chuck liddell vs. rampage......anyone watching?

[kamakazi_kal]

I can't friggin wait for this fight it should be a slugfest.
I'm a little disappointed that rampage is already getting a title shot after winning only one UFC fight.

The card as a whole looks darn good, I'm also looking foward to seeing Karo fight again after he got his ass handed to him last time.

Who's winning the main event I got chuck in the 3rd round by knockout.

[clarkster]

i want to, but i cant support the PPV cost right now. i think chuck will harvest his soul. that guys an absolute animal

[kamakazi_kal]

i want to, but i cant support the PPV cost right now. i think chuck will harvest his soul. that guys an absolute animal

just get like 3 or 4 friends and each cough up like 8 or 9 bucks .........and wamo

their are a few places out here (socal) that are showing the fight

[clarkster]

think ill wait until they show it on spike later in the month

[epicSocialism4tw]

Liddell got whipped last time. Jackson should whip him again.

[ant1999e]

I'll be out of town, but I think I'll try and find a bar that is having it. Looks real exciting.

[Dagmar]

He was good in Entourage...

[p7superfly]

Rampage no longer has the 'rage' that he had in Pride.

He's found Jesus. Good for him, but he no longer has that 'attack until death' mentality ...

Plus the rules in the UFC don't allow for a lot of the vicioius knees to the head that Wanderlei and Rampage used to throw on the ground.


Chuck should avenge it. I love Rampage, though, and hope he wins ... odds are just stacked against him. The UFC is Chuck's house.

[55CrushEm]

I can't friggin wait for this fight it should be a slugfest.
I'm a little disappointed that rampage is already getting a title shot after winning only one UFC fight.
The card as a whole looks darn good, I'm also looking foward to seeing Karo fight again after he got his ass handed to him last time.

Who's winning the main event I got chuck in the 3rd round by knockout.

Yeah, but so did Anderson Silva (middleweight)....he had only fought Chris Leben, before he got the title shot vs. Rich Franklin.

Dana White really tries to evaluate MMA fighters everywhere in the world and bring them to the UFC. The UFC is only one of many MMA venues.....albeit, yes, it is the most popular. While Anderson Silva had only one other UFC fight prior to his title shot.....he was fighting in other venues. He was regarded as one of the most dangerous middleweights in the world.

[clarkster]

thats true and MMA is gaining popularity all over. theres like 3 channles that have it regularly now. i think its awesome, i can watch an asskicking in progress almost 24 hrs a day

[orange crusher]

Chuck will win by stoppage in the 2nd.

[kamakazi_kal]

Yeah, but so did Anderson Silva (middleweight)....he had only fought Chris Leben, before he got the title shot vs. Rich Franklin.

Dana White really tries to evaluate MMA fighters everywhere in the world and bring them to the UFC. The UFC is only one of many MMA venues.....albeit, yes, it is the most popular. While Anderson Silva had only one other UFC fight prior to his title shot.....he was fighting in other venues. He was regarded as one of the most dangerous middleweights in the world.

anderson silva is one sick dude

[55CrushEm]

anderson silva is one sick dude

Yes sir. I'm a big Rich Franklin fan....and Rich was rolling through the middleweight competition. I expected the David Louiseau (sp?) fight to be his biggest threat...but he dominated him, too.

Then along comes Silva, and he kicked Franklin's a$$.....

[scorpio]

Chuck by eye gouge

(actually I voted for Rampage and hope he wins, but I wish he could have had a couple more tune-up fights in the cage.)

[CBF1]

More like a beating of biblical proportions.

[55CrushEm]

Chuck by eye gouge

(actually I voted for Rampage and hope he wins, but I wish he could have had a couple more tune-up fights in the cage.)

Yeah, I WANT Rampage to win.....but I voted for Chuck, as he seems unbeatable.

Funny thing is....even Chuck himself has said in interviews "I'm the easiest fighter to figure out.".....

I call it precision punching....he lands one blow on the temple, and guys just crumble.....ala Randy Couture.....

[scorpio]

I call it precision punching....he lands one blow on the temple, and guys just crumble.....ala Randy Couture.....

Jamming his thumb in their eyeball helps a lot too

[scorpio]

I slowed down my TIVO and here is the real reason CroCop lost to Gonzaga:


http://s2.supload.com/files/default/cop-conspiracy3.gif

[Los Broncos]

I would like to see Chuck win, rampage scares me.

[kamakazi_kal]

I saw a prefight interview with rampage on spike the other night and they were talking about how he's training in high altitude, then they show like a 5min montage of that fool howling on diffrent cliffs and mountians. dumbass :spit:

I hope chuck smashes his gold tooth in.

[p7superfly]

Do any of you guys go to the Ring of Fire MMA events in Broomfield and Castle Rock?

[scorpio]

Do any of you guys go to the Ring of Fire MMA events in Broomfield and Castle Rock?

I went to one at the Graystone Castle like 5 years ago. It was pretty decent. I live in Fort Collins now though so I don't make it down there all that often.

There's a promotion that holds events at the Budweiser Events Center in Loveland though, been meaning to check it out.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

i once peed next to chuck. He breathes heavy in the rest room

[DB-Freak]

Although most pride guys will have the disadvantage of getting used to the cage, this may work to rampage's favor.

It probably will help rampage take down chuck and keep him down there when rampage is in trouble.

[SleepingTiger]

anderson silva is one sick dude

Silva is nothing but a washed up fighter from pride. He had back to back loses to mediocre fighters in pride before moving on to ufc.

Leben and Franklin didn't do their homework and tried to have a slug fest. If either of them would of taken Silva down, the fight would of been different.

[SleepingTiger]

Rampage no longer has the 'rage' that he had in Pride.

He's found Jesus. Good for him, but he no longer has that 'attack until death' mentality ...

Plus the rules in the UFC don't allow for a lot of the vicioius knees to the head that Wanderlei and Rampage used to throw on the ground.


Chuck should avenge it. I love Rampage, though, and hope he wins ... odds are just stacked against him. The UFC is Chuck's house.

They should change the rules in the UFC. Atleast allow soccer kicks and stomping. Knees on the ground should also be allowed. Too many times fighters would try to go on their knees to avoid further punishment and recover.

[orange crusher]

Although most pride guys will have the disadvantage of getting used to the cage, this may work to rampage's favor.

It probably will help rampage take down chuck and keep him down there when rampage is in trouble.

Chuck has an excellent take down defense. If Rampage is in trouble, I don't see him taking Chuck down unless Chuck gets really sloppy.

[crowebomber]

Chuck has an excellent take down defense. If Rampage is in trouble, I don't see him taking Chuck down unless Chuck gets really sloppy.

I agree. Chuck might have the best takedown defense around. Randy is one of the best takedown guys around and he had to beat Chuck with a punch the first time and couldn't get near his legs the second time.

But Rampage can swing with the best of them, and Chuck is prone to eating a punch when he's delivering his offense, so Rampage has a better than decent puncher's chance.

That being said, I still say Chuck wins by KO in the 2nd.

[vancejohnson82]

Rampage doesnt have a chance

Chuck is just too good right now

[scorpio]

Chuck's takedown defense goes to sh** when he gets tired, which is how Rampage tooled him in the first fight

[DB-Freak]

Chuck's takedown defense goes to sh** when he gets tired, which is how Rampage tooled him in the first fight

When you're tired, a lot of things go to ****.

[Steve Prefontaine]

I would love to see the fight but I have a damn wedding. Big UFC fan.

Oh, and I'm taking Liddell to avenge the loss.

[SleepingTiger]

I agree. Chuck might have the best takedown defense around. Randy is one of the best takedown guys around and he had to beat Chuck with a punch the first time and couldn't get near his legs the second time.

But Rampage can swing with the best of them, and Chuck is prone to eating a punch when he's delivering his offense, so Rampage has a better than decent puncher's chance.

That being said, I still say Chuck wins by KO in the 2nd.


ummm, did you ever see the first fight? Randy supprised Chuck with his stand up and then later on transitioned to the ground and pound. Randy had atleast 5 takedowns the first fight.

[Jason7730]

I am really looking forward to this fight. The whole card looks pretty good. As hard as it may be for Rampage, I feel his only chance to win is to get Chuck to the ground. Chuck's take down defense is among the best in MMA, so Rampage needs to hope he can get one of his famous "pick up and slam" take downs and then try and keep up against the cage. (easier said than done). I was hoping to see Chuck kick the crap out of Wanderlei Silva , but he has been getting the **** kicked out of himself lately. Most recently by American Wrestler Dan Henderson who knocked him the *uck out. Oh, did I enjoy that!!! I laugh my ass off at F. Mayweather who said that MMA is only a fad. Despite what he has said, he would never get in the ring (or Octagon) with any of the top lightweights in MMA. He would run like a chicken (literally) until he got taken down and then it would be over soon. It's hard to be a boxing fan these days. IMHO.

[SleepingTiger]

Rampage doesnt have a chance

Chuck is just too good right now


Who has Chuck fought lately that makes him so great? Tito, Babalou, Randy? Wanderlei twice challenged Chuck. Wanderlei even came on ufc and challenged him. Where was Chuck? He's too busy talking about how he wants to fight Crocop, Fedor, Nogeria and Wanderlei on the radio standing behind the protection of UFC and Dana White.

Don't get me wrong, Chuck is a good fighter no doubt. Prolly the most leathal hands in the cage. Why don't he go ahead and fight guys like Wanderlei, Shogun and Henderson. Instead he is too busy fighting average fighters like Rampage.

[SleepingTiger]

I am really looking forward to this fight. The whole card looks pretty good. As hard as it may be for Rampage, I feel his only chance to win is to get Chuck to the ground. Chuck's take down defense is among the best in MMA, so Rampage needs to hope he can get one of his famous "pick up and slam" take downs and then try and keep up against the cage. (easier said than done). I was hoping to see Chuck kick the crap out of Wanderlei Silva , but he has been getting the **** kicked out of himself lately. Most recently by American Wrestler Dan Henderson who knocked him the *uck out. Oh, did I enjoy that!!! I laugh my ass off at F. Mayweather who said that MMA is only a fad. Despite what he has said, he would never get in the ring (or Octagon) with any of the top lightweights in MMA. He would run like a chicken (literally) until he got taken down and then it would be over soon. It's hard to be a boxing fan these days. IMHO.

Henderson really supprised me with his power. He fought a perfect fight against Wanderlei.
Rampage has a great chin and he can take some serious punishment. See the fight between him and Wanderlei. He took some serious blows before finally getting knocked out by knees.

Boxing is dying and they know that. They try to rejuvenate it with the Oscar and Mayweather fight. I can't believe i paid $40 to watch that fight.

[kamakazi_kal]

Who has Chuck fought lately that makes him so great? Tito, Babalou, Randy? Wanderlei twice challenged Chuck. Wanderlei even came on ufc and challenged him. Where was Chuck? He's too busy talking about how he wants to fight Crocop, Fedor, Nogeria and Wanderlei on the radio standing behind the protection of UFC and Dana White.

Don't get me wrong, Chuck is a good fighter no doubt. Prolly the most leathal hands in the cage. Why don't he go ahead and fight guys like Wanderlei, Shogun and Henderson. Instead he is too busy fighting average fighters like Rampage.

im sure alot of this is contractual and tied up with money, all the guys you mentioned are big in japan but may not have the draw for the money they will demand.

chuck also hammered j. horn..... hes bad ass
let us also not forget, guy mezgr, kevin randelman, vetor belfort, alistair overeem and vernon white

[crowebomber]

ummm, did you ever see the first fight? Randy supprised Chuck with his stand up and then later on transitioned to the ground and pound. Randy had atleast 5 takedowns the first fight.

Um, that's basically what I said. Randy caught Chuck with that straight right then finished him on the ground in the first fight, but basically couldn't do anything on the ground the whole night. The second fight I don't think Randy took Chuck down once.

[SleepingTiger]

im sure alot of this is contractual and tied up with money, all the guys you mentioned are big in japan but may not have the draw for the money they will demand.

chuck also hammered j. horn..... hes bad ass
let us also not forget, guy mezgr, kevin randelman, vetor belfort, alistair overeem and vernon white

Jeremy Jorn is another average fighter. All the guys you mentioned have lost to either Shogun or Wanderlei.

I'm sure it has alot to do with money and contracts. Can you imagine Chuck against Fedor, Crocop or Shogun? Yet Chuck thinks he so bad ass that he can take down even Fedor.

Those guys aren't just big in Japan, but all over world. UFC is only big in the states.

You and I both know Chuck is the only bright spot for the UFC and Dana is protecting him right now. Setting him up with mediocre talent to boost the UFC. They tried to promote the hell out of GSP only to have him loose on his first title defence. Tim Silvia was a joke so they convinced Randy to come out of retirement. Anderson Silva is another average fighter in a weak division. The lightweight champion is Sean Sherk. He is about as boring as it gets. Take down and then snuggle with his oppenent for the next 5 minutes.

[SleepingTiger]

Um, that's basically what I said. Randy caught Chuck with that straight right then finished him on the ground in the first fight, but basically couldn't do anything on the ground the whole night. The second fight I don't think Randy took Chuck down once.

I thought you said Randy won with his stand up game. I thought it was more of both.

[Jason7730]

I am glad the UFC bought out Pride. It should make for some great matchup's in the future. Fedor is a badass. He doesn't look all that much like a world beater, but he knows how to finish. The best bet to beat him is to keep him on his feet, I you can. He seems like a pretty classy guy also. Matt Lindland was giving him a tough fight recently, until he got submitted by a leg lock if I remember correctly.

[Spider]

So I take it you are not talking about the WWF ....... or a date at a NASCAR event .........

[DB-Freak]

Who has Chuck fought lately that makes him so great? Tito, Babalou, Randy? Wanderlei twice challenged Chuck. Wanderlei even came on ufc and challenged him. Where was Chuck? He's too busy talking about how he wants to fight Crocop, Fedor, Nogeria and Wanderlei on the radio standing behind the protection of UFC and Dana White.

Don't get me wrong, Chuck is a good fighter no doubt. Prolly the most leathal hands in the cage. Why don't he go ahead and fight guys like Wanderlei, Shogun and Henderson. Instead he is too busy fighting average fighters like Rampage.

Wow talk about extreme bias...

I mean practically troll like bias.

[scorpio]

Wow talk about extreme bias...

I mean practically troll like bias.

In Sherdog-speak, the correct term is "Pride nut-hugger"

[kamakazi_kal]

Jeremy Jorn is another average fighter. All the guys you mentioned have lost to either Shogun or Wanderlei.

I'm sure it has alot to do with money and contracts. Can you imagine Chuck against Fedor, Crocop or Shogun? Yet Chuck thinks he so bad ass that he can take down even Fedor.

Those guys aren't just big in Japan, but all over world. UFC is only big in the states.

You and I both know Chuck is the only bright spot for the UFC and Dana is protecting him right now. Setting him up with mediocre talent to boost the UFC. They tried to promote the hell out of GSP only to have him loose on his first title defence. Tim Silvia was a joke so they convinced Randy to come out of retirement. Anderson Silva is another average fighter in a weak division. The lightweight champion is Sean Sherk. He is about as boring as it gets. Take down and then snuggle with his oppenent for the next 5 minutes.


sounds like you really dont like the UFC :rofl: at all.

i think all the guys you mentioned from pride are heavyweights and outweigh chuck by a good bit. - that may also have something to do with it

[Odysseus]

I hope you guys post up on this fight. This should be interesting. No vote.

[SleepingTiger]

In Sherdog-speak, the correct term is "Pride nut-hugger"


Tell me this, why did Chuck leave pride? Did you even know he used to fight in pride? He left pride after the loss to Rampage in 03. Sounds like he ran away from the competition to me. You can almost say the same thing for Rampage. He lost to Wanderlei twice and Shogun, but the difference is Rampage left on a winning streak.

I love both pride and ufc. MMA is MMA, but you guys put Chuck on this pedastel like he is the badest mofo to walk this earth. Anyone who follows mma can tell you who the best fighters in the world are.

Call it "pride-nut hugger" if you want. Let see the result of tonights fight.

[SleepingTiger]

sounds like you really dont like the UFC :rofl: at all.

i think all the guys you mentioned from pride are heavyweights and outweigh chuck by a good bit. - that may also have something to do with it


Not true, I actually pay to see the UFC fights. I wont be able to watch the fight because im flying tommorow night.

I know what weight division these guys are in. Its Chuck who called out Fedor and Crocop on the radio saying that he will move up in weight and fight them.

Shogun is prolly the best fighter today, he is undefeated and has knocked out Rampage and Randleman. He is also in Chucks weight division.

[scorpio]

Tell me this, why did Chuck leave pride? Did you even know he used to fight in pride? He left pride after the loss to Rampage in 03. Sounds like he ran away from the competition to me. You can almost say the same thing for Rampage. He lost to Wanderlei twice and Shogun, but the difference is Rampage left on a winning streak.

I love both pride and ufc. MMA is MMA, but you guys put Chuck on this pedastel like he is the badest mofo to walk this earth. Anyone who follows mma can tell you who the best fighters in the world are.

Call it "pride-nut hugger" if you want. Let see the result of tonights fight.

Chuck didn't leave Pride, he was never employed by Pride other than one fight with Guy Mezger in 2001. Dana White brought him over to enter the Grand Prix and that's it, he wasn't under contract with the Pride organization when he lost to Rampage.

Also, I haven't said anything even remotely complimentary of Chuck in this entire thread.

[DB-Freak]

Not true, I actually pay to see the UFC fights. I wont be able to watch the fight because im flying tommorow night.

I know what weight division these guys are in. Its Chuck who called out Fedor and Crocop on the radio saying that he will move up in weight and fight them.

Shogun is prolly the best fighter today, he is undefeated and has knocked out Rampage and Randleman. He is also in Chucks weight division.

Well not only biased, but ignorant as well.

By the way, I'm not just referring to the post I just quoted. It's everything that you said so far.

[kamakazi_kal]

Not true, I actually pay to see the UFC fights. I wont be able to watch the fight because im flying tommorow night.

I know what weight division these guys are in. Its Chuck who called out Fedor and Crocop on the radio saying that he will move up in weight and fight them.

Shogun is prolly the best fighter today, he is undefeated and has knocked out Rampage and Randleman. He is also in Chucks weight division.

well if chuck is in fact calling them out and is willing to move up....... how can you say dana is protecting him? how can you say he ran away? how can you say he's ducking them?

you sound like a hater..........

[SleepingTiger]

Chuck didn't leave Pride, he was never employed by Pride other than one fight with Guy Mezger in 2001. Dana White brought him over to enter the Grand Prix and that's it, he wasn't under contract with the Pride organization when he lost to Rampage.

Also, I haven't said anything even remotely complimentary of Chuck in this entire thread.


Nice info, didn't know that.

I'm not referring to you specificly, just the Chuck "nut-huggers"

[SleepingTiger]

well if chuck is in fact calling them out and is willing to move up....... how can you say dana is protecting him? how can you say he ran away? how can you say he's ducking them?

you sound like a hater..........

If i was a hater, why would i pay to watch the ufc events?

Where is this fight between wanderlei and chuck? obviously wanderlei wants chuck, he even came to a ufc event and challenged him.

never said he is ducking them, more of his head is to big. for him to move up in weight and challenge the heavyweights would be impossible feat.

and you know kana is protecting chuck because he is ufc right now.

[SleepingTiger]

Well not only biased, but ignorant as well.

By the way, I'm not just referring to the post I just quoted. It's everything that you said so far.

im biased and ignorant.. anymore names? i like the way you attack me when you dont even know me.

[BMF Bronco]

I think Rampage is going to win it, he's just too powerful for Chuck. I want Chuck to win, but I just don't think it's going to happen.

[DB-Freak]

im biased and ignorant.. anymore names? i like the way you attack me when you dont even know me.

I'm not calling you names or anything. I was referring to your posts actually. Didn't claim to know you at all.

[anthonypacino]

I can't get into this stuff, I've had friends who have tried to get me on board but even though I KNOW it's real fighting it still comes off to much like WWF to me, not real exciting either after a couple of hits they grapple on the mat and somebody sits on someone for the rest of the round (at least in the fights I have seen and it hasn't been alot)

[Broncoman13]

First things first... Chuck would get stomped by Fedor. He's easily the best fighter in the world. He does out weigh chuck by a good 30 lbs though.

Second, Wandelei isn't that great of a fighter. He's cheap and wins through pure agression. I think a fight between he and Chuck would be VERY entertaining.

Cro-Cop is my favorite fighter in all of MMA fighter. Followed by Mike Zwick. I don't think Chuck could be Cro-Cop though Mirko has shown he doesn't have the greatest chin.

On to the fight. If the fight were in Pride I would probably go with Rampage. However, Rampage seems to phsyc himself out rather easily. He claimed he was more nervous than ever before when he fought in the UFC for the first time. He fought Eastman for crying out loud. If he can't shake his nerves Chuck WILL put him to sleep.

Anybody else besides me watch the Ultimate Fighter? I love the fights and usually TIVO the show... that way I don't have to listen to the constant BS bleeping the entire show. Dana gets on there and raises hell about the guys acting like high schoolers yet every other word out of his mouth is bleeped. The fights are good and should only get better from this point on.

[SleepingTiger]

I'm not calling you names or anything. I was referring to your posts actually. Didn't claim to know you at all.

I would like to know what i said was ignorant and biased. When monson fought fujita, I cheered for monson. I thought fujita is slow, weak at striking and submission skills. I knew monson was going to submit him and I was right.

I said Chuck hasn't really been challenged. until he gets some and come out on top, I will not put him as best pound for pound like some others have. I think rampage is a good challenge for chuck. Still, i want to see chuck fight wanderlei or shogun. I hope chuck beats the **** out of wanderlei.

[orange crusher]

Who has Chuck fought lately that makes him so great? Tito, Babalou, Randy? Wanderlei twice challenged Chuck. Wanderlei even came on ufc and challenged him. Where was Chuck? He's too busy talking about how he wants to fight Crocop, Fedor, Nogeria and Wanderlei on the radio standing behind the protection of UFC and Dana White.

Don't get me wrong, Chuck is a good fighter no doubt. Prolly the most leathal hands in the cage. Why don't he go ahead and fight guys like Wanderlei, Shogun and Henderson. Instead he is too busy fighting average fighters like Rampage.

Tito Ortiz beat Wanderlei Silva and Chuck beat Ortiz twice, but Ortiz is no good and Silva is?

They announced that Liddel would fight Silva in a UFC/Pride matchup a while back. It's my understanding that it fell apart because Silva lost his "tune up" fight.

Chuck has fought the best the UFC has to offer. There hasn't been a lot of ufc/pride matchups in the past and Chuck certainly doesn't have the ability to make it happen. That may change with ufc taking over pride, but it hasn't been the way it has worked in the past.

[SleepingTiger]

Tito Ortiz beat Wanderlei Silva and Chuck beat Ortiz twice, but Ortiz is no good and Silva is?

They announced that Liddel would fight Silva in a UFC/Pride matchup a while back. It's my understanding that it fell apart because Silva lost his "tune up" fight.

Chuck has fought the best the UFC has to offer. There hasn't been a lot of ufc/pride matchups in the past and Chuck certainly doesn't have the ability to make it happen. That may change with ufc taking over pride, but it hasn't been the way it has worked in the past.

Silva also beat rampage twice by knocking him out. rampage beat chuck by referee stoppage. ortiz beat silva by decision.
the only lost silva has had in the last year is to crocop and henderson. silva lost to crocop during the open weight tournament, no shame there. Is that the tuneup fight your talking about? If it is, that isn't no tuneup fight.

BTW, just read on yahoo. This would be a badass fight if was to ever happen. If it did, i would gladly eat my crow about how dana is protecting chuck. I am more exited about the fight than who is right or wrong.

"RUA TO UFC

White said he's signed top light heavyweight contender Maurcio "Shogun" Rua, who had been competing in Pride, to a UFC contract.

Rua, who will likely be the top contender for the winner of Saturday's title fight between Chuck Liddell and Quinton Jackson, will probably debut for the UFC at UFC 72 next month in Belfast, Northern Ireland, though White emphasized he has made no decision. "

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=Armtp1REvWQwnDmstCvLJWidCIh4?slug=ki-notebook032507&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[BMF Bronco]

That's why they fight damn it. I don't care who beat whom when, until they strap on the gloves and get in the octogon, no one is better than anyone else. You're telling me that anyone expected Cro Cop to get his head literally knocked off by Gonzga in UFC70? Hell no, but it's what happened. He was supposed to be on the fast track to fight Couture for the title and put spark into the heavyweight division. Oops.

[Broncoman13]

Tito is still the highest paid fighter in UFC. That may soon change with the additions of Cro-Cop, Shogun, Rampage, and possibly Silva. If Dana is smart he puts Shogun up against good comp in his first fight. Stick him in the cage with Jeremy Horn. Horn is a tough cat that rarely goes down. Shogun will beat him, but it will prove to the naysayers that he belongs in the "best of the best" discussion and thus worthy of a championship bout.

Does anybody besides me think it's absurd that Matt Cerra is the champ. GSP should get another shot. He'll dominate him the 2nd time around. I honestly feel he took Cerra for granted and paid dealry for it.

On July 7th there will be some awesome fights. The card isn't filled out yet, but the first 3 fights are great matchups. Tito vs Rashad Evans. Nate the Great vs Anderson Silva, and then Hermes "Purple Hair" Franca vs Sean Sherk. Also fighting is Stephan Bonnar, Kenny Florian, Texas Crazy Horse, and Deigo Saravia. I used to hate Tito Ortiz. I thought he was nothing more than a punk. But then you see his training regimen and how hard core the dude is and he's hard not to like. I really like his "#1 student" Kendal Grove as well. I will say this though. Rashad Evans has looked pretty good lately. I think he will give Tito a lot of trouble early. If he can jump on Tito early he'll have a chance. But Tito cleans up from the middle of the 2nd on. His conditioning is tops in the UFC. Not sure about the Silva fight. It will be a good one, but it's hard to say who will win that one. Franca should tear up Sean Sherk. He's been begging for a chance at the title and I think he's going to come in like a mad man.

I looked at the fight card for tonight. Rampage vs Liddell is by far the best fight. I guess the Jardine fight will be okay as will the Karo fight. If Karo gets cut again early I'm going to laugh. That dude has to have the sharpest cheek bones in all of MMA!

[scorpio]

They're going to feed Serra to Matt Hughes and then probably let St. Pierre fight him for the belt. again.

I'm interested to watch Leben vs. Starnes tonight, should be a good slugfest.

[ludo21]

I like Liddell, the guy is on fire as of late.

should be a great stack of other matches as well, there as always is.....yet anotehr reason MMA beats boxing.

[BMF Bronco]

I think it's bull**** that Serra is going to fight Hughes again, another example of Dana White taking care of his Golden Children. GSP should be first in line for a rematch.

[SleepingTiger]

I guess I'm in the minority when it comes to gsp. I think the guy is overrated. He lost to cerra bad and it wasn't just because of a luck punch.

Rampage wins by KO in the 3rd round tonight via referee stoppage.

[SleepingTiger]

That's why they fight damn it. I don't care who beat whom when, until they strap on the gloves and get in the octogon, no one is better than anyone else. You're telling me that anyone expected Cro Cop to get his head literally knocked off by Gonzga in UFC70? Hell no, but it's what happened. He was supposed to be on the fast track to fight Couture for the title and put spark into the heavyweight division. Oops.


Exactly, that is why they fight. Note, if crocop was to ever fight gonzga again. I wouldn't bet on gonzga.

[CoMoChief]

I cant wait for this fight. I think Liddell will win this time around.

[DB-Freak]

I guess I'm in the minority when it comes to gsp. I think the guy is overrated. He lost to cerra bad and it wasn't just because of a luck punch.

Rampage wins by KO in the 3rd round tonight via referee stoppage.

how was he overrated?

[BMF Bronco]

I guess I'm in the minority when it comes to gsp. I think the guy is overrated. He lost to cerra bad and it wasn't just because of a luck punch.

Rampage wins by KO in the 3rd round tonight via referee stoppage.

GSP isn't over-rated, he greatly underestimated Serra in that match and left his chin open and whammo, got knocked the fugg out!

[SleepingTiger]

how was he overrated?


He should of lost to BJ penn first of all. The only notable win he has is over trigg and a tired and worn out hughes. I want to see a rematch between hughes and gsp. I think it will be a different outcome. hughes has a purpose this time.
I rate fighters on quality of competition and finish. Is he fighting the best or is he just trying to get a W? How is he beating the competition? Knock outs or split decision? I just don't see how gsp is all that great like some fans think. I admit, I don't really care for gsp and i think he is a punk. Look at how he lost to serra. It wasn't just a lucky punch or kick. I see serra winning in a rematch.

[SleepingTiger]

GSP isn't over-rated, he greatly underestimated Serra in that match and left his chin open and whammo, got knocked the fugg out!


This is his first title defense, he should be on top of his game no matter what! You don't win the title and then underestimate your next match because your the champ. I remember he beat sherk and went on his knees and begged for a title shot. Where is the passion now?
If he isn't overrated then he is moron.

It wasn't just one punch that rocked gsp. It was several including the forearm that hit him in the back of the head that set it all up.

[BMF Bronco]

This is his first title defense, he should be on top of his game no matter what! You don't win the title and then underestimate your next match because your the champ. I remember he beat sherk and went on his knees and begged for a title shot. Where is the passion now?
If he isn't overrated then he is moron.

It wasn't just one punch that rocked gsp. It was several including the forearm that hit him in the back of the head that set it all up.

Remember though, this fight was put off for some time due to a training injury, it was supposed to happen some time prior. With that being said though, I agree completely, he should have had his **** together either way.

[DB-Freak]

He should of lost to BJ penn first of all. The only notable win he has is over trigg and a tired and worn out hughes. I want to see a rematch between hughes and gsp. I think it will be a different outcome. hughes has a purpose this time.
I rate fighters on quality of competition and finish. Is he fighting the best or is he just trying to get a W? How is he beating the competition? Knock outs or split decision? I just don't see how gsp is all that great like some fans think. I admit, I don't really care for gsp and i think he is a punk. Look at how he lost to serra. It wasn't just a lucky punch or kick. I see serra winning in a rematch.

If you see it like that, everyone is overrated.

The quality of competition has been lacking in every weight division expect the welterweight.

[BMF Bronco]

I am friggin excited about the fight tonight!

[SleepingTiger]

If you see it like that, everyone is overrated.

The quality of competition has been lacking in every weight division expect the welterweight.

i think the quality of the win is very important. if your winning by split decisions and fighting mediocre fighters, your just not impressing anyone. in terms of overrated, I call it as i see it compared to what others are saying. Everyone thought gsp was the greatest after he beat hughes. I thought hughes fought a terrible fight and should of lost in the first round. I saw wrestler trying to out punch a much faster and younger fighter. is serra overrated, i don't think so. why? because alot of people think it was a fluke win and gsp would easily win in a rematch. nobody is giving serra any credit.

the light heavyweight is getting very deep. You have alot of young blood in jardine, evans, forrest, shogun and rampage. this will be a very exiting division for the next several years. guys like tito, chuck and wanderlei will also be there like always. Maybe guys like dan henderson will move up in weight and compete.

I like the way dana has been signing all the top talent to the ufc. I was very impressed with the signing of crocop, shogun and nogueria.

[SleepingTiger]

I am friggin excited about the fight tonight!

unfortunately, i will be on a plane. :cuss:

[Broncoman13]

i think the quality of the win is very important. if your winning by split decisions and fighting mediocre fighters, your just not impressing anyone. in terms of overrated, I call it as i see it compared to what others are saying. Everyone thought gsp was the greatest after he beat hughes. I thought hughes fought a terrible fight and should of lost in the first round. I saw wrestler trying to out punch a much faster and younger fighter. is serra overrated, i don't think so. why? because alot of people think it was a fluke win and gsp would easily win in a rematch. nobody is giving serra any credit.

the light heavyweight is getting very deep. You have alot of young blood in jardine, evans, forrest, shogun and rampage. this will be a very exiting division for the next several years. guys like tito, chuck and wanderlei will also be there like always. Maybe guys like dan henderson will move up in weight and compete.

I like the way dana has been signing all the top talent to the ufc. I was very impressed with the signing of crocop, shogun and nogueria.

Man, I didn't realize Nogueria signed to the UFC as well?!? Thats 4 guys that are in Pride's top 10. If Dana somehow finds a way to get Fedor then you can forget about any debating that the UFC is the best MMA "League" in the world.

[MileHighMagic]

Just put a bet on Rampage (+155). :strong:

[scorpio]

Jeez, Leben and Starnes are both totally gassed in the 2nd round. Some of those punches Leben ate were pretty impressive.

[scorpio]

***SPOILERS***


















HOWEEE ****, Jardine just got wrecked by a no-name

[scorpio]

Oh man, that was sweet. Rampage just pulled a Chuck on Chuck!

Great event overall tonight.

[MileHighMagic]

Just put a bet on Rampage (+155). :strong:

$$$$$$$$$$ EASY MONEY BABY!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$ :yayaya:

[Broncoman13]

***SPOILERS***


















HOWEEE ****, Jardine just got wrecked by a no-name

That no name (Houston Alexander) was a freaking beast. Dude was stacked and knew how to use that power. He lifted Jardine off of his feet on that uppercut.

As for the Liddell/Rampage fight. Not a very good fight. I honestly though Rampage looked scared/very nervous coming into the cage. Once the fight started though he was solid. He's a clown to be clear, but he's gonna be a very good fighter... especially if he really decides to dedicate himself to the biz. He admitedly has to have someone push him to train. If he can get 'Juanito' to stick with him and push him he'll stay pretty strong. Henderson vs Rampage will be an awesome event if Rampage trains properly.

[DB-Freak]

This makes the LHW much more interesting.

Far more interesting...

Thank you Rampage for sparking my interest again.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Liddell never had a chance against Jackson. Jackson is a powerhouse who can do everything Liddell can do better than Liddell.

Pride fighters are going to come into the UFC and clean house. Those guys are bigger, stronger, faster, tougher. A street brawler like Liddell doesnt stand a chance against Jackson or Kro Cop or Fedor. Those guys will not be beaten by UFC fighters unless one of the UFC guys gets lucky.

[epicSocialism4tw]

That no name (Houston Alexander) was a freaking beast. Dude was stacked and knew how to use that power. He lifted Jardine off of his feet on that uppercut.

As for the Liddell/Rampage fight. Not a very good fight. I honestly though Rampage looked scared/very nervous coming into the cage. Once the fight started though he was solid. He's a clown to be clear, but he's gonna be a very good fighter... especially if he really decides to dedicate himself to the biz. He admitedly has to have someone push him to train. If he can get 'Juanito' to stick with him and push him he'll stay pretty strong. Henderson vs Rampage will be an awesome event if Rampage trains properly.

"Rampage" has fought in Japan for a long time in a better organization than UFC. He probably wont get beat unless he faces another Pride fighter.

[SleepingTiger]

Liddell never had a chance against Jackson. Jackson is a powerhouse who can do everything Liddell can do better than Liddell.

Pride fighters are going to come into the UFC and clean house. Those guys are bigger, stronger, faster, tougher. A street brawler like Liddell doesnt stand a chance against Jackson or Kro Cop or Fedor. Those guys will not be beaten by UFC fighters unless one of the UFC guys gets lucky.

where were you when i was called a pride nut hugger, hater, biased and ignorant?

[SleepingTiger]

This makes the LHW much more interesting.

Far more interesting...

Thank you Rampage for sparking my interest again.

just to think, rampage was just a above average fighter in pride. imagine if and when rua, wanderlei and henderson come to town. this will be the deepest and most exiting division in mma

[DB-Freak]

just to think, rampage was just a above average fighter in pride. imagine if and when rua, wanderlei and henderson come to town. this will be the deepest and most exiting division in mma

Instead of doing the MMA math, I want to see actual fights.

Style match ups are also huge. Rampage was just a great matchup against chuck.

First time since Amar Suloev, I've seen an opponent taunt chuck for his back paddling, counter punching style.

And this time Chuck actually went and attacked. Pretty big mistake.

[SleepingTiger]

Man, I didn't realize Nogueria signed to the UFC as well?!? Thats 4 guys that are in Pride's top 10. If Dana somehow finds a way to get Fedor then you can forget about any debating that the UFC is the best MMA "League" in the world.

yeah, i think it was announced at ufc 70 that nogueria will fight for the ufc. if fedor ever signs with ufc, the balance of power will definitely shift.

still, pride still has alot of good fighters. former ufc champ Josh Barnett, alexander emelianko, henderson, mark hunt, takanori gomi, dennis kang and two very exiting young fighters in aoki and soukojuo (sp?).

[DB-Freak]

Gomi at his current staet will suffer in the UFC.

unless UFC decides to create a little weight division just for Gomi.

[SleepingTiger]

Instead of doing the MMA math, I want to see actual fights.

Style match ups are also huge. Rampage was just a great matchup against chuck.

First time since Amar Suloev, I've seen an opponent taunt chuck for his back paddling, counter punching style.

And this time Chuck actually went and attacked. Pretty big mistake.

I was looking at chucks past fights. he really hasn't face a striker. from couture, tito, horn, babalou... none of them were known for striking. please don't mention vernon white, that guy is nothing but a scrub. when he was with pride, ufc and even k1... he is famous for getting KO'ed.

[SleepingTiger]

Gomi at his current staet will suffer in the UFC.

unless UFC decides to create a little weight division just for Gomi.

he can fight in the light weight and challenge sherk. the guy has some of the heaviest hands for a lightweight. did you see nick diaz face after the fight? he looked like someone took a bat to his face.

[DB-Freak]

I was looking at chucks past fights. he really hasn't face a striker. from couture, tito, horn, babalou... none of them were known for striking. please don't mention vernon white, that guy is nothing but a scrub. when he was with pride, ufc and even k1... he is famous for getting KO'ed.

I'm more than aware of the fact that he hasn't faught many strikers and definitely not recently.

But he has faced a couple of strikers and others who are well versed in striking.

It's just I still need to see the fights against those other guys. I hardly consider shogun a striker. Wanderlei is a toss up for me.

Henderson may have a good chance out of the group you just mentioned.

We still need to see.

[DB-Freak]

he can fight in the light weight and challenge sherk. the guy has some of the heaviest hands for a lightweight. did you see nick diaz face after the fight? he looked like someone took a bat to his face.
That's only if he can make weight.

[SleepingTiger]

I'm more than aware of the fact that he hasn't faught many strikers and definitely not recently.

But he has faced a couple of strikers and others who are well versed in striking.

It's just I still need to see the fights against those other guys. I hardly consider shogun a striker. Wanderlei is a toss up for me.

Henderson may have a good chance out of the group you just mentioned.

We still need to see.

he did KO alister overeem. that was a great fight, many props to chuck.

i guess its how you define a striker. if your game isn't submission, then your a striker.
shogun to me is like fedor. very well versed in striking and submission. most of his fights end in referee stoppage. all you have to do is look at the rampage and rua fight on youtube. rampage was dominated from beginning to end. never have i seen rampage being dominated like that. it was like the anderson silva fight with franklin.

wanderlei is definitly a striker, i don't think any of his fights ended in a submission move.

[DB-Freak]

he did KO alister overeem. that was a great fight, many props to chuck.

i guess its how you define a striker. if your game isn't submission, then your a striker.
shogun to me is like fedor. very well versed in striking and submission. most of his fights end in referee stoppage. all you have to do is look at the rampage and rua fight on youtube. rampage was dominated from beginning to end. never have i seen rampage being dominated like that. it was like the anderson silva fight with franklin.

wanderlei is definitly a striker, i don't think any of his fights ended in a submission move.

Actually it seems like you misunderstood my post. So many things to say. I do not know where to start so Im just gonna ramble off.

Overeem is a better striker than Shogun. In fact both times, Shogun had to bring overeem down to the ground to win.

The shogun-rampage fight was the only fight where I saw shogun actually beat out decent competition with stand up although it was basically the clinch that brought rampage down. Rampage has been terrible against that muay thai clinch.

Although I could go on, I digress cause it may take me a while

but i will go on if you insist.

Look, I don't doubt at all that there is a very good chance the guys you have mentioned will beat liddell. It wouldn't surprise me one bit. The results would not surprise me at all.

Shogun and Silva do not bring same tools as Rampage. There's too much unknown.

[Broncoman13]

"Rampage" has fought in Japan for a long time in a better organization than UFC. He probably wont get beat unless he faces another Pride fighter.

Oh I know. I've been watching Pride for a long time now. I know all about guys like Fedor, Norguria, Cro-Cop (my Fav), Shogun, Wanderlei, Randleman, Henderson, and Rampage. Truth be known, Rampage is probably a top 10 fighter in pride but just barely. There are many more that are better than Rampage. But, you have to admit that Rampage trained harder for this fight than any other. Pride may have the best fighters, but UFC has the marketing and it's where the money is. Rampage crying about getting a "big crib" was a joke last night. His mouth makes him hard to like at all. I'll be pulling for Dan Henderson when they fight.

Anybody else besides me think that Houston Alexander could come in and be a player in the UFC? Jardine is a tough dude and Alexander made him look like he'd never been in a fight before.

[Swedish Extrovert]

I can't friggin wait for this fight it should be a slugfest.
I'm a little disappointed that rampage is already getting a title shot after winning only one UFC fight.

The card as a whole looks darn good, I'm also looking foward to seeing Karo fight again after he got his ass handed to him last time.

Who's winning the main event I got chuck in the 3rd round by knockout.

I watched the fight with a bunch of friends at a Billards place.

It was the first UFC fight I've seen. It was a good time.... people really get into that...

Oh and I need to check the ABV of those Harp Lagers... those things hit quick. I pissed in a pool table pocket last night.

So we have a bet going over what the **** that was in Rampage Jackson's mouth last night... is it a mouth piece or a grill, and why would he fight with a grill? I think it was a diamond-encrested mouthpiece.... a grillthpiece.

[Spider]

it isnt a fight until someone brings brass knuckles ........another neat trick is if you have elbow pads , rip one of the seams , put in rocky sand , sew it back up ...works on knee pads also ...... dip your fingers in ammonia .........

[epicSocialism4tw]

where were you when i was called a pride nut hugger, hater, biased and ignorant?

I just popped into this thread a couple of times.

I'm no MMA expert, but any fool can see that Pride has the better fighters.

[Broncoman13]

I just popped into this thread a couple of times.

I'm no MMA expert, but any fool can see that Pride has the better fighters.

Pride has the best fighter in the world... they no longer claim they have the best fighters though. Not with UFC signing Pride Champ Dan Henderson and several others such as Mirko, Rampage, Shogun, and Wonderlei. Imagine Couture and Silva shiating in their pants when Dana goes after Fedor. That dude is nasty!

[SouthStndJunkie]

The Liddell/Jackson fight was a letdown.

The Karo (The Heat) Parisyan and Josh Burkman fight was pretty good. Parisyan is impressive. Parisyan executed a sweet judo throw on Burkman in the first round.

Houston Alexander knocked Jardine silly.

[Jason7730]

Pride has the best fighter in the world... they no longer claim they have the best fighters though. Not with UFC signing Pride Champ Dan Henderson and several others such as Mirko, Rampage, Shogun, and Wonderlei. Imagine Couture and Silva shiating in their pants when Dana goes after Fedor. That dude is nasty!

Looking at the big picture, there is no more Pride. So hopefully we will be able to see the best fighters fighting each other. That's all I am interested in. I have had a hard time understanding the whole UFC vs Pride thing, and am glad that this barrier has been broken down. Basically, if the best fighters in the world want to be on the worlds biggest stage, they will have to fight in the UFC.

[Odysseus]

where were you when i was called a pride nut hugger, hater, biased and ignorant?

He was probably just lurking like me other Tiger.

[DB-Freak]

UFC VS PRIDE thing has to be one of the gayest things out there in MMA in many ways.

Now I'm just glad the fantasy match up bull**** won't be the only way to judge who is the best and who would beat who.

And people who keep on saying pride > UFC haven't been following the sports carefully and long enough.

[SleepingTiger]

UFC VS PRIDE thing has to be one of the gayest things out there in MMA in many ways.

Now I'm just glad the fantasy match up bull**** won't be the only way to judge who is the best and who would beat who.

And people who keep on saying pride > UFC haven't been following the sports carefully and long enough.


I think its more of american league vs national league. You will always have people questioning whois better. Just like all the threads that question whois better, montana or elway? tyson or ali? jordan or wilt? its the competitive side of our nature.

I never wanted it to be a ufc or pride, but more of whois the best fighter. I was correct, chuck is over-rated. the media and fans got to his head. he fought someone that can take a punch and dish out some too.

anyways, your right. no more of this fantasy match up crap. time to let the fighters settle it in the cage. I also think that some ufc fighters should fight in pride just becaue the rules are different.

How is it that you think ufc fighters are better than pride? please elaborate.

[DB-Freak]

I think its more of american league vs national league. You will always have people questioning whois better. Just like all the threads that question whois better, montana or elway? tyson or ali? jordan or wilt? its the competitive side of our nature.

I never wanted it to be a ufc or pride, but more of whois the best fighter. I was correct, chuck is over-rated. the media and fans got to his head. he fought someone that can take a punch and dish out some too.

anyways, your right. no more of this fantasy match up crap. time to let the fighters settle it in the cage. I also think that some ufc fighters should fight in pride just becaue the rules are different.

How is it that you think ufc fighters are better than pride? please elaborate.

Never said UFC>PRIDE.

None of that crap.

But I will give you a sample counter argument just from the fights in 2007 to spice up the debate.

Gonzaga over Crocop
Arlovski over Werdum
Diaz over Gomi
Monson over Fujita
O'Brien over Herring
Trigg over Misaki
Florian over Mishima

[SleepingTiger]

Gonzaga over Crocop
Arlovski over Werdum
Diaz over Gomi
Monson over Fujita
O'Brien over Herring
Trigg over Misaki
Florian over Mishima


the only fight that really matter was the crocop and gomi fight. crocop is prone to flukes. this will be the second time. he will get a rematch and its lights out gonzaga.

diaz was a total mess after the fight. gomi is gomi, over confident and cocky. if he would of trained any harder, he wouldn't of gassed out 2 minutes into the fight.

fujita is freakin overrated. he is only and only known for almost knocking out fedor. wanderlei dominated him during the 2006 grand prix.

i always think of trigg as pride. mainly because he is the analyst for the pride events.

pride does own the fight that matters most though. a win against the golden boy of ufc goes along way.

[DB-Freak]

Gonzaga over Crocop
Arlovski over Werdum
Diaz over Gomi
Monson over Fujita
O'Brien over Herring
Trigg over Misaki
Florian over Mishima


the only fight that really matter was the crocop and gomi fight. crocop is prone to flukes. this will be the second time. he will get a rematch and its lights out gonzaga.

diaz was a total mess after the fight. gomi is gomi, over confident and cocky. if he would of trained any harder, he wouldn't of gassed out 2 minutes into the fight.

fujita is freakin overrated. he is only and only known for almost knocking out fedor. wanderlei dominated him during the 2006 grand prix.

i always think of trigg as pride. mainly because he is the analyst for the pride events.

pride does own the fight that matters most though. a win against the golden boy of ufc goes along way.

hey man anyway you wanna justify it. You can say alot of things for the fights and twist it around how you wanna see it. It goes both ways.

I'm not a fan of the Pride VS UFC debate and I'm just not that interested in trying to prove which org had the better fighters.

By the way, I like pride's judging far better than the ufc judging and prefer the pride rule a bit more.

But what are you gonna do.

[B-Love]

http://www.myspace.com/coacheshartford

Here is Liddell fight vs Rampage via the myspace page of a favorite sports bar of mine. I've only been there a few times, but Coaches was a great mini chain of Sports Bars. "Coaches" was owned by U Conn coach Jim Calhoun, but I think he is out of them now.

Anyway, enjoy the fight i anyone has not yet seen it.

Sorry for the Asian commentary, as it is the best one could do!

[B-Love]

FYI, when you click the link you have to scroll down a tiny bit.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Pride has the best fighter in the world... they no longer claim they have the best fighters though. Not with UFC signing Pride Champ Dan Henderson and several others such as Mirko, Rampage, Shogun, and Wonderlei. Imagine Couture and Silva shiating in their pants when Dana goes after Fedor. That dude is nasty!

Sure. All of those guys were Pride fighters. All of the best have come through there.

[Hawaii_Guy]

Chuck is da Man!!

[epicSocialism4tw]

I just finished watching the fight. Jackson won with a brutal body slam. After he administered that to Chuck, Chuck was spent. The body blows after that were academic.

Jackson is just too quick, agile, and powerful for Liddell.

[kamakazi_kal]

what a great card of fights.

man what a letdown, they didnt even get to break a sweat.

they will have a rematch.

henderson in the ufc = good stuff

[DB-Freak]

I just finished watching the fight. Jackson won with a brutal body slam. After he administered that to Chuck, Chuck was spent. The body blows after that were academic.

Jackson is just too quick, agile, and powerful for Liddell.

No, it was just the fact that rampage wearing out liddell won the fight for Rampage.

[BMF Bronco]

I told you, rampage is just too powerful for chuck, the dude has some serious freak strength! What about Henderson, the shoulders and back on that dude were friggin sick! He's going to be an awesome addition to that weight class. Going to be good to see if Forrest has the chin to stand up to that dude, considering he got ko'd by jardine. But you know Dana has a hard on for Forrest, so he will be fighting Henderson soon.

[DB-Freak]

Henderson is fighting in the wrong weight class.

It was because of matchmaking that made Henderson champ and it will be the reason why Henderson will lose that belt.

[BMF Bronco]

Henderson has a belt?

[scorpio]

Henderson has a belt?

he has the Pride Welterweight and Middleweight belts, which are the equivelant of Middleweight and Light Heavyweight in UFC

[BMF Bronco]

Ahh, I didn't hear them say that. Thanks

[DB-Freak]

I want more of these matchups that we could only fantasize about a few years ago.

Still hard to believe, that pride is to be dissolved.

Fans like me who has been watching since the dark ages of the ufc and start of pridefc finally get to see MMA in the limelight and have all of these fantasy matchups come true.

I thought this day would never come.

[BMF Bronco]

Showtime has some special running currently on a rematch between Royce Gracie and some Japanese dude. Apparently Gracie lost the first matchup.

[DB-Freak]

Showtime has some special running currently on a rematch between Royce Gracie and some Japanese dude. Apparently Gracie lost the first matchup.

There is a good chance that the "japanese dude" will not be cleared to fight.

The man has taken too many beatings to fight with NSAC or some other athletic comission running the show in the US.

[SleepingTiger]

There is a good chance that the "japanese dude" will not be cleared to fight.

The man has taken too many beatings to fight with NSAC or some other athletic comission running the show in the US.

are they talking about sakuraba? its a shame, he was by far my fav japanese fighter. charisma, showmanship and a great student of the sport.

[DB-Freak]

are they talking about sakuraba? its a shame, he was by far my fav japanese fighter. charisma, showmanship and a great student of the sport.

Yup.

It's almost time for him to hang em up.