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bronco militia

06-21-2007, 09:59 AM

from pft.com and kansascity.com...

POSTED 7:38 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 8:03 a.m. EDT, June 21, 2007

L.J. PREPARING FOR HOLDOUT

Chiefs running back Larry Johnson tells Jason Whitlock of the Kansas City Star that Johnson might be forced to hold out if he doesn't get a new contract by the start of training camp.

"I'm prepared," Johnson told Whitlock. "They [my agent and father] got me saving money. I'm hustling to get more money to put in the bank. They already started setting aside different accounts, if that would have to happen. They're already telling me to be cautious about how I spend, where I go and stuff like that. To make sure that if it goes down like that, then I've got to be able to pace myself so I won't be in trouble."

Johnson said he believes that Chiefs president Carl Peterson is going to "test" him in connection with contract negotiations that could turn contentious quickly -- especially in light of the fact that the Chiefs were making it known earlier this year that Johnson was available via trade.

Johnson's agent, Alvin Keels, attended the interview, and added a few thoughts. Including this one: "The point I'd like to get out," Keels said, "is that if we were to have to hold out, it would be for the sake of good business, not being greedy. I think the picture that is being painted right now in the eyes of the fans is that we're coming into this negotiation being greedy. It's not good business for a player who rushes the ball 416 times in a season, back-to-back Pro Bowl seasons, back-to-back 1,700-yard seasons, back-to-back broken Kansas City Chiefs records, it's not good business for him to come back in and play for $1.7 million. And that's a sensitive area because $1.7 million is a lot more than most people in Kansas City make."

But the real question, as we see it, is whether Johnson is a truly great runner, who will get his yards even with shoddy blocking, or whether his production is the result of the strong offensive lines that the team has enjoyed over the past few years. (But no more.)

Indeed, the retirement of Willie Roaf in 2006 might have directly contributed to that 0.9 yard-per-carry dropoff last season. And with Will Shields now out of the picture, too, there could be another slip in 2007.

And that could be why the Chiefs want to see what Johnson can do with an even weaker wall of blocking before paying him a bunch of money.

Still, we see Johnson's side of it. "If they really want it to hit home, look at Earl Campbell," Johnson said. "He's not complaining, but he can barely walk. He's sitting in wheelchairs. He can't sit at banquets for a long amount of time before he has to leave. It's sad to have to watch him go through what he has to go through. You look at me; I don’t want to be like that. But I may end up like him. Who knows? I have to be able to plan for that, plan for my kids. I don't know if I'm going to be running back and forth taking my kids to soccer practice."

So why should he take another 400-carry punishment in 2007 for only $1.7 million? Though it would have been nice if he had considered this before, you know, signing his contract, the fact that he could be carrying the entire offense on his back this season suggests to us that, in all fairness, an adjustment is necessary.

Thus, our gut feeling on this one is that it could very well be another Deion Branch situation, with a lengthy holdout followed by a trade.

If, that is, there's someone who wants him bad enough to both pay the player and pay his team. If, after all, King Carl demanded a fourth-round pick for a quarterback he no longer needed, Peterson might ask for a Ricky Williams package when it comes to a running back he no longer wants.

whitlocks article:
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/158912.html

SouthStndJunkie

06-21-2007, 10:02 AM

Tough situation. I can see the points from both sides.

Much like the Portis situation we had.

My opinion: trade him and get what you can like Denver did with CP.

LJ is a guy that will be an incredible distraction if he is pissed off.

He wants franchise money and I don't think KC is willing to give it to him. Denver was willing to give CP a raise, but he wanted franchise money.

Hotrod

06-21-2007, 10:04 AM

Welcome to the celler KC Ha!

Beantown Bronco

06-21-2007, 10:05 AM

Classic.....what you won't hear out of LJ or his agent is how much of that first round money he collected after his rookie year, when he only carried the ball 20 times; or after his second season, when he only carries the ball 120 times.

You don't see them giving any of that money back, now do you?

Man-Goblin

06-21-2007, 10:06 AM

"Still, we see Johnson's side of it. 'If they really want it to hit home, look at Earl Campbell," Johnson said. "He's not complaining, but he can barely walk. He's sitting in wheelchairs.'"

The old "I'm going to be in a wheelchair soon so give me a long-term, high-dollar, franchise-crippling contract" defense. Good one, LJ.

I hope they give it to him.

Hotrod

06-21-2007, 10:08 AM

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bronco militia

06-21-2007, 10:08 AM

FYI:

MORE WITH L.J.
Jason Whitlock will share more excerpts from his conversation with Larry Johnson in another question-and-answer format on Friday. Jason will offer his opinion in Sunday’s section.

bronco militia

06-21-2007, 10:09 AM

http://www.jwodcatalog.com/imgLg/7920002922368.jpg

Ha!

Garcia Bronco

06-21-2007, 10:15 AM

IMO we can never be Super Bowl contenders again until our team goes in Arrowhead and kicks their ass.

Dukes

06-21-2007, 10:40 AM

400HZ

06-21-2007, 10:48 AM

If they paid Gonzalez's old ass, they will probably pay LJ too.

crowebomber

06-21-2007, 10:54 AM

I see it as a win/win for Denver. If LJ gets his way and gets franchise money, great, less money for them to sign other good players. If LJ walks, great, we don't have to deal with his punk ass any longer. Lets just hope he gets traded to the NFC.

That's exactly how I see it. And if they have to trade him, I doubt you're going to see another Champ type trade. At this late point before training camp starts they'll have to unload him for just a solid starter and future draft pick(s).

Either way it sounds like their front office is a mess over there with the whole Green situation dragging out most of the offseason and then when that finally gets resolved they have this.

ZONA

06-21-2007, 11:00 AM

IMO we can never be Super Bowl contenders again until our team goes in Arrowhead and kicks their ass.

Don't fret - it will be so...................so upsetting to them when we crush their pathetic asses into the hard KC turf. We're not just gonna win in KC this year, it will be an ass whomping job by us, just watch. I'm calling it now 27-12 Broncos win.

Ron Mexico

06-21-2007, 11:05 AM

from pft.com and kansascity.com...
"I'm prepared," Johnson told Whitlock. "They [my agent and father] got me saving money. I'm hustling to get more money to put in the bank. They already started setting aside different accounts, if that would have to happen. They're already telling me to be cautious about how I spend, where I go and stuff like that. To make sure that if it goes down like that, then I've got to be able to pace myself so I won't be in trouble."

Are you kidding me? Most of could live for a year on his pocket change and he has to budget spending to have enough money to get through his holdout? Please tell me he does something for charity before I get completely sick...

Atlas

06-21-2007, 11:15 AM

LJ is a great RB. The chiefs need to pay him.

SoDak Bronco

06-21-2007, 11:30 AM

He's probably holding out for a darker coach..

brncs_fan

06-21-2007, 11:37 AM

Pay him. I don't want any excuses from the Chief faithful this year when we go in to camarohead and knock their asses into the dirt.

azbroncfan

06-21-2007, 11:38 AM

He knows there will be no SB in KC so he wants to get something out of playing there so he wants to get paid. Can't blame him hope he gets a 7 year 80 mil deal with 40 guaranteed.

bronco militia

06-21-2007, 11:38 AM

Pay him. I don't want any excuses from the Chief faithful this year when we go in to camarohead and knock their asses into the dirt.

what makes you think that would stop the excuses? ;D

broncosteven

06-21-2007, 11:45 AM

Are Dee Brown or Q still available?

KFC better sign one to tote the rock for them this year!
LOL

dbfan4life

06-21-2007, 11:54 AM

Why woud a team want to see their star player get the **** beaten out of him for another year before they decide to pay him? What running back on earth can be productive behind a shoddy o-line? That's just stupid.

Los Broncos

06-21-2007, 12:02 PM

Feels good to see KC in trouble and our team doing so well in the off season. i see where hes coming from, he wants something out of the deal if hes going to be in a wheelchair after they run him a thousand times.

Los Broncos

06-21-2007, 12:03 PM

I know hes a distraction, but would anyone on this board want him in Denver?

Hotrod

06-21-2007, 12:06 PM

I know hes a distraction, but would anyone on this board want him in Denver?

I cant even imagine that Shanny could relate to him

Crushaholic

06-21-2007, 12:07 PM

Los Broncos

06-21-2007, 12:08 PM

I cant even imagine that Shanny could relate to him

Oh yeah, i forgot hes not black.

Los Broncos

06-21-2007, 12:09 PM

Plus, they'll be relying on him even more if they start Brodie Croyle...

Im waiting for the KC trolls to chime in here, i got my popcorn.

DomCasual

06-21-2007, 12:12 PM

I can see Carl Peterson's point with not wanting to pay him more. I can't believe I would every admit to agreeing with Carl Peterson - but in this case, it seems pretty clear. It may not be something Larry Johnson likes, but it is what it is.

If Carl Peterson gives him a big contract with a big signing bonus, the Chiefs might not have the money to pay for Larry Johnson's microfracture surgery.

Hotrod

06-21-2007, 12:12 PM

Im waiting for the KC trolls to chime in here, i got my popcorn.

Thats what I've been waiting for.

Im sure we will get the whole "nothing to worry about" "King Carl knows what hes doing" or the best one im sure will be "we will prolly trade him for someones next 20 1st round picks and their starting QB" Ha!

Los Broncos

06-21-2007, 12:14 PM

Thats what I've been waiting for.

Im sure we will get the whole "nothing to worry about" "King Carl knows what hes doing" or the best one im sure will be "we will prolly trade him for someones next 20 1st round picks and their starting QB" Ha!

How about they just admit it and say "we suck" and denver is going to kill us.

Tredici

06-21-2007, 01:06 PM

C'mon LJ. Carl pay you chump change? Sheeeaatttt. Don't matter.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-21-2007, 01:11 PM

Still not happening. This is all part of the negotiations, which ARE making progress, which means 80 mil ain't happening.

tsiguy96

06-21-2007, 01:17 PM

Still not happening. This is all part of the negotiations, which ARE making progress, which means 80 mil ain't happening.

for all those that have him blocked :D

-Slap-

06-21-2007, 01:27 PM

Still, we see Johnson's side of it. "If they really want it to hit home, look at Earl Campbell," Johnson said. "He's not complaining, but he can barely walk. He's sitting in wheelchairs. He can't sit at banquets for a long amount of time before he has to leave. It's sad to have to watch him go through what he has to go through. You look at me; I don’t want to be like that. But I may end up like him. Who knows? I have to be able to plan for that, plan for my kids. I don't know if I'm going to be running back and forth taking my kids to soccer practice."

Fame has a price, jerkoff. Go make millions of dollars some other way if you don't want to assume the risks inherent in your current career choice.

boltaneer

06-21-2007, 01:40 PM

Imagine how pathetic their offense will be without LJ carrying that offense and with Croyle starting. ;D

As much as I hate to defend LJ, in the NFL world, he is being paid below market value and the Chiefs need to pay him accordingly.

Florida_Bronco

06-21-2007, 01:51 PM

for all those that have him blocked :D

Bob was the same guy swearing up and down that KC was not trying to trade LJ, while I had an inside source that even told me what teams they were dealing with and was verified by news reports a few days after.

Imagine that, a 20 year old Bronco fan with a better inside to the Chiefs than the 2nd in command of War Paint Illustrated.

I bet that really chaps his ass.

broncosteven

06-21-2007, 03:21 PM

the 2nd in command of War Paint Illustrated.[/I]

I bet that really chaps his ass.

I bet War Paint Ill has lots of pictures of men in Chaps on the cover.

skpac1001

06-21-2007, 03:22 PM

He's probably holding out for a darker coach..

Darn it! I had a "he needs a black GM" joke ready to go...

bfoflcommish

06-21-2007, 03:22 PM

for all those that have him blocked :D

most have him blocked for a reason

bronco militia

06-21-2007, 03:40 PM

uh oh........LJ better get his ass to camp ;D

Quarterback J.T. O’Sullivan (Chicago Bears) of the Frankfurt Galaxy and running back Derrick Ross (Kansas City Chiefs) of the Cologne Centurions were named the Offensive Co-Most Valuable Players while Centurions defensive end Jason Hall (Carolina Panthers) was named the Defensive MVP, the NFL Europa League announced today.

http://www.nfleurope.com/news/story/10232806

Flex Gunmetal

06-21-2007, 03:41 PM

Although I hate to defend him, I do agree he should command top dollar.
Cheaps is Cheaps.

OrangeShadow

06-21-2007, 03:49 PM

id be thrilled to see him dealt out of the division. hes a sacry talented back.

Jana®

06-21-2007, 03:56 PM

Bronco_Beerslug

06-21-2007, 04:11 PM

And that trade paid off BIG for us! :egbgb:Paid off big for Portis too, set him up for life. Unfortunately for KC there are no more Champ Baileys out there to be had for a disgruntled RB.

Los Broncos

06-21-2007, 04:16 PM

But Washington still got the better end of the deal :rofl:

azbroncfan

06-21-2007, 04:18 PM

Still not happening. This is all part of the negotiations, which ARE making progress, which means 80 mil ain't happening.

and how would you know? What you said above is assumptions.

DomCasual

06-21-2007, 04:47 PM

Paid off big for Portis too, set him up for life. Unfortunately for KC there are no more Champ Baileys out there to be had for a disgruntled RB.

Not to mention the fact that nobody in the Chefs organization is smart or creative enough to pull off such a trade.

Florida_Bronco

06-21-2007, 04:53 PM

and how would you know? What you said above is assumptions.

But, but...he's a sportswriter!! Hilarious!

Bob's your Information Minister

06-21-2007, 05:01 PM

and how would you know? What you said above is assumptions.

I'm not assuming anything.

DenverBrit

06-21-2007, 05:35 PM

I'm not assuming any position that involves my ankles.....again..

Yeah, right.

Inkana7

06-21-2007, 05:47 PM

Nice defelection bob. So you're now a Chiefs insider?

Bob's your Information Minister

06-21-2007, 05:55 PM

Nice defelection bob. So you're now a Chiefs insider?

I receive information from someone close to someone inside Arrowhead. In fact, I penned an article about the latest developments last week, but naturally it's premium.

24champ

06-21-2007, 05:56 PM

I receive information from someone close to someone inside Arrowhead. In fact, I penned an article about the latest developments last week, but naturally it's premium.

naturally its BS Bob.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-21-2007, 05:59 PM

naturally its BS Bob.

It's not BS. They were very on target with the information concerning free agent signings and the upcoming trades that KC made this offseason.

DenverBrit

06-21-2007, 06:00 PM

I receive information from someone close to someone, who knows someone who's brother is someone in the industry.....the paperboy. In fact, I penned an article about the latest rumors I created last week, but naturally it's worthless.

Par for the course.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-21-2007, 06:03 PM

DenverBrit...do you want to get married?

400HZ

06-21-2007, 06:04 PM

It sounds like Bob's entire existence is one long cry for help.

24champ

06-21-2007, 06:12 PM

It's not BS. They were very on target with the information concerning free agent signings and the upcoming trades that KC made this offseason.

Funny it just occurred to me that being a queef fan that you have to pay for "insider info" and as a Bronco fan you get your inside info for free here.:giggle:

Bob's your Information Minister

06-21-2007, 06:14 PM

Funny it just occurred to me that being a queef fan that you have to pay for "insider info" and as a Bronco fan you get your inside info for free here.:giggle:

Yeah, but who would want to be a Broncos fan? There's the catch my friend. Nothing in this life is free. Ugh!

DenverBrit

06-21-2007, 06:18 PM

DenverBrit...do you want to get married?

I've seen your pic.

Hotrod

06-21-2007, 06:20 PM

I've seen your pic.

Are you saying your not big on the pillsbury doughboy look ROFL!

Kaylore

06-21-2007, 07:42 PM

Bob's your Information Minister

06-21-2007, 07:52 PM

The guy has maybe one average season in him before his knees shatter into a thousand pieces...probably less.

It's obvious you are scared to death of the guy. One average season...now that's comical.

LJ will outrush every Bronco runner this year...COMBINED.

Killericon

06-21-2007, 08:03 PM

This is the furthest back on his heels I've ever seen Bob. Claiming one guy will outrush the entire Broncos team combined...Wow. This news must've devastated him.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-21-2007, 08:06 PM

This is the furthest back on his heels I've ever seen Bob. Claiming one guy will outrush the entire Broncos team combined...Wow. This news must've devastated him.

That's funny. I know the truth - a deal WILL get done.

bronco610

06-21-2007, 08:08 PM

I like the part about being painful to be a Broncos fan. We all know boob is a closet fan. Besides how many SB have the Broncos been to? And how many and how long ago has it been for the chiefs? Nice try boob. How can any chief fan say it is painful to be a Bronco fan? Oh, thats right we are talking boob here!!!

Pendejo

06-21-2007, 08:17 PM

It's obvious you are scared to death of the guy. One average season...now that's comical.

LJ will outrush every Bronco runner this year...COMBINED.

Wanna bet?

Whoops...forgot who I was e-talking to.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-21-2007, 08:22 PM

How can any chief fan say it is painful to be a Bronco fan?

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5605/jakejc5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Atlas

06-21-2007, 08:28 PM

This is excellent news. Pray that they pay him a lot of money - hopefully over a something like a seven year period! The guy has maybe one average season in him before his knees shatter into a thousand pieces...probably less.

If the Chefs were smart they would make LGJ the highest paid RB in the NFL (he has earned it) but limit him to a 3 year contract. Tell him "We'll give you a 3 year $27 million contract with a $13 milion signing bonus but we're only going to pay that price for your prime years."

Florida_Bronco

06-21-2007, 08:32 PM

This is the furthest back on his heels I've ever seen Bob. Claiming one guy will outrush the entire Broncos team combined...Wow. This news must've devastated him.

He was pretty bad when it was obvious that the Chiefs were trying to get rid of LJ.

bronco610

06-21-2007, 08:34 PM

Hey boob, plummer got us to the AFC title game, when was the last time the chiefs could say that about their qb?

Atlas

06-21-2007, 08:45 PM

Hey boob, plummer got us to the AFC title game, when was the last time the chiefs could say that about their qb?

Montana 1993 Hilarious!

bronco610

06-21-2007, 08:49 PM

Montana 1993 Hilarious!

The chefs just wish they had the NFL franchise the Broncos have!!!!!!

400HZ

06-21-2007, 08:50 PM

If the Chefs were smart they would make LGJ the highest paid RB in the NFL (he has earned it) but limit him to a 3 year contract. Tell him "We'll give you a 3 year $27 million contract with a $13 milion signing bonus but we're only going to pay that price for your prime years."

His agent would be a fool to agree to that. A player of Johnson's caliber is going to get a 6 year deal somewhere. It sounds like Johnson is aware of it too when you hear him talk about Earl Campbell. He's headed down that same road and he'd be an idiot not to secure himself for life while he can. I don't care for LJ at all, but I'd be doing the same thing in his shoes. Six years, $55 million, $20 million up front. Whoever wants to pay it.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-21-2007, 08:56 PM

Six years, $55 million, $20 million up front. Whoever wants to pay it.

I'm predicting that's the kind of deal he gets.

dark_hawk

06-21-2007, 09:11 PM

kind of doubting that kc will be the one that gives it to him

24champ

06-21-2007, 09:12 PM

I'm predicting that's the kind of deal he gets.

I thought you said you KNEW what was going to happen and now your predicting bob?LOL

DenverBrit

06-21-2007, 09:22 PM

Are you saying your not big on the pillsbury doughboy look ROFL!

More like the Michelin man. :clown:

boltaneer

06-21-2007, 09:34 PM

I'm predicting that's the kind of deal he gets.

I think he's going to want a better deal than that. I'm pretty sure he'd laugh at that offer.

crazyhorse

06-21-2007, 09:43 PM

The chefs just wish they had the NFL franchise the Broncos have!!!!!!

3rd in the West?

dumpy

06-21-2007, 09:47 PM

3rd in the West?

Nah, double the superbowl trophies.

crazyhorse

06-21-2007, 09:48 PM

Nah, double the superbowl trophies.

Still milking those years, huh?

I understand.

dumpy

06-21-2007, 09:50 PM

Still milking those years, huh?

I understand.

You should know mister > 30

theAPAOps5

06-21-2007, 09:51 PM

Still milking those years, huh?

I understand.

Hows that backing into the playoffs feeling Crazyhead? Same record but your stars aligned and you backed in. Man it must feel great!

And how can you understand we are 10 years removed from the Superbowl. You guys well we all know the history of the Chiefs.

Kaylore

06-21-2007, 10:08 PM

The Broncos were superior to the Chiefs last year. I have proof.

I think everyone will agree that AFC > NFC

Records against AFC opponents

Chargers: 10-2
KC: 5-7
Denver: 8-4
Oakland: 1-11 ROFL!

If you can't get a winning record in your own conference, then you suck. The Chiefs beat up on loser NFC teams (and usually when they were missing their star players like the Seahags.)

The Broncos were superior to the Chiefs last year, but their harder record did them in. That the Chiefs are even proud of backing into the playoffs speaks volumes about what type of fan base they have. ROFL!

theAPAOps5

06-21-2007, 10:12 PM

Great point Kaylor, they had to beat up on inferior teams and still could only manage to BACK into the playoffs. Pretty pathetic, and even more pathetic is their pride about it.

crazyhorse

06-21-2007, 10:12 PM

Hows that backing into the playoffs feeling Crazyhead? Same record but your stars aligned and you backed in. Man it must feel great!

And how can you understand we are 10 years removed from the Superbowl. You guys well we all know the history of the Chiefs.

Gee whiz, I could sure go for a peanut butter and nanner sandwich.

theAPAOps5

06-21-2007, 10:13 PM

Gee whiz, I could sure go for a peanut butter and nanner sandwich.

Truth hurts huh crazyhead. Off topic, how is the car coming along?

Bob's your Information Minister

06-21-2007, 10:14 PM

Hows that backing into the playoffs feeling Crazyhead? Same record but your stars aligned and you backed in. Man it must feel great!
.

How does backing OUT of the playoffs feel? Same record but Joe Nedney ****ed your **** up. Man it must feel great!

crazyhorse

06-21-2007, 10:14 PM

Bob's your Information Minister

06-21-2007, 10:15 PM

The Broncos were superior to the Chiefs last year.

Yeah...it really showed when they met at Arrowhead.

Or when the 49ers punked you in your own house.

crazyhorse

06-21-2007, 10:17 PM

Truth hurts huh crazyhead. Off topic, how is the car coming along?

Excellent. The driveline and all the electrical should be done this weekend. Brakes are next. I will be replacing the old drum brakes with 4 wheel disc.

The truth seldom hurts. But there are those few situations where it does.

This isn't one of them.

Odysseus

06-21-2007, 10:20 PM

IMO we can never be Super Bowl contenders again until our team goes in Arrowhead and kicks their ass.

Right now if LJ holds out and we whip their butts it's a hollow victory. We should have beat them last year or the year before.

LJ is right. There is no way that KC should base their entire offense on him and then not pay him for it. LJ has carried the franchise before Portis never did. That is why the trade for Bailey was genius because Bailey has carried the defense. Front office doesn't have the same personnel around LJ to support him that was there before so his opportunity to negotiate isn't going to improve so he has to play this and of course KC wants to see what they REALLY have with this guy with the change in management and change in offenses.

K.C. has already stated that they plan on using LJ MORE than they have. LJ should be aspiring LT numbers but look who he works for!

Bob's your Information Minister

06-21-2007, 10:23 PM

K.C. has already stated that they plan on using LJ MORE than they have. r!

This is a misinterpretation of the facts. The Chiefs stated they would throw LJ the ball more. His carries will be down. They are not going to give him the workload he had last year. I'm going to guess 320 carries and 60 receptions.

Odysseus

06-21-2007, 10:30 PM

His agent would be a fool to agree to that. A player of Johnson's caliber is going to get a 6 year deal somewhere. It sounds like Johnson is aware of it too when you hear him talk about Earl Campbell. He's headed down that same road and he'd be an idiot not to secure himself for life while he can. I don't care for LJ at all, but I'd be doing the same thing in his shoes. Six years, $55 million, $20 million up front. Whoever wants to pay it.

These kind of threads devolve into pie fights with boobee and the p***Ycat dolls but yeah that sounds about right. I don't care for LJ but Herm deserves him.

EDIT: I am pretty sure when things start to get crumbly with the QB situation that they will HAVE to lean on LJ no matter what their stated plans are.

Herm pretty much was going to key the offense on this guy and no matter if it's city miles or highway miles. Miles is miles. I don't see them airing out as effectively as they have in the past.

boltaneer

06-21-2007, 10:59 PM

This is a misinterpretation of the facts. The Chiefs stated they would throw LJ the ball more. His carries will be down. They are not going to give him the workload he had last year. I'm going to guess 320 carries and 60 receptions.

So the plan is to let Brodie Croyle is going to throw more passes than Huard and Green did last year?

Great plan!

Bob's your Information Minister

06-21-2007, 11:02 PM

So the plan is to let Brodie Croyle is going to throw more passes than Huard and Green did last year?

Great plan!

No, the plan is to give Michael Bennett and Kolby Smith some carries. Last year Bennett got hurt and Dee Brown was a fumble circus.

boltaneer

06-21-2007, 11:04 PM

No, the plan is to give Michael Bennett and Kolby Smith some carries. Last year Bennett got hurt and Dee Brown was a fumble circus.

Heh heh. I think every team on the KC's schedule will happily welcome this plan! ;D

Bob's your Information Minister

06-21-2007, 11:06 PM

Heh heh. I think every team on the KC's schedule will happily welcome this plan! ;D

Uh, why? A fresh LJ is a dangerous LJ. Bennett is an established runner with a very solid skillset (burned the Broncos on thanksgiving night) and Kolby Smith has talent.

boltaneer

06-21-2007, 11:12 PM

Uh, why? A fresh LJ is a dangerous LJ. Bennett is an established runner with a very solid skillset (burned the Broncos on thanksgiving night) and Kolby Smith has talent.

While I agree that it's a good idea not to kill LJ with 400+ carries this season again, no one is afraid of Michael Bennett or a late round rookie running back.

azbroncfan

06-21-2007, 11:42 PM

So the plan is to let Brodie Croyle is going to throw more passes than Huard and Green did last year?

Great plan!

The offense will suck enough that they will have more punts and Croyle is going to turn the ball over more thus less plays for KC.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-21-2007, 11:43 PM

While I agree that it's a good idea not to kill LJ with 400+ carries this season again, no one is afraid of Michael Bennett or a late round rookie running back.

No one is afraid of most backup running backs.

The Chiefs are a better football team if they lessen LJ's workload.

Kaylore

06-21-2007, 11:50 PM

The offense will suck enough that they will have more punts and Croyle is going to turn the ball over more thus less plays for KC.

Also when you play from behind you throw the ball more. LJ probably won't be running at all in the second half of all the Chief's games.

azbroncfan

06-22-2007, 12:09 AM

Nap Harris getting 7 mil this year. Carl Peterson with another great spending idea.

boltaneer

06-22-2007, 12:18 AM

No one is afraid of most backup running backs.

The Chiefs are a better football team if they lessen LJ's workload.

So you're saying that the Chiefs blew it last year?

Damn, giving Michael Bennett more carries could have gotten you to the Super Bowl!

Bob's your Information Minister

06-22-2007, 12:21 AM

Nap Harris getting 7 mil this year.

Nap Harris isn't making 7 mil this year. He signed an extremely cap friendly contract.

wabbit

06-22-2007, 12:22 AM

I like the way Johnson compares his situation to Earl Cambell...Johnson is barely in Preist Holmes class, much less Earl Cambell.

He had fresh legs after spending the better aprt of his first two seasons on the bench.

We'll see how he holds up with a crap team depending on him to provide their only offense.

He sould be glad the NFL just approved the expedited disability claims process...he's going to need it.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-22-2007, 12:25 AM

You really think so? Priest proved he was nothing but the product of a great offensive line in 2005.

Priest would have been lucky to average 3.5 YPC behind last year's unit.

azbroncfan

06-22-2007, 12:26 AM

Nap Harris isn't making 7 mil this year. He signed an extremely cap friendly contract.

Then why did they just report it on NFL live? Gonzo 11 mil, Nap harris 7mil, surtain and Law were 5-6 mil something like that?

Bob's your Information Minister

06-22-2007, 12:26 AM

Then why did they just report it on NFL live? Gonzo 11 mil, Nap harris 7mil, surtain and Law were 5-6 mil something like that?

They were probably referring to his signing bonus.

wabbit

06-22-2007, 12:30 AM

You really think so? Priest proved he was nothing but the product of a great offensive line in 2005.

Priest would have been lucky to average 3.5 YPC behind last year's unit.

Listen, Bobo...you were just a test tube experiment when Cambell was pounding out yards.

Short of Jim Brown, there wasn't a better FB in modern NFL history.

Johnson couldn't even occupy Cambells shadow & should be legally forbidden from even mentioning his name...sheer blasphemy.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-22-2007, 12:41 AM

Bob's your Information Minister

06-22-2007, 01:00 AM

For a player with such remarkable God-given talent and incredible accomplishments, Larry Johnson has never really been a football star. That was the second conclusion I reached after Johnson, his agent, Alvin Keels, and I shared lunch at the Hereford House early this week.

Thursday in The Star, during Part 1 of my Q&A with Johnson, I focused on the brewing training-camp holdout that Johnson may stage to leverage his way into a better contract. Today, we’ll focus more on Johnson as a person, not a football player.

But you have to understand Johnson’s football history to understand the brooding personality that he believes makes him a great player.

He didn’t catch a football break until his senior year of high school, and then he went to Penn State and got humbled by big-time football and bigger-time football politics. He rushed for 2,000 yards as a college senior and then ran into a legendary NFL coach who didn’t want him.

Now, coming off back-to-back 1,700-yard rushing seasons, Johnson found himself on the trading block this offseason. According to NFL experts, the Chiefs offered Johnson to several teams. The Packers expressed the most interest but eventually balked at a draft-day deal that would have cost the Pack their first-, second- and third-round picks.

“I think it made Larry realize how real the business side of football is in the NFL,” Keels said of the trade talks. “He saw firsthand that the Chiefs would do what’s in the best interest of the organization, so, therefore, it’s made him aware that in the future he has to do what’s in the best interest of Larry Johnson.”

Here’s the second part of my 150-minute interview with Larry Johnson. On Sunday, I’ll offer my opinion on Johnson and his contract situation. On Thursday, a spokesman for the Chiefs said the organization had “no comment” on Johnson’s statement that he’s preparing for a training-camp holdout.

Question: Larry, you do understand there’s a responsibility that goes along with being the highest-paid player?

Johnson: “Me and Herm talked about that.”

Question: Are you ready to accept the responsibility that goes along with being the highest-paid player?

Johnson: “I can adjust to it because there’s nothing left for me to fight for. There’s no sense in me fighting upstairs, no sense in me fighting coaches, ain’t no sense in me fighting other things that go on. Having this contract done, my future is secure now, I can play football, be a leader, try to get this Super Bowl ring, get into the Pro Bowl a couple more times and maybe get into the Hall of Fame when my career is done. After I get this contract, there’s nothing else to worry about.”

Question: You’re showing some maturity in recent months. Are you going to change again when you get your money?

Johnson: “Regardless of whether I get this money or not, I’m going to still be me. But I’m going to do it where I’m not embarrassing myself, I’m not embarrassing my teammates and I’m not trying to look like I’m after something once I get this money. The money is going to set me up for my kids and my future. Yeah, I’m going to buy me a nice toy, a new car. And that’s it. And then I’m going to set up for my family after that. Money doesn’t change me.”

Question: There’s a concern that some players play with less intensity once they get a huge contract. Will that happen to you?

Johnson: “Receivers can do that (stuff) because all they have to do is jog through some routes. I can’t do that because I have 10 other guys trying to hit me and kill for me to do that. I have too much pride. That’s embarrassing to me. At the end of the day, the media, Carl Peterson and Herm can say whatever they want to, but I gotta answer to my father. That’s the main person I’m trying to impress. I have way too much pride for that.”

Question: Are you angry about something, and if so why?

Johnson: “I’m always angry about something. My dad will tell you I was a moody kid when I was growing up. That’s just who I was — I was a moody kid. There was always something bothering me. When I was a kid, even if we won the game, if I felt like I didn’t do something right, he knew I would be upset the rest of the day. A lot of that comes from me always putting pressure on myself. I was always under that pressure as a child, and there was always that anger that was inside of me. It’s just something that can’t leave for me to always want to be the best.

“It always comes out in the worst times and at a time when it’s not appropriate. I know that part. It was just the way I was raised being in a coach’s household, everybody expects you to be better than your dad growing up or be just like your dad growing up. I had to live with that when I was 9.

“Then going to college, I had to bite my tongue on a lot of stuff because of my dad. I’m always going to be upset that I didn’t get to play four years at Penn State. I’m going to be upset that I had to switch high schools to try to be recruited, to try and pass my SATs and get into college. I’m always going to be upset that when I came to Kansas City I didn’t get to play. I’m always going to be upset about that.”

Question: You do realize that’s unhealthy?

Johnson: “I mean, yeah. I’ve been kind of doing better with that. A lot of people are surprised to see me smile more than I used to. My life used to be: what I wanted and what I was getting were miles apart. Now it’s like right here (very close). Now I can be a little more at ease about where I am.”

Question: OK, but I want you to understand that being angry is physically unhealthy and can affect your life expectancy.

Johnson: “I’m definitely a lot better than I was a year ago.”

Question: Leadership, what does it mean to you?

Johnson: “I’m not a talkative person. If anything I’d rather be a leader by example, as far as what I do on the football field. I’ve always been a leader by example. That’s the biggest thing to me. Guys can talk all day, but then go out there and drop 10 balls or miss six or seven blocks.”

Question: How come you don’t block well?

Johnson: “I have to watch three people on every pass play. That’s why when T. Rich was here they started taking me out on third downs, because I have to watch three people on every single pass play. When you look at San Diego, you barely see LaDainian Tomlinson pass-block. I can pass-block. Sometimes I’m going to mess up. DBs, I can block all day. Linebackers, that’s a different breed of animal. I can cut-block ’em.

“Really this (stuff) came from Dick Vermeil. When I first got into camp, he said the reason we don’t play him is because of my blocking. That stuck with me from then to all the way up to that Dallas Cowboys game when I — first time I ever tried to cut — tried to cut (Scott) Fujita. I tried to cut him on his wrong side. I tried to cut him with my left shoulder and all he had to do was sweep around me. I had bad technique, and Trent coughed the ball up. But nobody said nothing the same year when I had to block Shawne Merriman 100 times in a row, and he never once got to the quarterback.”

Question: Explain your relationship with rapper Jay-Z.

Johnson: “A lot of people don’t know that goes beyond me just wearing his clothes. I could switch to Nike tomorrow and Jay would be completely cool with it. There are only a couple of athletes Jay-Z was cool enough to let in his little small circle of people that he calls friends. It’s me, LeBron and that’s about it. It’s a real tight group. It goes beyond me just wearing clothes. We’ve become friends now. If I wanted to do Nike or Reebok or anything else, he would have input, but he would never say ‘OK, I can’t (mess) with you no more because of that.’ He’s never been that way. We just happened to hit it off.”

Question: How does your association with Jay-Z affect your vision of how you see yourself as an athlete and an individual?

Johnson: “I don’t think it really affects me other than the fact I just know him. If anything when people mention me, of course, they mention him.”

Question: Is Jay-Z a mentor, someone who shapes your view on how to conduct business?

Johnson: “He definitely did that. Between me and you, he definitely didn’t want me to do that Fantasia video. I definitely got cussed out for that one. He told me there were a lot of things he wanted to do, but he couldn’t do them. He said, ‘You gotta be able to look at yourself as a business, as stock, and the less things you do, the more people will have interest in you. The more things you do, you water down your value.’ ”

Question: What do you want to accomplish as a football player?

Johnson: “I’m not a numbers guy. I’m not trying to rush for 2,000 yards or score so many touchdowns. My whole thing when I started playing football is to try and bring the old-school-mentality guys back. When people mention me, I want them to mention Jim Brown, Eric Dickerson, Walter Payton, Gale Sayers. That’s what I really play football for is the fun of that. I don’t really do it to be the richest, how many rushing yards I can get. I’d like to be mentioned with that group of guys.”

Question: What characteristics do the old-school running backs have that you respect?

Johnson: “Jim Brown was a player who didn’t take (stuff). Those guys really lived when racism was really around. Jim Brown stood up for Muhammad Ali. That’s what I like about old-school guys. You don’t see that anymore. They really stood up and did what they wanted to do.”

Question: What does Larry Johnson stand for?

Johnson: “I just stand up for people who want to be themselves. If you see something wrong, don’t be afraid to stand up and point them out. A lot of guys see what’s wrong, but they don’t say anything about it. People who stand up turn out to be the greatest people in this country — Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, guys who stood up for what they believed in.”

Question: Do you feel like you’re a part of anything bigger than just Larry Johnson?

Johnson: “Not right now. I don’t have that status to do something like that. It’ll take me a couple of more years, but I really want to point out the undercover racism that is everywhere.

“And I really like to help young black kids who really think it’s cool to look up to certain rappers because they think it’s cool at that time. They think it’s cool that they can’t put on a suit and tie. They think it’s corny to look nice. They can’t go to school without having a white T down to their knees. That’s what I’m really trying to fight as far as that image that they can’t dress up. It’s really black youths fighting ourselves. You know, when you’re a kid, be a kid. But when you’re 27 and you still wearing a white T and baggy pants, what does that say about your life and where you’re headed?”

SECOND OF TWO PARTS. FOLLOW-UP IS SUNDAY
This is the second of two parts of Jason Whitlock’s question-and-answer session with Chiefs running back Larry Johnson. Whitlock will offer his opinion on the interview in TheStar on Sunday.

wabbit

06-22-2007, 01:04 AM

Go ahead and tell me how LJ can't hold Floyd Little's jock again. It amuses me.

Do you have an excuse as to why the great Earl Campbell never scored 20 touchdowns and couldn't catch the ball worth a damn?

Never mentioned Little, but OK, I'll play...but I warn you; Johnson could hold Floyd little's jock...and serve him coffee, water and wash his uniform.

He'd be an ideal lockerrom lacky.

He's a RB Bobo...dime a dozen. Only the real franchsie guys make the history books, and Johnson doesn't have the character.

They come...they go.

With a mouth like Johnsons', he'd be crushed like a bug in 60's era football...that's how they dealt with his like.

...oh, and Earl Cambell could catch, but why bother...he could roll over any defensive player of his day.

TDs in a season are a fraud stat...Broncos once had a one-year RB named Delpino who racked up 19 TDs...with yard totals of 400 or something like that.

Killericon

06-22-2007, 01:06 AM

but I really want to point out the undercover racism that is everywhere.

Everywhere? Really? Sounds paranoid... The interview was rather impressive, until he got to his bull**** racism rant.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-22-2007, 01:08 AM

Never mentioned Little

My mistake. It was Sammy Winder, another awful comparison:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1416029&postcount=681

TDs in a season are a fraud stat

Wow. Wow.

boltaneer

06-22-2007, 01:21 AM

Question: How come you don’t block well?

Johnson: “I have to watch three people on every pass play. That’s why when T. Rich was here they started taking me out on third downs, because I have to watch three people on every single pass play. When you look at San Diego, you barely see LaDainian Tomlinson pass-block. I can pass-block. Sometimes I’m going to mess up. DBs, I can block all day. Linebackers, that’s a different breed of animal. I can cut-block ’em.

Wow, I can't believe he said that. LT stays in to block quite a bit (though less than usual last year because the o-line was much better than years past) and is one of the better pass blocking RBs in the league.

It's almost like Bob was whispering in LJ's ear, telling him what to say.

wabbit

06-22-2007, 01:24 AM

...It's almost like Bob was whispering in LJ's ear, telling him what to say.

...or he read it somewhere, printed it as his own material & bathed in the praise of his interviewing technique until someone exposed him.

...either way...works for him.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-22-2007, 01:26 AM

Jesus. STFU you jackass.

wabbit

06-22-2007, 01:27 AM

Thems fightin' words, Bobo...not good for you.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-22-2007, 01:29 AM

Thems fightin' words, Bobo...not good for you.

This is the second of two parts of Jason Whitlock’s question-and-answer session with Chiefs running back Larry Johnson. Whitlock will offer his opinion on the interview in TheStar on Sunday.

MORON.

24champ

06-22-2007, 01:29 AM

Your killing me Wabbit...stop please! LOL

wabbit

06-22-2007, 01:32 AM

MORON.

Plagiarizer...liar, cheat, hypocrite...OK, ok, you got me beat.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-22-2007, 01:36 AM

You know I can take a lot of bull**** on here but accusations of plagiarism don't fly. If you're going to bring that crap you better have evidence.

Killericon

06-22-2007, 01:36 AM

Wow! We found Mock! He's just taken over Bobo's account!

wabbit

06-22-2007, 01:41 AM

You know I can take a lot of bull**** on here but accusations of plagiarism don't fly. If you're going to bring that crap you better have evidence.

Anything you say, oh master of nothingness;

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=1621482#post1621482

Post #83

Bob's your Information Minister

06-22-2007, 01:45 AM

Did you just completely MISS post #84?

I swear, it's like Spiduhr moved to Aurora and someone gave him a writing gig.

baja

06-22-2007, 01:52 AM

I saw Mock in Bangkok at a girly boy show sitting in the front row, I know it was him because I heard him say these "girls" were cuter than his nieces in Iowa

wabbit

06-22-2007, 01:56 AM

Did you just completely MISS post #84?

I swear, it's like Spiduhr moved to Aurora and someone gave him a writing gig.

First of all, shouldn't swear...'member what Mama said.

You printed the article & didn't credit the author...even led some to believe it was yours...the thread clearly demonstrates that... and that, young man, is plagiarism...by definition.

You don't belong in the journalism community if you're going to steal the work of others and in any other media platform than a message board, you would've been called to accounts in a much more serious manner.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-22-2007, 01:59 AM

baja

06-22-2007, 02:00 AM

wabbit

06-22-2007, 02:05 AM

Haha. I led no one to believe it was mine. As I STATED...I post EVERY article from Warpaint without bylines. INCLUDING my own.

So basically you're full of ****.

Got any more bull**** examples, retard?

What a wonderful display of your depth, Bobo.

Anything you write is questionable now....then again, if it's sterile, weighted down by cliche & homeristic...it's probably yours.

I'll leave the judgement to anyone wanting to wade through the thread.

In my judgement...it's plagiarism, and along with your other failings...sounds like the intensive study of trash collection & waste disposal may be in your best hope for a future...just a freebie tip, no thanks needed.

Killericon

06-22-2007, 02:07 AM

Wait, you're saying that you posting without bylines is proof that you DON'T plagiarize?

Run that one by me again...

Florida_Bronco

06-22-2007, 02:12 AM

Good lord, I've never seen Bobo take an ass beating like this before!

24champ

06-22-2007, 02:20 AM

Los Broncos

06-22-2007, 02:38 AM

I think someone hacked him.

Florida_Bronco

06-22-2007, 02:40 AM

Man this thread is great. Bobo comes rolling through here and promptly gets his ass handed to him by Wabbit, the man who is everything Bobo wishes he could be.

24champ

06-22-2007, 02:57 AM

http://x10.putfile.com/12/34711524520.jpg

Los Broncos

06-22-2007, 02:59 AM

http://x10.putfile.com/12/34711524520.jpg

ROFL!

Florida_Bronco

06-22-2007, 03:02 AM

That picture has to be one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

24champ

06-22-2007, 03:10 AM

Jan. 4, 1998 - Broncos 14, Chiefs 10

You can blame whoever you want to blame for this travesty. I will continue to blame my sister. Allow me to explain.

During the contest, I had ordered a pizza. I had eaten every slice, save one. It remained in the oven, waiting to be consumed post-game. I knew the Chiefs were going to win, and that slice was destined to be my “victory slice.”

My sister ate that slice. The Chiefs choked. You don’t mess with football food karma, people. Let this be a lesson to you.

I am pretty sure Bobo wrote that....

http://chiefs.scout.com/2/571959.html

Florida_Bronco

06-22-2007, 03:16 AM

Yeah, that sounds like something gay that Bob would write.

ZachKC

06-22-2007, 03:53 AM

Florida_Bronco

06-22-2007, 04:18 AM

Trying to set aside some people's inability to talk about anything but Bob...

This is an interesting situation. I like what LJ has done on the field obviously. He flat out wears defenders down and often tries to hit them a lot harder than they do him. The combo of speed and power...and some nifty feet have been fun to watch.

There is going to be some posturing and some words but this deal will happen. Both sides want to make it happen.

The second part of JW's piece is quite good. There are not alot of interviews that are more candid. What LJ wants more than anything is his name listed with one of the greats. You can't do that while you are holding out waiting for phone calls from your agent. The guy is a competitor. He is always going out of his way to look those defenders in the eyes...frustrated when a big run doesn't break. His nature has caused problems...there is a maturity issue that he addresses at great length and seems to be trying to curb. Met LJ last year at a charity event at my families business. I was sitting around having a drink before everyone came around when he was there. Very quiet...seemed nervous...like someone with anxiety. He looks fidgity but he isn't bad at all to talk too.

You sound a little frustrated. Did Starbucks get your order wrong this morning? ???

On another matter. This whole fantasy some of you folks have created about how awful the Chiefs are is fantastic. The whole thing is getting Hixonesuqe. You people are going to be disappointed if you really expect a celler dwelling Kansas City team. This Chiefs team has a lot of great things going for it.

Like what? Excluding LJ, you have no real answer at QB, your WRs are worse than the Chargers and your O-line is not in good shape. On defense, you drafted a couple D-linemen who are not that good and not a good match for your scheme. You have 1 good linebacker and another that is old and coming back to a 4-3 scheme where he won't be able to make as many plays. Your corners are older and overrated, and you have major questions at safety.

This of course does not include the bumbling retards you have as head coach and general manager, but KC fans don't need to be told how bad they have it there.

ZachKC

06-22-2007, 04:26 AM

You sound a little frustrated. Did Starbucks get your order wrong this morning? ???

I have no idea where you got the part and I don't drink coffee. Moving on...

Like what? Excluding LJ, you have no real answer at QB, your WRs are worse than the Chargers and your O-line is not in good shape. On defense, you drafted a couple D-linemen who are not that good and not a good match for your scheme. You have 1 good linebacker and another that is old and coming back to a 4-3 scheme where he won't be able to make as many plays. Your corners are older and overrated, and you have major questions at safety.

This of course does not include the bumbling retards you have as head coach and general manager, but KC fans don't need to be told how bad they have it there.
A lot of teams look bad when you take every single position and project the worst possible outcome for it. You are not talking about the Chiefs...you are talking about this fantasy world you have created. I am not declaring the Chiefs Superbowl Champions...this post sums it up pretty well (http://orangemane.com/BB/member.php?u=1302). The main point being that the Chiefs faced more obstacles and had more stacked up against them last year and turned out to be a decent team. This team is more of a situation for success. If you want to believe they are not good enough to be on the same field as other NFL teams then fantastic. Enjoy this coming season. Hilarious!

Herm's player development during his small time at KC has spoken for itself.

Broncoman13

06-22-2007, 09:38 AM

elsid13

06-22-2007, 09:39 AM

Excluding the Bobo is moron posts,

The real question for any GM in today's NFL "is it worth paying a premium price for talented RB???"

LJ has talent, is freaking moron, but is he real worth sinking long term money into?? Putting all your hopes into one man with the potential for injury and breakdown seem not the best choice of limited resource allocations. Other teams have seemed to find great RB talent in the latter rounds or gone to two back system that let them make up for the play of one runner.

Crushaholic

06-22-2007, 09:43 AM

How did this thread get to be about Bob? I need to read up...

Beantown Bronco

06-22-2007, 10:18 AM

How did this thread get to be about Bob? I need to read up...

I wish Bob would hold out until Week 10....

Atwater His Ass

06-22-2007, 11:02 AM

Wait, you're saying that you posting without bylines is proof that you DON'T plagiarize?

Run that one by me again...

For real. I seemed to have missed this connection as well.

fontaine

06-22-2007, 11:36 AM

I really like LJ as a player and what he does on the field.

What he did last year behind a subpar OL was pretty impressive. The way he can beat a defender at the line of scrimmage (because of his average line) and still gain positive yards is what makes him such a dangerous running back.

With Graham and Henry I'm hoping we can get some of that smashmouth football back in Denver.

Hopefully he'll get his contract because behind that line which isn't going to get better soon and with a questionable QB situation he's looking at another 400 carry season.

Broncojef

06-22-2007, 11:51 AM

KC needs to get real with themselves, they will not be competitive this year or next and overpaying for one bright star makes no sense with the holes they have at QB, WR, OL, LB and DB. As a Broncofan I respect LJ and think he will be good for them but in the grand scheme of getting better and fielding a winning team I think a high dollar long term deal hurts the Chefs more than it helps. How anyone can look at KC and project anything more than 8 wins is beyond me.

bronco militia

06-22-2007, 12:01 PM

2ND PART OF THE INTERVIEW

Jason Whitlock: LJ seething over success

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/160453.html

Now, coming off back-to-back 1,700-yard rushing seasons, Johnson found himself on the trading block this offseason. According to NFL experts, the Chiefs offered Johnson to several teams. The Packers expressed the most interest but eventually balked at a draft-day deal that would have cost the Pack their first-, second- and third-round picks

ZachKC

06-22-2007, 04:37 PM

How did this thread get to be about Bob? I need to read up...

It is on the Orangemane?

bendog

06-22-2007, 04:47 PM

Carl's gotta get it done. W/o LJ they'll be drafting in the top 5. Come on Carl! "M-E-D-O-C-R-I-T-Y whats that spell ..... CHIEFS!"

Dukes

06-22-2007, 05:31 PM

Kaylore

06-22-2007, 07:14 PM

How did this thread get to be about Bob? I need to read up...

Bob thinks he's LJ's lover so he feels the need to step in and defend the racist when anyone rips on him. It will be a sad day for Bob when LJ's knees explode.

Inkana7

06-22-2007, 07:25 PM

Bob thinks he's LJ's lover so he feels the need to step in and defend the racist when anyone rips on him. It will be a sad day for Bob when LJ's knees explode.

Oh, Kaylore. You just combined LJ, Bob, lover, and knees in one post. That's just setting up all kinds of stuff.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-24-2007, 12:01 AM

Whitlock's last word on this:

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/162774.html

Rebels need causes. Without one, they appear foolish, immature and angry for no reason.

Larry Johnson is a rebel. It’s in his DNA — the mind that is always thinking, the comfort with confrontation, the desire to point out hypocrisy and the love of raw honesty.

Unfortunately for Larry Johnson and every football coach who has been blessed to coach him, football has been Larry’s lone cause.

Larry rebels on the football field. The results of that rebellion have been both breathtaking and frustrating. Johnson, Kansas City’s Pro Bowl running back, has set records and caused headaches with equal regularity.

The Chiefs are probably headed for a prolonged migraine this training camp. Without a new contract that pays Johnson $27 million to $28 million in guaranteed money or $25 million to $26 million over the first three years of the deal, I can’t imagine why Larry Johnson would report to training camp.

He can’t report to camp without a new deal. At age 27 and coming off a 416-carry season, it would be economic insanity for Johnson to play for the $1.7 million the Chiefs are scheduled to pay him. And he can’t sit back and wait for the Chiefs to slap him with the franchise tag next season.

“What a lot of people fail to understand is the NFL is the only sport without guaranteed contracts,” Johnson’s agent Alvin Keels reiterated to me in an e-mail on Friday. “If a player has played four years in the league and hasn’t yet cracked the starting lineup, and he was due to earn $1.7 million, it’s a good chance that the team would cut the player to avoid paying such a salary. That is the reason players hold out in the NFL. It’s the only leverage that most players have when trying to seek a compromise with their organization. In our case, Larry doesn’t want to hold out. He wants to be in camp with his teammates, but holding out is an option.”

Holding out is the only option.

The only real question is, what is Larry Johnson worth? Is he worth LaDainian Tomlinson money? And what is LT money?

Tomlinson, the league’s best back, signed a deal in 2004 that paid him $21 million in guarantees and a little more than $25 million over the first three years. Since Tomlinson signed that deal, there’s been a new collective bargaining agreement and a significant raise in the salary cap.

That’s why a year ago, Edgerrin James signed with the Arizona Cardinals for $14.75 million in guaranteed money and $25 million over the first three years. The first three years of a player’s contract is important because that is the money he is likely to receive.

What would Tomlinson command in today’s market? Probably $30 million in guaranteed and $35 million over the first three years.

So, in Johnson’s opinion, he is not asking for LT money. He’s asking for less than what LT would command today. Johnson wants a better deal than the one the Cardinals gave James. Does he deserve that? Yes.

Johnson is the second-best back in the league. James is not in his class. He made his name running the ball in Peyton Manning’s offense. It’s never easy to run the ball in the NFL, but running the ball with Manning and Marvin Harrison as distractions is a lot easier than what Johnson did last season for the Chiefs.

I can’t predict what Johnson will do if he gets his money. Will he become a better teammate, a stabilizing force in the locker room, less moody, less likely to text message during team meetings?

I don’t know. He’s a rebel who hasn’t found a worthy cause. There’s no balance in his life. As long as that’s the case, as long as he bucks against the legacy his father laid before him, I suspect LJ will have emotional problems.

But you never know when a cause-less rebel is going to get “it,” settle down and do something productive with his passion. Maybe all Larry needs is unconditional love (money) from the Chiefs.

Pendejo

06-24-2007, 12:11 AM

sixtimeseight

06-24-2007, 12:10 PM

The longer this goes on, the more incompetent the Chiefs look. I love it.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-24-2007, 02:03 PM

I'm guess they'll look pretty smart when it gets done then.

Florida_Bronco

06-24-2007, 02:12 PM

The longer this goes on, the more incompetent the Chiefs look. I love it.

The Chiefs have been incompetent since 1989

Dukes

06-24-2007, 02:14 PM

I hope you guys break the bank trying to make LJ happy.

Crushaholic

06-24-2007, 03:08 PM

The Chiefs have been incompetent since 1970

...fixed it for you...:chiefssux

tsiguy96

06-24-2007, 03:27 PM

I'm guess they'll look pretty smart when it gets done then.

why? because they are either going to pay a LOT of money or they will lose a good RB?

KCStud

06-24-2007, 03:36 PM

I agree that Denver will be a good playoff team when they beat KC at Arrowhead and vice versa for KC, but I hate to break it to you but you aren't winning at Arrowhead, with Brodie starting or not.

LJ has dominated the Broncos as a starter.

At Arrowhead, LJ has dominated the Broncos ever since he has been starting.

LJ had 140 yards and 1 TD in his first game against the Broncos at Arrowhead.
In his second game against you at Arrowhead the next season, he had 157 yards and 2 TD's.

I just don't see how your defense can stop him, especially with Al Wilson gone

Bob's your Information Minister

06-24-2007, 03:43 PM

LJ had 140 yards and 1 TD in his first game against the Broncos at Arrowhead.
In his second game against you at Arrowhead the next season, he had 157 yards and 2 TD's.

I just don't see how your defense can stop him, especially with Al Wilson gone

Actually LJ's first game against the Broncos at Arrowhead was in 2004. And he dominated them again. 151 yards and 2 TDs. THE BRONCOS ARE JOHNSON'S BITCH!!!!!!!

KCStud

06-24-2007, 03:56 PM

Actually LJ's first game against the Broncos at Arrowhead was in 2004. And he dominated them again. 151 yards and 2 TDs. THE BRONCOS ARE JOHNSON'S b****!!!!!!!

I meant as a starter but yeah LJ has always dominated the Broncos and I don't see it ending this year.

Florida_Bronco

06-24-2007, 03:58 PM

KCStud

06-24-2007, 04:20 PM

We'll see what happens this year. We have one the best D-coordinators in the game, many new players and a whole new scheme.

Plus, the 10 other guys on your crappy offense have to do their jobs.

10 other crappy guys? You mean Gonzalez? Waters? Both pro bowlers..
A first round WR? Kennison who has had success against the Broncos over the years. Our OL is much better than it was last year. We finally got a true LT instead of a G playing LT and Welbourne is a natural G. He may not be Will Shields, but he is not much of a drop off.

Nobody knows how good our passing game will be. The only thing people know about our offense is that LJ and Gonzo are constant playmakers.

Croyle and Cutler need to prove themselves this year too

theAPAOps5

06-24-2007, 04:27 PM

dude who ever started the Bob Quoting but changing his name to stuff like Balogny Tits is my hero. That stuff is cracking me up.

So if LJ holds out and KC tanks it this year then they should trade LJ for mad picks and draft that stud RB coming to the draft next year. Then use the other picks to fix holes and go from there. But what am I saying its Carl Peterson.

KCStud

06-24-2007, 04:37 PM

Another interesting fact. KC always beats young QB's who play their first game at Arrowhead. Example-KC 41 SF 0 last season

Inkana7

06-24-2007, 06:17 PM

Wow KCStud. You're a tool. I guess you could say that Denver always beats old QB's who play their first game at Mile High. Example-DEN 13 BAL 3 last season.

Facts generally help an argument, not some random occurence.

24champ

06-24-2007, 06:22 PM

Is Bob's Your Plagiarizer creating new accounts on the mane now?

Bob's your Information Minister

06-24-2007, 06:24 PM

Facts generally help an argument, not some random occurence.

Here are your facts:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2006/12/31/chiefsjaguars_postgame_notes/

Kansas City has won 20 of its last 22 games against QBs in their first or second year as NFL starters who are making their initial appearance as a starter at Arrowhead.

Inkana7

06-24-2007, 07:40 PM

There we go. Complete with a link.

sixtimeseight

06-24-2007, 08:47 PM

I'm guess they'll look pretty smart when it gets done then.

They're going to look smart when they give a broken down running back a 7 year contract with 30 million guaranteed? Whatever you say, fat boy.

Los Broncos

06-24-2007, 08:50 PM

So KC is going to beat us once this year, big deal.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-24-2007, 08:51 PM

They're going to look smart when they give a broken down running back a 7 year contract with 30 million guaranteed? Whatever you say, fat boy.

Not signing LJ is stupid. You folks would have no fear whatsoever of a Chiefs team without LJ.

Simply Red

06-24-2007, 08:52 PM

There is not a more important player to their team currently in the league. Maybe equally as imp. see Tom Brady.

SoCalBronco

06-24-2007, 09:12 PM

Not signing LJ is stupid. You folks would have no fear whatsoever of a Chiefs team without LJ.

On the contrary. It would be most wise for Carl to just string this thing out as long as possible. The guy is almost 30 and you have already gotten alot of production out of him for peanuts. Carl has successfully used him as a workhorse for free. In all likelihood, LJ has about 3 more years at a high level of play (and that assumes his body does not break down before that time, I know you are going to reduce his carries a bit, but I think he still might be breaking down nonetheless). Obviously, it would be better for the Chiefs for them to use him again this season for free and then tag his ass. You pay like 8 million or whatever, that is fine and then, at most, pay it one more time. By that point, LJ is more or less done and you have no albatross whatsoever sitting on your cap. You have paid about 16-18 million with no future negative effects. If you agree on a long term deal, LJ is probably going to sign for nothing less than something in the mid 20s in terms of guaranteed money alone (while LT signed for "only" 21m in guaranteed money, that was in the summer of 04, the cap has gone up considerably since then, that 21m would prolly be something like 30m today, so I think it is fair to assume that LJ will get something like 25 guaranteed). If that is the case, you have saved at least 7-8m in terms of guaranteed money alone if you just franchise him twice for 08 and 09 and that is not counting the 3 years of base salary that you would also save.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-24-2007, 09:16 PM

On the contrary. It would be most wise for Carl to just string this thing out as long as possible. The guy is almost 30 and you have already gotten alot of production out of him for peanuts. Carl has successfully used him as a workhorse for free. In all likelihood, LJ has about 3 more years at a high level of play (and that assumes his body does not break down before that time, I know you are going to reduce his carries a bit, but I think he still might be breaking down nonetheless). Obviously, it would be better for the Chiefs for them to use him again this season for free and then tag his ass. You pay like 8 million or whatever, that is fine and then, at most, pay it one more time. By that point, LJ is more or less done and you have no albatross whatsoever sitting on your cap. You have paid about 16-18 million with no future negative effects. If you agree on a long term deal, LJ is probably going to sign for nothing less than something in the mid 20s in terms of guaranteed money alone (while LT signed for "only" 21m in guaranteed money, that was in the summer of 04, the cap has gone up considerably since then, that 21m would prolly be something like 30m today, so I think it is fair to assume that LJ will get something like 25 guaranteed). If that is the case, you have saved at least 7-8m in terms of guaranteed money alone if you just franchise him twice for 08 and 09 and that is not counting the 3 years of base salary that you would also save.

Eh, it just creates alot of problems. It also sends a message that the Chiefs don't pay people who break their back for the team.

SoCalBronco

06-24-2007, 09:22 PM

Eh, it just creates alot of problems. It also sends a message that the Chiefs don't pay people who break their back for the team.

So?

Everybody knows that the Patriots don't pay people who break their back for the team and that doesnt seem to be hurting them.

It's better to look like a jerk and save your team about 10 million then for Carl to look like he did the right thing for the player and it ends up costing you later, IMO.

I don't see any "problems" that this would create for you. Everyone knows this is a business. Carl routinely does this thing all the time anyway (as he should).

This is standard fare, Bob. This is nothing. The Eagles actually go out of their way to take advantage of young players and it seems to benefit them. They routinley offer new bonus money to young players (Patterson, Brown) just a couple years into the deal to lock them in forever and just a year or two later they have the guy by the balls and he is on the short end of the stick for the rest of his career.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-24-2007, 09:33 PM

Yes but the Patriots and Eagles are much more secure as franchises than the Chiefs are. If we don't pay LJ we'll be drafting in the top 10 for years. Unless Kolby Smith is the next Priest Holmes.

KCStud

06-24-2007, 10:33 PM

Broken down RB? LJ has only played one full year and has been looking/playing like he is in the best shape of his life.

KCStud

06-24-2007, 10:40 PM

Atlas

06-24-2007, 10:43 PM

King Carl needs to get him signed. Make him the highest paid RB in the nfl on a 3 or 4 year deal. He is worth it.

theAPAOps5

06-24-2007, 11:11 PM

And I think it's a little premature to think that Jay Cutler will come in and dominate KC at Arrowhead, especially when your offense could only manage to score 19 points last year against us. We have a much better defense this year, so I doubt Jay is gonna come to Arrowhead and light us up.
We will split just like every year..

Man, I swear they must have a crap ass school system in KC. CUTLER didn't play in either KC game dumb ass. Plummer was pathetic in every game minus the NE game. Every team played the boot and he was forced to throw from the pocket or stop short on the boot and it killed his ability. The Thanksgiving game in KC spelled Plummers demise. Man you guys are stupid. Now we have added a decent back, and stud blocking and receiving TE and our line is in tack. I think its pretty premature to think you guys will split us when you have no proven QB a disgruntled QB and Herm as a coach.

Billy Clyde Puckett

06-24-2007, 11:16 PM

Is Bob's Your Plagiarizer creating new accounts on the mane now?

Naaa, there's just a few more crawling out of his mom's toilet.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-24-2007, 11:41 PM

I think its pretty premature to think you guys will split us when you have no proven QB a disgruntled QB and Herm as a coach.

Oh, I see. So Cutler is completely proven after blowing a playoff berth last year? LJ is disgruntled? What a joke. And Herm? Herm? What is wrong with Herm exactly?

KCStud

06-24-2007, 11:47 PM

Man, I swear they must have a crap ass school system in KC. CUTLER didn't play in either KC game dumb ass. Plummer was pathetic in every game minus the NE game. Every team played the boot and he was forced to throw from the pocket or stop short on the boot and it killed his ability. The Thanksgiving game in KC spelled Plummers demise. Man you guys are stupid. Now we have added a decent back, and stud blocking and receiving TE and our line is in tack. I think its pretty premature to think you guys will split us when you have no proven QB a disgruntled QB and Herm as a coach.

I'm assuming you mean disgruntled RB, who by the way said he loves KC and is only holding out because that is the only way(all said by LJ in the KCStar).
And what makes you think Cutler is such a great QB? He isn't that far ahead of Croyle. You guys are homers if you think Cutler is gonna beat us at Arrowhead. He can't even win at home against losing teams(see 49er's game)

theAPAOps5

06-24-2007, 11:51 PM

KCStud

06-25-2007, 12:05 AM

Yeah and you are calling us a homer saying Croyle is on par with Cutler. I am willing to bet that when/if Cutler beats you guys in KC you are too much a pansy to come back here and own up. At least Boob will come back and take his licks he has done it time and again.

I will be here win or lose. And Croyle has proven nothing. Cutler has only proven that he has a big arm. He hasn't proven that he can beat good teams. Both will have learning years this year

SoCalBronco

06-25-2007, 12:08 AM

I'm assuming you mean disgruntled RB, who by the way said he loves KC and is only holding out because that is the only way(all said by LJ in the KCStar).

I really think that LJ needs to turn his life around. This is not a good path that he is on. He's a ticking time bomb. He's always angry, he's moody, he's an out and out bigot, he openly spouts off and criticizes the organization and coaches, he's made derogatory comments about cultural aspects of the community, he's been involved in domestic violence...I dont blame him for the contract related stuff, its a business, I understand and accept his position, thats cool, its just the other stuff. He's a bad seed. It was reported by several media groups that alot of folks on the team hate him, including some of his OL. He needs to turn his life around or else he is going to have alot of problems. People have talked about Jared Allen being a risk under the new personal conduct policies, I think LJ is definitely at risk as well, he needs to shut his damn mouth. I love how he acts like some guy from the 'hood and how he needs people he can relate to and how he is all tough and all that ****. He's the biggest phony I've ever seen. He has lived a comfortable life, his dad is a position coach at a major Division I big time university for pete sake, he's lived a pampered life, he didnt grow up in a hood, what a ****ing joke of a persona. He needs to stop acting like he is oppressed and the world owes him everything and grow the **** up.

For all of his unquestionably pro bowl talent, what LJ needs best is to be humbled, he needs to get seriously humbled by something.

theAPAOps5

06-25-2007, 12:08 AM

I will be here win or lose. And Croyle has proven nothing. Cutler has only proven that he has a big arm. He hasn't proven that he can beat good teams. Both will have learning years this year

And with that post I 100% agree. Neither has proven much of anything. But I would rather have Cutler lining up behind center than Croyle. That may be homerish but its based on his work ethic and desire.

Kaylore

06-25-2007, 12:11 AM

For all of his unquestionably pro bowl talent, what LJ needs best is to be humbled, he needs to get seriously humbled by something.

Oh it's coming. Trust me.

http://rentabozo.com/pix/knee.jpg

Bob's your Information Minister

06-25-2007, 12:11 AM

People have talked about Jared Allen being a risk under the new personal conduct policies, I think LJ is definitely at risk as well, he needs to shut his damn mouth.

Shut up.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-25-2007, 12:12 AM

Oh it's coming. Trust me.

http://rentabozo.com/pix/knee.jpg

I'm going to enjoy this season immensely.

Atlas

06-25-2007, 12:22 AM

24champ

06-25-2007, 12:31 AM

Oh it's coming. Trust me.

http://rentabozo.com/pix/knee.jpg

Is that the now or later pic of LJ's knee?

theAPAOps5

06-25-2007, 12:32 AM

Man whaterver it is LJ looks to be in some pain when it happens. Heck Boob gets these but thats from stress of body fat.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-25-2007, 12:47 AM

It's a white man's knee, foretelling Jay Cutler's coming injury.

Or possibly a post-op photo from Matt Lepsis' surgery. Talk about a guy who's broken down.

KCStud

06-25-2007, 12:49 AM

[QUOTE=ApaOps5;1626377]And with that post I 100% agree. Neither has proven much of anything. But I would rather have Cutler lining up behind center than Croyle. That may be homerish but its based on his work ethic and desire.[/QUOTE

IMO it is that Cutler has more ability as of now until Croyle proves that he is better. Both have a great work ethic and plenty of desire from what I have seen/read.

Los Broncos

06-25-2007, 12:52 AM

[QUOTE=Bob's your Information Minister;1626419 foretelling Jay Cutler's coming injury.

Are you cum drunk?

Bob's your Information Minister

06-25-2007, 01:00 AM

Are you cum drunk?

Jay Cutler was sacked 13 times in five games last season. That equates to 42 sacks in a 16-game season. With no upgrades to the offensive line and a gimpy Lepsis hobbling around while Jared Allen blows past him, I'd be worried about Jay's health.

Los Broncos

06-25-2007, 01:02 AM

24champ

06-25-2007, 01:08 AM

http://rentabozo.com/pix/knee.jpg

Seriously Kahn where did you find that pic of Bradie Frayles knee.

SoCalBronco

06-25-2007, 01:08 AM

Jay Cutler was sacked 13 times in five games last season. That equates to 42 sacks in a 16-game season. With no upgrades to the offensive line and a gimpy Lepsis hobbling around while Jared Allen blows past him, I'd be worried about Jay's health.

Bob, that is a very deceptive statistic. You know just as well as anyone that anytime you have a rookie QB, the sack stats tend to be inflated because they are still in the process of acquiring pocket presence and they have to get used to anticipating just how much time they have back there. Once they get that clock in their head going, it changes everything....and that's a matter of reps and experience, so I don't think the problem is as severe as you have made it out to be. Actually, Cutler, as a former option QB is quite mobile so even with the OL issues, I expect him to avoid some sacks based on his elusiveness (and strength, see the Seattle game where he just threw a defender off his body). Obviously, he is nowhere near as elusive as Jake, but he is more than fine in that area.

Steve Sewell

06-25-2007, 01:17 AM

Paid off big for Portis too, set him up for life. Unfortunately for KC there are no more Champ Baileys out there to be had for a disgruntled RB.

Maybe Carl will pay Sundquist a few million to engineer a swindling of the Skins for him.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-25-2007, 01:18 AM

Bob, that is a very deceptive statistic. You know just as well as anyone that anytime you have a rookie QB, the sack stats tend to be inflated because they are still in the process of acquiring pocket presence and they have to get used to anticipating just how much time they have back there. Once they get that clock in their head going, it changes everything....and that's a matter of reps and experience, so I don't think the problem is as severe as you have made it out to be. Actually, Cutler, as a former option QB is quite mobile so even with the OL issues, I expect him to avoid some sacks based on his elusiveness (and strength, see the Seattle game where he just threw a defender off his body). Obviously, he is nowhere near as elusive as Jake, but he is more than fine in that area.

You better hope so.

Steve Sewell

06-25-2007, 01:19 AM

Bob's your Information Minister

06-25-2007, 01:20 AM

Jared's got all summer to rack up another doo-ey, no worries.

Jared has been sober for months.

Steve Sewell

06-25-2007, 01:22 AM

1) How can you confirm this?

2) Ever heard of relapse?

Bob's your Information Minister

06-25-2007, 01:23 AM

1) How can you confirm this?

2) Ever heard of relapse?

1) I believe what Jared says.

2) He won't have one. He's turned the corner.

SoCalBronco

06-25-2007, 01:24 AM

1) I believe what Jared says.

2) He won't have one. He's turned the corner.

Yeah...ok, dude. He was at that hick beerfest thing a few months ago with that infamous picture but now he's totally sober....right?

Steve Sewell

06-25-2007, 01:26 AM

1) I believe what Jared says.

2) He won't have one. He's turned the corner.

CASE CLOSED!

Bob's your Information Minister

06-25-2007, 01:27 AM

Yeah...ok, dude. He was at that hick beerfest thing a few months ago with that infamous picture but now he's totally sober....right?

Why are you referring to a picture that is two years old?

Steve Sewell

06-25-2007, 01:28 AM

Yeah...ok, dude. He was at that hick beerfest thing a few months ago with that infamous picture but now he's totally sober....right?

Care to share that pic? I haven't seen it but we might want to submit it here for evidence.

Steve Sewell

06-25-2007, 01:29 AM

What happens in River Falls...doesn't usually stay in River Falls.

SoCalBronco

06-25-2007, 01:33 AM

Care to share that pic? I haven't seen it but we might want to submit it here for evidence.

http://tennessean.com/galleries/2005/et/0611cmaday3/images/cma20.jpg

Steve Sewell

06-25-2007, 01:39 AM

http://tennessean.com/galleries/2005/et/0611cmaday3/images/cma20.jpg

Yeah, I believe in this man's word!

wabbit

06-25-2007, 01:50 AM

Oh, I see. So Cutler is completely proven after blowing a playoff berth last year? LJ is disgruntled? What a joke. And Herm? Herm? What is wrong with Herm exactly?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1&page=1031&sort=lastpost&order=desc&pp=25&daysprune=1000

"Thread Deleted By GoChiefs: Reason: Fire Germ Edwards"

"...drums keep pounding rythym to the brain...ladie dadie dee...ladie dadie dah...and the beat goes on (and the beat goes on)...and the beat goes on..."

SoCalBronco

06-25-2007, 01:54 AM

Owned

DenverBrit

06-25-2007, 02:11 AM

Jared has been sober for months. I have him handcuffed to the furnace in mom's basement.

Boob has a date. :curtsey:

Bob's your Information Minister

06-25-2007, 02:14 AM

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1&page=1031&sort=lastpost&order=desc&pp=25&daysprune=1000

"Thread Deleted By GoChiefs: Reason: Fire Germ Edwards"

"...drums keep pounding rythym to the brain...ladie dadie dee...ladie dadie dah...and the beat goes on (and the beat goes on)...and the beat goes on..."

Yeah, that makes sense. Congratulations on proving nothing.

wabbit

06-25-2007, 02:28 AM

Yeah, that makes sense. Congratulations on proving nothing.

The real hilarity...and I really mean you can squeal with laughter over this; I know I did... is that you actually went back deep in Chiefy World history to delete negative Herm threads you authored...well, we can only assume you authored... and even went so far as to change your user name to 'Lost In The Mail' within the threads you couldn't delete...ostensibly to 'throw those pesky detractors' off the track.

...of course, you leave behind your child-like avatar in your posts which ties it all to you, but I suppose that's a little too much heavy lifting for a mind like yours.

I gotta agree with Taco on this one...you are a laugh riot...endless entertainment.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-25-2007, 02:41 AM

Wow. That's quite a reach, wabbit.

The truth is, YOU CAN'T DELETE THREADS AT CHIEFSPLANET.

Furthermore, THE MODS CHANGED MY NAME.

The only conclusion is that you are completely ignorant, as usual.

wabbit

06-25-2007, 02:47 AM

Wow. That's quite a reach, wabbit.

The truth is, YOU CAN'T DELETE THREADS AT CHIEFSPLANET.

Furthermore, THE MODS CHANGED MY NAME.

The only conclusion is that you are completely ignorant, as usual.

Oh, Absolutely

24champ

06-25-2007, 02:49 AM

The real hilarity...and I really mean you can squeal with laughter over this; I know I did... is that you actually went back deep in Chiefy World history to delete negative Herm threads you authored...well, we can only assume you authored... and even went so far as to change your user name to 'Lost In The Mail' within the threads you couldn't delete...ostensibly to 'throw those pesky detractors' off the track.

...of course, you leave behind your child-like avatar in your posts which ties it all to you, but I suppose that's a little too much heavy lifting for a mind like yours.

I gotta agree with Taco on this one...you are a laugh riot...endless entertainment.
Probably on to something there wabbit, he went back to delete some of the threads he plagiarized after you exposed him last week.Hilarious!

Bob's your Information Minister

06-25-2007, 02:52 AM

Ring ring!

Hello?

Yes, this is 24champbailey, calling the ignorance awareness hotline. I'm concerned I'm afflicted and need confirmation.

We'll....hmmm...let's see, do you have a case study prepared?

Yes, please reference this post at the orange mane (sound of e-mail being sent).

Hmmm...yes, yes...I see. Oh, my. Oh dear. Yes. Well it appears you are, in fact, completely ignorant. Happy to help, sir.

24champ

06-25-2007, 02:58 AM

Bob where did you copy that from?

Florida_Bronco

06-25-2007, 02:59 AM

I see Wabbit the real sportswriter has made Blobo his bitch...again.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-25-2007, 03:06 AM

I see Wabbit the real sportswriter has made Blobo his b****...again.

It's quite the opposite.

wabbit

06-25-2007, 03:14 AM

...and the Lord saith..."let there be Bobo...and there was Bobo...and everyone steppeth in Bobo and said; "this is bad...really, really bad...stinks too."

Florida_Bronco

06-25-2007, 03:17 AM

...and the Lord saith..."let there be Bobo...and there was Bobo...and everyone steppeth in Bobo and said; "this is bad...really, really bad...stinks too."

Hilarious! ^5

theAPAOps5

06-25-2007, 04:41 AM

I love when Wabbit straight smacks Bitch tits. Its great

Florida_Bronco

06-25-2007, 10:09 AM

The real hilarity...and I really mean you can squeal with laughter over this; I know I did... is that you actually went back deep in Chiefy World history to delete negative Herm threads you authored...well, we can only assume you authored... and even went so far as to change your user name to 'Lost In The Mail' within the threads you couldn't delete...ostensibly to 'throw those pesky detractors' off the track.

...of course, you leave behind your child-like avatar in your posts which ties it all to you, but I suppose that's a little too much heavy lifting for a mind like yours.

I gotta agree with Taco on this one...you are a laugh riot...endless entertainment.

Bobo HATED the Herm Edwards hiring when it happened, but once he realized that he'd actually have to agree with us on his coach being a dumbass, he decided to homer out on him.

Bob's cycle is fairly predictable. A player/coach is usually hated until shortly after they join the Chiefs, then Bobo homers out on them until they are sent packing, at which point he lets it known how little he really liked them.

There are MULTIPLE examples of this on the mane.

Simply Red

06-25-2007, 04:13 PM

Oh it's coming. Trust me.

http://rentabozo.com/pix/knee.jpg

Oh. Ouch. You violated the Law of Karma. The Football Gods will not be happy. I feel for the member that is going to be the result of your poor posting decisions.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-25-2007, 04:17 PM

Bobo HATED the Herm Edwards hiring when it happened, but once he realized that he'd actually have to agree with us on his coach being a dumbass, he decided to homer out on him.

Bob's cycle is fairly predictable. A player/coach is usually hated until shortly after they join the Chiefs, then Bobo homers out on them until they are sent packing, at which point he lets it known how little he really liked them.

There are MULTIPLE examples of this on the mane.

You're full of **** again. Yes I hated Herm when he was hired, but I changed my tune around the start of the regular season because his first offseason was so great. He did nothing in the regular season to change my opinion.

As for the rest of your garbage post...go ahead and point out some examples. I'm guessing you can't because you're a punk bitch who runs his mouth and then runs off when asked to engage in serious debate. You scumbag.

DenverBrit

06-25-2007, 04:31 PM

Furthermore, THE MODS CHANGED MY NAME.

The only conclusion is that they think I'm a big dumba$$.

They show taste. :clown:

Bob's your Information Minister

06-25-2007, 04:38 PM

I asked for it, actually.

DenverBrit

06-25-2007, 04:56 PM

I asked for it, actually.

Every time you post here.

ZachKC

06-25-2007, 06:46 PM

As for the rest of your garbage post...go ahead and point out some examples. I'm guessing you can't because you're a punk b**** who runs his mouth and then runs off when asked to engage in serious debate. You scumbag.
As much as I hat GoChiefs and the way he acts on this board.

This particular post is spot on.

ZachKC

06-25-2007, 06:49 PM

Yeah...ok, dude. He was at that hick beerfest thing a few months ago with that infamous picture but now he's totally sober....right?

The picture that was on the Mane last year at latest?? :thumbs:

bronco militia

06-25-2007, 06:57 PM

that pic is from 2005

Kaylore

06-25-2007, 07:46 PM

Oh. Ouch. You violated the Law of Karma. The Football Gods will not be happy. I feel for the member that is going to be the result of your poor posting decisions.

Not really. I'm just pointing to precedent. Every back that has rushed for over 400 carries in a season has been injured the following year. Thereafter they are never the same and fade into nothingness. Look it up.

ZachKC

06-25-2007, 07:50 PM

Kaylore has all his eggs in one basket this offseason. Should be fun to look back at this summer of posting.

elsid13

06-25-2007, 07:51 PM

Not really. I'm just pointing to precedent. Every back that has rushed for over 400 carries in a season has been injured the following year. Thereafter they are never the same and fade into nothingness. Look it up.

Except for Eric Dickerson. But he had the strike shorten season following all those carries to recover. learned that from yahoo article today.

Bob's your Information Minister

06-25-2007, 07:54 PM

Every back that has rushed for over 400 carries in a season has been injured the following year.

This is incorrect.