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dragondawg
06-04-2007, 03:15 AM
D-line close to getting big boost from Adams
One-year offer for huge tackle
By Bill Williamson
Denver Post Staff Writer

When will the Broncos stop adding veteran players?

The busy franchise is on the verge of acquiring a player who would fill one of the few holes left unfilled during this kinetic offseason.

According to an NFL source close to the situation, the Broncos are expected to sign veteran defensive tackle Sam Adams to a one-year contract. The deal, barring an unexpected breakdown, could be announced as soon as today.

Adams is the biggest name remaining in a slim free-agent market.

The 6-foot-4, 340-pound Adams, who turns 34 on June 13, would give Denver a massive player in the middle of its defensive front. Adams would fit perfectly into Jim Bates' system. Bates, the Broncos' new assistant head coach in charge of defense, loves big defensive tackles. Denver tried to fill the need when trading for Miami's Dan Wilkinson (6-4, 353) on March 3. But the trade was voided March 31 because Wilkinson never reported to the Broncos.

Denver selected Florida defensive tackle Marcus Thomas in the fourth round of the April draft. Thomas (6-3, 296) is expected to get a chance to earn plenty of playing time as a rookie. The Broncos also have signed Alvin McKinley (6-3, 294) of Cleveland. Adams likely would play in a rotation and could start alongside veteran Gerard Warren (6-4, 325).

The Broncos would be Adams' sixth NFL team. Adams began his career with Seattle, which selected the Texas A&M product eighth overall in the 1994 draft. Adams has made three Pro Bowl teams, the last in 2004 while with Buffalo.

The Broncos began looking into signing Adams the day after he was cut by Cincinnati last month. Broncos defensive line coach Bill Johnson coached Adams at Texas A&M.

Adams, who has 44 sacks in 13 seasons, would be the 13th veteran the Broncos have added this offseason. During the recent draft, coach Mike Shanahan said he thought the Broncos were done adding veteran players. But he added that if a quality veteran were to hit the open market and he fit the Broncos' needs, they would consider signing him.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_6054090

-Slap-
06-04-2007, 03:28 AM
This would be a fantastic signing. Get him in here, Shanny.

orange crusher
06-04-2007, 03:32 AM
This is good news! It would give Thomas time to develop and still get some playing time. We've beefed up the DT position if this happens...now do your thing Bates.

Hawaii_Guy
06-04-2007, 03:40 AM
WOW another big signing what is next??

OBF1
06-04-2007, 04:05 AM
Excellent addition if it happens. Next season we can aim for a top coverage type safety and any other hole that might appear. I think we will see some serious QB pressure this season.

Atlas
06-04-2007, 04:13 AM
Sweet

Atlas
06-04-2007, 04:18 AM
I'm not sure he is big enough.

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Atlas
06-04-2007, 04:19 AM
http://www.billszone.com/mtimages/Sam_Adams_sacks.jpg

WTH is this?? Looks like he is tackling the water boy!!!

cutthemdown
06-04-2007, 04:28 AM
I think Sam Adams could really help Warren more then anyone else. Warren with a little heat off him might be able to get some confidence back by not seeing as many doubles on first down. I do think though that Adams will have to be kept fresh by rotating him out quite a bit. No big deal really Broncos usually do that anyways to keep DT fresh.

maher_tyler
06-04-2007, 05:26 AM
Pick'em up!!!

thumpc
06-04-2007, 05:27 AM
How was he last year?

atomicbloke
06-04-2007, 05:56 AM
Why only a 1 year contract?

Atlas
06-04-2007, 06:27 AM
How was he last year?

From what I heard Cincinnati was disappointed in his play. THat being said he is a step up and added depth. Hopefully he will come motivated and wanting that Super Bowl ring that has avoided him.

Atlas
06-04-2007, 06:28 AM
Why only a 1 year contract?


Because he is 34 and can be lazy. He needs to play for a new contract every year.

footstepsfrom#27
06-04-2007, 07:55 AM
Marcus Thomas is 296? I thought he was 315...no?

BroncoInferno
06-04-2007, 08:21 AM
Very nice move if it pulls through. This would make me feel very good about the DL going into the season.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-04-2007, 08:22 AM
Thank God Shanny decided to get acquire a younger FA DT after the Williamson trade fell through

footstepsfrom#27
06-04-2007, 08:26 AM
An Adams signing would mean he's decided to just say no to Kris Jenkins I think.

Natedogg
06-04-2007, 08:33 AM
I'm not sure he is big enough.

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http://www.billszone.com/mtimages/2004/brownsgame_1.jpg

WOO HOO

Drek
06-04-2007, 09:02 AM
Marcus Thomas is 296? I thought he was 315...no?

Probably lost some weight over the winter when he couldn't play for Florida.

This would be a great signing. Not just because Adams can be a reliable hole stuffer on first and second down, it also pushes Thomas, McKinley, Veal, etc. down a notch on the depth chart, and considering that "talent" pool is a very good thing.

Thomas will now get to play a situational pass rush and backup role, McKinley will get to find a home in a role similar to what Ekuban and Pryce have done the last two years (run stuffing end, pass rushing tackle, rotates depending on down), though probably in a reduced capacity. Veal and/or whoever else makes the team at DT will also be far enough down the depth chart that we should only see them on special teams and in the event of an injury.

This would be the cherry on top of a nearly ideal off-season. Losing Wilson still sucks but other than that we've added every other piece we needed for this team and in the right fashion. Spent the big money where we had starting holes open, used the draft to fill an otherwise shallow position, and added veteran leaders across all the other spots that make for some great camp and pre-season battles for starting jobs.

chrisp
06-04-2007, 09:02 AM
Marcus Thomas is 296? I thought he was 315...no?

I think what it is is that he has shown he can play at 315 in college, and it is anticipated that he will be asked to play at 315 for the Broncos given Bates' proclivities, but he actually weighed in at the combine at 296. I think that's where it all comes from.

Players are often drafted at weights well below what they end up playing at.. added to which there are lies, damn lies, and NFL player weights.....

RunSilentRunDeep
06-04-2007, 09:50 AM
Hopefully he's not just here to cash the check. If gets his fat butt in shape before camp, maybe he can give them 15-20 quality plays a game. Otherwise, I'm not going to get too excited about a guy who's play is dropping fast and has never been a hard worker.

Dr. Broncenstein
06-04-2007, 09:59 AM
That fatass can play. Welcome.

Billy Clyde Puckett
06-04-2007, 10:01 AM
Good news!

Did someone disappoint in OTA to force this move?

NYC Bronco
06-04-2007, 10:24 AM
Broncos to sign DT Adams
Posted: Monday June 04, 2007 07:32AM ET

According to an NFL source close to the situation, the Broncos are expected to sign veteran defensive tackle Sam Adams to a one-year contract. The deal, barring an unexpected breakdown, could be announced as soon as today.

www.cnnsi.com

Atlas
06-04-2007, 10:25 AM
http://www.rit.edu/~bkb5139/imm/media/jpg/SportsIllustrated.jpg

Atlas
06-04-2007, 10:27 AM
Rumor has it that he has actually eaten three QBs.

http://www.billszone.com/mtimages/Sam_Adams_sacks.jpg

spdirty
06-04-2007, 10:33 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=57033

spdirty
06-04-2007, 10:35 AM
man I love this. Take some pressure off of Big Money and in the meantime he will be a damn good stopgap while Marcus develops. Great move Shanny!:thumbsup:

footstepsfrom#27
06-04-2007, 10:51 AM
I think what it is is that he has shown he can play at 315 in college, and it is anticipated that he will be asked to play at 315 for the Broncos given Bates' proclivities, but he actually weighed in at the combine at 296. I think that's where it all comes from.

Players are often drafted at weights well below what they end up playing at.. added to which there are lies, damn lies, and NFL player weights.....
Or maybe he just quit gettin' the munchies. ;D

NYC Bronco
06-04-2007, 10:57 AM
oops.....

after a quick scan didn't see it


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUcFWPgB8oY

Atlas
06-04-2007, 10:57 AM
How did he miss the current thread? I imagine he was all excited that he just got some breaking news and hurried to the site to post it before anybody. Our Hero!!!! NOT!! Hilarious!

Well, I have been there too. Ususally it's Kahn with that wise ass grin of his rubbing it in my face that there was already a thread.

bendog
06-04-2007, 11:30 AM
315 LOL. If he goes to "steak night" at that place down by the Blue Bonnet that the DU kids go to, he'll bankrupt them.

Atwater His Ass
06-04-2007, 11:56 AM
Our defensive line looks a lot different than last season. I like the work the team has done in addressing this issue.

Kaylore
06-04-2007, 12:02 PM
That fatass can play. Welcome.

Even if he can't he'd be great depth and be able to mentor the young guys. He's also not a tool, so it could help bring some decent character to the team generally and the D-line specifically.

SonOfLe-loLang
06-04-2007, 12:03 PM
Cant be a bad move...im sure it wont be for much money..he'll get like 15-20 snaps a game and occupy blockers. Total low risk/high reward.

brncs_fan
06-04-2007, 12:13 PM
This should deflate those numbers of what we are giving up between the tackles against the rush.

Welcome :wave:

Rascal
06-04-2007, 12:16 PM
Food prices in Denver have reportedly jumped 12% in the past 24 hours.

Master___Pain
06-04-2007, 12:16 PM
This should deflate those numbers of what we are giving up between the tackles against the rush.

Welcome :wave:

This D-line has some potential now. There are some legit playmakers on the DL. When's the last time we've been able to say that?

bpc
06-04-2007, 12:17 PM
I don't think he has much left in the tank but he is big and fat and Bates said he likes those guys. I'm just happy we didn't trade for Big "Fatty" Dan Wilkinson.

More beef on 1st and 2nd down is fine with me. This guy used to eat up Dan Neil. Gave him fits all over the place.

Kaylore
06-04-2007, 12:20 PM
Food prices in Denver have reportedly jumped 12% in the past 24 hours.

Kroger's stock went up 6 points. Expect steady increases over the next quarter.

Steve Prefontaine
06-04-2007, 12:27 PM
Our defensive line looks a lot different than last season. I like the work the team has done in addressing this issue.
I love how aggressive they have been revamping the d-line too.

I think this move would leave Veal as the odd man out.

DE - Lang
DE - Ekuban
DE - Dumervil
DE - Moss
DE - Crowder
DE - Engelberger (Cut)
DE - Peterson (Cut)
DT - Warren
DT - Thomas
DT - Adams
DT - McKinley
DT - Veal (Cut)
DT - Burton (PS)

HEAV
06-04-2007, 12:29 PM
Just what DJ needed! Another fat blob that will take up lineman!

Big year for #55!

RunSilentRunDeep
06-04-2007, 12:36 PM
Anybody else given pause that <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Cincinnati</st1:place></st1:City>, a team with a crappy run defense and in desperate need of veteran leadership, just let the guy go?

Maybe that Cincinnati Chili made it too hard to have him in the locker room.

Kaylore
06-04-2007, 12:37 PM
How did he miss the current thread? I imagine he was all excited that he just got some breaking news and hurried to the site to post it before anybody. Our Hero!!!! NOT!! Hilarious!

Well, I have been there too. Ususally it's Kahn with that wise ass grin of his rubbing it in my face that there was already a thread.

Who, little ol' me? :curtsey:

Traveler
06-04-2007, 12:44 PM
Patriots | Team talking to Adams
Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:08:05 -0700

Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, reports the New England Patriots have been talking to unrestricted free-agent DT Sam Adams (Bengals) for the past few weeks. It is not known how involved the talks have become between the two parties.

brncs_fan
06-04-2007, 12:51 PM
Patriots | Team talking to Adams
Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:08:05 -0700

Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, reports the New England Patriots have been talking to unrestricted free-agent DT Sam Adams (Bengals) for the past few weeks. It is not known how involved the talks have become between the two parties.

The patsies are all upset that they can't beat us so they are just going to drive up the price and make us pay a little more.

rovolution
06-04-2007, 12:59 PM
wanting that Super Bowl ring that has avoided him.

He already has a ring. He was on the 2000 Ravens squad. He and "The Goose" Siragusa were the main reason Ray Lewis did so well that year. This signing is good for DJ Williams. With a rotation of Thomas, Warren, and Adams upfront, its going to be tough for olinemen to even get a sniff of him.

OBF1
06-04-2007, 01:02 PM
100 post rule... You guys are pretty harsh.

atomicbloke
06-04-2007, 01:17 PM
Imagine if we still had a healthy Al Wilson, our D would be among the best.

broncsyanks
06-04-2007, 01:42 PM
wow what an awesome signing

Hercules Rockefeller
06-04-2007, 06:14 PM
Good news!

Did someone disappoint in OTA to force this move?

Doubt it, they've been interested since the day he was cut

mhgaffney
06-04-2007, 09:07 PM
We are loaded!

I can't recall a better off season.

epicSocialism4tw
06-04-2007, 10:38 PM
We are loaded!

I can't recall a better off season.

I can.

This one started with our starting DB getting shot in a drive by at a club, soon to be followed by the tragic death of one of our RB's who played on the practice squad.

Everything else cant cover up those losses.

epicSocialism4tw
06-04-2007, 10:42 PM
Imagine if we still had a healthy Al Wilson, our D would be among the best.


If Big Al was back there to fill in the gaps, this would be a superbowl defense.

Los Broncos
06-04-2007, 11:39 PM
If Big Al was back there to fill in the gaps, this would be a superbowl defense.

Same thing i was thinking about Al. But without him we are still pretty good.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-05-2007, 12:37 AM
I wouldn't expect much out of this guy other than decent rotational play. The Bengals were counting on the guy to fix their awful run defense and it didn't really improve at all.

Play2win
06-05-2007, 12:51 AM
I can.

This one started with our starting DB getting shot in a drive by at a club, soon to be followed by the tragic death of one of our RB's who played on the practice squad.

Everything else cant cover up those losses.

Thats why I always talk about this off-season in terms of "Additions"

bengalsown
06-05-2007, 01:51 AM
How was he last year?

Worthless. And he was too fat for training camp, he spent the entire training camp exercising on the sidelines with the bengals training staff.

bengalsown
06-05-2007, 01:53 AM
This D-line has some potential now. There are some legit playmakers on the DL. When's the last time we've been able to say that?

Sam Adams, a playmaker?

:rofl:

epicSocialism4tw
06-05-2007, 01:54 AM
Thats why I always talk about this off-season in terms of "Additions"

I didnt even mention the other (less important) loss. Big Al Wilson.

It's hard to imagine him not wearing the orange and blue.

Get better, Al. Enjoy time with your family and friends.

cutthemdown
06-05-2007, 01:54 AM
Worthless. And he was too fat for training camp, he spent the entire training camp exercising on the sidelines with the bengals training staff.

He had a down year but that doesn't mean he can't play better this year. Last year he played with a bum knee. This year that knee either gets better or he won't be playing. He started all 16 games though so it shows hes tough. You are right though if you go by last yr then he won't help much.

bendog
06-05-2007, 11:37 AM
Worthless. And he was too fat for training camp, he spent the entire training camp exercising on the sidelines with the bengals training staff.

Yeah, but maybe he just didn't want to associate with felons.

Atlas
06-05-2007, 11:54 AM
Worthless. And he was too fat for training camp, he spent the entire training camp exercising on the sidelines with the bengals training staff.


He admitted he wasn't in good shape but but despite injuries he still started 16 games for the Bungles. By the way he weighs 340 lbs right now. He is in the best shape he is going to be in.

NW Bolt Fan
06-05-2007, 12:20 PM
He'll help in some big games when he can "get up" to play. Otherwise, you've just lost a potentially valuable roster spot to someone who'll bust ass every play of every game they get an opportunity.

Good luck.

Mediator12
06-05-2007, 12:33 PM
He'll help in some big games when he can "get up" to play. Otherwise, you've just lost a potentially valuable roster spot to someone who'll bust ass every play of every game they get an opportunity.

Good luck.

I believe people are missing the picture on Adams, especially those who are not taking the scheme switch into consideration. DEN has not had quality DT's since Pryce and McGlockton started Side by side in like 2001. What Adams allows DEN to do is have two decent DT's capable of playing a two gap system that they have installed. Both Warren and Adams are not going to have huge statistical years, but they will allow the new scheme to function properly and keep the interior OL off DJ Williams.

Having guys who are capable at doing their roles will release the DE's to truly one gap and rush the QB and play the run on the move. To dismiss the signing of a player without considering the value they bring to a new system is shortsighted.

Paladin
06-05-2007, 12:38 PM
Ya know, a lot of these trolls don't know sh*t.

They ought to realize that Bates and Johnson are not the same as the D people elsewhere. The trolls just talk out of their arses.......

Kaylore
06-05-2007, 12:43 PM
Worthless. And he was too fat for training camp, he spent the entire training camp exercising on the sidelines with the bengals training staff.

That's because he's better suited for a two gap system and he played the whole season with a knee injury that really needed surgery.

bendog
06-05-2007, 12:47 PM
It'll be interesting to see the rotation with McKinley, Thomas, Big Gut and Big Money. While I think Big Money would be a monster of an under tackle, all 4 guys can play the two gap scheme. Plus there's Veal and Burton.

But the trolls dissing the signing are idiots. If Big Gut plays only 30% of the snaps, I won't be surprised, and he'd be a very useful cog doing only that.

NW Bolt Fan
06-05-2007, 01:35 PM
I believe people are missing the picture on Adams, especially those who are not taking the scheme switch into consideration. DEN has not had quality DT's since Pryce and McGlockton started Side by side in like 2001. What Adams allows DEN to do is have two decent DT's capable of playing a two gap system that they have installed. Both Warren and Adams are not going to have huge statistical years, but they will allow the new scheme to function properly and keep the interior OL off DJ Williams.

Having guys who are capable at doing their roles will release the DE's to truly one gap and rush the QB and play the run on the move. To dismiss the signing of a player without considering the value they bring to a new system is shortsighted.
Fine and well if Adams can hold his ground. While I think he can contribute, counting on him to be the "other" DT alongside Warren (who didn't necessarily play well last year either) is a stretch.

I thinkn he'll be on the team, and make a contribution, I just don't see him making a HUGE difference. If he goes 25+ more pounds than someone else it's really not a factor if he doesn't still play with intensity.

Centers and guards on everyone else's teams are plenty big and strong too. Dude was a difference maker 4 or 5 years ago. He's not anymore. But he could surprise this season- it's happened before, and I'm guessing that's what y'all are counting on.

Popps
06-05-2007, 02:02 PM
We are loaded!

I can't recall a better off season.

Even better, think about last off-season, plus THIS off-season...

-Cutler
-Javon Walker
-Dre Bly
-Sam Adams
-Travis Henry
-Jarvis Moss
-Brandon Marshall
-Brandon Stokely
-Daniel Graham
-Tony Sheffler
and of course, Mr. Hixon.

That's just to name a few, but look at that group of talent we've added in the past two off-seasons!

Great time to be a Broncos fan. Much to be optimistic about.

Atlas
06-05-2007, 04:41 PM
It'll be interesting to see the rotation with McKinley, Thomas, Big Gut and Big Money. While I think Big Money would be a monster of an under tackle, all 4 guys can play the two gap scheme. Plus there's Veal and Burton.

But the trolls dissing the signing are idiots. If Big Gut plays only 30% of the snaps, I won't be surprised, and he'd be a very useful cog doing only that.


I just watched the 2006 Denver/Cleveland game and McKinley looked good. He sacked Plummer on a play and he looks very agile for a big man, much more than Myers did.

Atlas
06-05-2007, 04:44 PM
Even better, think about last off-season, plus THIS off-season...

-Cutler
-Javon Walker
-Dre Bly
-Sam Adams
-Travis Henry
-Jarvis Moss
-Brandon Marshall
-Brandon Stokely
-Daniel Graham
-Tony Sheffler
and of course, Mr. Hixon.

That's just to name a few, but look at that group of talent we've added in the past two off-seasons!

Great time to be a Broncos fan. Much to be optimistic about.

You forgot Dumervile and you might as well add Foxworth, Marshall, Bell and Paymah to the mix. Shanny has re-done the whole team in about three years. He has done a masterful job.

cmhargrove
05-07-2009, 01:55 PM
Bump!

I had to look back a little for some context.

It's interesting how the D-line always looks "good" in the offseason. Hopefully we find the right coaches + players to work our system this year.

misturanderson
05-07-2009, 02:12 PM
Odd how the only people being negative about the offseason were fans of other teams. I guess this offseason is kind of a "fooled me twice" deal.

OBF1
05-07-2009, 02:14 PM
I always wonder who has less of a life than I do... Congrats Hargrove

tsiguy96
05-07-2009, 02:15 PM
Bump!

I had to look back a little for some context.

It's interesting how the D-line always looks "good" in the offseason. Hopefully we find the right coaches + players to work our system this year.

what was interesting was the level of incompetence of the dline in shannys entire career, and we had the same dline coach for such a long period of time...im glad we got a new coach at the position.

cmhargrove
05-07-2009, 02:48 PM
I always wonder who has less of a life than I do... Congrats Hargrove

Man, I really, really got a lot done today - I promise.

I just had to look back for a little nostalgia. I typed in d-line and hit search, this one (among many) popped up.

Am I less of a loser now?

Bob's your Information Minister
05-07-2009, 08:21 PM
I wouldn't expect much out of this guy other than decent rotational play. The Bengals were counting on the guy to fix their awful run defense and it didn't really improve at all.

GRAND SLAM!

Bob's your Information Minister
05-07-2009, 08:22 PM
Even better, think about last off-season, plus THIS off-season...

-Cutler
-Javon Walker
-Dre Bly
-Sam Adams
-Travis Henry
-Jarvis Moss
-Brandon Marshall
-Brandon Stokely
-Daniel Graham
-Tony Sheffler
and of course, Mr. Hixon.

That's just to name a few, but look at that group of talent we've added in the past two off-seasons!


Wow...how exciting.

DHallblows
05-07-2009, 08:27 PM
It's really not that hard to go back and see people making correct/incorrect judgment calls on players, Bob. Get over it...

epicSocialism4tw
05-07-2009, 09:11 PM
Man, I really, really got a lot done today - I promise.

I just had to look back for a little nostalgia. I typed in d-line and hit search, this one (among many) popped up.

Am I less of a loser now?

Ha!

There's probably some really good stuff out there towards the end of the Plummer era when Taco, myself, and others debated those teams.

azbroncfan
05-07-2009, 09:38 PM
GRAND SLAM!

Wrong he wasn't even decent.

barryr
05-08-2009, 06:36 AM
The Chiefs will suck as usual and Herm won't sniff the playoffs with this crappy bunch.

GRAND SLAM!

oubronco
05-08-2009, 06:39 AM
Denny's GRAND SLAM is pretty good

Bob's your Information Minister
05-08-2009, 06:54 AM
Denny's GRAND SLAM is pretty good

For fat guys?

Jason in LA
05-08-2009, 06:56 AM
what was interesting was the level of incompetence of the dline in shannys entire career, and we had the same dline coach for such a long period of time...im glad we got a new coach at the position.

I'd say that is true of the final two years of the Shanahan era, but not his entire career. They always had very good run stuffing D lines. Getting to the QB was always an issue outside of the Super Bowl years, but the D line wasn't horrible all those years. The last two years yes, but not his entire career.

dbfan21
05-08-2009, 07:16 AM
For fat guys?

You'd know, wouldn't you?

Beantown Bronco
05-08-2009, 07:20 AM
It's interesting how the D-line always looks "good" in the offseason.

I beg to differ.

2KBack
05-08-2009, 07:30 AM
I'd say that is true of the final two years of the Shanahan era, but not his entire career. They always had very good run stuffing D lines. Getting to the QB was always an issue outside of the Super Bowl years, but the D line wasn't horrible all those years. The last two years yes, but not his entire career.

that's debatable.

2007- 4.6 yards per carry given up
1997- 4.7 yards per carry

nothing was ever as bad as last season, but there are equally as many seasons where the rushing defense was below average as there are years of competent rush D.

no-pseudo-fan
05-08-2009, 08:00 AM
http://www.heartattackgrill.com/photo/HAG0.jpg

no-pseudo-fan
05-08-2009, 08:05 AM
http://www.heartattackgrill.com/photo/HAG25.jpg