Iran caught giving weapons to taliban

[Spider]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/06/document_iran_c.html

[Hotrod]

We've known its happening for along time. Not so much the taliban but the iraqi's. Iran even hates the Taliban but hates us more. Now it will be interesting to see what we do with the information. I think it might be time to break out the mini-nukes.

[Smiling Assassin27]

we're in a proxy war with Iran that could escalate into a real one soon. there are reports that we're bankrolling Islamic militants to bring down Ahmadinejad and iran is bankrolling militants to bring down Iraq. why Pelosi isn't pushing forward with that resolution that she pulled down earlier-- declaring that nothing in current law authorizes Bush to engage in a pre-emptive war with Iran--is beyond me. Hell, both parties' candidates are saying, 'all options are on the table'!

Iran isn't a threat to US security, so if Pelosi and the Dems let Bush be the decision maker on Iran, they need to take the blame, IMO.

[clarkster]

i tend to disagree. i think iran is very much a threat to US security. not that id advocate a war with them at this time, however, it could very well be a reality that takes shape in the near future.
i doubt very seriously that in light of our present situation, and after the fact, anyone would let bush do anything involving war, iran, or anywhere else.
butto assume that iran is not a threat i think is setting ourselves up for disaster.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Really? They have no navy or air force that can stand American offensives for even 24 hours, no missile that can reach us, no atom bomb, no adequate missile defense. They haven't started a war since 1979 and haven't attacked a country in recent history. (Saddam started the Iran-Iraq debacle)

Their leader talks tough but they really pose no threat to US. I'm not talking about the region, i'm talking about a threat to the United States.

[atomicbloke]

Really? They have no navy or air force that can stand American offensives for even 24 hours, no missile that can reach us, no atom bomb, no adequate missile defense. They haven't started a war since 1979 and haven't attacked a country in recent history. (Saddam started the Iran-Iraq debacle)

Their leader talks tough but they really pose no threat to US. I'm not talking about the region, i'm talking about a threat to the United States.

You are forgetting one thing.

According to Ahmadinejad, if 100,000 Iranian civilians are killed in exchange for 3,000 lives of American soldiers, he will still be perceived to have won by his cronies.

He doesn't give a damn for the lives of his own countrymen as long as he can considerable damage on America.

[Hotrod]

I dont like the way these guys play. I think we should take our guns and go home.

[Garcia Bronco]

You are forgetting one thing.

According to Ahmadinejad, if 100,000 Iranian civilians are killed in exchange for 3,000 lives of American soldiers, he will still be perceived to have won by his cronies.

He doesn't give a damn for the lives of his own countrymen as long as he can considerable damage on America.

I was watching a PBS special on the 6 day war a few days back...and I have come to the conclusion that the arab world leaders are generally stupid and liars.

[clarkster]

Really? They have no navy or air force that can stand American offensives for even 24 hours, no missile that can reach us, no atom bomb, no adequate missile defense. They haven't started a war since 1979 and haven't attacked a country in recent history. (Saddam started the Iran-Iraq debacle)

Their leader talks tough but they really pose no threat to US. I'm not talking about the region, i'm talking about a threat to the United States.

well, its a 6 degree thing to me.
first off id like to say that the old mindset that a strong military is required to be a threat has pretty much been proven innaccurate. OBL, and others have proven that. in fact the sooner the military/politicians see that, see that this isnt a conventional war that we may never see another conventional war again and start planning and fighting accordingly, the sooner we/the world, can get a foothold on the war on terror.

all reasonable intelligence leads us to believe that theres no threat, but i think that in itself is reason to believe they are(maybe if not yet, will be very soon)

the only thing needed to make a country/faction a threat to me is an inspired leader and an idea.
the "fact" that theyre bankrolling as it was put, our enemy(legitimate enemy) and arming the very root of terrorism in the present day makes them a threat. all terrorists need to succeed is time, and money. the rest will all be provided by us.

[clarkster]

I was watching a PBS special on the 6 day war a few days back...and I have come to the conclusion that the arab world leaders are generally stupid and liars.

perhaps, and you can also add fanatical, arrogant, extreme

all of which lead to very dangerous individuals. now add money, and inspiration.

[Smiling Assassin27]

well, its a 6 degree thing to me.
first off id like to say that the old mindset that a strong military is required to be a threat has pretty much been proven innaccurate. OBL, and others have proven that. in fact the sooner the military/politicians see that, see that this isnt a conventional war that we may never see another conventional war again and start planning and fighting accordingly, the sooner we/the world, can get a foothold on the war on terror.

all reasonable intelligence leads us to believe that theres no threat, but i think that in itself is reason to believe they are(maybe if not yet, will be very soon)

the only thing needed to make a country/faction a threat to me is an inspired leader and an idea.
the "fact" that theyre bankrolling as it was put, our enemy(legitimate enemy) and arming the very root of terrorism in the present day makes them a threat. all terrorists need to succeed is time, and money. the rest will all be provided by us.

that standard for determining what is and is not an 'enemy' seems pretty arbitrary. toss in some politicians and it becomes arbitrary and dangerous. the fact is that you can make EVERY nation a threat but you still have to deal with the varying degrees of threat. do we bomb every 'threat' on the planet? Russia's a threat, Cuba's a threat, China's a threat, Korea's a threat, Mexico's a threat, Venezuela, et al. Iran, IMO, is not a direct threat to the US. They have terrorism ties, I grant that, but the threat everyone is speaking about is the nuclear threat of Iran, not their terror links and most reports claim they're still 10 years away from the bomb, 3 at the least. It's congress' job to find out the truth, not just let Bush drive the bus. of course, they've already shown they'd prefer that more American soldiers die so they can gain more seats.

[Denver Crush]

perhaps, and you can also add fanatical, arrogant, extreme

all of which lead to very dangerous individuals. now add money, and inspiration.


****, you can say the same thing for the Bush Regime. Please.

[enjolras]

Really? They have no navy or air force that can stand American offensives for even 24 hours, no missile that can reach us, no atom bomb, no adequate missile defense. They haven't started a war since 1979 and haven't attacked a country in recent history. (Saddam started the Iran-Iraq debacle)

Their leader talks tough but they really pose no threat to US. I'm not talking about the region, i'm talking about a threat to the United States.


A nuclear Iran certainly raises the stakes tho doesn't it?

[Hotrod]

A nuclear Iran certainly raises the stakes tho doesn't it?

A nuclear Iran that is currently working on a contract with N. Korea to purchase some long range missles raises the stakes even more.

[Garcia Bronco]

****, you can say the same thing for the Bush Regime. Please.

No where even close. Have more respect for your country than that.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

No where even close. Have more respect for your country than that.Why? Has Iran invaded and conducted police actions on anyone lately?

[Hotrod]

Why? Has Iran invaded and conducted police actions on anyone lately?

If they could do it to Israel they would in a heart beat.

[Rigs11]

No where even close. Have more respect for your country than that.

Criticizing your goverment for screwing up IS having respect for your country. When are you going to realize the deifference between country and goverment?

[Meck77]

Why? Has Iran invaded and conducted police actions on anyone lately?

So Iran is providing explosives to kill Americans and you are ok with this? Unbelievable

[Bronco_Beerslug]

So Iran is providing explosives to kill Americans and you are ok with this? UnbelievableYour reading comprehension in full swing again. Take the Bush blinders off and read it again.

[Meck77]

Garcia "Have more respect for your country"
Slug "Has Iran invaded or conducted any police actions on anyone lately"

Translation of your post. You are defending Iran's actions because they haven't directly killed Americans with an invasion or police action while ignoring the fact that they were caught red handed supplying our enemy in Afghanistan which IS killing Americans.

The way I see it. Iran supplying Taliban=Iran killing Americans. It's that simple. So please help me comprehend your defense of Iran's actions.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Garcia "Have more respect for your country"
Slug "Has Iran invaded or conducted any police actions on anyone lately"

Translation of your post. You are defending Iran's actions because they haven't directly killed Americans with an invasion or police action while ignoring the fact that they were caught red handed supplying our enemy in Afghanistan which IS killing Americans.

The way I see it. Iran supplying Taliban=Iran killing Americans. It's that simple. So please help me comprehend your defense of Iran's actions.Bull****! I'm pointing out our government sucks, not our country, got it?

[Rascal]

Garcia didn't say have respect for the government, he said your country. Hence the translation is correct.

[TheDave]

So let me get this straight... Some arab country is seeking a nuclear weapon and is funding "The Taliban"... Where have i heard this one before?

[Spider]

So let me get this straight... Some arab country is seeking a nuclear weapon and is funding "The Taliban"... Where have i heard this one before?

silly man , Iran is helping the Taliban , therefor we need to invade Burundi and damn fast .......... the leader of Burundi was caught trying to get Yellow cake of off Saddam Hussien ..........Mushroom Cloud , go boom ..............

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Garcia didn't say have respect for the government, he said your country. Hence the translation is correct.Garcia tried to use " I love America" (as he always does) to defend Bush so no, he was saying have respect for the Bush cartel. Hence the erroneous "translation".
So let me get this straight... Some arab country is seeking a nuclear weapon and is funding "The Taliban"... Where have i heard this one before?I'm sure the Bush cartel will straighten you out before long on that.

[Garcia Bronco]

Garcia tried to use " I love America" (as he always does) to defend Bush so no, he was saying have respect for the Bush cartel. Hence the erroneous "translation".
I'm sure the Bush cartel will straighten you out before long on that.

To compare our government/country and the freedoms we all share to that of a fundamentalist government dictatorship hell built on obtaining nuclear weapons to "remove Isreal" from the map is disrespectful. To compare our leaders to those that snookered the middle eastern population into war with Isreal is dubious. If you dislike the government/country that much...you should head on out and see if you can make a better life elsewhere, because frankly....we don't need you.

[Hotrod]

To compare our government/country and the freedoms we all share to that of a fundamentalist government dictatorship hell built on obtaining nuclear weapons to "remove Isreal" from the map is disrespectful. To compare our leaders to those that snookered the middle eastern population into war with Isreal is dubious. If you dislike the government/country that much...you should head on out and see if you can make a better life elsewhere, because frankly....we don't need you.

Oh thats not gonna go over well Ha!

[Garcia Bronco]

whats this we shít ? got a mouse in your pocket ?
BB doesnt need me to stick up for him , but you crossed the line ..BB served this country and was a productive member of society by holding down a job and paying his taxes ...........No different then me telling D man to haul ass to a country that doesnt allow dissent........

Whatever dude...he supports Iran over his own country. It's treason. Benedict Arnold served his country too.

[Spider]

Whatever dude...he supports Iran over his own country. It's treason. Benedict Arnold served his country too.

only in your mind , he is dissing those in our government and their policy's.......he isnt even dissin our system of government ...........just those with idiotic ideas ..........

[Rascal]

only in your mind , he is dissing those in our government and their policy's.......he isnt even dissin our system of government ...........just those with idiotic ideas ..........

Not his mind alone, as I didn't think Garcia was talking about the government either since he didn't even mention it. You had to assume he was, which according to BB comments he did (assume that is).

[Spider]

Not his mind alone, as I didn't think Garcia was talking about the government either since he didn't even mention it. You had to assume he was, which according to BB comments he did (assume that is).
the rest of what Garcia said I didnt even care , but Garcia did say this To compare our government/country
No assuming to it

[Garcia Bronco]

only in your mind , he is dissing those in our government and their policy's.......he isnt even dissin our system of government ...........just those with idiotic ideas ..........

"Bull****! I'm pointing out our government sucks, not our country, got it?"

In a thread about Iran funding terrorism in Afganistan...he is supporting the actions of Iran against his own countrymen.

[Garcia Bronco]

The words Governemnt and Country in this context are the same...and always would be...unless we're talking about landscape.

[Garcia Bronco]

So Iran is providing explosives to kill Americans and you are ok with this? Unbelievable

It's not really so unbelivable, is it?

[Rascal]

the rest of what Garcia said I didnt even care , but Garcia did say this
No assuming to it

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1609144&postcount=15

This is what Garcia said that set off the argument. He didn't say government till later. So yes BB did assume Garcia was saying that when he made his comment. Accurate or not, he did assume it.

[Spider]

Post # 15 and BB post ........ you did say country Garcia this country is not GW Bush ........ Not even close ........ you jumped the gun Garcia

[Spider]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1609144&postcount=15

This is what Garcia said that set off the argument. He didn't say government till later. So yes BB did assume Garcia was saying that when he made his comment. Accurate or not, he did assume it.
and thats my point , this Administration is not this country , BB was clearly dissing Bush Not America ....... the Garcia answered with get out we dont need you ........

[Spider]

The way I see it. Iran supplying Taliban=Iran killing Americans. It's that simple. So please help me comprehend your defense of Iran's actions.

there is no defense of it Meck ,and we should stop it , but it is nothing new either , we have done it , and others have done it to us , this is what happens when you have military contractors , China supported N. Korea and N.Viet Nam , we supported Britain , Iraq`against Iran , we supported Israel in every little adventure they have had , now all of the sudden this bites us in the ass and we are high and mighty over it ? yes it sucks , but what goes around comes around

[Rascal]

Clearly?

How do you get Bush administration anywhere from his comment since neither Garcia or BB mentioned it? The only way you can is by reading forward when he answers my post by stating he was talking about Bush and not the country.

"Have more respect for your country than that. "

"Why? Has Iran invaded and conducted police actions on anyone lately?"

Nowhere is Bush, the government, or the sort mentioned.

[Rascal]

there is no defense of it Meck ,and we should stop it , but it is nothing new either , we have done it , and others have done it to us , this is what happens when you have military contractors , China supported N. Korea and N.Viet Nam , we supported Britain , Iraq`against Iran , we supported Israel in every little adventure they have had , now all of the sudden this bites us in the ass and we are high and mighty over it ? yes it sucks , but what goes around comes around

That isn't the point.

The point was that BB has more respect for Iran's government then ours when they are purposely trying to kill our soldiers.

That would be like supporting Stalin over Truman because you disagreed with Truman's administration.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Criticizing your goverment for screwing up IS having respect for your country. When are you going to realize the deifference between country and goverment?

Yep.

Why do Garcia and so many other bush backers always seem to equate patriotism with blind obedience to authority?

[Spider]

Clearly?

How do you get Bush administration anywhere from his comment since neither Garcia or BB mentioned it? The only way you can is by reading forward when he answers my post by stating he was talking about Bush and not the country.

"Have more respect for your country than that. "

"Why? Has Iran invaded and conducted police actions on anyone lately?"

Nowhere is Bush, the government, or the sort mentioned.
Man you need to lay off the drugs or quit drinking Ditch water ........ After BB said Bush , Garcia kept up with the same line and then told BB to get out of the country ... I didnt jump in until that point , so go bark up some other tree kiddo , you are backing the wrong horse on this one

[Spider]

That isn't the point.

The point was that BB has more respect for Iran's government then ours when they are purposely trying to kill our soldiers.

That would be like supporting Stalin over Truman because you disagreed with Truman's administration.

No it isnt , BB said Bush , Garcia tried to say country and government are the same .......... you dont have a leg to stand on here ........

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

we're in a proxy war with Iran that could escalate into a real one soon.

Or not.

You could look back on Vietnam as sort of a proxy war with Russia and communist China to some extent.

[Hotrod]

I'd just like to add I was a bit worried the OM would be slow this afternoon.

[Rascal]

Yep.

Why do Garcia and so many other bush backers always seem to equate patriotism with blind obedience to authority?

Personally I've never equated those, but I think it's better to have blind obedience to our government then support Iran's government.

I don't question the fact that the Bush administration is horrible and I pray for the day he is no longer our President, but I will never have more respect/support a foreign government, especially one that is trying to help kill our soldiers, over our own.

[Rascal]

Man you need to lay off the drugs or quit drinking Ditch water ........ After BB said Bush , Garcia kept up with the same line and then told BB to get out of the country ... I didnt jump in until that point , so go bark up some other tree kiddo , you are backing the wrong horse on this one

OMG...I never said anything about Garcia's response. I was talking only about Garcia's initial comment and BB's response.

[Rascal]

No it isnt , BB said Bush , Garcia tried to say country and government are the same .......... you dont have a leg to stand on here ........

He said it after my question, which was my point.

I'm not arguing about it anymore, it's over semantics and I have no interest in arguing over something so meaningless.

[Spider]

OMG...I never said anything about Garcia's response. I was talking only about Garcia's initial comment and BB's response.

and this is why I am accusing you of drinking ditch water , BB went and made clear his intent of his comment , Garcia kept on the same line , then told me Government and Country are the same in this context ......... not really that hard to figure out