At this point who is our biggest Rival?

[Gcver2ver3]

I was on a Chargers forum and they had this poll going and they were pretty evenly split between the Raiders and Broncos.

Recently the Raiders have sucked but all-time they may be our gretest rival.

How about now though, in 2007, is it still the Raiders? Maybe the Chargers, Patriots, Chiefs, etc.

At this point which team do you hate the most and/or consider our biggest rival?

[spdirty]

I'd say the Chargers...they are our toughest competition for the division, and its very improbable to go to the SB if you don't win your division.

[Arkansas Bronco]

I voted Colts due to the past few seasons results. They dont beat us they abuse us and they are the team we strive to beat. Long term it is obvious that KC and OAK/LA.

[Brien]

I can tell you as a Bronco fan living in Indiana that the Colts have not seen us as a rival to them. They think that we have no chance to beat them with Payton as there Quaterback.

[cmhargrove]

Colts would have to be our "benchmark" of success. If we can beat Peyton outright and finally get a passrush with great coverage, we should be set to win it all.

In the division, it will have to be the Chargers for the next few years, the Chiefs are on decline. Although, I have high hopes for our late season game at Arrowhead this year.

[spdirty]

I can tell you as a Bronco fan living in Indiana that the Colts have not seen us as a rival to them. They think that we have no chance to beat them with Payton as there Quaterback.

kinda how the Pats see us as a rival to them.

[Garcia Bronco]

there can be only one

[Hotrod]

I dont care how bad they are the faid will always be enemy #1

[brncs_fan]

I still don't hold back on Madden from puting up 100+ on the Raiders, even though they haven't been as competitive in recent years and as such the rivalry hasn't been as intense.

I would say that the games with the Chiefs for about 3 or 4 years there in 02 through 05 were close to rivalry games, but now I think it is more of a divisional thing since they themselves appear to be headed for a slide.

I wouldn't call the Chargers a rival either. Rivalries take time to develop and fester and when their team has a loosing record 60% of the time, it is really hard to gather any steam.

Rivalries are hard to develop when they are one sided, so the Pats are out. (honestly, I get excited when I see the Pats are on the schedule)

I would say the Colts are close to being a rival, atleast for Broncos fans. I don't think that the Colts or their fans get too awful worried about having to beat us.

Right now I would say our only real rival is still the Faid. I know that there are some bad games against the Faid where they beat us recently that still have a bad taste in my mouth (Gannon's 20 consecutive completion games, 4th Quarter colapse at home in the snow). If they ever get back to fielding a team worth snot, then I think the rivalry will be back on in a flash.

[bronco militia]

until the raiders start winning again, the chiefs.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

The Chargers have no rivals in the AFCW, despite what they want to believe. They flat out have not been that good for a very long time for any of the other teams to really develop that hatred of them. It's still Oak-Den-KC, and with Oakland down right now, KC is Denver's biggest rival.

[Los Broncos]

SD, they are our only threat in the division.

[elsid13]

The Chargers have no rivals in the AFCW, despite what they want to believe. They flat out have not been that good for a very long time for any of the other teams to really develop that hatred of them. It's still Oak-Den-KC, and with Oakland down right now, KC is Denver's biggest rival.

There is potential in the Broncos/Bolts rival. Especial after with the whole Nalen/Igor the troll little scrap last season. When two teams on the field start to go at it, it seems to make it way in to the fan's seats.

[brncs_fan]

SD, they are our only threat in the division.

Being a division contendor does not make you a rival. It makes you a must win game.

[Los Broncos]

Being a division contendor does not make you a rival. It makes you a must win game.

They beat us twice last year and one of those wins was a come backer.

[Smiling Assassin27]

The Denver Broncos are the Denver Broncos' biggest rival.


It's Cryptic Friday, everyone...

[fontaine]

I would say that the Chargers rivalry is definitely heating up.

Between Igor and Nalen/Coop exchanging punches (usually happens anyway) but it spilled over to the media and I haven't seen that kind of bad blood between these two teams for a while. With the young nucleas of players the Chargers have they are going to be the toughest competition for us in terms of the AFW crown.

I know one thing Shanny won't forget is SD running up the score in the 4th to the tune of 20 points when we were already 11 behind.

Shanahan doesn't forget that kind of stuff.

[Flex Gunmetal]

The Faid will forever be Bronco Nation's true arch nemesis, no matter the weather.

[Jason in LA]

It has always been the Raiders and the Chiefs. It will always be the Raiders and the Chiefs. Period.

The Chargers don't have a seat at the big table. They have sucked for the most of the past 40 years. A few good seasons here and there doesn't get them away from the kids table. The AFC West has always been about the Broncos, Raiders, and Chiefs. Don't pump up Charger fans head by thinking about them as a rival.

Viewing the Colts as a rival is pretty much bowing down to them, because the Colts surely don't view the Broncos as a rival. Don't give them the credit.

Same goes for the Pats. The Broncos have had their number, but do you think they really care? They have the rings. So what does it really matter. That's like Raider fan gloating in '97 because they beat the Broncos. We as fans have to be better than that. There is a higher standard. The standard isn't beating the best when it doesn't mean much. It's winning the Super Bowl.

Like I said to start my post. It's Raiders and Chiefs. That's it. In 10 years the Pats and Colts may suck and won't be the Broncos rival. But the Raiders and Chiefs will be. And in 10 years, the Chargers will still be stuck at the kids table.

It's all about the triangle of hate.

[Jason in LA]

Being a division contendor does not make you a rival. It makes you a must win game.

That's exactly how I view it. The Chargers are good, so they are a must win game. But they can become a sorry team really quick, like they have in the past. Will they be a rival then? A rival is always a rival. The Chiefs and Raiders will always be rivals, no matter what the records are.

I hope those two teams have 20 straight losing seasons, and then take a turn for the worse. I just don't feel that way about the Chargers. Because they aren't a rival. They haven't accomplished enough to hate them. They haven't been enough of a pain in the ass to hate them. I can't remember ever feeling bitter towards that team. Even last year. They were just better. I can't hate a team for just being better.

[rbackfactory80]

Raiders.

[milehimike]

Raiders

[smalltowngrll]

Honestly, no matter how good or bad they get, there will be only one team that can be despised the most and will always be the biggest rival.....that would be the raiders!

:raidersux :smashraid :raiderssu :raidstink

Now, if the question were posed as to who would be our toughest opponant that we have a rivalry with, I'd probably have to say the Colts or the chargers.

:coltstink :chargstin

[brncs_fan]

Nice use of smilies.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Honestly, no matter how good or bad they get, there will be only one team that can be despised the most and will always be the biggest rival.....that would be the raiders!

:raidersux :smashraid :raiderssu :raidstink

Now, if the question were posed as to who would be our toughest opponant that we have a rivalry with, I'd probably have to say the Colts or the chargers.

:coltstink :chargstin

Yea pretty much what I meant. I am just pissed at the Colts for blowing us out over and over the past few years. The Chuffs and the Faid will for ever be locked in hatred (I have never even used any of there teams on madden or traded for there players but do rob their draft picks).

[fdf]

I hope those two teams have 20 straight losing seasons, and then take a turn for the worse. I just don't feel that way about the Chargers. Because they aren't a rival. They haven't accomplished enough to hate them. They haven't been enough of a pain in the ass to hate them. I can't remember ever feeling bitter towards that team. Even last year. They were just better. I can't hate a team for just being better.

Well said. My feelings exactly.

[SleepingTiger]

Chargers, they are the defending afc west champs. we have to get by them before we can think about any other team.

[SleepingTiger]

I see alot of people saying raiders and chiefs. If you say most hated, i agree totally. For them to be our rival, they have to be on par with us. right now, raiders and chiefs are the red head step child of this division.

[Gcver2ver3]

The Denver Broncos are the Denver Broncos' biggest rival.


It's Cryptic Friday, everyone...


I'm guessing you're the vote for "other"

Interesting perspective....I must admit that after tough losses I'm more upset with my own Broncos team a heck of a lot more than I am angry at the team that just beat us.

[Gcver2ver3]

I see alot of people saying raiders and chiefs. If you say most hated, i agree totally. For them to be our rival, they have to be on par with us. right now, raiders and chiefs are the red head step child of this division.

as much as i'd love to agree here...the chiefs made the playoffs last year and we didn't....

not to mention we split in head 2 head last season as well

[SleepingTiger]

as much as i'd love to agree here...the chiefs made the playoffs last year and we didn't....

not to mention we split in head 2 head last season as well

only if we were the same team from last year... but we're not. I have high hopes for us this year more than any other since Elway left.

Cutler is one year smarter. Champ is Champ. Liabilities in Foster and Tatum is gone. We have our first ligit RB since Portis. We lost Dwill, but gained Bly. Lepsis is back. Our Dline actually looks decent and just might provide enough pressure on the opposing QB. We lost Al, but DJ is da man now. Whether he can take over and not miss a beat is up to DJ. We all know he has the physical tools. This team has the talent to go the distance, its up to the coaching staff to put it together.

Most importantly, we have a sure MVP in Hixon.

[bendog]

The Colts. They own us in the playoffs.

[Blueflame]

All of 'em. Any team that isn't the Broncos is the enemy... to be detested and disdained and a victory over them is to be celebrated with much cheer and numerous liquid libations.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You folks constantly talk about the Chiefs. You're all obsessed with the fact that we were a better team last year and you watched us in the playoffs. Another year of that and this place will become THE site for Chief hatin.'

[bowtown]

You folks constantly talk about the Chiefs. You're all obsessed with the fact that we were a better team last year and you watched us in the playoffs. Another year of that and this place will become THE site for Chief hatin.'

ZZZ...
Bob figured out a way to vote for the Chiefs 15 times.

[Jason in LA]

People should be embarrassed to say the Chargers, Colts, or Pats.

The Chargers were damn near about to get kicked out of the AFC West. Now we're supposed to act like they are on the same level with Super Bowl winners.

The Colts have owned the Broncos. Don't stoke their egos by saying they are a rival. They certainly don't see the Broncos as rivals.

The Pats have the rings. They don't care the the Broncos have had their numbers.

Rivals aren't made over a few seasons. Remember when people said the Jags were becoming the Broncos rivals? How long did that last? Not long at all, because they weren't real rivals. Just like the Pats and Colts. 10 years from now the Colts and Pats won't be the Broncos rivals. But the Chiefs and Raiders will be. 10 years from now the Chargers will just be a flash in the pan. So I wouldn't give them rival status.

[ohiobronco2]

there can be only one

Thanks, now I'm having highlander flashbacks.

[bendog]

I fear faide weeks. I mean, someday, they have to beat Den again. It's inevitable. No matter how bad they are, it's gonna happen someday.

With Indy (I hate calling them the colts, cause even Johnny U asked Canton to send him all his stuff back after the team was moved. Canton didn't, btw. Classless jerks that they are. I'm really glad I didn't go to the Duke's induction. I'll never go again) it's like we NEVER beat them in a meaningful game.

[ohiobronco2]

A rival is somebody who you constantly go to battle with and the outcome is almost always unknown till the very end. Currently the Raiders and the Chiefs don't qualify because they are in rebuilding mode. Chargers, Patriots and Colts all qualify since they are at our level. I would vote Chargers, primarily because they are in our division. Colts a close second, since we are owned by them, like we own the Patriots.

[Jason in LA]

A rival is somebody who you constantly go to battle with and the outcome is almost always unknown till the very end. Currently the Raiders and the Chiefs don't qualify because they are in rebuilding mode. Chargers, Patriots and Colts all qualify since they are at our level. I would vote Chargers, primarily because they are in our division. Colts a close second, since we are owned by them, like we own the Patriots.


The Chargers are a Johnny Come Lately, so they wouldn't qualify. I hear what you are saying, but how can you put the Chargers in there when they have been good only two out of the past three years, but sucked for so many years before that? Rivalries aren't built over a couple of seasons. They are built over years and years of playing.

How could the Chiefs not qualify. Last time I checked they beat the Broncos this past season. Damn near beat the Broncos twice, and it is rare for the Broncos to sweep them (the other way around is true as well).

As for the Raiders, the Broncos didn't look so hot against them. If the Broncos had lost either of those games it would have been worse then any other loss of the season. That's not just because they sucked. Even when they were winning the West under Gruden, it sucked the most to lose to them.

I'd say that it sucked more to lose at KC then being swept by the Chargers.

The Colts and Pats don't have enough history with the Broncos to be considered rivals.

[BroncoMatt]

It always about Choakland. No matter what the records are the games will be hard fought on both sides and the lesser team sometimes finds a way to win. They have caused us more heartache than any other team in the league. Do we have a "chargers week?" Hell No. But we as fans, coaches, players, owners sure as hell get up for "raiders week."

[Crushaholic]

We've swept the Raiders more times than I can count, we've swept the Chargers more times than I can count, it's still all about the rival who we split with seemingly every year, the Chiefs...

[easymobee]

As foreign as it sounds, its the Chargers now.

The Raiders might make the jump back up in a year or 2 if Russell pans out because they have a good (mostly) young D and had a real good draft.

The Chiefs were it for awhile, but they are in that "Rebuilding but hoping to get lucky like the Jets and fall into a wild-card" mode.

By the time Brodie Croyle (if/when) gets good and seasoned, Surtain and Law will be into their mid 30's. LJ will have another 900 touches on his resume (if hes still in town), and Herman Edwards will probably have one foot out the door to pursue his really,really dream coaching job ( Eagles ).

I think Herm will end up starting Huard until they are out of playoff contention. If they hover around that .500 mark all year, then Croyle may not even see the field this year at all IMO. Consevative coaches like that always take the old vet with a ceiling over the prospect. Herm would have never pulled Plummer last year.

I did have a nice run of unprecedented Chiefs hating over the last 5 years though (which mystifies me because they only had that 1 real good year).

I think we should even be able to win at KC this year.

[Jason in LA]

We've swept the Raiders more times than I can count, we've swept the Chargers more times than I can count, it's still all about the rival who we split with seemingly every year, the Chiefs...


Sweeping the Raiders is kind of a new thing. It didn't use to be that way. Actually, it was the other way around for many years. Shanny has closed the gap by a lot in a short time, but he still has a ways to go to catch the Raiders in head to head games.

To me the Chargers are so irrelavant that I don't even keep track of the head to head games. I'm sure the Broncos are ahead.

[SureShot]

Raiders.

[Jason in LA]

As foreign as it sounds, its the Chargers now.




True rivalries aren't made over a few years. They are made over decades. Like BroncoMatt said, there is no "Charger Week".

[Triplelefthook]

raiders by far

[listopencil]

This year the Chargers will be our main competition, I believe.


But rivalry?

[broncofan2438]

Oh yea, the Chargers are our biggest. The stadiums are electric and I don't know about the rest of you, but I hate the Chugger fans.

[Gcver2ver3]

only if we were the same team from last year... but we're not. I have high hopes for us this year more than any other since Elway left.

Cutler is one year smarter. Champ is Champ. Liabilities in Foster and Tatum is gone. We have our first ligit RB since Portis. We lost Dwill, but gained Bly. Lepsis is back. Our Dline actually looks decent and just might provide enough pressure on the opposing QB. We lost Al, but DJ is da man now. Whether he can take over and not miss a beat is up to DJ. We all know he has the physical tools. This team has the talent to go the distance, its up to the coaching staff to put it together.

Most importantly, we have a sure MVP in Hixon.

I expect us to be better too....but I got to see us do it first....

So at this point I'll still give KC credit for making it to the post season...

I'm looking for bigger things out of us in 2007 though8')

[DeuceOfClub]

It’s always the Raiders.

The Chiefs are cute, but no one take them seriously. And the Chargers recent “success” (twice going one-and-done) is nothing but a bleep-on-the-radar for this sewage-dwelling franchise.

[Northman]

Still the Chiefs to me. I hate them more than any other division rival right now.

[Rock Chalk]

True rivalries aren't made over a few years. They are made over decades. Like BroncoMatt said, there is no "Charger Week".

Never has been, never will be.

[Odysseus]

The Broncos biggest threat in the entire AFC is themselves.

I am still pissed they did not beat the Chiefs in Narrowhead last year. We could have done so much damage to the Chiefs entire psyche with that win. That win would have been like two wins. These guys refuse to put away teams when they have them the past few years. That needs to stop. They have the talent.

Our defense ain't crap until they hang a zero on a AFCW rival team. Blank the Raiders if that team is so bad. I love it when the Raiders get beat by the Broncos. I will always love Darrent Williams for what he did to them in their own house that one game. Do it for DWill.

The one thing I would like the Broncos to do is destroy the perfect season. I want to see Nick Boniconti crying with his Dolphin buddies and see Brian's daddy talking about it. Yeah...that's tough goal to make.

I'm going to enjoy sweeping the Chiefs this year.

I think the animosity with the Chargers will increase this year because the Chargers are planning on making a statement this year. I only hope the statement is "Ouch! Cut that out! You're hurting me! I think you busted my spleen! Aww man! Scored again???"

[wabbit]

Looking at Denver's roster moves the last three to four years, you are left to believe that Shanahan is building this team specifically to counter the Colts' strengths, but Shanahan also would be the first to tell anyone that beating the division rivals is the top priority.

Even so, the top AFC rival to where the Broncos want to go is Indianapolis, with a side look to San Diego.

[Natedog24]

Its biggest rival, not biggest team we need to beat to win a SB...

IMO the Raiders will always be public enemy #1 and then followed up by the Chiefs. And that is it as far as rivals go, I think you have to have some history for there to be a rivalry, and I don't see a lot of history with Denver/SD Denver/NE or Denver/Indy matchups.

[Gcver2ver3]

The Broncos biggest threat in the entire AFC is themselves.

I am still pissed they did not beat the Chiefs in Narrowhead last year. We could have done so much damage to the Chiefs entire psyche with that win. That win would have been like two wins. These guys refuse to put away teams when they have them the past few years. That needs to stop. They have the talent.

Our defense ain't crap until they hang a zero on a AFCW rival team. Blank the Raiders if that team is so bad. I love it when the Raiders get beat by the Broncos. I will always love Darrent Williams for what he did to them in their own house that one game. Do it for DWill.

The one thing I would like the Broncos to do is destroy the perfect season. I want to see Nick Boniconti crying with his Dolphin buddies and see Brian's daddy talking about it. Yeah...that's tough goal to make.

I'm going to enjoy sweeping the Chiefs this year.

I think the animosity with the Chargers will increase this year because the Chargers are planning on making a statement this year. I only hope the statement is "Ouch! Cut that out! You're hurting me! I think you busted my spleen! Aww man! Scored again???"


So thats 2 for "other" both picking the Broncos...

Funny thing is it actually makes a lot of sense...

I would love maybe more than anything, see the Broncos beat the Colts...


But the Colts don't hate us....heck they prolly love us...since they beat us so much...

I voted San Diego...they're a good team....and they can't stand us and they know they have to bring their "A" game to beat us....

Good 2-way hatred/respect for teams equals good rival..

[wabbit]

Its biggest rival, not biggest team we need to beat to win a SB...


Ah, good point.

I suppose it would have to be the Raiders simply because of the unvarnished hatred between greasy Al & Shanahan.

[redrage]

I don't get some of you on here. As someone said before it's the 'triangle of hatred' Bronco-Raiders-Chiefs.

As a Chiefs fan I really don't care what the records of Denver and Oakland are, when it is Bronco or Raider week, it means a little more for KC to pull out a win.

KC beat San Diego in KC last year and that was pretty cool, but beating Denver on Thanksgiving and sweeping Oakland was just sweeter. I can't explain it. It just was.

Seeing the Chargers do well sort of sucks, but seeing the Raiders or Broncos do well make me sick to my stomach. The fact that KC got into the playoffs last year because the Broncos couldn't finish the 49ers at home was the best day of the entire football season.

I can't see how you are a fan of any of these teams and think differently. I totally agree with Jason.

[Odysseus]

So thats 2 for "other" both picking the Broncos...

Funny thing is it actually makes a lot of sense...

I would love maybe more than anything, see the Broncos beat the Colts...

But the Colts don't hate us....heck they prolly love us...since they beat us so much...

I voted San Diego...they're a good team....and they can't stand us and they know they have to bring their "A" game to beat us....

Good 2-way hatred/respect for teams equals good rival..

The Broncos are never going to beat anybody of substance if they don't run the ball like they are supposed to. Travis Henry needs to be beat up 1,500 yards and whoever is backing him needs to bust 1,000.

Cutler needs to study all the tapes he can find of the great Satin Manning. If we cannot beat the devil than we should become one. Cutler is going to be amazing not for his stats or daring do but WHEN we need a key play he'll deliver.

No disrespect to San Diego but the Broncos have been pretty soft the last few years. We haven't had a DL, a top 10 running back, a hot QB, top flight depth a CB and TE worth a crap all in the same place in a long time. It's still a team sport and they still have to prove it on Sunday but Chargers are still new to this winning thing. Stay on the top of the league for awhile. Make the Raiders hate you then we'll talk.

[Odysseus]

Looking at Denver's roster moves the last three to four years, you are left to believe that Shanahan is building this team specifically to counter the Colts' strengths, but Shanahan also would be the first to tell anyone that beating the division rivals is the top priority.

Even so, the top AFC rival to where the Broncos want to go is Indianapolis, with a side look to San Diego.

I think the Broncos decided that a defensive line would kind of handy to stop LT and LJ. I don't think he was thinking about Colts at this point. Nope. You can't play em if you can't get there.

I want the Broncos to face down the Colts and kick the natural crap out of them in the playoffs. I don't care if it's in Indy and it's snowing inside. I want the Broncos to win big games and stop always having a reason for missing the mark. Good teams win. Great teams refuse to lose.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The Broncos are never going to beat anybody of substance if they don't run the ball like they are supposed to. Travis Henry needs to be beat up 1,500 yards and whoever is backing him needs to bust 1,000.

That's a pipe dream if I ever heard one.

We haven't had a DL, a top 10 running back, a hot QB, top flight depth a CB and TE worth a crap all in the same place in a long time.

And still don't...

[Kaylore]

Our true biggest rival is, and always will be, the Raiders. Our biggest rivals on the Mane are the Chiefs because they are so obsessed with us and for some reason keep looking for us to validate them. Also, most of the trolls are Chief fans. Our toughest competition in terms of rivals is the Chargers. So it all depends on what way you're looking at it.

[Bronco Bible]

I said the Chefs cause over the last 15-20 years they have given us the most fits (off the top of my head)

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Our true biggest rival is, and always will be, the Raiders. Our biggest rivals on the Mane are the Chiefs because they are so obsessed with us and for some reason keep looking for us to validate them. Also, most of the trolls are Chief fans. Our toughest competition in terms of rivals is the Chargers. So it all depends on what way you're looking at it.

Right. I didn't really hate the chiefs until I came here and began to read their crap.

[JJJ]

The charge that the Chargers haven't been good enough to be a rival is just not based on facts.

It took the Broncos 14 years to have a winning season. It wasn't until 1973 until you acomplished that heady feat. In that time the Chargers had won 5 AFL West titles, one AFL championship, and at one point won 15 games in a row.

Since that time you have won 8 AFC West titles and we have won 8 AFC West titles. Looks like that means we have 13 and you only have 8.

I admit you got pretty good at losing in Super Bowls but as it stands right now you have 2 league titles and we have 1. By this time next year we will be tied.

And that was just crazy talk when they were trying to decide who should get booted from the AFC West, SD or Seattle. Of course it should have been Seattle but the Donkies should have gotten the boot long before the Bolts. AFL tradition is firmly rooted in the Chiefs, Chargers and Raiders.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

The charge that the Chargers haven't been good enough to be a rival is just not based on facts.

It took the Broncos 14 to have a winning season. It wasn't until 1973 until you acomplished that heady feat. In that time the Chargers had won 5 AFL West titles, one AFL championship, and at one point won 15 games in a row.

Since that time you have won 8 AFC West titles and we have won 8 AFC West titles. Looks like that means we have 13 and you only have 8.

I admit you got pretty good at losing in Super Bowls but as it stands right now you have 2 league titles and we have 1. By this time next year we will be tied.

And that was just crazy talk when they were trying to decide who should get booted from the AFC West, SD or Seattle. Of course it should have been Seattle but the Donkies should have gotten the boot long before the Bolts. AFL tradition is firmly rooted in the Chiefs, Chargers and Raiders.

Wow, talk about wishing for something that just isn't there. The last AFCW team any of Raiders, Broncos, and Chiefs fans (and probably players too) think of when asked about a rival is the Chargers. Maybe in a few years, but no one gives a rat's ass about what the Bolts did 40 years ago. I'd wager you weren't even born then too.

[JJJ]

Wow, talk about wishing for something that just isn't there. The last AFCW team any of Raiders, Broncos, and Chiefs fans (and probably players too) think of when asked about a rival is the Chargers. Maybe in a few years, but no one gives a rat's ass about what the Bolts did 40 years ago. I'd wager you weren't even born then too.

Unfortunately for me that would be a bet you would lose Herc.

Poll results say there is something there. Appears to be some juice in this rivalry. A few more beatings from us and it will really heat up I am sure. We really hate that Nalen guy and the rest of the cut blockers.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Unfortunately for me that would be a bet you would lose Herc.

Poll results say there is something there. Appears to be some juice in this rivalry. A few more beatings from us and it will really heat up I am sure. We really hate that Nalen guy and the rest of the cut blockers.

A few more loses? That was their 1st sweep in 25 years, try a few more years worth of sweeps.

[JJJ]

A few more loses? That was their 1st sweep in 25 years, try a few more years worth of sweeps.

Agreed we need a few more years of playing at a high level and few sweeps over the next few years to get things really going. But I think both the Bolts and the Broncs are poised to mix it up big-time for the next 4 or 5 years. Both have good young QBs and it should be great fun seeing how they duke it out over the next few years. Next five years should be only Denver or SD winning the AFC West IMO. The Turds maybe enter the mix in a few years cause their defense is really tough.

One thing I didn't realize you guys only have one guy in the hall of fame. That kind of freaked me out. Even as crappy as we have been we have 6 there.

[Requiem]

We're our own worst enemy!

[Gcver2ver3]

The charge that the Chargers haven't been good enough to be a rival is just not based on facts.

It took the Broncos 14 years to have a winning season. It wasn't until 1973 until you acomplished that heady feat. In that time the Chargers had won 5 AFL West titles, one AFL championship, and at one point won 15 games in a row.

Since that time you have won 8 AFC West titles and we have won 8 AFC West titles. Looks like that means we have 13 and you only have 8.

I admit you got pretty good at losing in Super Bowls but as it stands right now you have 2 league titles and we have 1. By this time next year we will be tied.

And that was just crazy talk when they were trying to decide who should get booted from the AFC West, SD or Seattle. Of course it should have been Seattle but the Donkies should have gotten the boot long before the Bolts. AFL tradition is firmly rooted in the Chiefs, Chargers and Raiders.

Based on facts?

Let me give you a fact since you somehow want to spin that the Chargers are just as successfull if not more successful than us...

The Broncos have been to 6 Superbowls....SIX!

The Chargers have been to 1.....

Thats all you need to know...

Oh and btw...i'd rather lose Superbowls than have a top 5 pick every year....

[Inkana7]

And Denver's never had a 1-15 season..

[maher_tyler]

Yea pretty much what I meant. I am just pissed at the Colts for blowing us out over and over the past few years. The Chuffs and the Faid will for ever be locked in hatred (I have never even used any of there teams on madden or traded for there players but do rob their draft picks).

LOL me niether..i've never been the Chargers or the Chiefs in Madden..i will admit i did a fantasy draft in franchise mode and picked up Gates and Moss...i chose the Chiefs though..if the Raiders ever put together a good team it's close between the 2 but right now i'd say KC..i hate them!! Like others have said the Chargers just haven't done enough to be a rival..they've sucked for so long it doesn't matter..but as of the last 2-3 years i can see one brewing between us and SD!!

[JJJ]

Based on facts?

Let me give you a fact since you somehow want to spin that the Chargers are just as successfull if not more successful than us...

The Broncos have been to 6 Superbowls....SIX!

The Chargers have been to 1.....

Thats all you need to know...

Oh and btw...i'd rather lose Superbowls than have a top 5 pick every year....

To be fair you have to throw in our AFL championship. That team would have beaten any team in the NFL that year. (We beat the Pats 53-10 and the Bear refused to play us)

Actually was trying to make the case the Bolts are not necessarily the perrenial losers that you try to make them out to be, not that they have a better track record than the Donks. Gotta give the Broncos rep for not being playoff chokers like we are.

But I lived in Denver when they won their two SBs, so I know before they won that 1st one that most of you were more scared of losing a 5th than excited about winning a first. There was one big sigh of relief that came out of the city that you didn't pass the Vikes as the biggest SB losers in history. You were only 7 points away from infamy.

But despite our inability to close out AFC championships (lost 3 in a row at one point) our regular season record has to count for something. We have been in the same division for 46 years and we have won it 60% more times than you have so give us Boltheads a little respect.

[(Jae)]

And Denver's never had a 1-15 season..

or drafted Ryan Leaf.................

[SureShot]

Don't forget Craig Whelihan!


19588

[maher_tyler]

You folks constantly talk about the Chiefs. You're all obsessed with the fact that we were a better team last year and you watched us in the playoffs. Another year of that and this place will become THE site for Chief hatin.'
Wow..yea we watched you get spanked by the worst rush defense in the league moron..how many rushing yards did you get again..i can't wait to sweep your sorry asses this year..maybe then you'll STFU!! Obsessed..you were a better team..we had the same record..the only reason you even made the playoffs was because of our loss..not cause you were the better team!!

[JJJ]

Don't forget Craig Whelihan!


19588

Wheels was the Man!! Lets throw in Babe Laufenberg and Marty Domres just for fun.

[JJJ]

But lets not forget your storied franchise. Here is what is on the official NFL site about your Donkies.

The upstart AFL was the target of many jokes and jeers by the established National Football League in the early 1960s, but the Broncos were the most laughed-at of all.

Bob Howsam, a successful minor league baseball owner who built Bears Stadium in the 1940s, was awarded an AFL charter franchise on August 14, 1959. Severely limited financially, Howsam clothed his first team in used uniforms from the defunct Copper Bowl in Tucson, Ariz. Making the uniforms particularly joke-worthy were the vertically-striped socks that completed the Broncos' dress. Two years later, when Jack Faulkner took over as head coach and general manager, the socks were destroyed in a public burning ceremony.

Classic stuff.

[JJJ]

And I will spare the cheap shot regarding your hee-haw helmuts.

[SureShot]

I'm sorry I wasn't alive for that, but I was alive for the Whelihan era. So who was the better coach that year June Jones or Kevin Gilbride?

[Bronco Bible]

But lets not forget your storied franchise. Here is what is on the official NFL site about your Donkies.

The upstart AFL was the target of many jokes and jeers by the established National Football League in the early 1960s, but the Broncos were the most laughed-at of all.

Bob Howsam, a successful minor league baseball owner who built Bears Stadium in the 1940s, was awarded an AFL charter franchise on August 14, 1959. Severely limited financially, Howsam clothed his first team in used uniforms from the defunct Copper Bowl in Tucson, Ariz. Making the uniforms particularly joke-worthy were the vertically-striped socks that completed the Broncos' dress. Two years later, when Jack Faulkner took over as head coach and general manager, the socks were destroyed in a public burning ceremony.

Classic stuff.





Out of the ashes baby ,not into the ashcan like some teams on the left coast

[Jason in LA]

Our true biggest rival is, and always will be, the Raiders. Our biggest rivals on the Mane are the Chiefs because they are so obsessed with us and for some reason keep looking for us to validate them. Also, most of the trolls are Chief fans. Our toughest competition in terms of rivals is the Chargers. So it all depends on what way you're looking at it.

That's pretty much it right there. Raiders will always bring out the most hate. Chiefs always are a problem. Chargers are just hot right now, but in no way are they the Broncos top rival. I have never hated the Chargers. They'll go back to sucking soon enough. Rivals don't come and go, so the Chargers can't be considered a real rival.

I'd say that the people who voted for the Chargers have short memories. Losing to the Chargers sucks because it hurts the Broncos chances at winning the West. But the sting doesn't last long. Losing to the Raiders or Chiefs is something totally different. That sting lasts a long time.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Until the Raiders field an NFL team again it's the Colts.

[Jason in LA]

The Colts wouldn't consider the Broncos a rival. Calling the Colts a rival is pretty much bowing down to them. Do you think the Colts view the Broncos as a rival?

I wouldn't say that there is bad blood between the teams, especially on the Colts side.

For me personally, I can't hate a team just because they are better, or have beaten the Broncos. There is no real history between the teams. Recent events isn't enough to make a rivalry. If that was the case then the Jags would have been a rival back in the late '90s. That didn't last very long, because it wasn't a real rivalry.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

The Colts wouldn't consider the Broncos a rival. That's because they kick our ass so bad every time we play them in important games. The Chiefs will go the way of the Raiders now so we really don't have any real rivalry's in our division going on right now.

[24champ]

Raidtards are our main rival and will always be, like Kaylore said on the Mane it's rivalry with the Chiefs because their fans are envious of Broncos success.

[JJJ]

Raidtards are our main rival and will always be, like Kaylore said on the Mane it's rivalry with the Chiefs because their fans are envious of Broncos success.

Lets face it the Raiders are the number rival for the Donks, the Bolts, and the Squaws. Everybody hates them first and foremost. Fights don't break out in Charger game for a Bronco game or a Chiefs game. But there is more action in the stands at a Raider game than on the field. We all don't like the Turds and their silly halloween costumes.

We tend to be pretty mellow in SoCal so it is a bit hard to get pumped up about too much. But a nut-stomping cheating Donk like Nalen will do it everytime. Add in some Bronco holier-than-thou myopia about how good their team really is and you do have the makings for a team one can get on board with disliking. As these two teams dominate the 00's in West you will see this rivalry grow I am sure.

[SouthStndJunkie]

F.u.k.c

[Kaylore]

The other thing is that I usually wish for the Raiders to lose when they play the Chiefs or the Chargers. That says it all right there.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Lets face it the Raiders are the number rival for the Donks, the Bolts, and the Squaws. Everybody hates them first and foremost. Fights don't break out in Charger game for a Bronco game or a Chiefs game. But there is more action in the stands at a Raider game than on the field. We all don't like the Turds and their silly halloween costumes.

We tend to be pretty mellow in SoCal so it is a bit hard to get pumped up about too much. But a nut-stomping cheating Donk like Nalen will do it everytime. Add in some Bronco holier-than-thou myopia about how good their team really is and you do have the makings for a team one can get on board with disliking. As these two teams dominate the 00's in West you will see this rivalry grow I am sure.

I can't even remember the last time a Chiefs/Raiders fight broke out. But I remember some bad blood between the Chiefs and Chargers last year.

The Raiders are just a freaking joke. It's not a rivalry if one team is getting beaten all the time. The last time I hated Oakland was when Gannon was making us his bitch.

[Steve Sewell]

there can be only one

Whichever team we play in the Super Bowl this year...

homer!

[BroncoInSkinland]

For me a rivalry = history + challenge. The Raiders don't challenge us, and there is only recent history with SD, Indy, and the Pats. The only one that fits the bill right now is KC. If Oakland stops being Jokeland, that changes immediately. If SD continues to challenge, thus building up the history between the two teams they might take the title... in five to ten years.

[obediah]

Chargers may be a better team and have been for sometime, But i will always hate the raiders, they are by far the #1 rival of all times. Dirty bastages!!!

Obediah

[Orange_Beard]

F.u.k.c..

[KCStud]

As a KC fan, I would say ours is probably the Faiders. We have beaten them 13 of the last 17 years, but the games are always close, no matter how good or bad each team is.

But Denver vs KC IMO is probably the most underrated rivalry in the NFL. Ever since KC beat Denver at Denver the last few years when you guys had Griese, it has been an intense rivalry. You guys beat us at Arrowhead in OT which made it worse. Ever since then it has been the home team who wins with much controversy(Dante Hall's returns) and hate(Clinton Portis and his belt).

Seems like KC has hated Denver even more since the playoff game where Elway and co beat DT and co at Arrowhead with controversy, but we won't get into that.

SD has always been a non factor. They are good now, but just a blow of smoke waiting to burn out IMO.

One thing is certain though. DEN, KC, and SD have all been pathetic in the playoffs. OAK was the last team to really go deep which as a DEN, KC, and SD fan has to hurt...

[Bronco_Beerslug]

SD has always been a non factor. They are good now, but just a blow of smoke waiting to burn out IMO.

One thing is certain though. DEN, KC, and SD have all been pathetic in the playoffs. OAK was the last team to really go deep which as a DEN, KC, and SD fan has to hurt...

Newbie chef fans. We were just in the championship game two years ago newbie and we've been there and much further 3 times out of the last 10 years, something your pathetic team knows nothing about.

[Gcver2ver3]

Well it appears that the Chargers are considered the biggest rival by Bronco fans....

Makes sense being that the results are the same on the Chargers forum too....

[Crushaholic]

But Denver vs KC IMO is probably the most underrated rivalry in the NFL. Ever since KC beat Denver at Denver the last few years when you guys had Griese, it has been an intense rivalry. You guys beat us at Arrowhead in OT which made it worse. Ever since then it has been the home team who wins with much controversy(Dante Hall's returns) and hate(Clinton Portis and his belt).

Exactly...:kcbard:

[Bladerunner]

I'm with Jason on this one...he expressed it well...the Pats and Colts are concerned with each other, not with the Broncos...they aren't rivals with Denver...I voted Chiefs, but only because the Raider are so terrible...I experience true pleasure when the Raiders and the Chiefs lose. There is no other rivalry.

No matter how good the Chargers were in the AFL, they are non-factors in the rivalry factor with Denver. If the Dolts get a sweep once every 25 years, they will never be a rival. I don't care if Igor Olshansky leaves a steamer in the middle of Invesco Field the Chargers are not a rivalry.

The Chargers are a boring franchise with a crappy fan base . I live in San Diego County and I could buy Charger season tickets tomorrow if I wanted to...unbelievable...even their sports radio announcers know how crappy the fan base is...they literally beg the city to come to the Broncos games so they aren't out-numbered in their own stadium (crap-hole that it is)...one would think that last year would be a fan boost, but it probably hurt, because from week 12 or so on all you heard here was "Chargers going to the Super Bowl...Super Bowl...Fa la la la la La Danian)...so all the well-tanned but un-informed and slack-jawed beach bums went out and bought a Tomlinson Jersey and bought a ticket only to watch their team choke on the business end of a Tijuana donkey show...the city was like a bunch of zombies wandering around wondering what happened...I thought we were going to the Super Bowl...I paid all that loot and gave up an afternoon of sitting in my SUV trying to fight through traffic to get to the Mall, only to watch Drayton Florence headbutt Marty Schottenheimer in the nuts???

The Chargers can't get a stadium built in their own city, so they are probably coming to Oceanside (maybe I will get those season tickets if the Chargers are going to come to me). Their owner is about in the same league as the Bidwells, they just hired Norv Turner for their coach. Hell, the most remarkable thing about the talent currently collected in San Diego is how little they have accomplished with it. But hey, the team does have 6 Hall of Famers and no rings so there is always something to be said for consistency.

[Jason in LA]

That's because they kick our ass so bad every time we play them in important games. The Chiefs will go the way of the Raiders now so we really don't have any real rivalry's in our division going on right now.

The Chiefs and Raiders will always be the rivals, no matter what their records are. The Colts would not consider the Broncos a rival at all. So lets not bow down to them and consider them one.

I don't even hate the Colts. I'm not going to hate a team just because they are better. Losing to them is like losing to anybody else. But winning or losing to the Raiders and Chiefs brings out a different emotion. Those games mean more.

[Jason in LA]

The other thing is that I usually wish for the Raiders to lose when they play the Chiefs or the Chargers. That says it all right there.

When the Raiders and Chiefs play I root for what ever will help out the Broncos. If it doesn't matter I root for both teams to look horrible.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

The Chiefs and Raiders will always be the rivals, no matter what their records are. The Colts would not consider the Broncos a rival at all. So lets not bow down to them and consider them one.

I don't even hate the Colts. I'm not going to hate a team just because they are better. Losing to them is like losing to anybody else. But winning or losing to the Raiders and Chiefs brings out a different emotion. Those games mean more.Hey, it's subjective :) There is no team I want to beat worse than the Colts.

[Jason in LA]

Well it appears that the Chargers are considered the biggest rival by Bronco fans....

Makes sense being that the results are the same on the Chargers forum too....


Seems like most people don't understand what a true rivalry is. Rivalries don't change. Ask that question in five years, if the Chargers suck then nobody will vote for them. But people will always vote for the Raiders and Chiefs, because they are true rivals.

I would never give the Chargers the respect of calling them a rival. A couple good seasons isn't giving them a place a the big table.

[Odysseus]

Anybody that goes to the Broncos vs. Raider game would never dispute that is THEE game of the year no matter whose record is better.

The irony is the Steelers can muster more of a crowd than anybody no matter where they play or what their record is. Ask Waffle.

I still contend THIS YEAR the Broncos biggest rival is themselves. Can they shake their complete willingness to hack on big games.

[Jason in LA]

Five years ago nobody in their right mind would consider the Chargers a rival. Now they are our biggest rival? Rivalries don't work that way. They are the Broncos toughest opponent, not their biggest rival.

[BroncoMatt]

This poll is crap. According to our poll results the raiders are our third most hated rival. Does that make sense to anybody?

[elsid13]

This poll is crap. According to our poll results the raiders are our third most hated rival. Does that make sense to anybody?

either to many young ones, or it true the internet make you stupid.

[sixtimeseight]

The Raiders are still our biggest rival. No non-AFC West team is our rival and nobody in the AFC West except for the Raiders has done **** since our SB wins. Actually, no one else except the Raiders had done **** before them either.

[No1BroncoFan]

The Chargers are a Johnny Come Lately, so they wouldn't qualify. I hear what you are saying, but how can you put the Chargers in there when they have been good only two out of the past three years, but sucked for so many years before that? Rivalries aren't built over a couple of seasons. They are built over years and years of playing.

How could the Chiefs not qualify. Last time I checked they beat the Broncos this past season. Damn near beat the Broncos twice, and it is rare for the Broncos to sweep them (the other way around is true as well).

As for the Raiders, the Broncos didn't look so hot against them. If the Broncos had lost either of those games it would have been worse then any other loss of the season. That's not just because they sucked. Even when they were winning the West under Gruden, it sucked the most to lose to them.

I'd say that it sucked more to lose at KC then being swept by the Chargers.

The Colts and Pats don't have enough history with the Broncos to be considered rivals.
I agree with most of what you're saying, but to say the Broncos/Pats rivalry doesn't have history is ludicrous. The very first AFL game ever was a 13-10 victory over the Boston (now New England) Patriots. We've played each other damn near every year and on a couple occasions twice in the same year (not counting playoffs) and our overall record against them isn't quite as awe inspiring as it has been for the last 20 years or so. There are certainly some blowout memories in the series, but most aren't decided until the fourth. I most certainly consider the Pats a rival. Our greatest rivals however, will always be divisional rivals. After all, what true long-suffering Bronco fan doesn't hate the Raiders?

Ben

[No1BroncoFan]

Oh yea, the Chargers are our biggest. The stadiums are electric and I don't know about the rest of you, but I hate the Chugger fans.
Charger fans are great. Once or twice every decade they get to crawl out of their favorite hiding holes and parade around thumping their chests. Then reality beats them back into hiding for another 5-10 years. Wash, rinse, repeat, ad infinitum.

We like to tease Chief and Raider fans about how long it's been since they've won a Superbowl, but the Chargers are entering their 48th season and haven't won one yet. The Chargers are just sadly pathetic and will likely remain so until the end of time.

Ben

[No1BroncoFan]

The charge that the Chargers haven't been good enough to be a rival is just not based on facts.

It took the Broncos 14 years to have a winning season. It wasn't until 1973 until you acomplished that heady feat. In that time the Chargers had won 5 AFL West titles, one AFL championship, and at one point won 15 games in a row.

Since that time you have won 8 AFC West titles and we have won 8 AFC West titles. Looks like that means we have 13 and you only have 8.

I admit you got pretty good at losing in Super Bowls but as it stands right now you have 2 league titles and we have 1. By this time next year we will be tied.

And that was just crazy talk when they were trying to decide who should get booted from the AFC West, SD or Seattle. Of course it should have been Seattle but the Donkies should have gotten the boot long before the Bolts. AFL tradition is firmly rooted in the Chiefs, Chargers and Raiders.
Nope. You have no NFL titles and that is the league we play in. You have a league title in the defunct AFL, but that doesn't count (no, really, it doesn't, no matter how much you want it to).

I love it when the little Charger fans start talking about their "league" championship. You never hear Raider fans bragging about AFL titles. They've won the real thing. something the Chargers can not say.

When your team is all grown up and can actually play at the NFL level for a significant run of years we'll reconsider your petition to become our rival. Until then, get lost squirt.

Ben

[No1BroncoFan]

But lets not forget your storied franchise. Here is what is on the official NFL site about your Donkies.

The upstart AFL was the target of many jokes and jeers by the established National Football League in the early 1960s, but the Broncos were the most laughed-at of all.

Bob Howsam, a successful minor league baseball owner who built Bears Stadium in the 1940s, was awarded an AFL charter franchise on August 14, 1959. Severely limited financially, Howsam clothed his first team in used uniforms from the defunct Copper Bowl in Tucson, Ariz. Making the uniforms particularly joke-worthy were the vertically-striped socks that completed the Broncos' dress. Two years later, when Jack Faulkner took over as head coach and general manager, the socks were destroyed in a public burning ceremony.

Classic stuff.
I've moved to bold to where it truly needs to be. Ancient history. You guys have had a handfull of decent years and nothing other than that. Your "Glory Years" (back when you won that AFL title you're sooooo proud of, that doesn't even count) are even further in the past than the Raiders.

Ben

[Gcver2ver3]

Does anyone know what the other votes for "other" are?

I know 2 are for the Broncos......

But I didn't bother trying to read thru posts to see what the other two "other" votes are for...

[Jason in LA]

I agree with most of what you're saying, but to say the Broncos/Pats rivalry doesn't have history is ludicrous. The very first AFL game ever was a 13-10 victory over the Boston (now New England) Patriots. We've played each other damn near every year and on a couple occasions twice in the same year (not counting playoffs) and our overall record against them isn't quite as awe inspiring as it has been for the last 20 years or so. There are certainly some blowout memories in the series, but most aren't decided until the fourth. I most certainly consider the Pats a rival. Our greatest rivals however, will always be divisional rivals. After all, what true long-suffering Bronco fan doesn't hate the Raiders?

Ben

This will be my 20th season as a Broncos fan. Outside of the past 5 or so years, I can't really remember any big games of note. Really thinking about it, they have only met in the playoffs once over that time peroid. I don't think they were ever battling for the top seed in the AFC.

It's not much of a rivalry at all.

[maven]

My pick is the Chargers right now. Winning the division gives Denver a home game in the playoffs.

[400HZ]

Nope. You have no NFL titles and that is the league we play in. You have a league title in the defunct AFL, but that doesn't count (no, really, it doesn't, no matter how much you want it to).

I love it when the little Charger fans start talking about their "league" championship. You never hear Raider fans bragging about AFL titles. They've won the real thing. something the Chargers can not say.

When your team is all grown up and can actually play at the NFL level for a significant run of years we'll reconsider your petition to become our rival. Until then, get lost squirt.

Ben

Wow. Who cares?

[NW Bolt Fan]

I'm with Jason on this one...he expressed it well...the Pats and Colts are concerned with each other, not with the Broncos...they aren't rivals with Denver...I voted Chiefs, but only because the Raider are so terrible...I experience true pleasure when the Raiders and the Chiefs lose. There is no other rivalry.

No matter how good the Chargers were in the AFL, they are non-factors in the rivalry factor with Denver. If the Dolts get a sweep once every 25 years, they will never be a rival. I don't care if Igor Olshansky leaves a steamer in the middle of Invesco Field the Chargers are not a rivalry.

The Chargers are a boring franchise with a crappy fan base . I live in San Diego County and I could buy Charger season tickets tomorrow if I wanted to...unbelievable...even their sports radio announcers know how crappy the fan base is...they literally beg the city to come to the Broncos games so they aren't out-numbered in their own stadium (crap-hole that it is)...one would think that last year would be a fan boost, but it probably hurt, because from week 12 or so on all you heard here was "Chargers going to the Super Bowl...Super Bowl...Fa la la la la La Danian)...so all the well-tanned but un-informed and slack-jawed beach bums went out and bought a Tomlinson Jersey and bought a ticket only to watch their team choke on the business end of a Tijuana donkey show...the city was like a bunch of zombies wandering around wondering what happened...I thought we were going to the Super Bowl...I paid all that loot and gave up an afternoon of sitting in my SUV trying to fight through traffic to get to the Mall, only to watch Drayton Florence headbutt Marty Schottenheimer in the nuts???

The Chargers can't get a stadium built in their own city, so they are probably coming to Oceanside (maybe I will get those season tickets if the Chargers are going to come to me). Their owner is about in the same league as the Bidwells, they just hired Norv Turner for their coach. Hell, the most remarkable thing about the talent currently collected in San Diego is how little they have accomplished with it. But hey, the team does have 6 Hall of Famers and no rings so there is always something to be said for consistency.For living in the area you are amazingly uninformed. Silly little donk fan.

[NW Bolt Fan]

I've moved to bold to where it truly needs to be. Ancient history. You guys have had a handfull of decent years and nothing other than that. Your "Glory Years" (back when you won that AFL title you're sooooo proud of, that doesn't even count) are even further in the past than the Raiders.

Ben
Touche Elway.

[Gcver2ver3]

The Raiders are still our biggest rival. No non-AFC West team is our rival and nobody in the AFC West except for the Raiders has done **** since our SB wins. Actually, no one else except the Raiders had done **** before them either.

The Raiders aren't even considered the 2nd biggest rival according to the Mane posters so far....

[JJJ]

Charger fans are great. Once or twice every decade they get to crawl out of their favorite hiding holes and parade around thumping their chests. Then reality beats them back into hiding for another 5-10 years. Wash, rinse, repeat, ad infinitum.

We like to tease Chief and Raider fans about how long it's been since they've won a Superbowl, but the Chargers are entering their 48th season and haven't won one yet. The Chargers are just sadly pathetic and will likely remain so until the end of time.

Ben

Dude, it took you 38 years to win one. Only slightly less pathetic.

Your facts are wrong BTW. We did win a championship in our 3rd year.

Again we have 13 West titles to your 8.

Exactly when did Denver turn into a dynasty? You had a good run with Elway. The rest has been pretty much a desert.

[JJJ]

I'm with Jason on this one...he expressed it well...the Pats and Colts are concerned with each other, not with the Broncos...they aren't rivals with Denver...I voted Chiefs, but only because the Raider are so terrible...I experience true pleasure when the Raiders and the Chiefs lose. There is no other rivalry.

No matter how good the Chargers were in the AFL, they are non-factors in the rivalry factor with Denver. If the Dolts get a sweep once every 25 years, they will never be a rival. I don't care if Igor Olshansky leaves a steamer in the middle of Invesco Field the Chargers are not a rivalry.

The Chargers are a boring franchise with a crappy fan base . I live in San Diego County and I could buy Charger season tickets tomorrow if I wanted to...unbelievable...even their sports radio announcers know how crappy the fan base is...they literally beg the city to come to the Broncos games so they aren't out-numbered in their own stadium (crap-hole that it is)...one would think that last year would be a fan boost, but it probably hurt, because from week 12 or so on all you heard here was "Chargers going to the Super Bowl...Super Bowl...Fa la la la la La Danian)...so all the well-tanned but un-informed and slack-jawed beach bums went out and bought a Tomlinson Jersey and bought a ticket only to watch their team choke on the business end of a Tijuana donkey show...the city was like a bunch of zombies wandering around wondering what happened...I thought we were going to the Super Bowl...I paid all that loot and gave up an afternoon of sitting in my SUV trying to fight through traffic to get to the Mall, only to watch Drayton Florence headbutt Marty Schottenheimer in the nuts???

The Chargers can't get a stadium built in their own city, so they are probably coming to Oceanside (maybe I will get those season tickets if the Chargers are going to come to me). Their owner is about in the same league as the Bidwells, they just hired Norv Turner for their coach. Hell, the most remarkable thing about the talent currently collected in San Diego is how little they have accomplished with it. But hey, the team does have 6 Hall of Famers and no rings so there is always something to be said for consistency.

I grew up in Carlsbad and would like to officially ask you to leave the my beach immediately and go back to Colorado. 8') No stinking Donks on the beach.

[No1BroncoFan]

Dude, it took you 38 years to win one. Only slightly less pathetic.

Your facts are wrong BTW. We did win a championship in our 3rd year.

Again we have 13 West titles to your 8.

Exactly when did Denver turn into a dynasty? You had a good run with Elway. The rest has been pretty much a desert.
No, you do not have an NFL title. Look it up junior. That AFL title you Bolt fans are so proud of doesn't even count.

Ben

[400HZ]

No, you do not have an NFL title. Look it up junior. That AFL title you Bolt fans are so proud of doesn't even count.

Ben

You are obviously jealous that the Broncos will never win an AFL title.

:clown: :clown: :clown:

[JJJ]

No, you do not have an NFL title. Look it up junior. That AFL title you Bolt fans are so proud of doesn't even count.

Ben

Uhhh, so you are basically counting years we couldn't have ever possibly won an NFL title because we didn't play in that league in your 48 years. Brilliant. Altitude must be affecting your reasoning abilities.

So we are 41 years without an NFL title and it took you 38 to win one in either league.

And for those who think the Chiefs are all that it has been 37 years since they have won an NFL title.

The guy earlier was right, we are all a bunch of big game chokers in the AFCW.

Nuf on this subject for me though. Been fun.

[No1BroncoFan]

You are obviously jealous that the Broncos will never win an AFL title.

:clown: :clown: :clown:
Yeah. That's it! ::) We've got two real titles to your one title from a defunct league. I'll take our two to your none, thanks. ;D

Ben

[No1BroncoFan]

Uhhh, so you are basically counting years we couldn't have ever possibly won an NFL title because we didn't play in that league in your 48 years. Brilliant. Altitude must be affecting your reasoning abilities.
Why is this reasoning so hard for you to figure out? The Chargers don't play in the AFL. Therefore an AFL title doesn't count.

So we are 41 years without an NFL title and it took you 38 to win one in either league.
Sure, it took us a while to win one. So, what's your point? At least we've won an NFL title.

And for those who think the Chiefs are all that it has been 37 years since they have won an NFL title.
No-one around here, with the exception of a few homer Chief trolls, think the Chiefs are anything better than mediocre.

The guy earlier was right, we are all a bunch of big game chokers in the AFCW.

Nuf on this subject for me though. Been fun.
Speak for yourself there Sparky. We've won 6 AFC Championships and two Superbowls (you know, those NFL championships you so desperatly want to pretend the AFL championship is equivalent to). We may have lost some big games, but chokers isn't a lable you can attach to a two time NFL champion franchiese.

Since you've won an AFL title, I guess you could claim two AFC titles. After all, that what the AFL championship became...

Ben

[JJJ]

Why is this reasoning so hard for you to figure out? The Chargers don't play in the AFL. Therefore an AFL title doesn't count.

Ben

Are you a complete buffoon? If you an AFL title doesn't count then you also can't count the years they played in the AFL where there was no Super Bowl. Good lord.

The Patriots took 35 years to win a SB. 42 years by your faulty logic.

[Inkana7]

His logic is quite sound. It's your "Yeah?! Well, well, we won an AFL Title, so HA!" logic that's faulty.

[JJJ]

His logic is quite sound. It's your "Yeah?! Well, well, we won an AFL Title, so HA!" logic that's faulty.

We have played in the same division for 48 years. Head to head every year for almost 50 years. Sorry you can't discount the years where you totally sucked in the 60's. You can only win what you are allowed to play in.

We have won 13 division titles and 1 overall title.
You have won 8 division titles and 2 overal titles.

Congrats on your championships.

[Bronco Bible]

You are obviously jealous that the Broncos will never win an AFL title.

:clown: :clown: :clown:

Just so that I am up to date just how many team were in the League your Chargers were champions of?:bandwagon