View Full Version : Bush declars cold war over ........
Spider
06-05-2007, 11:44 AM
thats a relief ...............
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Bush_says_Cold_War_over_Russia_not__06052007.html
Bush says Cold War over, Russia 'not enemy'
AFP
Published: Tuesday June 5, 2007
US President George W. Bush declared Tuesday that the Cold War has ended and Russia was "not our enemy" and should not be concerned about the extension of the US anti-missile shield in Europe.
"The Cold War is over. It ended. People in the Czech Republic do not have to choose between being friends of the US or friends of Russia. You can be both," Bush said during a joint press conference with Czech President Vaclav Klaus and Premier Mirek Topolanek.
"We do not believe in this zero sum world. We do not believe that one should force a country to choose," Bush added.
Bush said that he would assure Russian President Vladimir Putin that "Russia is not our enemy." Missile defence was a purely defensive measure "aimed not at Russia but at true threats," he said.
The US president said that Washington and Moscow could work together to achieve common objectives. "One objective is to safeguard free nations from the possibility of a missile attack launched from a rogue regime. That is a true threat to peace."
That message would be delivered at the G8 summit in Germany starting on Wednesday and later when Putin visits the US, Bush said.
The US proposal to site a tracking radar on Czech soil as part of its extended missile defence shield was one of the main issues broached during the talks.
Hotrod
06-05-2007, 11:50 AM
Well if the man says a war is over who are we to not believe him Ha!
Did he by any chance fly himself in to make the announcement.
Spider
06-05-2007, 11:57 AM
Well if the man says a war is over who are we to not believe him Ha!
Did he by any chance fly himself in to make the announcement.
LOL , he will , G8 summit .......
TailgateNut
06-05-2007, 12:12 PM
Well if the man says a war is over who are we to not believe him Ha!
Did he by any chance fly himself in to make the announcement.
Not only did he once again sound like an uneducated bumpkin, but I would asume NO ONE believes a single word he spews.
He is an embarrassment to our nation!
Crushaholic
06-05-2007, 01:40 PM
Bush reminds me of Baghdad Bob with this announcement...
"Russia is not going back to communism. Putin is such a nice guy. There's nothing to see here"ROFL!
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
06-05-2007, 05:01 PM
Did he by any chance fly himself in to make the announcement.
:giggle: :D
epicSocialism4tw
06-05-2007, 05:24 PM
Not only did he once again sound like an uneducated bumpkin, but I would asume NO ONE believes a single word he spews.
He is an embarrassment to our nation!
That's what I'm freakin saying!!!!
http://www.manuelbieh.de/kram/blog_highfive.jpg
Smiling Assassin27
06-05-2007, 06:42 PM
Not only did he once again sound like an uneducated bumpkin, but I would asume NO ONE believes a single word he spews.
He is an embarrassment to our nation!
So you don't believe the cold war is over??:wiggle:
Hotrod
06-05-2007, 06:47 PM
So you don't believe the cold war is over??:wiggle:
Im not sure if he held a press confernece right now and said that "Water is wet" that I'd believe him. Sure I've thought so myself all these years but it would make me take a closer look at the issue.
codeman
06-05-2007, 08:00 PM
I'm not a Bush fan, but this whole concept is beyond dumb.
After the comments in the media over the past few days he was just reminding the press that the cold war ended. I actually remember it happening when RR was president.
Spider
06-05-2007, 08:03 PM
I'm not a Bush fan, but this whole concept is beyond dumb.
After the comments in the media over the past few days he was just reminding the press that the cold war ended. I actually remember it happening when RR was president.
the G 8 summit is the Press ?
codeman
06-05-2007, 09:10 PM
the G 8 summit is the Press ?
Check the news of last week. We seem to have stirred the ire of some of the press by something we did, the president was responding to their comments. I think if you looked it up there might be an epiphany looming on your future.
Spider
06-05-2007, 09:23 PM
Check the news of last week. We seem to have stirred the ire of some of the press by something we did, the president was responding to their comments. I think if you looked it up there might be an epiphany looming on your future.
I am not checking old news , epiphany on my future ? who are you Miss Cleo ?
That message would be delivered at the G8 summit in Germany starting on Wednesday and later when Putin visits the US, Bush said.
The US proposal to site a tracking radar on Czech soil as part of its extended missile defence shield was one of the main issues broached during the talks.
Gee you think that could be part of the Problem ?
codeman
06-05-2007, 10:56 PM
I am not checking old news
Gee you think that could be part of the Problem ?
Too lazy to check the truth?
The US media commented about the installation during the week and said that we were no longer in a cold war situation with the soviets. Bush simply reiterated that the war was indeed over and that the missiles were not to shoot at the Russians but to use against terrorists. From the sounds of things there are a great many people that do not understand that.
Spider
06-05-2007, 11:04 PM
Too lazy to check the truth?
The US media commented about the installation during the week and said that we were no longer in a cold war situation with the soviets. Bush simply reiterated that the war was indeed over and that the missiles were not to shoot at the Russians but to use against terrorists. From the sounds of things there are a great many people that do not understand that.
Given Bush's track record with the truth , you got a real strong leg to stand on there :giggle: ...... too lazy to look up the truth or some idiotic right wing Bullshít ?
Fact is Russia doesnt want them there .Do me a favor Spread your Bullshít somewhere else ... you would be talking out of the other side of you neck if Russia put Missiles any kind of missiles in Mexico or Cuba ..... so spare me the sanctimonious bullshít
spdirty
06-05-2007, 11:08 PM
Well, thanks for keeping us up to date Spider...Man, what a relief. Now lets go kick Saddam's ass.
Spider
06-05-2007, 11:40 PM
Well, thanks for keeping us up to date Spider...Man, what a relief. Now lets go kick Saddam's ass.
anytime , now If I can just get you to donate
mhgaffney
06-06-2007, 07:57 AM
I'm not a Bush fan, but this whole concept is beyond dumb.
After the comments in the media over the past few days he was just reminding the press that the cold war ended. I actually remember it happening when RR was president.
If the Cold War is over why is Bush installing ABM systems in Poland and the Czech Republic?
In fact when Bush unilaterally revoked the ABM Treaty in 2002 he kick started the Cold War all over again.
Russia has good reason to fear a US nuclear first strike.
Our Prez. and crew have made the world a much more unstable place.
TailgateNut
06-06-2007, 11:09 AM
So you don't believe the cold war is over??:wiggle:
Can you read? I said he once again sounded like an UNEDUCATED BUMKIN. THE MAN CAN"T UTTER A FULL SENTENCE WITHOUT STUMBLING OVER THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE! F-ing failure! No wonder he only reads nursery rhymes.
The cold war is over, but it does not take much to push things in that direction. Putin is an old KGB guy, who is inclined already to mistrust the US, and any shield would be percived by him as a threat. I would be curious to know how the Russion people feel about Americans in general right now, vs 10 years ago -- my guess is that as a people we are less trusted at this point. Putin is gaining more control over the political process in Russia, and what information is shared with those in it, over time if we are painted in a poor light, and if we are seen as potential agressors, good feelings that might have exsisted will continue to wane.
TailgateNut
06-06-2007, 02:39 PM
The cold war is over, but it does not take much to push things in that direction. Putin is an old KGB guy, who is inclined already to mistrust the US, and any shield would be percived by him as a threat. I would be curious to know how the Russion people feel about Americans in general right now, vs 10 years ago -- my guess is that as a people we are less trusted at this point. Putin is gaining more control over the political process in Russia, and what information is shared with those in it, over time if we are painted in a poor light, and if we are seen as potential agressors, good feelings that might have exsisted will continue to wane.
Good Post!
With the current situations involving the US I can see the concern exhibited by Russia. I don't believe that there is any merit, but I do not believe other countries trust us as much today as they did 6 years ago.
codeman
06-06-2007, 07:08 PM
If the Cold War is over why is Bush installing ABM systems in Poland and the Czech Republic?
In fact when Bush unilaterally revoked the ABM Treaty in 2002 he kick started the Cold War all over again.
Russia has good reason to fear a US nuclear first strike.
Our Prez. and crew have made the world a much more unstable place.
My guess is that you are not aware of the real situation in the world. But what can I expect from someone that authored such garbage? I've read some of your stuff and I honestly don't think you would know reality if it hit you in the head.
Keep believing the way you do. The rest of the normal thinking world will consider the facts before we get too excited about your opinion.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
06-06-2007, 07:58 PM
My guess is that you are not aware of the real situation in the world. But what can I expect from someone that authored such garbage? I've read some of your stuff and I honestly don't think you would know reality if it hit you in the head.
Funny how you refer to his stuff as "garbage" without refuting a single point he made.
Keep believing the way you do. The rest of the normal thinking world will consider the facts before we get too excited about your opinion.
Would that be the same "normal thinking world" that gave us the Bush misadministration?
codeman
06-06-2007, 08:27 PM
Funny how you refer to his stuff as "garbage" without refuting a single point he made.
Do you honestly think that his conspiracy theory holds any thing in it worth comment? Each of his theories have been debunked by professional engineers. If you feel that he is correct in his wild accusations, by all means keep believing, maybe the tooth fairy will be by to visit you later.
Would that be the same "normal thinking world" that gave us the Bush mis-administration?
Let me guess, you are a liberal and assume that because I don't believe the wild accusations by the other guy that I have to be conservative. Nice way to generalize. It doesn't fit, but nice try.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
06-06-2007, 09:11 PM
Do you honestly think that his conspiracy theory holds any thing in it worth comment? Each of his theories have been debunked by professional engineers. If you feel that he is correct in his wild accusations, by all means keep believing, maybe the tooth fairy will be by to visit you later.
I was referring to the points he just made re: the cold war.
I can only assume you are attempting to change the subject here because you are unable to refute said points.
Let me guess, you are a liberal and assume that because I don't believe the wild accusations by the other guy that I have to be conservative. Nice way to generalize. It doesn't fit, but nice try.
Yes, I'm a liberal.
And, even if incorrect, I don't think my assumption was unreasonable insofar as your response to the post in question was very similar in style and approach to that of the typical Limbaugh or O'Reilly listener.
mhgaffney
06-06-2007, 11:19 PM
My guess is that you are not aware of the real situation in the world. But what can I expect from someone that authored such garbage? I've read some of your stuff and I honestly don't think you would know reality if it hit you in the head.
Keep believing the way you do. The rest of the normal thinking world will consider the facts before we get too excited about your opinion.
You don't have to take my word for it. If you know how to read, you can verify "the real situation in the world" for yourself.
Check out this scholarly paper THE RISE OF US NUCLEAR PRIMACY from last spring's FOREIGN AFFAIRS. It describes the new reality on the Russian border. The Russians and China too are blind to the east. The US can lob nukes into Moscow or Bejing any time we want from our Trident subs in the north Pacific -- without being detected.
You didn't know that?
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20060301faessay85204-p0/keir-a-lieber-daryl-g-press/the-rise-of-u-s-nuclear-primacy.html
We also have a large new radar site on the north tip of Norway -- just a few miles from the Russian border. Another one is planned for the Aleutians -- or possibly has already been completed.
I guarrantee you their purpose is not to deter Iran.
codeman
06-07-2007, 12:29 AM
You don't have to take my word for it. If you know how to read, you can verify "the real situation in the world" for yourself.
Check out this scholarly paper THE RISE OF US NUCLEAR PRIMACY from last spring's FOREIGN AFFAIRS. It describes the new reality on the Russian border. The Russians and China too are blind to the east. The US can lob nukes into Moscow or Bejing any time we want from our Trident subs in the north Pacific -- without being detected.
You didn't know that?
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20060301faessay85204-p0/keir-a-lieber-daryl-g-press/the-rise-of-u-s-nuclear-primacy.html
We also have a large new radar site on the north tip of Norway -- just a few miles from the Russian border. Another one is planned for the Aleutians -- or possibly has already been completed.
I guarrantee you their purpose is not to deter Iran.
I typed a long and detailed response to your post, but then I realized that it would just be feeding your phobias and paranoias and I deleted it.
I hope that you get help you so desperately need.
codeman
06-07-2007, 12:32 AM
I was referring to the points he just made re: the cold war.
I can only assume you are attempting to change the subject here because you are unable to refute said points.
There are no points to refute, it's all paranoia.
Yes, I'm a liberal.
And, even if incorrect, I don't think my assumption was unreasonable insofar as your response to the post in question was very similar in style and approach to that of the typical Limbaugh or O'Reilly listener.
I don't listen to either of your favorites. Limbaugh is a mean spirited person that has no ability to see the whole picture. O'Reilly is just someone that values his opinion above all others.
Why don't you try to do better, at this point you are failing.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
06-07-2007, 01:12 AM
There are no points to refute, it's all paranoia.
That's BS.
One fact he cited was that Bush was installing ABM systems in Poland and the Czech Republic.
Do you deny this?
If you categorically dismiss his entire post as "garbage" then it would seem so.
I don't listen to either of your favorites. Limbaugh is a mean spirited person that has no ability to see the whole picture. O'Reilly is just someone that values his opinion above all others.
Why don't you try to do better, at this point you are failing.
As I said before, even if my assumption about you was incorrect, it was nonetheless reasonable insofar as your "rebuttal," in this instance, resembled, in manner and style, that of a typical neocon.
codeman
06-07-2007, 07:25 AM
That's BS.
One fact he cited was that Bush was installing ABM systems in Poland and the Czech Republic.
Do you deny this?
If you categorically dismiss his entire post as "garbage" then it would seem so.
As I said before, even if my assumption about you was incorrect, it was nonetheless reasonable insofar as your "rebuttal," in this instance, resembled, in manner and style, that of a typical neocon.
I would guess that you assumed some facts that are not correct. First, I wasn't referring to the argument you have pointed out, I was referring to all of the conspiracy nuts that are running around the country, that dude is one of them.
What you might find is that there a number of Americans that don't fit the mold as liberal or conservative. Some that look at the wider scope of things might seem to be in both of the groups you mention. There are those of us that see things from both sides of the table and decide what is right for us. If you have problems with someone that can see both sides, please ignore what I write.