churches shut down by muslims

[yavoon]

in france.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/06/islamic_pressure_in_paris_forc.php

"According to Thabot, the Muslims changed their strategy. "They attacked our owner this time," she explains. "They took up the case and [told him he was] not allowed to have this church open -- and on Friday we [were told] that we had to get out of our premises."

Thabot says Temple de Paris Church has been unable to secure another worship center. "For an evangelical or Protestant church, it is almost next to impossible to buy or to rent any premises," she says. "As soon as they find out you are a church, there is nothing open to us."

Thabot says many churches in the area have been closed and have had similar difficulties in securing new facilities. But she claims Muslims can secure property for building a mosque simply by paying one euro to the authorities."

[defenseman]

And they aren't a threat? Standby by for more of the same..dman

[Garcia Bronco]

France...you really have let your country get away from you. Congratulations.

[epicSocialism4tw]

France is in serious trouble. You can see a civil war just a little bit down the road in their future.

This is exactly why the illegal immigration issue and the borders have to be addressed successfully right now in America.

[Bob]

Based on birth rates alone, Fance (as it stands now) will no longer exsist in 25 years.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Based on birth rates alone, Fance (as it stands now) will no longer exsist in 25 years.
So what's the down side?

[Garcia Bronco]

France is in serious trouble. You can see a civil war just a little bit down the road in their future.

This is exactly why the illegal immigration issue and the borders have to be addressed successfully right now in America.

On the money. In fact...I'd say we're already there or damn close.

[epicSocialism4tw]

On the money. In fact...I'd say we're already there or damn close.

Our folks here in America are so naive.

[defenseman]

Our folks here in America are so naive.

That truly is the bottom line on citizens here, naive as hell...dman

[Bronco_Beerslug]

That truly is the bottom line on citizens here, naive as hell...dmanWhat, are you now believing the media's version of this event as gospel when they don't have any idea what is really happening out there?

When did you change your mind or is it just the media in Iraq that doesn't get it right?

[ant1999e]

What, are you now believing the media's version of this event as gospel when they don't have any idea what is really happening out there?

When did you change your mind or is it just the media in Iraq that doesn't get it right?

Do you go into every thread looking to argue? What is your problem?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Do you go into every thread looking to argue? What is your problem?

That is the same guy that stalked another member of the site.

I've had his sniveling little stalker butt on ignore for a long time. I would recommend that others do the same. Or at least, avoid quoting him for the rest of us.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Do you go into every thread looking to argue? What is your problem?If you don't know what the conversation is about butt out Nancy.
That is the same guy that stalked another member of the site.
I've had his sniveling little stalker butt on ignore for a long time. I would recommend that others do the same. Or at least, avoid quoting him for the rest of us.The board's biggest hypocrite chimes in with his usual bull****. If you can't take responsibility for your comments I suggest you take your Dirk man love to a more appropriate and responsive board (http://www.indegayforum.org/news/show/26718.html).

[ant1999e]

That is the same guy that stalked another member of the site.

I've had his sniveling little stalker butt on ignore for a long time. I would recommend that others do the same. Or at least, avoid quoting him for the rest of us.

My apologies.

[BroncoBuff]

France is in serious trouble. You can see a civil war just a little bit down the road in their future.

This is exactly why the illegal immigration issue and the borders have to be addressed successfully right now in America.
You're right ... I shake my head in disgust at the whole idea of this.

But there's a big difference in our problem and Europe's problems ... NATIVE BIRTH RATE, and support for the coming boom of retirees there.* (see next post)

The birthrates of Western Europe's endemic populations (read that: white Judeo/Christians) has been negative for 30+ years. France and other countries there are relying heavily on immigration to finance the retirement benefits and needs of the coming boom of post-war birth retirees. The negative birth-rates since the last 60s leave them no choice but to relax immigration requirements ... and Muslims form 2nd/3rd world countries have been quick to take advantage of those lax policies. Problem is, they have no designs on assimilation, and DO have designs on violence, as in the native Brit Muslims who bombed the tube last year.

We have it a bit easier in the U.S., in that the swamping Mexican immigration/invasion, albeit speaking a separate language, at least worships the same God - by that I mean they are Judeo/Christian and have no designs on terrorist activities. I guess we can 'count our blessings' in that regard.

[BroncoBuff]

* This is important re: the current Immigration bill that the Chimp-in-Chief is clinging to.

While the United States does not have quite the endemic negative birth-rate of Western Europe, we do have a coming baby-boom retirement bubble, starting in about 5 years and lasting 10 years or so. THE POLITICIANS CANNOT TELL YOU THIS, BUT … the Immigration bill addresses this problem in a way that they cannot say out loud. I’ve only heard it spoken in two places - George Will mentioned it on ‘This Week,’ and an immigration advocate from San Francisco mentioned it on MSNBC.
1) Yes, it is a quasi-amnesty for ‘guest workers,’ etc. If you haven’t committed a crime, you can probably just stay put legally. Thay can if they choose then go for citizenship status.
2) BUT, the barriers of entry to actual citizenship are enormous. Applicants must return to country of origin, confirm identification, birth certificate, and criminal history, then pay between $5000 and $8000, learn the English language, pass the citizenship test, and finally then – after about 8-13 years, become a citizen.

Clearly, very few - if any - Mexican nationals will go these grueling extra miles to obtain citizenship, but will instead simply stay as legal ‘guest workers.’ What that means is that they can and will – in fact they must - pay INTO the Social Security Trust Fund. But without citizenship, they CANNOT receive benefits from Social Security. SO, these guest workers will fortify the Social Security Trust Fund without being entitled to any benefits. Pretty sneaky, eh? And you can see why nobody can say anything about it.



Another Example of Such Government Secrecy
This reminds me of the Iraqi war. I believe the real reason for the war (behind all the B.S.), is that it is an OIL WAR. Lots of people believe that of course, but I think it might be another example of something the politicians cannot say out loud, but all know it. All the B.S. Pelosi and the rest talk about the war, but we’re still there 5 years later, and nobody has made any kind of serious waves about it … now why is that? Oh sure, Feingold in the Senate and Kucinich in the House have introduced legislation, etc … but isn’t it funny how nobody pays any real attention to them? I think Congress knows that our economy is absolutely reliant on cheap oil - utterly at the mercy of free-flowing black gold .… and that the Chinese and India have their eyes on oil futures. We had to secure Iraq (2nd most oil on Earth), or else our national economy could suffer immeasurably in the coming decades.

I know this sounds conspiratorial – perhaps unnecessarily so – but does any of this ring a bell with anybody? If Congress REALLY wanted us out of Iraq, it couldda done it – easily. I’ll be watching closely in September … if it happens again, if the war is funded again, I’ll sink deeper into my conspiratorial morass here.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You're right ... I shake my head in disgust at the whole idea of this.
We have it a bit easier in the U.S., in that the swamping Mexican immigration/invasion, albeit speaking a separate language, at least worships the same God - by that I mean they are Judeo/Christian and have no designs on terrorist activities. I guess we can 'count our blessings' in that regard.

Secular Humanists should fear the inevitable citizenship of the Mexican masses. They are predominantly Catholic and will be predominantly social conservatives and religious activists. A very large group of Christians who are more socially conservative than American Christians are making their way here. They are also very much influenced by the vatican.

At the same time, we dont have to fear them as terrorists, but we do have to fear their lack of assimilation and their wide cultural separation. The separatist movement is a real threat. Many of them see Americans as godless people who do not value family. If that is their opinion, and they have a large voter base concentrated in former Mexican territories, expect to hear the separation theme repeated for awhile.

[ant1999e]

If you don't know what the conversation is about butt out Nancy.

Look slug, I'm just a little worried about you. I'm sure you have high blood pressure with all the built up anger you have. :gus: You need to meditate. It will make you feel alot better. :peace:
We should have an anger management counseling thread here on the mane. I bet our conversations would be alot more productive.:alky:

[Bob]

So what's the down side?
Hilarious!

[DBruleU]

Look slug, I'm just a little worried about you. I'm sure you have high blood pressure with all the built up anger you have. :gus: You need to meditate. It will make you feel alot better. :peace:
We should have an anger management counseling thread here on the mane. I bet our conversations would be alot more productive.:alky:

I'd be unhappy too if I lived my life being as cynical as possible, and ratting people out that I only know on a message board.

[Bob]

You're right ... I shake my head in disgust at the whole idea of this.

But there's a big difference in our problem and Europe's problems ... NATIVE BIRTH RATE, and support for the coming boom of retirees there.* (see next post)

The birthrates of Western Europe's endemic populations (read that: white Judeo/Christians) has been negative for 30+ years. France and other countries there are relying heavily on immigration to finance the retirement benefits and needs of the coming boom of post-war birth retirees. The negative birth-rates since the last 60s leave them no choice but to relax immigration requirements ... and Muslims form 2nd/3rd world countries have been quick to take advantage of those lax policies. Problem is, they have no designs on assimilation, and DO have designs on violence, as in the native Brit Muslims who bombed the tube last year.

We have it a bit easier in the U.S., in that the swamping Mexican immigration/invasion, albeit speaking a separate language, at least worships the same God - by that I mean they are Judeo/Christian and have no designs on terrorist activities. I guess we can 'count our blessings' in that regard.

Read the book "America Alone" it deals with birth rates accross the world -- current rates, not projectsions, and the future will look very different, and may blind-side many in Europe. I wish I hadn't taken the book home from worker yesterday, but I know that Spain is sitting at 1.1 per rate per couple. That will not support the aging population and various "programs" but their Muslim neiebores have birth rates much higher. If the Islamic folks in those countries could accept a "live and let live approach" that would be one thing, but they do not.

[Rigs11]

What, are you now believing the media's version of this event as gospel when they don't have any idea what is really happening out there?

When did you change your mind or is it just the media in Iraq that doesn't get it right?

Damn liberal mediaROFL!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I'd be unhappy too if I lived my life being as cynical as possible, and ratting people out that I only know on a message board.Ah, did the lord find you some time to post here again?
Damn liberal mediaROFL!Yeah the dman like the Mad Yak are pretty much hypocrites evidenced by their posts in a regular fashion.
Look slug, I'm just a little worried about you. I'm sure you have high blood pressure with all the built up anger you have. :gus: You need to meditate. It will make you feel alot better. :peace: We should have an anger management counseling thread here on the mane. I bet our conversations would be alot more productive.:alky:You misunderstand my posts. Emotion rarely if ever enters them. But I love calling out the BS when I see it (angry drama queen, dman, etc...)

It's real simple, if you can't handle the sh*t back in your face don't spew in the first place.

[BroncoBuff]

Read the book "America Alone" it deals with birth rates accross the world -- current rates, not projectsions, and the future will look very different, and may blind-side many in Europe. I wish I hadn't taken the book home from worker yesterday, but I know that Spain is sitting at 1.1 per rate per couple. That will not support the aging population and various "programs" but their Muslim neiebores have birth rates much higher. If the Islamic folks in those countries could accept a "live and let live approach" that would be one thing, but they do not.

Exactly ... they don't assimilate, and they don't 'live and let live.'

[DBruleU]

Ah, did the lord find you some time to post here again?

Yup, and apparently, He's given you too much time.

[bendog]

I think it's about unanimous that the borders need to be dealt with. It's just that the "how to do it" issue splits BOTH parties apart, so it's about impossible, esp when the "anti amnesty" minority is so vocal.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I think it's about unanimous that the borders need to be dealt with. It's just that the "how to do it" issue splits BOTH parties apart, so it's about impossible, esp when the "anti amnesty" minority is so vocal.

I dont think that its a minority. It is the majority opinion of both Dems and repubs as far as I know.

People dont want to just give them a free pass after all that they have already taken.

[bendog]

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewItem&itemID=16217
It's a minority view, but vocal

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewItem&itemID=16217
It's a minority view, but vocal

What you are referring to in that poll is the desire for people to round them all up and ship them back home, which for all intents and purposes has been off of the table from the beginning.

I cannot think of anyone I know with half a brain that thinks we should allow a huge influx of uneducated, unskilled, unpatriotic migrants without taking any practical steps to naturalize them. That is my understanding of what amnesty is in the terms that Bush has been trying to push.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Yup, and apparently, He's given you too much time.You think she has? I wouldn't know why since I don't believe in fairy tales, rumor and religious legend. And I'd never believe in anything that proclaims you have accept and believe in it or "you will go to hell".