Niners and other fans discuss the Portis for Bailey trade

[Kaylore]

http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=26472

Saw this on Broncomania and brought it over here.

Get a load of the Redskin fan playing apologist. It's really pathetic the angle he takes to try and argue it was a wash.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I think that this was the second-best trade in Bronco history. The #1 is obvious.

I think that Champ will have been the best in NFL history by the time he hangs em up.

I'll give you Portis and a #2 for him. Heck, make that Portis and two #1's.

[Los Broncos]

Skin fan should shut up already, you got screwed.

[watermock]

The funniest thing is that Bly kinda wanted to go to Washington. We sedated him with $ and I don't think he had ever been to Denver or our facilities. It's funny how they are whining how the secondary has sucked since Champ and Smoot left.

Just as we predicted Gibbs has run Portis in the ground and he dug a bigger grave with his rediculous Vick comments. He's not even a teammate.

Why didn't he just come out and say that drug dealing is fine if it's behind closed doors, that it's OK to carry a concealed weapon and have a fake kennel? Goodell was not amused.

Now we parlayed two busts into Bly, and snagged Travis after he was released pending an 8.3 million dollar roster bonus or whatever.

So we parlayed Portis into Champ, Bly and got Henry for virtually nothing except salary. 22.5 isn't too much for a proven back.

So IMO, it boils down to this: Portis, Tater and Foster for Champ, Bly and Henry.

When are they going to arrenst Sundy for rape?

[BroncosBeerMan]

And Tatum Bell plus other scrubs got them Dre' Bly.

Who coincidentally wanted to be a redskin instead. The cycle is complete. LOL.


That's the funniest part!

[Florida_Bronco]

That's the funniest part!

hahahaha, that is pretty good.

[(Jae)]

lol, good lord the Denial by the Redskin fan.
Pure comedy.

[BroncoBuff]

For those with dialup ... my favorite exchange: It started with RedskinsFan saying the trade was "a wash." He got beat down by some very savvy 49er fans:

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3197/58312476np8.jpg

[Northman]

That's the funniest part!

I agree, i stopped reading after that. That was all that needed to be said. :rofl:

[MechanicalBull]

The one thing that bothers me about this trade is the majority of the media and fans outside of Denver think it was just Portis for Bailey. Everyone forgets we got a 2nd round pick(Tatum) who turned out to be an alright rb.

[Odysseus]

As much as we knock on Tatum we got some miles out of that guy and THEN have enough of a player to get Dre Bly.

[BroncoInferno]

The most desperate move was pulling out the "Bailey is a womanizer" rumor (and I'm sure Portis is the epitome of fidelity). Even if true, how in the world is that at all relevant to who got the better end of the deal?

[gunns]

The most desperate move was pulling out the "Bailey is a womanizer" rumor (and I'm sure Portis is the epitome of fidelity). Even if true, how in the world is that at all relevant to who got the better end of the deal?

I laughed at that one. He gets called for going off topic then tries to defend himself by saying he said it was just a rumor. Then why bring it up and what did it have to do with the topic? He was scraping the bottom of the barrel to try and prove his point.

[Broncos4Life]

http://forums.49ers.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=26472

Saw this on Broncomania and brought it over here.

Get a load of the Redskin fan playing apologist. It's really pathetic the angle he takes to try and argue it was a wash.

Wow!
Good find. Pretty entertaining stuff. That skin fan was in some serious denial man. That niner fan from denver put it all into perspective pretty well though.

[Broncos4Life]

The funniest thing is that Bly kinda wanted to go to Washington. We sedated him with $ and I don't think he had ever been to Denver or our facilities. It's funny how they are whining how the secondary has sucked since Champ and Smoot left.

Just as we predicted Gibbs has run Portis in the ground and he dug a bigger grave with his rediculous Vick comments. He's not even a teammate.

Why didn't he just come out and say that drug dealing is fine if it's behind closed doors, that it's OK to carry a concealed weapon and have a fake kennel? Goodell was not amused.

Now we parlayed two busts into Bly, and snagged Travis after he was released pending an 8.3 million dollar roster bonus or whatever.

So we parlayed Portis into Champ, Bly and got Henry for virtually nothing except salary. 22.5 isn't too much for a proven back.

So IMO, it boils down to this: Portis, Tater and Foster for Champ, Bly and Henry.

When are they going to arrenst Sundy for rape?

Good post Mock.

I remember myself and many other Maners were predicting that he wouldn't last long in that system. It's rediculous that it was even thought by Gibbs that Portis could run well in that offense. He plainly doesn't. Sure he breaks a good run about once every 4 games or something. But wasn't he breaking one or two in our offense like every game?

Yeah, it was a rape. With no vasoline.

[Hogan11]

It couldn't happen to a better franchise IMHO...I absolutely hate Washington.

..and to think some here were so disgruntled with the trade that sent Beltman away initally that they went that bullshat route of making the Redskins their "second favorite team"....you know who you are and you got what you deserved. Ha!

[Rohirrim]

Nice Sig, Khan. :thumbsup:

[WoodMan]

As much as we knock on Tatum we got some miles out of that guy and THEN have enough of a player to get Dre Bly.

No kidding, we got some miles out of him. ;D Two years ago he and MA put up 2k on the ground. Last year, Tatum was injured and it showed. I think his fumbles at critical times and Mike Bells improvement, were his ticket out of town. Henry is a better back than Tatum anyway. The Broncos continue to get better talent.

[frerottenextelway]

Records Since '04
Washington: 21-27
Denver: 32-16

Rushing Yards Since '04
Washington: 6164
Denver: 7024

Interceptions In 2006
Washington Redskins: 6
Champ Bailey: 10

[Kaylore]

Nice Sig, Khan. :thumbsup:

Thanks, it took awhile but I really like it and am already getting avatar requests for it. Ha!

And for those asking about why Hixon isn't listed, well frankly there wasn't room to fit his greatness so I left him off. I would need a whole sig just for him to do his greatness justice. 8')

[DeuceOfClub]

Nobody mentioned the fact the Redskins got day-raped in that deal!
Seriously, who gives a top CB in his prime for a RB? And throw a 2nd round pick for good measure???
Unless it is an LT caliber player and he comes with a “no injuries guaranteed” certificate you are a fool.

[Dagmar]

I wish we could have some good ol' football threads like that one...

[Tredici]

The most desperate move was pulling out the "Bailey is a womanizer" rumor (and I'm sure Portis is the epitome of fidelity). Even if true, how in the world is that at all relevant to who got the better end of the deal?

Actually Bailey is a womanizer. Well, if that is what you call keeping an extra one on the side. Hey, Cheerleaders sometimes need a rent free apartment too...

[BigPlayShay]

Actually Bailey is a womanizer. Well, if that is what you call keeping an extra one on the side. Hey, Cheerleaders sometimes need a rent free apartment too...

Pretty certain Bailey is divorced, in fact I know that he is, so he can certainly have whatever he likes now. Or is this extra one what lead to that?

[BroncoInferno]

Actually Bailey is a womanizer. Well, if that is what you call keeping an extra one on the side. Hey, Cheerleaders sometimes need a rent free apartment too...

Maybe so, but my point is that in either case it is not relevant to who got the better end of the trade. Personally, I could not care less, and I thought it was funny that the Skins fan somehow thought this was a valid point in the Skins favor.

[usedupbraids]

We won the trade because we got the best shut down DB up to date.But i still love Portis hes my baby

[epicSocialism4tw]

Here's the clincher....

What would either player bring in a trade now?

Bailey would fetch as much as any other superstar player in their prime. I can only think of a few players that would bring the type of return that he would. Only a couple would bring more: Manning and Brady.

Portis on the other hand would bring maybe a second rounder?

[usedupbraids]

Here's the clincher....

What would either player bring in a trade now?

Bailey would fetch as much as any other superstar player in their prime. I can only think of a few players that would bring the type of return that he would. Only a couple would bring more: Manning and Brady.

Portis on the other hand would bring maybe a second rounder?

:thumbs: Yup Broncos will just say NO! if the skins Offer Portis for Champ now.;D

[Clockwork Orange]

Portis on the other hand would bring maybe a second rounder?

Doubtful. The Colts & Seahawks tried to trade Edgerrin James & Shaun Alexander after they were franchised and neither could get anyone to pony up a 2nd round pick.

[boltaneer]

Had the Broncos given up their 2nd round pick in that trade and not the Redskins, it would still have been a lopsided trade.

I hate Daniel Snyder.

[Kaylore]

Had the Broncos given up their 2nd round pick in that trade and not the Redskins, it would still have been a lopsided trade.

I hate Daniel Snyder.

I think screwing the NFC East is something the AFC West has made an art form. Whether Rivers works out or not, that doozie you guys pulled on the Giants is ranked right up there with this one. Here's to fleecing the NFC East! :alky:

[socalorado]

I think screwing the NFC East is something the AFC West has made an art form. Whether Rivers works out or not, that doozie you guys pulled on the Giants is ranked right up there with this one. Here's to fleecing the NFC East! :alky:

I agree!!

BTW, Kaylore you NEED to put that "ARMED AND READY" logo on the back of a t-shirt!!!!! $20.00
i'll take a large please!!!!

[usedupbraids]

I agree!!

BTW, Kaylore you NEED to put that "ARMED AND READY" logo on the back of a t-shirt!!!!! $20.00
i'll take a large please!!!!

What? :rofl:

[Beantown Bronco]

Doubtful. The Colts & Seahawks tried to trade Edgerrin James & Shaun Alexander after they were franchised and neither could get anyone to pony up a 2nd round pick.

That still mystifies me. Nobody would give squat for Shaun Alexander, but Deion Branch fetches a first rounder. Amazing, really.

[socalorado]

What? :rofl:

Sorry dude, your uh.....logos....uh arent as cool as Kaylores.
It just looks good. Hilarious!

[epicSocialism4tw]

Doubtful. The Colts & Seahawks tried to trade Edgerrin James & Shaun Alexander after they were franchised and neither could get anyone to pony up a 2nd round pick.

True.

I also forgot to take into account that this is Snyder we are talking about, so Portis would bring pennies on the dollar.

[Clockwork Orange]

I also forgot to take into account that this is Snyder we are talking about, so Portis would bring pennies on the dollar.

Exactly. Just look at what Snyder has given up for guys like Brandon Lloyd and TJ Duckett.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Exactly. Just look at what Snyder has given up for guys like Brandon Lloyd and TJ Duckett.

Okay, so I feel safe in saying that Bailey would bring at least two #1's, and probably another veteran starter.

Portis would bring a third or fourth round pick given his contract situation and what he has proven on the field.

Who won the trade? If you call that a wash, you are living in la la land.

[bronco610]

Okay, so I feel safe in saying that Bailey would bring at least two #1's, and probably another veteran starter.

Portis would bring a third or fourth round pick given his contract situation and what he has proven on the field.

Who won the trade? If you call that a wash, you are living in la la land.

La la land and Washington D.C. Its the same place isnt it?ROFL!

[watermock]

God Damn Pubiak...he raped Cleveland!

He traded out, got a first next year, then traded back up and lost 4 spots and a second I think.

He's evil I say...EVIL.. Pubes moved down 4 spots and snagged Clevelands first next year. The Master Jedi has tought him Well.

I would of loved to trade then trade back up into 26 and get another first rounder from a crap team.

Kudos go where Kudos belong. Nice job Pubes.

[Clockwork Orange]

God Damn Pubiak...he raped Cleveland!

He traded out, got a first next year, then traded back up and lost 4 spots and a second I think.

He's evil I say...EVIL.. Pubes moved down 4 spots and snagged Clevelands first next year. The Master Jedi has tought him Well.

I would of loved to trade then trade back up into 26 and get another first rounder from a crap team.

Kudos go where Kudos belong. Nice job Pubes.

That was Dallas that made that trade, not Houston.

[usedupbraids]

God Damn Pubiak...he raped Cleveland!

He traded out, got a first next year, then traded back up and lost 4 spots and a second I think.

He's evil I say...EVIL.. Pubes moved down 4 spots and snagged Clevelands first next year. The Master Jedi has tought him Well.

I would of loved to trade then trade back up into 26 and get another first rounder from a crap team.

Kudos go where Kudos belong. Nice job Pubes.

Shannhon apprentice has the force with him thwack

[Kaylore]

God Damn Pubiak...he raped Cleveland!

He traded out, got a first next year, then traded back up and lost 4 spots and a second I think.

He's evil I say...EVIL.. Pubes moved down 4 spots and snagged Clevelands first next year. The Master Jedi has tought him Well.

I would of loved to trade then trade back up into 26 and get another first rounder from a crap team.

Kudos go where Kudos belong. Nice job Pubes.

No he didn't, Mock. I wish you would quit whining about that. Also, if you're going to whine, at least get your facts straight.

[BroncoMan4ever]

wat a dumbass saying that trade was a wash. denver raped washington in that deal, getting not only the best CB in the league but also a 2nd round pick which got Tatum Bell who was traded (along with dead weight Foster) to get Bly and give DEnver the best set of CB in the league.

[MechanicalBull]

You know until reading that Skins fans message I totally forgot that Washington had the great Al Saunders. How'd that one pay off? Ha!

[KipCorrington25]

The poll is like 94% in favor of Denver and these are neutral fans...

That's all that really needs to be said.

[Requiem]

You can't teach an old down-syndromed Redskin fan new tricks. :(

[Bladerunner]

God Damn Pubiak...he raped Cleveland!

He traded out, got a first next year, then traded back up and lost 4 spots and a second I think.

He's evil I say...EVIL.. Pubes moved down 4 spots and snagged Clevelands first next year. The Master Jedi has tought him Well.

I would of loved to trade then trade back up into 26 and get another first rounder from a crap team.

Kudos go where Kudos belong. Nice job Pubes.

what in the HELL are you talking about? You can't be this confused for reals can you?

[sixtimeseight]

You obviously haven't read enough of his posts. That post is well thought out and coherently written compared to his usual drunken tripe.

[Spider]

That still mystifies me. Nobody would give squat for Shaun Alexander, but Deion Branch fetches a first rounder. Amazing, really.

I think it is the rep , the same one ricky Waters picked up when he refused to dive for a ball in a game , Alexander is looked as an outside runner for the most part , not real tough .........

[dark_hawk]

I think it is the rep , the same one ricky Waters picked up when he refused to dive for a ball in a game , Alexander is looked as an outside runner for the most part , not real tough .........

may also have to do with the average rb life span being relatively short compared to a wr. that and rb is one of the easier positions to make the switch from college to the nfl

[Spider]

may also have to do with the average rb life span being relatively short compared to a wr. that and rb is one of the easier positions to make the switch from college to the nfl

add that with what I said ....... kinda tough to get rid of that baggage ...... I remember the heat Ricky Waters took over his comment when he was an Eagle ,It stuck with him