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BroncoBuff
06-16-2007, 02:35 AM
Mike Malloy referred to this essay Thursday night on Air America, and it is very moving I think. It was written in 1999 by the Democratoc mayor of Tulsa, in deep-red Oklahoma. Malloy suggested everyone carry a copy in your wallet for those moments when the Republicans are talking loudly over you in a social setting:

Not too long ago, my wife and I attended a

TV football party in south Tulsa. With a lopsided score, the


conversation turned to a livelier subject -- politics. The

crowd was, of course, top-heavy with Republicans. With each

point expressed their faces became more flushed, eyes

bulging a little more and veins popping in their foreheads

as they railed against the liberal programs.


Finally a lone, liberal voice asked: "Will you people

name me one bill your party ever passed to help the working

man of this country?" The question created much din and

clamor, and someone sputtered, "Well, what have the

Democrats done?"


The liberal responded with a few programs and was

interrupted by howling and disdain. He noted that he had

not promised they would like the programs and he asked to

complete his statement -- a difficult task to ask of

Republicans.


He spoke of Social Security; Medicare-Medicaid; Peace

Corps; unemployment insurance; welfare (for the poor and

corporate); civil rights; student grant and loan programs;

safety laws (OSHA); environmental laws; prevailing wage

laws; right to collective bargaining (which brought about

paid medical insurance, paid vacations, pensions, etc.);

workers' compensation; Marshall Plan; flood-disaster

insurance; School Lunch Program; women's rights.


He spoke of the Fair Labor Standards Act, which

established a minimum wage, instituted child labor laws,

and set up time-and-a-half pay for over a 40-hour week.


He mentioned FHA-HUD with its public housing, urban

renewal and 44 million residential homes (before WWII

almost 70 percent of our nation were renters; by the 1970s

this had been reversed). And farm-conservation

subsidies -- USDA programs, Farmers Home Administration (the

bankers didn't want to make rural loans), small

flood-control lakes (more than 3,000 in Oklahoma alone),

rural water districts, rural electricity (REA).


The GI Bill was passed, which the Republicans at the

time bitterly opposed. They were salivating over millions

of returning veterans to hire as cheap labor. More than 8

million have used college benefits, creating millions of

entrepreneurs; most of us had never dreamed of college. For

the unemployed GI, there was $20 a week for 52 weeks to

help get started (a lot of money in those days). The

Veterans Administration provided more than 2 million home

loans.


For the bankers at the football party, it was pointed

out that the liberals saved their industry with the

creation of FDIC and FSLIC, insuring their deposits, and

saved Wall Street with the establishment of the Securities

Exchange Commission.


The oil men came on bended knees to FDR at a time when

East Texas oil was 4 cents a barrel and begged him to save

their industry. He did; prorationing overturned the rule of

capture and the days of flush production were over.

Prorating has served this great industry (and nation)

well.


And the list went on and on, but of course this group

didn't let him get halfway through. He noted they were

weary, inattentive, so again he challenged them to offer up

any Republican legislation examples.


"I'm sure your party has authored one or two comparable

bills from time to time, but I can't think of any, and

apparently you can't either. What it boils down to is this:

the liberals dragged you into the 20th century scratching

and screaming with your heels in the mud, fighting anything

that's progressive, everything that's made this country

great. You Republicans have never understood that the

spending power of blue-collar workers, obtained through

Democrats and unions, is what really made this country

great. You really believe "The Good Life" was obtained from

your own endeavors. You cloak your greed in religion and

patriotism, railing against any form of tax, never

comprehending that these programs have benefited all of us

and our country."


Well, I almost didn't make it out of the house. My wife

and I didn't even get to see the end of the football game.




Powerful stuff, eh?

Written by former Tulsa mayor CLINT GOLD on Oct. 24, 1999.

http://www.zumper.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31405

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
06-16-2007, 02:44 AM
That just f*@king ROCKS, dude.

Awesome find! :thumbsup: ^5

epicSocialism4tw
06-16-2007, 03:09 AM
That just f*@king ROCKS, dude.

Awesome find! :thumbsup: ^5

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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
06-16-2007, 03:11 AM
Heck yea, bro. Sraight up rippin'. That sweeps the leg, bro. ^5

This is how we roll!!!!! Slip a little skin in celebration there, sistas! ^5


Translation:

"Don't criticize Dubya or God's Own Party!"

BroncoBuff
06-16-2007, 03:15 AM
Hahahaha!

I used to kinda dislike Mike Malloy - his yelling, but he's grown on me. ^5




Hey llama - :curtsey:

spdirty
06-16-2007, 04:48 PM
I thought AA ****canned Malloy...Huh, I might have to listen to him again...he's the only one on there thats mildly entertaining.

Cito Pelon
06-16-2007, 07:38 PM
This would be a Third World country if Conservatives had their way in the past. Certainly Liberals have made this country what it is. What are now accepted as dang good ideas were fought tooth and nail by Conservatives. The same howling and teeth-gnashing we see now, the same chicken-little the sky is falling howls about woe, doom, end of society as we know it baloney.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
06-16-2007, 07:41 PM
This would be a Third World country if Conservatives had their way in the past. Certainly Liberals have made this country what it is. What are now accepted as dang good ideas were fought tooth and nail by Conservatives.

True that is.

The author nailed it when he said liberals dragged the rightards kicking and screaming into the 20th century.

:~ohyah!:

broncos_mtnman
06-16-2007, 09:20 PM
I think you're confusing "democrat" with "socialist."

Hilarious!

mhgaffney
06-16-2007, 10:48 PM
Well well a fellow Okie.

Yes there was a time long ago when the Dems were a populist party and they did some progressive things,

But those days are long gone. Don't expect much from the current crop of candidates.

Only Gravel and Kucinich fall into the populist category and they have no chance.

BroncoBuff
06-17-2007, 02:30 AM
I thought AA ****canned Malloy...Huh, I might have to listen to him again...he's the only one on there thats mildly entertaining.
Yes, AA did fire him ... but he's syndicated now, and back on 1090 in Seattle at night, I think 8-midnight.

AirAmerica is not the only provider of Progressive radio shows. The 'Nova M' Network syndicates Malloy now, and another network syndicates the Stephanie Miller Show and Ed Schultz. Most AA affiliates pick up a couple of these.

I really really love Stephanie Miller, her voice impressionist is an amazing talent, but Rachel Maddow is the really sharp one. Stiletto sharp. Thom Hartmann is good, but when he doesn't know something, he fudges it, and that bugs me.

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Spider
06-17-2007, 11:50 AM
Yes, AA did fire him ... but he's syndicated now, and back on 1090 in Seattle at night, I think 8-midnight.

AirAmerica is not the only provider of Progressive radio shows. The 'Nova M' Network syndicates Malloy now, and another network syndicates the Stephanie Miller Show and Ed Schultz. Most AA affiliates pick up a couple of these.

I really really love Stephanie Miller, her voice impressionist is an amazing talent, but Rachel Maddow is the really sharp one. Stiletto sharp. Thom Hartmann is good, but when he doesn't know something, he fudges it, and that bugs me.

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Alex Bennett , Stephanie Miller aka Momma and the Mooks , Ed Schultz , then I flip it over to John Gibson , Alan Combs , and sometimes Fox acrossed America Spencer Hughes ......... No one has on air Melt downs like Gibby though , Spence does come close ;D

Rigs11
06-17-2007, 05:30 PM
Heck yea, bro. Sraight up rippin'. That sweeps the leg, bro. ^5

This is how we roll!!!!! Slip a little skin in celebration there, sistas! ^5
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/high-five_290x359.jpg

sore loser

mhgaffney
06-17-2007, 07:48 PM
Bronco Buff -- the more I think about this thread the more I think you are living in the past.

This is NOT a time for nostalgia -- but rather -- a time for sober awakening -- and trying to figure out how in the hell we are going to get out of the deep mess we are now in.

Need I remind you that the Democratic Congress has failed the nation? The people voted last November to end this war. Yet, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary, and the other Dems (with a couple of notable exceptions) are more complcit than ever.

The Democraps today are almost as bad as the Repukes.

If we fail to hold our leaders accountable - be assured the rest of the world will hold ALL Americans (you and me) responsible for what is now happening.

It's both a tragedy and a travesty --

mhgaffney
06-17-2007, 08:01 PM
A further point:

Recent events show that America's so-called two party system is a fraud. The many nations around the world with a true MULTI party system are now ahead of us. The Parliamentary approach has its weaknesses, to be sure. I am the first to admit it. However, its great strength is that it allows the most progressive element to be heard -- and to become a swing force - hence more powerful than numbers alone would suggest.

Because of the unprecedented corruption in America today we no longer even have a two party system. We have one party system that runs the nation: I refer to the military-industrial complex, as Ike described it back in 1960. But call it what you will. John Perkins refers to it as the "corporatocracy."

It amounts to the same thing. This lone party has two wings, the Democraps and Repukes -- that do its bidding.

This is what America has become. The question is: what are we going to do about it?

Nostalgic remeniscing does not help us at this point -- but actually hurts -- because it diverts attention from the real issues.

God knows there are enough Americans already in denial. Should we join them? No, I think we should try and awaken them. MHG

cutthemdown
06-17-2007, 11:31 PM
A further point:

Recent events show that America's so-called two party system is a fraud. The many nations around the world with a true MULTI party system are now ahead of us. The Parliamentary approach has its weaknesses, to be sure. I am the first to admit it. However, its great strength is that it allows the most progressive element to be heard -- and to become a swing force - hence more powerful than numbers alone would suggest.

Because of the unprecedented corruption in America today we no longer even have a two party system. We have one party system that runs the nation: I refer to the military-industrial complex, as Ike described it back in 1960. But call it what you will. John Perkins refers to it as the "corporatocracy."

It amounts to the same thing. This lone party has two wings, the Democraps and Repukes -- that do its bidding.

This is what America has become. The question is: what are we going to do about it?

Nostalgic remeniscing does not help us at this point -- but actually hurts -- because it diverts attention from the real issues.

God knows there are enough Americans already in denial. Should we join them? No, I think we should try and awaken them. MHG

This might be the first time I have agreed with you. I've been saying for a long time the democrats and republicans aren't very different. They might seem to be because they want you to think you have 2 clear choices. Fact is that not much changes regardless of whose in power.

BroncoBuff
06-18-2007, 02:19 AM
Bronco Buff -- the more I think about this thread the more I think you are living in the past.

Well, I didn't write it.

What I DID write was a letter to my Senator here in Washington Scoop Jackson, with a copy of that article to see if he agrees with the message. If he does, I'll forward a copy to president Nixon to see what he thinks.

mhgaffney
06-18-2007, 09:21 AM
Has there been any social progress in America in the last 25 years? We had female suffrage early in the twentieth century. Then we had the labor movement and social security in the 1930s. We had the civil rights movement n the 50s-60s and the free speech movement. We had the feminist movement and the environmental movement in the 70s. Carter also made some progress toward a Middle East peace settlement.

But what can you point to since then as an accomplishment? It looks to me that since Reagan America has mved steadily backward. Many of the gaisn made have actually been lost. We ceased to be an honest broker and instead lined up behnd Isarel -- right or wrong -- and unfortunately mostly wrong.

The Amercan middle class has lost ground. We've seen the extreme concentratioon of wealth -- and in the 90s under a Democratic administration this culminated in the corporate take over -- full monopolizatin of the media.

It's why radio as declined -- anyone heard any great jazz lately? No it's all canned music now. And that's the least of it. Even NPR went to the right.

Today there's hardly any difference between CNN and FOX. There is no populist network. As Michio Kaku said: "A free press is great -- if you happen to own one."

Clinton fumbled the ball after the old War -- allowed the pentagon and national labs to continue nuclear weapons development and the militarization of space -- when he should have given the labs a new mission: solve the energy crisis - with a clean and abundant renewable alternative.

It was only a small step from Clinton to Bush.

Garcia Bronco
06-18-2007, 10:19 AM
It's amusing to see people claim credit for things that really aren't their's to claim credit. It's called stealing. I believe.

Spider
06-18-2007, 10:21 AM
Well, I didn't write it.

What I DID write was a letter to my Senator here in Washington Scoop Jackson, with a copy of that article to see if he agrees with the message. If he does, I'll forward a copy to president Nixon to see what he thinks.
:rofl:

Spider
06-18-2007, 10:22 AM
It's amusing to see people claim credit for things that really aren't their's to claim credit. It's called stealing. I believe.

you also believe a tornado is on the same level as a human doing evil ...... we know where your thinking leads to

TailgateNut
06-18-2007, 10:27 AM
It's amusing to see people claim credit for things that really aren't their's to claim credit. It's called stealing. I believe.


Whaat the **** are you jabbering about this morning?

Garcia Bronco
06-18-2007, 10:55 AM
Whaat the **** are you jabbering about this morning?

the idea that this country is where it is because of either a: Democrats or b: Republicans. It's where it is inspite of those two diseased factions.

Spider
06-18-2007, 11:06 AM
the idea that this country is where it is because of either a: Democrats or b: Republicans. It's where it is inspite of those two diseased factions.

LOL Politicians of either party didnt have a direct effect on the outcome of America hey ...... LALA land is looking for a mayor GB ....... you would be a great candidate ;D

Cito Pelon
06-18-2007, 11:07 AM
This might be the first time I have agreed with you. I've been saying for a long time the democrats and republicans aren't very different. They might seem to be because they want you to think you have 2 clear choices. Fact is that not much changes regardless of whose in power.

Well, you have to watch politicians very, very carefully no matter what colors they wear. People that aspire to leadership positions are usually Napoleonic at heart. They have to be slapped around here and there to bring them down to earth.