguson. He's what, 28/29? Not a long-term solution, but he could be a guy who can fill the void for a couple of years as John retires and Ferguson ages on into nothingness. Denver failed to get a youngster in the draft, now they'll be sending off more picks (possibly) to make up for the miss in the draft.

I like Cox and Brandon as role players, but not as starters. Denver doesn't have any long-term option at a position riddled with injuries this past season and filled with age at the starting positions. If that doesn't equate to a problem, I don't know what does. Maybe my math is just a little different than what they do in Dove Valley.

Typical Sundquist spin at best when it came to that situation.


LOL Earlier people claimed this draft was really deep, now you are saying it is weak unless some juniors forgo their senior year.

[400HZ]

What a load of crap.

Denver builds on the run & has set it's priorities according to who they feel they have to beat to get where they want to go.

They see the biggest hurdle as the Colts & have established their FA & drafting priorities accordingly.

Yes, the Chargers have drafted well the last few years and yes, they're a huge obstacle, but over the years...even the last few, the Broncos have handled the Chargers & Patriots of the NFL.

Wow, sensitive topic? OK, I'll stop.

[Rascal]

Not sure if I want him or Donovin. Wesley would cost a draft pick, but he has been healthy unlike Donovin who hasn't played a full season in several years. Plus I think Wesley has more years left in him.

IMO this is a clear sign that the Ferguson's recovery isn't go as well as the Broncos would like.

My concern is that Wesley is a SS, and frankly that is the same position that Lynch should be playing. I'd prefer to get a legit FS and put lynch at SS.

[theAPAOps5]

Well as I have Bob on ignore and people can't seem to stop quoting his inane threads I feel I have to respond.

First of all Bob don't get too cocky about making the playoffs. Its not like you guys had a vaunted leap into the playoffs. You had to rely on the stars aligning and 4 teams losing. Thats called backing in. Denver has done it as well. As for winning in Arrowhead. I seem to remember one of the years we won the Superbowl. You know that shiny thing that comes the first week in February. The biggest championship of them all. Something your team hasn't sniffed since you were in your moms womb I don't mean like after a date with her. Yeah we lost in Arrowhead during the regular season then returned to drill your ass. So winning in arrowhead is not a prerequisite to a championship. Teams split a lot in inter-division games. Now print this little post out post it on your wall next to your "Sports for Dummies Book," "How to Date Your Mom - The Guide to not Getting Caught." This will help your retarded, dim witted, pathetic existence.

[ColoradoBuff]

Another load of crap from the fat troll named Bobo!!

[Inkana7]

He is a hard hitting physical player who tends to lose focus and check out. You are going to get a good number of great plays and a few frustrating mess ups but he is a good player overall. I liked him a lot more when he was younger...he never quite became the player we thought he would.

There are high expectations that come with being drafted out of Arkansas-Pine Bluff?

[ol number 7]

And it's our second pick in the 8th round

We resign Clarett and trade him to the Chiefs. Carl finds out he is in prison and can't play. Ha Ha

[ZachKC]

There are high expectations that come with being drafted out of Arkansas-Pine Bluff?

There were high expectations after his rookie year. He had a great second year but got complacent when he signed another contract.

[Inkana7]

There were high expectations after his rookie year. He had a great second year but got complacent when he signed another contract.

Ah, okay. You know what round he was drafted in?

[ZachKC]

Ah, okay. You know what round he was drafted in?

3rd.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Nonsense, the barrier for this Broncos team is beating the Colts, anywhere.

Do you really think a team that can't beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead is going to beat the Colts anywhere? C'mon.

Baby steps.

[NFLBRONCO]

I want an upgrade at S but, can we at least trade with a team that has playoff experience players (not players who's only playoff experience is watching them on TV).

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I want an upgrade at S but, can we at least trade with a team that has playoff experience players (not players who's only playoff experience is watching them on TV).

Wesley has started in two playoff games.

[NFLBRONCO]

Wesley has started in two playoff games.


Thanks Bob


Seriously does any of our S guys fit in Bates scheme is or injured guys are not healing as fast as they hoped.

[Rascal]

Ooppss...I thougth wesley was a SS, due to his aggressiveness against the run, but he is a FS. I like the move a lot more, as hopefully it would put Lynch at SS where he belongs IMO. I'd take him for a fifth.

[KCStud]

Wesley is average. He always goes for the big hit and fails to make it at times. He makes way more mistakes than good plays. He makes some good INT's, but usually with 1 INT comes 3 blown coverages leading to a 20+ yard pickup.

[theAPAOps5]

Wesley is average. He always goes for the big hit and fails to make it at times. He makes way more mistakes than good plays. He makes some good INT's, but usually with 1 INT comes 3 blown coverages leading to a 20+ yard pickup.

Crap so in essence we are trading for another Deltha, Toast, O'Neil except at Safety.

As for the big hit that was my biggest issue with Al Wilson last year. It seemed like towards the middle of the season and more towards the end he would go in to light a guy up and bounce off him allowing the guy to gain another 5 yards. In fact that happened with a lot of the D, they lacked wrapping up technique.

[DenverBrit]

Do you really think a team that can't beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead is going to beat the Colts anywhere? C'mon.

Baby steps.

Yes!!!
It's all about matchups, didn't they teach you that at NFL for Dummies??

Beating KC at Arrowhead has nothing to do with the Broncos ability to beat the Colts.
Trying to pump up KC by declaring them a litmus test for the Broncos, is plain stupid....even for you.
This statement is not true either.
KC won't win a playoff game until they beat the Broncos at Invesco.
This however, is true:
Unless Denver stumbles again this season, KC won't be able to back into the playoffs. :clown:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

KC won't win a playoff game until they beat the Broncos at Invesco.

Actually I tend to agree. We almost got over that hump last season.

[DenverBrit]

Crap so in essence we are trading for another Deltha, Toast, O'Neil except at Safety.

As for the big hit that was my biggest issue with Al Wilson last year. It seemed like towards the middle of the season and more towards the end he would go in to light a guy up and bounce off him allowing the guy to gain another 5 yards. In fact that happened with a lot of the D, they lacked wrapping up technique.

It's interesting that no Denver paper is reporting this 'rumor.'

[theAPAOps5]

The worst thing that could happen to KC is finishing 9-7 and in the playoffs. Now they won't have such a candy ass schedule.

[Florida_Bronco]

Wesley is average. He always goes for the big hit and fails to make it at times. He makes way more mistakes than good plays. He makes some good INT's, but usually with 1 INT comes 3 blown coverages leading to a 20+ yard pickup.

KCStud? I bet all the sheep just go crazy for you. :giggle:

[theAPAOps5]

It's interesting that no Denver paper is reporting this 'rumor.'

All the major writers are on the Rockies right now. I think Burger Bill is on Vacation or Eating. The other beat writers may be waiting to see what is happening. Also Shanny aint saying anything to the media right now. I saw him and his family leave for his house down in Cabo last week from my airport.

Of course this thread was started by Booby so take that for what its worth.

[Rascal]

I want an upgrade at S but, can we at least trade with a team that has playoff experience players (not players who's only playoff experience is watching them on TV).

How many of the defensive lineman we brought in have playoff experience?

That argument is such a load of crap anyway. Just because players haven't played in the playoffs mean they are a bad player, just means they played on a bad team.

[broncosteven]

If Sammy Knight was the Red Knight, maybe Wesley is the Burned Knight?

[kmartin575]

The average age of our team is 28. Lynch, Rod and Nalen skew it higher. You Charger fans have this weird belief that our team is old; It is very young.

28 is not very young.

[kmartin575]

Crazy talk, Denver is a very young team with a few veterans on it.

Skill positions:

QB Cutler - 24
HB Henry - 28
HB Bell - 24
TE Graham - 28
TE Scheffler - 24
WR Walker - 28
WR Marshall - 23

Most positions where we have an aging veteran starting, we already have a capable 1st, 2nd, or 3rd year player behind them.

Like the OT position:

OT - Lepsis 33
OT - Meadows 33

but behind them we have

OT - Pears 24
OT - Harris 22 (granted, he hasn't proven anything yet)
OG/T - Kuper 24

Anyone who thinks this an ''old'' team ready for some kind of drop off is lame. The heart of this team is probably younger than any other team in the league.


And of course you discount the fact that within about a year or a year and a half both Champ Bailey and Dre' Bly will be over 30.

[Rascal]

IMO Wesley is better then Ferguson so he'll improve our team even if he gets burned occasionally.

[Inkana7]

And of course you discount the fact that within about a year or a year and a half both Champ Bailey and Dre' Bly will be over 30.

And be leauges better than any other CB tandem in the NFL. So your point?

[Rascal]

And of course you discount the fact that within about a year or a year and a half both Champ Bailey and Dre' Bly will be over 30.

How old are your CB's?

How old are Kennison and Gonzo?

Not to mention you've lost two all star lineman in two years due to retirement.

[theAPAOps5]

28 is not very young.

Man you say stupid stuff around here but this one takes the cake. No wonder your login name is kmartin he's a dumb ass too.

[Florida_Bronco]

28 is not very young.

Which is the same age L. Johnson turns this year, and he's a running back, the position which is most affected by age.

Stay smart, Kmart. :spit:

[Broncos_OTM]

Ooppss...I thougth wesley was a SS, due to his aggressiveness against the run, but he is a FS. I like the move a lot more, as hopefully it would put Lynch at SS where he belongs IMO. I'd take him for a fifth.
Both Fergie and Lynch in the old system were SS types. if you watched alot of games last year you would noticed that Lynch plays close to the line. of course he has other assignments but he did play a large role as the "fourth" linebacker..

[DenverBrit]

28 is not very young.

Spoken like a 12 year old. :clown:

[ol number 7]

I personally would not like this move one bit. Wesley is a talented player with all kinds of athletic ability. His head often isn't in the game but a trade to a division rival might give him the focus he needs, if only in two games a year.

Then again stealing your picks for our trash is pretty funny, too. :)

Let's see. sentence one;talented player with all kinds of athletic ability. sentence two : stealing your picks for our trash.

Bob talks like King Carl. Your second sentence just trashed your first.
Remember Neil Smith?? The ex Chief with TWO Bronco Superbowl rings.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Let's see. sentence one;talented player with all kinds of athletic ability. sentence two : stealing your picks for our trash.

Bob talks like King Carl. Your second sentence just trashed your first.
Remember Neil Smith?? The ex Chief with TWO Bronco Superbowl rings.

He IS a talented player, but he is still trash to us. We are tossing him out with the rest of the garbage we don't need.

[Swedish Extrovert]

Let's see. sentence one;talented player with all kinds of athletic ability. sentence two : stealing your picks for our trash.

Bob talks like King Carl. Your second sentence just trashed your first.
Remember Neil Smith?? The ex Chief with TWO Bronco Superbowl rings.

Taking out the Broncos trash hasn't stopped the Chiefs before.

Besides, I think this would be a deal for them. The Chiefs have nothing to lose next season... like it was said earlier on this thread, the most they have to hope for is a 9-7 record and a Wild Card loss. Why not think about the future? Shanahan always does.

[Steve Sewell]

Then again stealing your picks for our trash is pretty funny, too. :)

Bob, we're not giving up any picks for your QB's. We're just fine in that department.