AFC focus: Broncos are champs at corner

[dragondawg]

1. Broncos. Dre' Bly gives the team another ballhawking man-to-man defender to pair with seven-time Pro Bowl cornerback Champ Bailey. Nickel back Domonique Foxworth has the top-end speed to match up with slot receivers.

2. Raiders. Nnamdi Asomugha and Fabian Washington excel in one-on-one coverage and have above-average speed, great instincts and solid tackling skills. Nickel back Stanford Routt has blazing speed but gets beat too often.

3. Ravens. Chris McAlister has the strength and speed to match up with any receiver. Samari Rolle struggled last season but still is savvy. Backups Ronnie Prude and Evan Oglesby lack experience.

4. Patriots. If potential holdout Asante Samuel returns, he and Ellis Hobbs will form a solid duo. Hobbs has the ball skills and temperament to be a No. 1 corner. If Samuel leaves, Eugene Wilson could move from safety to corner, his college position.

5. Jaguars. Rashean Mathis and Brian Williams have solid man-to-man coverage skills, are physical jamming receivers and are fearless in run support. Nickel back Terry Cousin (5-9, 185) lacks ideal size but is a savvy veteran who makes plays.

6. Chargers. Quentin Jammer has become a shutdown force and is an excellent tackler. Drayton Florence is fast and would be among the league's best if he were more consistent. Antonio Cromartie needs experience.

7. Chiefs. Ty Law and Patrick Surtain don't run as well as they once did, but they can hold up for at least one more season. Nickel back Benny Sapp has distinguished himself more as a blitzer than as a cover guy.

8. Jets. Rookie Darrelle Revis gives the team a corner with big-time potential. Andre Dyson is solid and won't embarrass the defense. David Barrett has been slowed this offseason by sports hernia surgery

9. Steelers. Ike Taylor is proven but had a lapse in confidence last season. Bryant McFadden still has upside. Nickel back Deshea Townsend is steady but not a playmaker.

10. Titans. With Pacman Jones suspended, the team will rely on Reynaldo Hill and newcomer Nick Harper. Nickel back Cortland Finnegan was solid in 2006, and the Titans also would like to get first-round pick Michael Griffin on the field.

11. Texans. Hard-hitting Dunta Robinson, whose career has stuttered after an excellent rookie season, is due for a breakout year. Demarcus Faggins knows the defense and tackles well. Jamar Fletcher and Fred Bennett are vying for the nickel job.

12. Bengals. First-round pick Leon Hall will push Deltha O'Neal for the starting job opposite Johnathan Joseph. Hall is a smart, physical run defender who is effective in man, zone or press coverage.

13. Bills. Terrence McGee gets burned on double moves but has good quickness and ball skills. Recently signed Jason Webster is small but experienced and works well in zone coverage. Kiwaukee Thomas excelled as the nickel corner last season.

14. Dolphins. Will Allen is the strongest coverage corner. Andre' Goodman (shoulder) might miss the start of training camp. Travis Daniels could regain his starting job from Goodman, and Jason Allen's switch from safety to corner will add depth.

15. Colts. Marlin Jackson and Kelvin Hayden will need time to adjust to being starters. The key to the transition is whether Tim Jennings settles in as the No. 3.

16. Browns. Leigh Bodden is talented, but his projected breakout in 2006 was ruined by ankle issues. Rookie Eric Wright has just one year of big-time college football under his belt. Journeyman Kenny Wright is an adequate backup.

TOP 5 AFC CORNERBACKS

1. Champ Bailey, Broncos. There's Bailey -- and there's the rest of the cornerbacks. He has the whole package: size, quickness, recovery speed, ball skills. On top of that, he's the best run-stopping corner in the NFL.

2. Chris McAlister, Ravens. He's a physical player who matches up best against big wideouts. His ability to take away receivers gives the Ravens' front seven time to get to the quarterback and allows their defense to take risks.

3. Rashean Mathis, Jaguars. His most impressive attributes are his closing speed, soft hands and change-of-direction skills. Though he's an excellent ballhawk, his technique could use some work.

4. Nnamdi Asomugha, Raiders. The Raiders ask him to cover top receivers one-on-one, and he has the size, speed and strength to handle the job. With eight interceptions in '06, he emerged as a big-time playmaker.

5. Asante Samuel, Patriots. He's almost always in position to make plays, which he proved by intercepting a league-high 10 passes last season. He's not the biggest guy but makes up for that with smarts and excellent instincts.

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[Sassy]

Is it football season yet? ;D

[(Jae)]

[B]Chargers Quentin Jammer has become a shutdown

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=215714

Two words that should never be in the same sentence.

[OrangeShadow]

"There's Bailey -- and there's the rest of the cornerbacks"pretty much says it all there

[Killericon]

Asomugha over Samuel?

Psh.

[NFLBRONCO]

Look at SB wins the top corner tandems have collected.

[goldengopher1976]

No offense Chugger fans, but your secondary is a joke. They are the by product of your league-leading pass rush and if they had the Broncos pass rush, they would be exposed for the garbage that they are.


49ers should have made that list. Walt Harris and Nate Clements

A very good duo IMO.

'Cept they play in the NFC. Otherwise, good thought.

[OrangeShadow]

'Cept they play in the NFC. Otherwise, good thought.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[rovolution]

'Cept they play in the NFC. Otherwise, good thought.

just noticed that AFC part. my bad

[brncs_fan]

5. Asante Samuel, Patriots. He's almost always in position to make plays, which he proved by intercepting a league-high 10 passes last season. He's not the biggest guy but makes up for that with smarts and excellent instincts.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=215714

*Correction* Tied for the league high.

[400HZ]

Two words that should never be in the same sentence.

SHUTDOWN!!!! :thumbsup:

[Atlas]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell us something we didn't know!!

[Kaylore]

Chiefs and Chargers are WAY too high. Ask a Chief fan how they like Ty Law now. Jammer got away with murder because the league let him mug and their pass rush hides a lot of slop. Their secondary is very average.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I wonder when national writers are going to notice that Bailey is the only CB in the history of the NFL to carry a team to the Conference Championship game.

Unfortunately, our Bronco beat writers missed out on that one too.

Bailey has all of the tools, and on top of that, he's a game changer. He will win you games.

[BroncoMan4ever]

"There's Bailey -- and there's the rest of the cornerbacks"pretty much says it all there

anyone else thinking that denver is going to have 3 DB's in the pro bowl this year?

[Xenos]

Chiefs and Chargers are WAY too high. Ask a Chief fan how they like Ty Law now. Jammer got away with murder because the league let him mug and their pass rush hides a lot of slop. Their secondary is very average.
What are you talking about? After the rule change, Jammer doesn't mug anymore than any other corner. He's one of the most underrated corner in the league. Our secondary as whole really only needs another good safety to complement McCree. Our pass rush is great but it's also inconsistent. There were a lot of times during the year where our secondary had to help out front seven and vice versa. The Rams game comes to mind.

[kmartin575]

Chiefs and Chargers are WAY too high. Ask a Chief fan how they like Ty Law now. Jammer got away with murder because the league let him mug and their pass rush hides a lot of slop. Their secondary is very average.

And I will say Ty Law did just fine. Except for the occasional play where he fell down he did just fine.

The weakness in our pass defense, besides the pass rush, was with the safeties and linebackers. Kendrell Bell and Kawika Mitchell did not fit the cover 2 and did a horrible job most of the time in coverage. Also, safeties Sammy Knight and Greg Wesley simply don't fit the cover 2. Any long passing plays are usually the fault of the safety, not the cornerback. Also, it was pretty obvious that most completions against the Chiefs were in the gap between the linebackers and the safeties. Kawika Mitchell could not get back there fast enough and the safeties were not able to make the right plays either.

Cornerbacks were far from a weakness for us last year. Ty Law definitely wasn't a weakness. According to footballoutsiders.com the Chiefs were ranked 4th in covering #1 wide receivers. That was almost always the responsibility of Ty Law. The only teams ahead of us were Denver, Oakland, and Buffalo.

To say Ty Law was a weakness is rediculous and shows a complete lack of intelligence. It is ignorant.

[kmartin575]

anyone else thinking that denver is going to have 3 DB's in the pro bowl this year?

No, unless people decide to vote in John Lynch again based on his name alone.

[boltaneer]

What are you talking about? After the rule change, Jammer doesn't mug anymore than any other corner. He's one of the most underrated corner in the league. Our secondary as whole really only needs another good safety to complement McCree. Our pass rush is great but it's also inconsistent. There were a lot of times during the year where our secondary had to help out front seven and vice versa. The Rams game comes to mind.

I have to agree that Jammer is actually an underrated corner.

It's a love hate thing with him though. 95% of the game he is very solid and as much as I hate the term "shutdown", you could apply that to him. But he will often give up a big play in a game which really hurts.

His main problem is that he has poor ball awareness which sometimes leads him to commit penalties and hinders his abilities to cause turnovers. Because of that, I don't think he'll ever be an elite corner and playmaker but he can stick with his man as good as anyone. Add to the fact that the corner spot opposite him has been weak his entire time in San Diego, teams will just throw to that side and avoid Jammer.

He hasn't lived up to his draft spot (#5 overall) and he's not an elite player but he's a very solid corner who can take away the receiver for most of the game. Most teams would like to have a corner like that.

Cromartie is the one to watch out for in the future. He has major playmaker potential. I expect him to pass Florence on the depth chart sometime this season. And if he pans out as expected, he'll demote Jammer to number two shortly as well (which I think he is better suited to be at).

[OrangeShadow]

anyone else thinking that denver is going to have 3 DB's in the pro bowl this year?

Id say 2

[Mediator12]

I have to agree that Jammer is actually an underrated corner.

It's a love hate thing with him though. 95% of the game he is very solid and as much as I hate the term "shutdown", you could apply that to him. But he will often give up a big play in a game which really hurts.

His main problem is that he has poor ball awareness which sometimes leads him to commit penalties and hinders his abilities to cause turnovers. Because of that, I don't think he'll ever be an elite corner and playmaker but he can stick with his man as good as anyone. Add to the fact that the corner spot opposite him has been weak his entire time in San Diego, teams will just throw to that side and avoid Jammer.

He hasn't lived up to his draft spot (#5 overall) and he's not an elite player but he's a very solid corner who can take away the receiver for most of the game. Most teams would like to have a corner like that.

Cromartie is the one to watch out for in the future. He has major playmaker potential. I expect him to pass Florence on the depth chart sometime this season. And if he pans out as expected, he'll demote Jammer to number two shortly as well (which I think he is better suited to be at).

I think this is a fairly accurate Statement, except that Jammer is underrated. His consistency is just too poor from play to play. As I have said repeatedly, he will be a great #2 CB when Cromartie emerges as he has the physical tools to match up with any WR let alone a #2 WR on most teams. His weakness has always been mental, and it has only slightly improved over his carreer.

[400HZ]

I think this is a fairly accurate Statement, except that Jammer is underrated. His consistency is just too poor from play to play. As I have said repeatedly, he will be a great #2 CB when Cromartie emerges as he has the physical tools to match up with any WR let alone a #2 WR on most teams. His weakness has always been mental, and it has only slightly improved over his carreer.

The good thing about Jammer is that he is still improving every year. He took a big step forward in 05, and another big step forward in 06. The one aspect that he always gets overlooked in is run support. CBs have a lot of run responsibilities in 3-4 D's, and Jammer is excellent at it.

Drayton Florence was also looking real good in the second half of last year. I think the main factor there was McCree coming in and giving us a decent player at safety for once.

[Mediator12]

And I will say Ty Law did just fine. Except for the occasional play where he fell down he did just fine.

The weakness in our pass defense, besides the pass rush, was with the safeties and linebackers. Kendrell Bell and Kawika Mitchell did not fit the cover 2 and did a horrible job most of the time in coverage. Also, safeties Sammy Knight and Greg Wesley simply don't fit the cover 2. Any long passing plays are usually the fault of the safety, not the cornerback. Also, it was pretty obvious that most completions against the Chiefs were in the gap between the linebackers and the safeties. Kawika Mitchell could not get back there fast enough and the safeties were not able to make the right plays either.

Cornerbacks were far from a weakness for us last year. Ty Law definitely wasn't a weakness. According to footballoutsiders.com the Chiefs were ranked 4th in covering #1 wide receivers. That was almost always the responsibility of Ty Law. The only teams ahead of us were Denver, Oakland, and Buffalo.

To say Ty Law was a weakness is rediculous and shows a complete lack of intelligence. It is ignorant.

If your argument is they played a cover two, then the responsibility of the #1 WR was not on Ty Law. His responsibility would be a zone, not a player. If the weakness was the gaps between the LB's and Safeties then TE's should have been rated much weaker than they were.

To post such drivel as proof of Ty Law not regressing in that defense last year is just your basic homerism that you typically display here. If you played press man coverage on the #1 WR's most of the time or cover three, then Law would be more responsible for the #1 WR 's numbers. Trying to make a solid football argument while missing the design of your defensive scheme and calling others on their lack of intelligence is quite pathetic.

[broncsyanks]

i have to agree with this. but let me just say 1 thing for those who turn a blind eye- does this mean teams will not attempt to throw on us no it doesnt. does it increase our chances against the pass? absolutely. will teams complete passes against us? yes. it all comes down to our pass rush IMHO

[Florida_Bronco]

If your argument is they played a cover two, then the responsibility of the #1 WR was not on Ty Law. His responsibility would be a zone, not a player. If the weakness was the gaps between the LB's and Safeties then TE's should have been rated much weaker than they were.

To post such drivel as proof of Ty Law not regressing in that defense last year is just your basic homerism that you typically display here. If you played press man coverage on the #1 WR's most of the time or cover three, then Law would be more responsible for the #1 WR 's numbers. Trying to make a solid football argument while missing the design of your defensive scheme and calling others on their lack of intelligence is quite pathetic.

Ouch...that's gonna leave a mark! LOL

[CHANGSTER]

I have to agree that Jammer is actually an underrated corner.

It's a love hate thing with him though. 95% of the game he is very solid and as much as I hate the term "shutdown", you could apply that to him. But he will often give up a big play in a game which really hurts.

His main problem is that he has poor ball awareness which sometimes leads him to commit penalties and hinders his abilities to cause turnovers. Because of that, I don't think he'll ever be an elite corner and playmaker but he can stick with his man as good as anyone. Add to the fact that the corner spot opposite him has been weak his entire time in San Diego, teams will just throw to that side and avoid Jammer.

He hasn't lived up to his draft spot (#5 overall) and he's not an elite player but he's a very solid corner who can take away the receiver for most of the game. Most teams would like to have a corner like that.


kmartin575 mentioned the football outsiders ratings that KC was 4th against the 1st WR to justify Ty Laws play.

The Chargers were actually 25th against the 1st WR according to those stats. So someones argument doesnt fit, depending on how much weight you put into those stats.

[Mediator12]

kmartin575 mentioned the football outsiders ratings that KC was 4th against the 1st WR to justify Ty Laws play.

The Chargers were actually 25th against the 1st WR according to those stats. So someones argument doesnt fit, depending on how much weight you put into those stats.

Those stats do not take into account the scheme, who actually covers the #1 WR on any given play, and sometimes is misguided by who a teams number one WR is. Usually a #1 WR lines up on the right side of the formation, but Javon Walker was our de facto #1 WR last year and he took the majority of his snaps from the left side.

Also, injuries and player refression do not factor into the equation of WHO the number one WR is on some teams like DEN last year. Rod Smith entered the year as DEN's #1 WR and Javon Walker finished it as the # 1 WR.

The rankings that matter for CB's will be out with their 2007 prospectus. The rankings on the site are just data of where the reviewer saw the completion going. I have done reviews for them in the past and the reviews are dependent on the quality of the reviewer ;D Others who have reviewed DEN games for them came up with some interesting views on who was covering a player to say the least. The Prospectus has more input from multiple sources than the online raw data.

[CHANGSTER]

Those stats do not take into account the scheme, who actually covers the #1 WR on any given play, and sometimes is misguided by who a teams number one WR is. Usually a #1 WR lines up on the right side of the formation, but Javon Walker was our de facto #1 WR last year and he took the majority of his snaps from the left side.

Also, injuries and player refression do not factor into the equation of WHO the number one WR is on some teams like DEN last year. Rod Smith entered the year as DEN's #1 WR and Javon Walker finished it as the # 1 WR.

The rankings that matter for CB's will be out with their 2007 prospectus. The rankings on the site are just data of where the reviewer saw the completion going. I have done reviews for them in the past and the reviews are dependent on the quality of the reviewer ;D Others who have reviewed DEN games for them came up with some interesting views on who was covering a player to say the least. The Prospectus has more input from multiple sources than the online raw data.

I see, I just liked em cause they have Denver 1st against the #1 hah

Also explains why I can constantly burn a teams #2 corner with Walker when I play madden :laugh:

[loborugger]

And what will it matter if we have the best two cover corners in the league IF WE CANT GET A PASS RUSH???

[Los Broncos]

It all looks good on paper but they have to go and prove out on the field.

[Raider Bill]

And what will it matter if we have the best two cover corners in the league IF WE CANT GET A PASS RUSH???

I don't think it's any coincidence that guys like Jammer and Asomougha are moving up the list, look at the sack totals Oakland and SD put up.

[Mediator12]

And what will it matter if we have the best two cover corners in the league IF WE CANT GET A PASS RUSH???

It actually means a lot. If you have the worst pass rush, you better compensate witha the best set of CB's you can find. If they do get a semblance of a consistent Pass rush this year, then the overall defense will be much improved and make the jump to the Elite level from simply very good.

This is not the same set of players that took the field from last year and this is not going to be the same scheme either. The run defense will probably be a little worse until the DT's adjust and get much better, and the pass defense could be much better with outside Pass rush and a better CB. The key will be winning first down in order to get the pass rushers in Dumervil and Moss on the field early.

[fontaine]

It actually means a lot. If you have the worst pass rush, you better compensate witha the best set of CB's you can find. If they do get a semblance of a consistent Pass rush this year, then the overall defense will be much improved and make the jump to the Elite level from simply very good.

This is not the same set of players that took the field from last year and this is not going to be the same scheme either. The run defense will probably be a little worse until the DT's adjust and get much better, and the pass defense could be much better with outside Pass rush and a better CB. The key will be winning first down in order to get the pass rushers in Dumervil and Moss on the field early.

You think our pass rush will be better? Maybe towards the end of the season. But I think we'll be lucky to see Moss/Crowder on the field much in September/October. Rookie DEs are notoriously unpredictable.

[Mediator12]

You think our pass rush will be better? Maybe towards the end of the season. But I think we'll be lucky to see Moss/Crowder on the field much in September/October. Rookie DEs are notoriously unpredictable.

I do. The new scheme will produce a more effective pass rush from day one, but the rush defense will suffer as the DT's are not very well suited to two gap inside. It is about cost benefit analysis. Coyer hedged against the run first and played zone behind it with poor DL. Bates will play the pass first and relinquish rushing yards until the DT's, new LB's, and others settle into Man coverage behind it. Playing Off zone coverage helped the CB's support the run better. Now they are going to be susceptible to having their backs turned in coverage and will not play as much of a run support role.

The rookies and Dumervil will get their chances in a one gap scheme, but do not have to be starters to contribute from day one. I just worry about first down a lot. Teams will run and Play action pass more effectively with this style of defense. Having a proven stud on the DL would make me less worried, especially at DT, but they do not have that luxury right now do they ;D

[CHANGSTER]

You think our pass rush will be better? Maybe towards the end of the season. But I think we'll be lucky to see Moss/Crowder on the field much in September/October. Rookie DEs are notoriously unpredictable.

I think even if they don't see the field till later in the season, the new scheme in place will help produce a little more pressure right off the bat.

Edit: Mediator beat me too it LOL

[Requiem]

Mediator, I was curious to see where Antoine Winfield ranked from what you were able to get your hands on.

This report claims Bailey's the best run defender, but I've seen almost every Minnesota game (because they're all aired here) the past three seasons and I see Winfield getting more stuffs (especially this past year) and being far more aggressive in run support, I think he has better form - and pound per pound I think he's one of the best tacklers in the league, not just at his position.

Bailey obviously is the better player, but I've always considered Winfield to be hands down the best run defending cornerback in the league.

Your thoughts? Do you know where Antoine was on the list you provided for the Broncos rankings wise?

[Xenos]

I have to agree that Jammer is actually an underrated corner.

It's a love hate thing with him though. 95% of the game he is very solid and as much as I hate the term "shutdown", you could apply that to him. But he will often give up a big play in a game which really hurts.
His main problem is that he has poor ball awareness which sometimes leads him to commit penalties and hinders his abilities to cause turnovers. Because of that, I don't think he'll ever be an elite corner and playmaker but he can stick with his man as good as anyone. Add to the fact that the corner spot opposite him has been weak his entire time in San Diego, teams will just throw to that side and avoid Jammer.

He hasn't lived up to his draft spot (#5 overall) and he's not an elite player but he's a very solid corner who can take away the receiver for most of the game. Most teams would like to have a corner like that.

Cromartie is the one to watch out for in the future. He has major playmaker potential. I expect him to pass Florence on the depth chart sometime this season. And if he pans out as expected, he'll demote Jammer to number two shortly as well (which I think he is better suited to be at).
Jammer improved even more in 2006 than in 2005 in terms of consistency. In fact his consistency and his experience is one of the reason why he'll be the number 1 for a long while. Even in games where he hasn't played very well (ie. the Bengals game), he has stepped up when it mattered most and helped us out. Why do you think Henry dropped that easy td pass on the last drive?
You'll notice that in the past he tends to try to keep everything in front of him which is why he gives up a lot of the short passes. One major reason for that is that he never had a relible safety, which is why he improved so much this season with the addition of McCree. He also hasn't given up that many big plays over the last two years. The biggest that comes to mind was obviously the Reche Caldwell catch, which was as much his fault as Wade Phillip for calling such a stupid coverage scheme. It was also the second pass that was completed on him in that game.
In 2005 he gave up only 2 touchdowns, one to Plaxico Burress and the other to Chris Chambers. In 2006, he gave up three touchdowns, but he also made more plays on the ball, and less penalty, and got more interceptions thanks to the addition of Marlon. If Marlon can completely recover from his injury and Weddle steps it up then Jammer will have more interceptions since he won't have to worry about blanketing the receiver all the time, but instead can make plays on the ball.

In fact, me and some others were actually keeping track of his progress during the 2006 season (The Beast actually took the time to write all this up though):
Week 1 -
Randy Moss 5 yards
Randy Moss 12 yards
Randy Moss 20 yards
Ronald Curry 21 yards
Total = 4 Catches 58 yards

Week 2 -
David Givens 18 yards
David Givens 9 yards
Jammer Int
Total =2 Catches 27 yards 1 Int

Week 4 -
Derrick Mason 9 yards
Demetrius Williams 6 yards
Jammer Int
Derrick Mason 5 Yards
Derrick Mason 3 yards
Total = 4 Catches 23 yards 1 Int

Week 5 -
Nate Washington 13 yards
Santonio Holmes 13 yards
Cedric Wilson 9 yards
Hines Ward 4 yards
Total = 4 Catches 39 yards

Week 6 -
Antonio Bryant 15 yards
Brian Gilmore 15yard TD
Antonio Bryant 14 Yards
Total = 3 Catches 44yards 1TD

Week 7 -
Tony Gonzales 0 yards
Eddie Kennison 21 yard TD
Eddie Kennison 9 yards
Total = 3 catches 30 yards 1TD

Week 8 -
Torry Holt 9 yards
Torry Holt 4 yards
Isaac Bruce 10 yards
Isaac Bruce 7 yards
Total = 4 Catches 30 yards

Week 9 -
Braylon Edwards 1 yard
Braylon Edwards 5 yards
Braylon Edwards 20 yards
Kellen Winslow 0 yards
Total = 4 Catches 26 yards

Week 10 -
Chad Johnson 17 yards
TJ Houshmanzadeh 13 yards
Chad Johnson 11 yards
Chad Johnson 7 yards
Chad Johnson 13 yards
Chad Johnson 12 yards
Total = 6 Catches 73 yards

Week 11 -
Javon Walker 23 yards
Total = 1 Catch 23 yards

Week 12 -
Ronald Curry 8 yards
Joe Madsen 2 yards TD
Jammer Int
Total = 2 Catches 10 yards 1TD 1Int

Week 13 -
Josh Reed 23 yards
INT
Total = 1 Catch 23 yards

Week 14 -
Rod Smith 1 yard
Javon Walker 9 yards
Total = 2 Catches 10 yards

Week 15 -
Eddie Kennison 4 yards
Eddie Kennison 8 yards
Kris Wilson 3 yards
Eddie Kennison 8 yards
Dante Hall 3 yards
Total = 5 Catches 26 yards

Week 16 -
D.J. Hackett 7 yards
Deion Branch 11 yards
Deion Branch 17 yards
Total = 3 Catches 35 yards

Week 17 -
Anquan Boldin 7 yards
Bryant Johnson 21 yards
Anquan Boldin 64 yards - yukky open field tackling by the other DBs, Jammer actually had good coverage initially but Boldin broke off his route after being jammed at the LOS.

Receivers Jammer has covered this season have 51 receptions 569 yards and 3tds, while Jammer has 4 picks and 14 deflections

Jammer can be held accountable for 17% of receiving yards and 15% of touchdowns against the Chargers.

Jammer has been penalized twice, one completely bogus call against the browns where the receiver faked out the official.
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I'm not saying that Jammer will reach Champ's level. Very few corners can. But he's only 27 and he's just heading into his prime. The best thing is that we got rid of that sorry excuse for a secondary coach Brian Stewart, and got someone with better track record in Bill Bradley. Obviously, the downside is that the secondary as a whole may have to adjust to the new coaching. But as whole, I suspect Jammer to improve even more than last season, because that's just who he is. He's a hard worker who played like it was his contract year even though he had gotten a contract a month before the season started.

[DeuceOfClub]

In fact, me and some others were actually keeping track of his progress during the 2006 season (The Beast actually took the time to write all this up though):


For some reason you forgot to list his penalties. Probably an honest mistake.

Jammer is a below average CB. If he has good Special Team skills he could probably fight for the #4 CB in Denver.

[BroncoBuff]

Those ratings are foolish ... Terence Newman is at least #3.
He's #2 in my book.

[Xenos]

For some reason you forgot to list his penalties. Probably an honest mistake.

Jammer is a below average CB. If he has good Special Team skills he could probably fight for the #4 CB in Denver.

Yeah, it's at the bottom. One was in the Brown's game and the other was in the Steelers game against Hines Ward.
There should probably be one more that wasn't called, which was the one on Brandon Marshall in the second Denver game. See I'm not that bias.

[CoMoChief]

Two words that should never be in the same sentence.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Their pass rush is great, but the pure talent at that position isn't great at all.

[boltaneer]

Jammer is a below average CB. If he has good Special Team skills he could probably fight for the #4 CB in Denver.

Reading the little motto below your avatar, I can see why you see things in a skewed world, as I have no idea what the correlation between communism, steroids and Olshansky is.

We all know Bailey is the best at his position and I've always liked Bly but Jammer would be fighting him for the #2 spot if he were on the Broncos. Jammer being a 'below average CB' and a #4 CB if he were in Denver are pretty ridiculous statements IMO.

[400HZ]

You guys always like to attribute any success SD's secondary has on the pass rush, but that's a two way street. There were a LOT of coverage sacks this year, and that was with Terrence Kiel starting who got lost and/or burnt consistantly. If Eric Weddle steps in and plays well and McCree's knee doesn't slow him down, SD's secondary as a whole could definetely be in the top 30% or so next year. The front seven is as good or better than any in the league. It sucks that Wade left, but I think Cotrell definetely has the talent in place to have a top 5 defense this season. Denver has a better cornerback tandem, but that's 2 out of 11 spots on the field.

[Mediator12]

Mediator, I was curious to see where Antoine Winfield ranked from what you were able to get your hands on.

This report claims Bailey's the best run defender, but I've seen almost every Minnesota game (because they're all aired here) the past three seasons and I see Winfield getting more stuffs (especially this past year) and being far more aggressive in run support, I think he has better form - and pound per pound I think he's one of the best tacklers in the league, not just at his position.

Bailey obviously is the better player, but I've always considered Winfield to be hands down the best run defending cornerback in the league.

Your thoughts? Do you know where Antoine was on the list you provided for the Broncos rankings wise?

No. I have no idea about where he stands.

That would be very subjective and hard to isolate though. I know Last year Winfield got to play in a Cover two scheme that requires strong run support from the CB's though. I also have seen him play a few times and was impressed with his overall run support and technique.

The thing about playing the run, is that it is all mental. Sure, it helps to be Bigger if you have the right attitude but Winfield plays the run like Bob Sanders does. Like a heat seeking missile! Champ is just a sure tackler who has made more than a few game saving tackles. For sure, Winfield has a better scheme to work from but its a tough one to call.

[Requiem]

No. I have no idea about where he stands.

That would be very subjective and hard to isolate though. I know Last year Winfield got to play in a Cover two scheme that requires strong run support from the CB's though. I also have seen him play a few times and was impressed with his overall run support and technique.

The thing about playing the run, is that it is all mental. Sure, it helps to be Bigger if you have the right attitude but Winfield plays the run like Bob Sanders does. Like a heat seeking missile! Champ is just a sure tackler who has made more than a few game saving tackles. For sure, Winfield has a better scheme to work from but its a tough one to call.

I'm in a pretty heated debate over on Broncomania, so I was just curious.

Did the reports you have mention where Winfield ranked among the top CB's in the game? You cited, Bailey, Newman, etc. but did it offer anything at all. (You said you didn't know where he stood, but I wasn't sure if that was in regards to run support or overall.)

I didn't want to belittle anyone over on Broncomania, but I did state that differences in scheme (Minnesota's Cover 2) might have had a reason why Winfield might be considered better. I just love the way he plays. Dude plays special teams and he's the #1 CB because he kicks ass at tackling.

I know Scouts Inc. is controversial, but I read their report on them (for giggles, and I did use it to back up my argument) and it did state that Winfield has no weakness against the run. His form (wrap-up) and the angles he takes are second to none.

He's been regarded like that since he was a kid though, he used to be a S, so I can see the mentality part.

I think he's one of the better corners overall in the league.

[Xenos]

Those ratings are foolish ... Terence Newman is at least #3.
He's #2 in my book.

After going a season without giving up a TD in 2005, he then gave up 5 tds in 2006, one of which was to Mike Williams. It happens obviously. But I guess that's one reason why he dropped. Also he probably didn't have as many interceptions as the others. Interceptions, unfortunatley, have become the standards that all corners are based on.

[Kaylore]

If your argument is they played a cover two, then the responsibility of the #1 WR was not on Ty Law. His responsibility would be a zone, not a player. If the weakness was the gaps between the LB's and Safeties then TE's should have been rated much weaker than they were.

To post such drivel as proof of Ty Law not regressing in that defense last year is just your basic homerism that you typically display here. If you played press man coverage on the #1 WR's most of the time or cover three, then Law would be more responsible for the #1 WR 's numbers. Trying to make a solid football argument while missing the design of your defensive scheme and calling others on their lack of intelligence is quite pathetic.

Ha ha!

[Kaylore]

I have to agree that Jammer is actually an underrated corner.

It's a love hate thing with him though. 95% of the game he is very solid and as much as I hate the term "shutdown", you could apply that to him. But he will often give up a big play in a game which really hurts.

His main problem is that he has poor ball awareness which sometimes leads him to commit penalties and hinders his abilities to cause turnovers. Because of that, I don't think he'll ever be an elite corner and playmaker but he can stick with his man as good as anyone. Add to the fact that the corner spot opposite him has been weak his entire time in San Diego, teams will just throw to that side and avoid Jammer.

He hasn't lived up to his draft spot (#5 overall) and he's not an elite player but he's a very solid corner who can take away the receiver for most of the game. Most teams would like to have a corner like that.

Cromartie is the one to watch out for in the future. He has major playmaker potential. I expect him to pass Florence on the depth chart sometime this season. And if he pans out as expected, he'll demote Jammer to number two shortly as well (which I think he is better suited to be at).
I agree with most of this - especially the last part. Cromartie is the one who will be a true number one corner. He moves better in the hips, his ball instincts are superior and he doesn't panic the way Jammer does. Jammer is a very good number two corner and a very average number one corner.

Someone was poo-pooing Asomugha and I really wouldn't. Nnamdi Asomugha is already playing at an elite level and at 6-2 and 210 he has the size and speed to match up on any receiver in the league. He is going to be force and I really hope that the Raiders trade him to some team in AFC because the less we see of him the better.

Antoine Winfield is one of the best tackling defensive backs in the league. In fact you could almost say he is the opposite of Dre Bly where he doesn't make a lot of big plays but he really can lock down a guy and has good, fundamental tackling ability. He'll do well in the scheme he's in, but it won't yield the sexy stats and he'll continue to be very underrated.

[Atwater His Ass]

kinda off topic, but what is the consenus in the hypothetical situation of Winfield playing safety?