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Tombstone RJ
06-03-2007, 07:06 PM
Ok, so I have alot of time on my hands, but bear with me for a moment.

There are certain movies that just kinda leave me thinking about numbers. For instance, I was watching Jaws last night and I got to thinking "how many people are actually killed in this flick?" So, I get out a piece of paper and start listing the people/characters killed by the shark.

Another movie that I've got pen and paper out for is Plains, Trains and Automobiles because I try to figure out how much $$ it's actually costing Steve Martin's character to get home in time for Thanksgiving.

Another movie that I think about in terms of numbers is the first Vacation movie. I wonder how much Clark W. Griswolds family vacation/campaign actually sets him back in terms of $, after it's all said and done.

Well, I've got a game for anyone interested in the above movies. I'll start with Jaws:

I make it out to be four people and one dog killed by the giant fish. Can anyone here dispute these figures?

Man-Goblin
06-03-2007, 07:11 PM
are you talking modern day dollars or for when the movies were made? If it's when the movies were made I'll bet Griswold wasn't set back much more than $1,000 bucks (unless you count the cost of buying the family truckster)...

Edit...okay I got thinking; he gave like $300 to the rednecks to fix the truckster, and I forget how much he loaned to cousin Eddie; so it may have been more than that.

Tombstone RJ
06-03-2007, 07:19 PM
are you talking modern day dollars or for when the movies were made? If it's when the movies were made I'll bet Griswold wasn't set back much more than $1,000 bucks (unless you count the cost of buying the family truckster)...

Edit...okay I got thinking; he gave like $300 to the rednecks to fix the truckster, and I forget how much he loaned to cousin Eddie; so it may have been more than that.

I'm talking about 1980 dollars for Clark. First he had to buy the car (and his old car was destroyed) that right there in 1980 dollars is approximately $15k, and remember, he destroys the car on the way to Wally World.

Northman
06-03-2007, 08:24 PM
I make it out to be four people and one dog killed by the giant fish. Can anyone here dispute these figures?


Maybe.

Girl at the beginning.
Old man on boat that Brody and Hooper find at night.
Young boy on raft.
Pippett the dog.
Man whose boat capsizes ( You never really see him die but that was the impression i got with his leg being bitten off )
Quint on the boat at the end.

Tombstone RJ
06-03-2007, 08:28 PM
Maybe.

Girl at the beginning.
Old man on boat that Brody and Hooper find at night.
Young boy on raft.
Pippett the dog.
Man whose boat capsizes ( You never really see him die but that was the impression i got with his leg being bitten off )
Quint on the boat at the end.

I forgot about the guy in the pond on the boat. There's one more dead person due to the shark... can you think of who it is?

1. Girl swimming
2. Dog swimming
3. Boy swimming/floating
4. Ben Gardner, fisherman
5. Guy in pond on boat
6. ???
7. Quint at the end

Northman
06-03-2007, 08:41 PM
I forgot about the guy in the pond on the boat. There's one more dead person due to the shark... can you think of who it is?

1. Girl swimming
2. Dog swimming
3. Boy swimming/floating
4. Ben Gardner, fisherman
5. Guy in pond on boat
6. ???
7. Quint at the end

Drawing a blank although i shouldnt be. Unless of course your referring to the book in which Hooper actually bites it.

Tombstone RJ
06-03-2007, 08:43 PM
What the "hell" is with your avatar?

Tombstone RJ
06-03-2007, 08:54 PM
Drawing a blank although i shouldnt be. Unless of course your referring to the book in which Hooper actually bites it.

Nope, the book sucks compared to the movie... which actually brings me to yet another thread idea: MOVIES THAT ARE BETTER THAN THE BOOKS THEY ARE BASED ON!!

9 times out of 10 the book is always better, for obvious reasons, but there are those sweet cimema magic films that simply are better than the book they are based upon. For example, Jaws...

Northman
06-03-2007, 09:00 PM
What the "hell" is with your avatar?

whats wrong with my avatar? :rofl:

Tombstone RJ
06-03-2007, 09:02 PM
whats wrong with my avatar? :rofl:

It's very creative, but there are layers there that I don't know what they mean...

Northman
06-03-2007, 09:05 PM
It's very creative, but there are layers there that I don't know what they mean...

Its a logo for the metal band Solium XI. Obviously, there is a pentagram there but it also has the Solium XI name in there. I just liked the way it looked, plus they are a good band if your into that kind of thing.

Tombstone RJ
06-03-2007, 09:10 PM
Ok, the best I can figure in the Jaws movie is that the last person identified as a victom of the shark (before Quint is eaten) is Quint's friend. It's in the scene where Quint, Brody and Hooper are just finishing dinner and Quint starts talking about serving on the USS Indianapolis and his experience with sharks. He talks about a friend who he found bobbing in the water... he was bitten in half below the waste. That's the other "victom."

Northman
06-03-2007, 09:22 PM
True. But i was thinking of the shark portrayed in the actual movie. But your right, that is another victim through shark attack.

Turf Shaman
06-03-2007, 09:24 PM
Nope, the book sucks compared to the movie... which actually brings me to yet another thread idea: MOVIES THAT ARE BETTER THAN THE BOOKS THEY ARE BASED ON!!

9 times out of 10 the book is always better, for obvious reasons, but there are those sweet cimema magic films that simply are better than the book they are based upon. For example, Jaws...

A couple of Stephen King books that I thought were better movies: The Body (Stand By Me) and Carrie.

But Jaws has to be one of the ultimate examples, man Jaws was a bad book. Having such a great movie based on his book has got to be the best thing that ever happened to Peter Benchley.

I've seen Jaws about 25 times, probably, most recently when it was on UHD. The best and most memorable was a midnight screening at the University of Arizona around the time of it's 20th anniversary. The audience was filled with drunken raging frat boys, who for no reason at all couldn't stop hooting and hollering for about the first five minutes of the movie. I couldn't even hear the film... couldn't hear the music, the girl screaming, nothing. It was my first chance to see Jaws on a big screen and I was pissed. It's was the worst audience I've seen a movie with. Eventually they settled down and started watching the movie. By the end of the movie, everyone in the theater was completely captivated by the movie... they laughed at the right spots, screamed at the right spots, they cheered when the shark bit it, and they cheered again at the end. I've never seen a movie take command of an audience like that and probably never will again, and it was a terrible audience to boot.

That being said, I only remember the six already mentioned. I don't think anyone from the Indianapolis should count... that would put the death toll pretty high. I think there are only six including the dog. Actually, if the dog is counted, and the question is how many people and animals are killed and not killed by the shark, I suppose you could include the main shark and the tiger shark... but that would be splitting hairs.

Tombstone RJ
06-03-2007, 09:29 PM
A couple of Stephen King books that I thought were better movies: The Body (Stand By Me) and Carrie.

But Jaws has to be one of the ultimate examples, man Jaws was a bad book. Having such a great movie based on his book has got to be the best thing that ever happened to Peter Benchley.

I've seen Jaws about 25 times, probably, most recently when it was on UHD. The best and most memorable was a midnight screening at the University of Arizona around the time of it's 20th anniversary. The audience was filled with drunken raging frat boys, who for no reason at all couldn't stop hooting and hollering for about the first five minutes of the movie. I couldn't even hear the film... couldn't hear the music, the girl screaming, nothing. It was my first chance to see Jaws on a big screen and I was pissed. It's was the worst audience I've seen a movie with. Eventually they settled down and started watching the movie. By the end of the movie, everyone in the theater was completely captivated by the movie... they laughed at the right spots, screamed at the right spots, they cheered when the shark bit it, and they cheered again at the end. I've never seen a movie take command of an audience like that and probably never will again, and it was a terrible audience to boot.

That being said, I only remember the six already mentioned. I don't think anyone from the Indianapolis should count... that would put the death toll pretty high. I think there are only six including the dog. Actually, if the dog is counted, and the question is how many people and animals are killed and not killed by the shark, I suppose you could include the main shark and the tiger shark... but that would be splitting hairs.

I think another great example of a movie being hella better than the book is Blade Runner. The book the movie is based upon, very loosely, I might add, is Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? That book sucks azz so bad its pathetic.

Tombstone RJ
06-03-2007, 09:34 PM
That being said, I only remember the six already mentioned. I don't think anyone from the Indianapolis should count... that would put the death toll pretty high. I think there are only six including the dog. Actually, if the dog is counted, and the question is how many people and animals are killed and not killed by the shark, I suppose you could include the main shark and the tiger shark... but that would be splitting hairs.

The last victom was not a member of the USS Indianapolis. He was simply a friend of Quint who Quint found bobbing in the water. You have to watch the entire scene to understand who the victom is. However, I'm talking about all the people (and in this movie, the one dog) that can actually be linked directly to the shark. IMO there are 6 peeps and 1 doggy.

Northman
06-03-2007, 09:38 PM
The last victom was not a member of the USS Indianapolis. He was simply a friend of Quint who Quint found bobbing in the water. You have to watch the entire scene to understand who the victom is. However, I'm talking about all the people (and in this movie, the one dog) that can actually be linked directly to the shark. IMO there are 6 peeps and 1 doggy.

Actually, now you have me confused. The friend that Quint talks in regard too was a friend from the Indianapolis. Quint was talking about when they were waiting for rescue he then bumped into his friend on the open water. At least thats how i always understood that scene.

Tombstone RJ
06-03-2007, 10:56 PM
Actually, now you have me confused. The friend that Quint talks in regard too was a friend from the Indianapolis. Quint was talking about when they were waiting for rescue he then bumped into his friend on the open water. At least thats how i always understood that scene.

Look at how the seen is cut. When Quint talks about his friend, he says something along the lines of "I saw my friend just the other day...." Or, at least, that is what I think Quint says.

Also, right after Quint says the friend was bitten in half below the waist, the scene cuts to Brody and Hooper looking at each other like they know something about the dead body floating.

Turf Shaman
06-03-2007, 10:59 PM
The last victom was not a member of the USS Indianapolis. He was simply a friend of Quint who Quint found bobbing in the water. You have to watch the entire scene to understand who the victom is. However, I'm talking about all the people (and in this movie, the one dog) that can actually be linked directly to the shark. IMO there are 6 peeps and 1 doggy.

I agree with Anubis, the only person I recall Quint talking about bobbing in the water was a member of the USS Indianapolis. Here's the scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYyLWAgo7Vw

Turf Shaman
06-03-2007, 11:03 PM
Look at how the seen is cut. When Quint talks about his friend, he says something along the lines of "I saw my friend just the other day...." Or, at least, that is what I think Quint says.

Also, right after Quint says the friend was bitten in half below the waist, the scene cuts to Brody and Hooper looking at each other like they know something about the dead body floating.

He says "on Thursday morning" but he's talking about the Thursday morning when he was waiting for rescue. They were in the water 5 days according to the story. It doesn't make sense for him to suddenly talk about something that happened a few days ago when the rest of the story is about the events that took place on the USS Indianapolis.

Tombstone RJ
06-03-2007, 11:09 PM
I agree with Anubis, the only person I recall Quint talking about bobbing in the water was a member of the USS Indianapolis. Here's the scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYyLWAgo7Vw

Wow, I guess I've been misunderstanding that scene for a long time. Quint clearly cuts from the past tense to the present tense when talking about Herbie Robinson, then goes back to past tense. Also the scene is kinda wierd the way it cuts to Brody and Hooper looking at each other.

Northman
06-04-2007, 09:10 AM
Look at how the seen is cut. When Quint talks about his friend, he says something along the lines of "I saw my friend just the other day...." Or, at least, that is what I think Quint says.

Also, right after Quint says the friend was bitten in half below the waist, the scene cuts to Brody and Hooper looking at each other like they know something about the dead body floating.


Hmmm, maybe ill go back and look at that scene again. :thumbsup:

Beantown Bronco
06-04-2007, 09:47 AM
Counting the number of times Bill Murray re-lives Groundhog Day can be a fun exercise as well...