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anthonypacino
06-18-2007, 02:34 AM
With Denver moving up in the 1st this year to grab Moss, I felt like we dropped the ball for next year. I wanted to do the deal that Dallas made, getting a top 5 and their own 1 next year. That kind of firepower would have allowed Denver to command the draft next year no matter what our season is like this year.

Darren McFadden will be the "Calvin Johnson" of next year's draft, the sure bet can't miss RB. He's more than hype as well, in fact if it wasn't for him ARK would have been in the toilet last year and now with their touted QB bailing on the team he IS the offense.

Glen Dorsey another can't miss DT he wouldv'e been the best DL last year if he had came out early. Huge stuffer in the middle, just like Bates uses. He could be devastating in a rotation with Warren, Thomas.

Vernon Gholston will lead the Big 10 in sacks this season and is a beast, I'm sure he will be a top 10 at worst.

And like many of you I know that tons of these 1st rounders are crap shoots at best and maybe the best thing about doing that deal could've been trading that top pick, or both for tons of picks spread out over the next few years.

So, with all that being said will Moss make the impact that would take away the sting of that once possible deal? If he becomes just a rotational situation guy would drafting Quinn and trading him have been a better option.

Florida_Bronco
06-18-2007, 02:39 AM
Wasn't it already determined that it would have been impossible for us to make that deal with Dallas?

anthonypacino
06-18-2007, 02:47 AM
Wasn't it already determined that it would have been impossible for us to make that deal with Dallas?We moved ahead of Cincy, Tenn, NYG by trading with Jax. We picked before Dallas before the trade to 17 from 21 for Moss. The deal would have been us drafting Quinn and trading him to the Browns for their 1st next year and others.

baja
06-18-2007, 02:50 AM
We moved ahead of Cincy, Tenn, NYG by trading with Jax. We picked before Dallas before the trade to 17 from 21 for Moss. The deal would have been us drafting Quinn and trading him to the Browns for their 1st next year and others.

Are you saying we had that opportunity and passed??

tsiguy96
06-18-2007, 02:54 AM
all i keep hearing is about how crowder is doing so well, moss is gonna have to show something soon or his pick would NOT have been worth it.

Requiem
06-18-2007, 03:00 AM
Denver decided to address their needs this year, rather than wait. However, I guess one could say, they could have still addressed their needs with their other selections, instead of trading away their 2007 third, 2008 third, along with three second day choices to land the two Florida lineman.

I know some people are skeptical in regards to if they'll start, but I think the investment the Broncos put in the players shows how much they think of them, and how they think they can contribute this year. I think all three guys can have productive seasons, but I don't want to read the bull**** people will put out of neither of the three start, and have just "average" rookie campaigns.

Denver probably would have done a deal had Moss not been there, however he was one of the three guys they were hoping for, and they did what they had to do to get him.

Sure, having the possibility of two first-rounders would have been nice, but who knows if Dallas' would have been high? You're assuming it. I don't think Dallas will be lights out, but they're not going to be nearly as bad as you think they are.

I think the potential Moss has is unlimited. He's the perfect, protoypical end for Jim Bates to groom. He has some question marks, but who doesn't? Bates' helped make Jason Taylor the player he is today, and had success with Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila as well. He may need a year or so, but Moss has what it takes to be a three-down player in the NFL and can terrorize quarterbacks. He's in a good situation.

Hindsight is 20/20. Who even knows if the rumored deal would have been possible? Next year is an extremely deep class, so having two first-rounders would have been nice. However, I can't fault the Broncos for doing what they thought was in their best interest, getting lineman now.

People were pissed when we never drafted lineman, and people are still pissed that we did, (after seeing our selections) - where I may think there could have been better alternatives, Jim Bates coming to Denver was a sign of big change. Pro-Bowl players were released, positions of players will change and the line has been revamped.

It's about damn time.

Denver has some extra picks coming this next year, if they want that all-star - they can sell the farm to get him. However, I'm perfectly happy with what we did, and I'm not going to bother with the "what could have beens" especially when this next draft hasn't even started, and that Moss, and the other selections haven't played a down.

OBF1
06-18-2007, 03:01 AM
All speculation. Are you Mel Kiper telling us how great college players are going to be a year from now?

cutthemdown
06-18-2007, 03:02 AM
all i keep hearing is about how crowder is doing so well, moss is gonna have to show something soon or his pick would NOT have been worth it.

They don't start hitting until training camp IMO. There is some contact at mini camp but not much. Let's wait until we see the depth chart take shape in august before we judge the rookies.

Atlas
06-18-2007, 03:08 AM
whose to say cleveland even approached denver about a trade?

With Denver moving up in the 1st this year to grab Moss, I felt like we dropped the ball for next year. I wanted to do the deal that Dallas made, getting a top 5 and their own 1 next year. That kind of firepower would have allowed Denver to command the draft next year no matter what our season is like this year.

Darren McFadden will be the "Calvin Johnson" of next year's draft, the sure bet can't miss RB. He's more than hype as well, in fact if it wasn't for him ARK would have been in the toilet last year and now with their touted QB bailing on the team he IS the offense.

Glen Dorsey another can't miss DT he wouldv'e been the best DL last year if he had came out early. Huge stuffer in the middle, just like Bates uses. He could be devastating in a rotation with Warren, Thomas.

Vernon Gholston will lead the Big 10 in sacks this season and is a beast, I'm sure he will be a top 10 at worst.

And like many of you I know that tons of these 1st rounders are crap shoots at best and maybe the best thing about doing that deal could've been trading that top pick, or both for tons of picks spread out over the next few years.

So, with all that being said will Moss make the impact that would take away the sting of that once possible deal? If he becomes just a rotational situation guy would drafting Quinn and trading him have been a better option.

Requiem
06-18-2007, 03:12 AM
Ah, you meant Cleveland sending us picks? Heh. Who knows. In that case, we'd have a high pick, but I don't remember them offering us anything.

JCMElway
06-18-2007, 03:48 AM
The trade was not offered to us. We were at 21, Dallas at 22. After one of our prospects went at 16, Shanny decided to go and get his guy. Cleveland did not start making serious calls until after we had moved up because the cost for 17 or 18 was too high, but the point values fell in line between 21 and 23. There may have been talk that the Browns wanted to get back in the first round, but if nothing was substantiated Shanny did the right thing by not letting Moss get away. What if he sticks around and the deal never goes through? What if Cleveland doesn't want to deal with an AFC team? Then you're stuck with a bad deal to move down or someone you're not crazy about at #21.

Bottom line, I think Shanny made the right call. It beats the "let's stay where we are and draft Willie Middlebrooks" days.

Besides, I find it hard to believe that Shanny would have passed on the Cleveland deal if it were offered to us.

crazyhorse
06-18-2007, 07:55 AM
With Denver moving up in the 1st this year to grab Moss, I felt like we dropped the ball for next year. I wanted to do the deal that Dallas made, getting a top 5 and their own 1 next year. That kind of firepower would have allowed Denver to command the draft next year no matter what our season is like this year.

Darren McFadden will be the "Calvin Johnson" of next year's draft, the sure bet can't miss RB. He's more than hype as well, in fact if it wasn't for him ARK would have been in the toilet last year and now with their touted QB bailing on the team he IS the offense.

Glen Dorsey another can't miss DT he wouldv'e been the best DL last year if he had came out early. Huge stuffer in the middle, just like Bates uses. He could be devastating in a rotation with Warren, Thomas.

Vernon Gholston will lead the Big 10 in sacks this season and is a beast, I'm sure he will be a top 10 at worst.

And like many of you I know that tons of these 1st rounders are crap shoots at best and maybe the best thing about doing that deal could've been trading that top pick, or both for tons of picks spread out over the next few years.

So, with all that being said will Moss make the impact that would take away the sting of that once possible deal? If he becomes just a rotational situation guy would drafting Quinn and trading him have been a better option.

What could have been?

No, he won't.

But then Denver threw thier whole draft this year and some of next year at just 4 players. So they weren't really looking for value anyway.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-18-2007, 08:16 AM
whose to say cleveland even approached denver about a trade?

Whoa, take a step back there. Cleveland had to have made that offer, if not, we wouldn't be discussing the same topic for the 12th time since the draft.

FWIW, I read over at CP when they were all asking what they would have done if KC had been been offered the deal, someone claime that Cleveland was not offering AFC teams the same deal. They were not willing to give their '08 1st to a conference opponent.

crazyhorse
06-18-2007, 08:37 AM
Whoa, take a step back there. Cleveland had to have made that offer, if not, we wouldn't be discussing the same topic for the 12th time since the draft.

FWIW, I read over at CP when they were all asking what they would have done if KC had been been offered the deal, someone claime that Cleveland was not offering AFC teams the same deal. They were not willing to give their '08 1st to a conference opponent.

Why wouldn't they trade to another AFC team? That doesn't make sense. Maybe another team in thier division, but surely not the entire AFC.

Tredici
06-18-2007, 08:40 AM
What could have been?

No, he won't.

But then Denver threw thier whole draft this year and some of next year at just 4 players. So they weren't really looking for value anyway.

Or they were looking for the value they got in the four players. Shanahan already stated from what was available in the positions they needed to fill there wasn't any point in drafting players who wouldn't make the team anyway.

It's a little soon to say that philosophy equals throwing away both this year and next year's draft. Unless you are the KC fan version of Ms Cleo.

As for this topic it was beat to death after the draft.

The trade Dallas did wasn't available to Denver. Get over it.

crazyhorse
06-18-2007, 08:52 AM
Or they were looking for the value they got in the four players. Shanahan already stated from what was available in the positions they needed to fill there wasn't any point in drafting players who wouldn't make the team anyway.

It's a little soon to say that philosophy equals throwing away both this year and next year's draft. Unless you are the KC fan version of Ms Cleo.

As for this topic it was beat to death after the draft.

The trade Dallas did wasn't available to Denver. Get over it.

To assume I have a problem with with Denver throwing 9 picks at 4 players is self serving at best.

Who is your inside source that says Denver would not have recieved the same offer had they not traded thier draft away? Just curious.

Finally, I am not the one who started the thread. I am simply one who responded to it. Much like yourself.

Tredici
06-18-2007, 10:00 AM
To assume I have a problem with with Denver throwing 9 picks at 4 players is self serving at best.

Who is your inside source that says Denver would not have recieved the same offer had they not traded thier draft away? Just curious.

Finally, I am not the one who started the thread. I am simply one who responded to it. Much like yourself.


This discussion has been well documented. If you want to see my take on it, go back and find it.

Nobody said you started a thread. Just your usual trolling with a response you can't back up at this time.

Cito Pelon
06-18-2007, 10:09 AM
With Denver moving up in the 1st this year to grab Moss, I felt like we dropped the ball for next year. I wanted to do the deal that Dallas made, getting a top 5 and their own 1 next year. That kind of firepower would have allowed Denver to command the draft next year no matter what our season is like this year.. . . . . ..

Next year will have to take care of itself. Moss was one of the prospects they wanted, they got him, now we'll just have to wait and see how it pans out.

If you want to speculate about what could have been, that's fine with me. It's possible something could have been arranged, but a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush I guess was the thinking at that time. The BBT may have panicked a bit, which is what I thought at the time. I thought Moss would have been available at 21 at the time the tradeup was made.

I don't mind judicious trading up in round one. I'm a little wary of trading down or trading out. It doesn't seem to work out all that well.

BTW, how's Swink working out for you? What do you think about this Pinon Canyon deal?

Drek
06-18-2007, 10:16 AM
With Denver moving up in the 1st this year to grab Moss, I felt like we dropped the ball for next year. I wanted to do the deal that Dallas made, getting a top 5 and their own 1 next year. That kind of firepower would have allowed Denver to command the draft next year no matter what our season is like this year.

So, with all that being said will Moss make the impact that would take away the sting of that once possible deal? If he becomes just a rotational situation guy would drafting Quinn and trading him have been a better option.

Funny, Cincy was in the division so I could see them not getting the offer, but the Giants, Titans, and Jags aren't (hell, two of them are in the NFC) and not a one of them took the supposed deal we could've made, not to mention we traded up directly after Green Bay was on the clock, before Cleveland was probably even considering making a move.

Its revisionist history. Unless you were in Cleveland's war room you don't even know if it was remotely possible. Most indications though seem to point towards them targeting KC as the next team that might take a QB and intentionally leap frogging them. That makes Dallas the ideal spot.

The question you're asking is basically would I have preferred Shanahan to sit on his hands hoping for a steal to fall in his lap, literally an hour and a half and five picks before this steal was possible, or do I like that he was aggressive when two of the three players we wanted were off the board earlier than expected and he made sure we brought home at least one of them?

I'll take the later. Its better to be proactive and get what you need instead of sitting on your hands praying for value regardless of its usefulness to you in round one. The best teams find a way to get value at need positions in the first, be that moving up, down, or where ever.

Also, after the draft Shanahan and Sundquist both said we had deals in place to move up for TWO first round picks if two of Timmons, Harrell, or Moss were available at 21. One such team we'd been in talks with was Dallas. Kinda implies Dallas made it clear their pick was up for trade before the draft even started, so unless you think the Cleveland staff is completely brainless they knew exactly where they could go for a deal.

RocBronc
06-18-2007, 10:24 AM
Whether we should have made the trade or not, there was an article on Si.com after the draft that detailed the Browns attempts to move up to get Quinn which documents that they called everyone starting round pick 14 on down to see if they could get up and take Quinn. So I don't think there should be any question on whether we could have had a deal like Dallas' or not. We definately could have...

crazyhorse
06-18-2007, 10:27 AM
This discussion has been well documented. If you want to see my take on it, go back and find it.

Nobody said you started a thread. Just your usual trolling with a response you can't back up at this time.

Who says I wanted to know your take? I asked for a credible source. My response was reasonable. It was an opinion. Your response was more for rep points than to state an actual opinion. Ms. Cleo told me so. ;)

cmhargrove
06-18-2007, 10:32 AM
Can we wait a year or two to judge this year's draft? That is the standard practice. Actually, I feel we will be really judging last year's class this year (Cutler, Scheffler, Marshall, Hixon, and in a funny way Walker).

1) The team stated clearly there were not many guys they thought would make the team, so they were going to package picks to move up. This made really good sense for the team.

2) It looks like we kicked ass in free agency, and we got most of the peices we needed there.

3) At the end of last season, we all were screaming for D-line help, which the team got.

Let's chill on this one, I think you will be more excited when training camp begins. These guys will find their spot, but it will not be given to them. Now, they have to compete against some more talented competition (after FA).

The Chiefs fan (Crazyhorse) is rightly pissed because his team did very little to solidify their future this year, they will be handing off their offense to Brodie Croyle, and they are about to mortgage their future on Larry Johnson. I would be a little pissed if I was a Chiefs fan, it's just not going to be their year.

Archer81
06-18-2007, 10:36 AM
If Moss, Crowder and Thomas make an impact in our ability to force a pass rush and get the defense off the field on 3rd down, then the picks were worth it. Wondering if Cleveland would have traded with us to maybe move back into the first round for the 21st pick is speculating on something we have no real information on. As far as we know, they contacted the cowboys only, and Dallas accepted the offer. If the players cleveland drafted flop, them moving around up and down the draft board like retarded chickens wont matter.


:Broncos:

cmhargrove
06-18-2007, 10:38 AM
BTW - Jarvis Moss is now a Bronco, its time to back him and not second guess. There are always what ifs, but now he wears the blue and orange. I don't know if i'm going to rush out and buy a Moss jersey yet, but he's our guy now, let's support him.

ZONA
06-18-2007, 11:18 AM
Have our daft picks even had their contracts done yet? You can't really see what a guy is made of until you get that done. I'm not saying they would dog it but let's just say that until I have signed on the dotted line, my arse is not going full tilt and risking injury until I sign my deal. So let's not judge where they are until they are signed and some hitting starts.

Rock Chalk
06-18-2007, 11:34 AM
Im sick of this topic.

Give it a rest people. You think that Shanahan would have done what he did if Cleveland offered Denver even remotely something like they gave Dallas? So, what could have been goes on the presumption that Shanahan is the worlds biggest idiot.

Which pretty much everyone knows, even stupid ass Chef fans, Shanny is no idiot. No GM/HC in their right mind would turn that down, not even Matt Millen. So its pretty obvious we were NEVER given the option so NOTHING could have been.

anthonypacino
06-19-2007, 07:10 PM
I just wanted to throw some football talk around. The only reason that possible deal intrigued me was for the fact that Shanny was reported to have been doing everything in his power to trade up for the #1 spot and get Calvin Johnson. But the team didn't have enough eggs in the basket. So just on the assumption that Johnson was "worth" everything Shanny was offering why wouldn't it have made sense to get the ammo to do it next year? All of those guys I mention will be Top 10 picks barring injury, McFadden will be a Heisman frontrunner. The other two are D-Lineman, Dorsey if he had came out probably would have been the 1st or 2nd lineman off the board.

I'm not saying Moss is a bust or that we dropped the ball on the deal, cause like I said in the first post all these guys are a roll of the dice. I know none of us can answer the question of what the team should have done for awhile now, just trying to stir up some disscussion.

bendog
06-19-2007, 07:29 PM
Are you trying to say anyone in next year's draft is in CJohnson's class?

Despite what the bolthead fan's would like to believe, with the coaching changes and Den's FA and draft, I'd think Den has hands down the best chance to win the division. Dullass pretty much threw in the towel after Romo flubbed it. NE made the best moves ... if Moss has anything left, but beyond that, Den is a better team than the one that went to the AFC championship two years ago.

No diss, but it's a real stale topic, and really one of speculation. Den went into the draft to improve the team. They wanted C.Johnson, but couldn't do it. I still think they tried for Hou, but the DE was taken already, so they sat back and did what they had to do to get one of the three guys they thought would help the team and was worth first round money, and then they moved up to get guys to fill the few open roster spots they knew they'd have. Criticizing that is sort of wierd. I mean IF a C.Johnson type is out there. A once in a decade player, ok.

bendog
06-19-2007, 07:30 PM
PS, Alec, just wait till you've been married for a hundred years. (-:

p7superfly
06-19-2007, 07:44 PM
With Denver moving up in the 1st this year to grab Moss, I felt like we dropped the ball for next year. I wanted to do the deal that Dallas made, getting a top 5 and their own 1 next year. That kind of firepower would have allowed Denver to command the draft next year no matter what our season is like this year.

Darren McFadden will be the "Calvin Johnson" of next year's draft, the sure bet can't miss RB. He's more than hype as well, in fact if it wasn't for him ARK would have been in the toilet last year and now with their touted QB bailing on the team he IS the offense.

Glen Dorsey another can't miss DT he wouldv'e been the best DL last year if he had came out early. Huge stuffer in the middle, just like Bates uses. He could be devastating in a rotation with Warren, Thomas.

Vernon Gholston will lead the Big 10 in sacks this season and is a beast, I'm sure he will be a top 10 at worst.

And like many of you I know that tons of these 1st rounders are crap shoots at best and maybe the best thing about doing that deal could've been trading that top pick, or both for tons of picks spread out over the next few years.

So, with all that being said will Moss make the impact that would take away the sting of that once possible deal? If he becomes just a rotational situation guy would drafting Quinn and trading him have been a better option.


I agree 150%.

We SERIOUSLY should have done the exact same deal - and it was on the table.

WoodMan
06-19-2007, 07:52 PM
What could have been?

No, he won't.

But then Denver threw thier whole draft this year and some of next year at just 4 players. So they weren't really looking for value anyway.

TROLL

Dedhed
06-19-2007, 08:05 PM
Wasn't it already determined that it would have been impossible for us to make that deal with Dallas?

Yes, it was. The deal was never offered to us because Cleveland knew that we had no interest in Quinn, and neither did Dallas. The earliest that Quinn would have gone off the board was after Dallas, and that's why the Browns went to them.

That deal was never on the table for us. EVER!

orange crusher
06-19-2007, 08:37 PM
I've thought about what could have possibly been too. However, I don't think Cleveland would have been willing to make any kind of offer for our pick until we were on the clock (and Quinn was still on the board). By sitting tight in our spot, someone could have jumped up to take Quinn AND Moss could have been off the board before our pick. Since both of Denver's other targets were already off the board, I don't think Shanny & Co. were willing to take that gamble. I'm also not so sure that we would have been offered the same deal that Dallas got. Dallas was their last chance to leap KC for Quinn so they may have gotten desperate at the last minute.

Kaylore
06-19-2007, 08:39 PM
Jarvis Moss made plays and he did so in his teams biggest games when they needed him. Every GM in the league will tell you why he should have been a first day pick. If you doubt, go back and watch him torture the Buckeyes.

Requiem
06-19-2007, 08:54 PM
"Big time players make big plays in big time games." - Sounds familiar, eh bud?

ward63
06-19-2007, 09:01 PM
I first thought that on draft day, but I honestly think that Romeo's fighting for his job and that he got the guy that'd probly been the #1 QB next year, this year. I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that the Browns do not finish last in the division, so the 'Girls are gonna have to package those picks to get up in the top 10 or so...if they're not ther ethemsevles.

azbroncfan
06-19-2007, 10:54 PM
With Denver moving up in the 1st this year to grab Moss, I felt like we dropped the ball for next year. I wanted to do the deal that Dallas made, getting a top 5 and their own 1 next year. That kind of firepower would have allowed Denver to command the draft next year no matter what our season is like this year.

Darren McFadden will be the "Calvin Johnson" of next year's draft, the sure bet can't miss RB. He's more than hype as well, in fact if it wasn't for him ARK would have been in the toilet last year and now with their touted QB bailing on the team he IS the offense.

Glen Dorsey another can't miss DT he wouldv'e been the best DL last year if he had came out early. Huge stuffer in the middle, just like Bates uses. He could be devastating in a rotation with Warren, Thomas.

Vernon Gholston will lead the Big 10 in sacks this season and is a beast, I'm sure he will be a top 10 at worst.

And like many of you I know that tons of these 1st rounders are crap shoots at best and maybe the best thing about doing that deal could've been trading that top pick, or both for tons of picks spread out over the next few years.

So, with all that being said will Moss make the impact that would take away the sting of that once possible deal? If he becomes just a rotational situation guy would drafting Quinn and trading him have been a better option.


Moss sucks and is a complete waste by shanny and hell they should of traded plummer to move up to get CJ and traded next years first for clevelands first. There you go.

Broncos_OTM
06-20-2007, 12:00 AM
With Denver moving up in the 1st this year to grab Moss, I felt like we dropped the ball for next year. I wanted to do the deal that Dallas made, getting a top 5 and their own 1 next year. That kind of firepower would have allowed Denver to command the draft next year no matter what our season is like this year.

Darren McFadden will be the "Calvin Johnson" of next year's draft, the sure bet can't miss RB. He's more than hype as well, in fact if it wasn't for him ARK would have been in the toilet last year and now with their touted QB bailing on the team he IS the offense.

Glen Dorsey another can't miss DT he wouldv'e been the best DL last year if he had came out early. Huge stuffer in the middle, just like Bates uses. He could be devastating in a rotation with Warren, Thomas.

Vernon Gholston will lead the Big 10 in sacks this season and is a beast, I'm sure he will be a top 10 at worst.

And like many of you I know that tons of these 1st rounders are crap shoots at best and maybe the best thing about doing that deal could've been trading that top pick, or both for tons of picks spread out over the next few years.

So, with all that being said will Moss make the impact that would take away the sting of that once possible deal? If he becomes just a rotational situation guy would drafting Quinn and trading him have been a better option.


Glen Doresey from everything i read is more of a Marcus Thomas type a pentrater who disrupts. the kid from texas is more of a two gapper.

Just because Dallas got the deal does not mean we would have .. the price for sure would have dropped. other wise i think Jacksonville trades out.

Rock Chalk
06-20-2007, 01:16 AM
I agree 150%.

We SERIOUSLY should have done the exact same deal - and it was on the table.

Yeah, it was on the table and Shanahan passed it up.

****in retarded.

crazyhorse
06-20-2007, 07:23 AM
TROLL

Listen, had the Chiefs spent 9 draft picks on 4 players in this years draft you wuould be saying the same thing. Fact is, the statement is reasonable no matter who says it.

Old Dude
11-19-2010, 07:50 AM
In hindsight, Crazyhorse: 1, the rest of us: 0

Rabb
11-19-2010, 08:28 AM
I can't wait for Moss to have a good game, then watch the idiots post threads about how stupid McD is for letting him go

Smiling Assassin27
11-19-2010, 08:34 AM
I can't wait for Moss to have a good game, then watch the idiots post threads about how stupid McD is for letting him go

Sadly, a 'good' game for Jar-Jar would be not cleating himself.

Rabb
11-19-2010, 08:42 AM
yeah I worded that pretty poorly/optimistically lol

you know it will happen though, one good outing and we won't hear the end of it

Old Dude
11-19-2010, 09:13 AM
Or, he may wind up on the roster of the Omaha Nighthawks:

http://www.ufl-football.com/omaha-nighthawks/player-roster

More than a few familiar names there ...

Beantown Bronco
11-19-2010, 10:02 AM
I love the list of guys the OP felt we were missing out on by going with Moss. Hardly a list of future Hall of Famers. Shows what a true crapshoot the draft can be and how there's no such thing as a "can't miss" guy.

Kaylore
11-19-2010, 11:04 AM
Or, he may wind up on the roster of the Omaha Nighthawks:

http://www.ufl-football.com/omaha-nighthawks/player-roster

More than a few familiar names there ...

:spit: So that's where all our crappy picks go to die!

baja
11-19-2010, 11:31 AM
wow lots of ex broncos there.

Kaylore
11-19-2010, 11:46 AM
Anthony Pacino was a good poster.

Old Dude
11-19-2010, 11:50 AM
wow lots of ex broncos there.

Ted Sundquist is their director of player personnel.

Taco John
11-19-2010, 11:52 AM
Anthony Pacino was a good poster.

Amen. Not so sure half the people here would like his take on McDaniels though.