Large Navel presence off coast of Iran

[Hotrod]

Im not saying were attacking anyone or anything but damn why keep pushing the issue. Im not sure with all the hot issues in the ME that we should be flipping the bird and exciting others right now.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18812865/


ABOARD USS JOHN C. STENNIS - Nine U.S. military ships entered the Gulf on Wednesday for a rare daylight assembly off Iran’s coast in what naval officials said was the largest such move since the 2003 Iraq war.
U.S. Navy officials said Iran had not been notified of plans to sail the vessels, which include two aircraft carriers, through the Straits of Hormuz, a narrow channel in international waters off Iran’s coast and a major artery for global oil shipments.
Most U.S. ships pass through the straits at night so as not to attract attention, and rarely move in such large numbers.

Navy officials said the decision to send a second aircraft carrier was made at the last minute, without giving a reason.Fears of military confrontation
Tension between the United States and Iran over Tehran’s nuclear ambitions and Iraq has raised regional fears of a possible military confrontation that could hit Gulf economies and threaten vital oil exports.

But Rear Admiral Kevin Quinn, leading the group, said the ships would start conducting exercises after passing through the straits as part of a long-planned effort to reassure nearby countries of U.S. commitment to regional security.

“There’s always the threat of any state or non-state actor that might decide to close one of the international straits, and the biggest one is the Straits of Hormuz,” he told reporters on the USS John C. Stennis aircraft carrier before the crossing.

On the way to the straits, a public announcement called on crew to witness “some of the most powerful ships in the world,” whose tight formation against a backdrop of the setting sun created a dramatic image of American naval might.

[Hotrod]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/05/bush_authorizes.html

The CIA has received secret presidential approval to mount a covert "black" operation to destabilize the Iranian government, current and former officials in the intelligence community tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

The sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the subject, say President Bush has signed a "nonlethal presidential finding" that puts into motion a CIA plan that reportedly includes a coordinated campaign of propaganda, disinformation and manipulation of Iran's currency and international financial transactions.
"I can't confirm or deny whether such a program exists or whether the president signed it, but it would be consistent with an overall American approach trying to find ways to put pressure on the regime," said Bruce Riedel, a recently retired CIA senior official who dealt with Iran and other countries in the region.

A National Security Council spokesperson, Gordon Johndroe, said, "The White House does not comment on intelligence matters." A CIA spokesperson said, "As a matter of course, we do not comment on allegations of covert activity."

The sources say the CIA developed the covert plan over the last year and received approval from White House officials and other officials in the intelligence community.

Officials say the covert plan is designed to pressure Iran to stop its nuclear enrichment program and end aid to insurgents in Iraq.

"There are some channels where the United States government may want to do things without its hand showing, and legally, therefore, the administration would, if it's doing that, need an intelligence finding and would need to tell the Congress," said ABC News consultant Richard Clarke, a former White House counterterrorism official.

Current and former intelligence officials say the approval of the covert action means the Bush administration, for the time being, has decided not to pursue a military option against Iran.

[bendog]

Cheney is just praying they put a missle in the Stennis.

[Rohirrim]

I guess Bushie is trying to play Teddy Roosevelt with the White Fleet. Actually, that's probably not true. It's unlikely that Bush even knows who TR is.

[Spider]

Here we go again .......... Man if this goes down , who will want to be the one to clean up this mess ?

[TailgateNut]

I guess Bushie is trying to play Teddy Roosevelt with the White Fleet. Actually, that's probably not true. It's unlikely that Bush even knows who TR is.

The fleet? Bush doesn't even know what a soldier is! He thinks being in the military is a barrel of laughs!
F-ing idiot!

[Hotrod]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8PA4ST00&show_article=1

VIENNA, Austria (AP) - Iran continues to defy U.N. Security Council demands to scrap its uranium enrichment program and has instead expanded its activities, the International Atomic Energy Agency said Wednesday in a finding that sets the stage for new council sanctions.
The report from Mohamed ElBaradei, the head of the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog agency, also faulted Tehran for blocking IAEA efforts to probe suspicious nuclear activities, saying that meant it could not "provide assurances about ... the exclusively peaceful nature" of its atomic program.

And, in new and worrying phrasing, it expressed concern about its "deteriorating" understanding of unexplored aspects of the program, despite four years of a probe sparked by revelations that Tehran had been clandestinely developing enrichment and other nuclear activities that could be used to make weapons for nearly two decades.
The report, one of a series keeping the IAEA's 35-nation board and the Security Council up to date on the agency's monitoring efforts, was posted simultaneously on the IAEA internal Web site and handed over to the president of the Security Council for distribution among its members.

While the reports finding that Iran was expanding enrichment instead of curtailing it was not surprising, it was important as a trigger for possible new U.N. sanctions, the third since the first were imposed Dec. 23.

With the council's latest deadline for Iranian compliance ending Thursday, the report could set the stage for within days for consultations on new council penalties.

A senior U.N. diplomat, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to publicly comment on the report, suggested that the shrinking hole left for inspections by Iran's rollback of previous monitoring agreements was potentially as worrying as its defiance on enrichment.

The brevity of the four-page report indirectly reflected the lack of progress agency inspectors had made clearing up unresolved issues, among them; Iran's possession of diagrams showing how to form uranium into warhead form; unexplained uranium contamination at a research facility; information on high explosives experiments that could be linked to a nuclear program and the design of a missile re-entry vehicle.

[TailgateNut]

You gotta remember there's only room for one out of control loose cannon on the planet at one time. Bush is currently it, and he has to insure no one tops his shoot from the hip style while he's in office.

****ing maniacs, both of them!

[Bob]

I wonder if America or Israel will let Iran get a nuke -- they have several thousand centrafuges sp going at this time, and need to refine the materal quite a bit more before it is pure enough grade to use in a nuke, but at the point that Iran boots out the international inspectors (if they kick them out), that is the time when I fear someone will feel compelled to act...

[defenseman]

I wonder if America or Israel will let Iran get a nuke -- they have several thousand centrafuges sp going at this time, and need to refine the materal quite a bit more before it is pure enough grade to use in a nuke, but at the point that Iran boots out the international inspectors (if they kick them out), that is the time when I fear someone will feel compelled to act...

Iran will not be allowed to obtain a nuclear weapon......dman

[TailgateNut]

Iran will not be allowed to obtain a nuclear weapon......dman


Guaranteed, even if it puts the US into a recession. How does $10 a gallon sound?

[SPfloppy]

Well S*** here we go again. I was surprised by the story on foxnews this morning when I thought they were'nt attepting to provoke the Iranians. Damn it dude this sucks again!

[bendog]

I remember a time when the US had a reputation for representative govt and the rule of law, when dissing us in the UN when we called for sanctions had a political price for those not really our allies - russian and china.

[mhgaffney]

Iran will not be allowed to obtain a nuclear weapon......dman

The usual nonsense from hypocritical D man.

The safest way to prevent the spread of nukes is to get serious about abolishing them altogether. I mean ALL NUKES -- not just those owned by folks who are not in political favor at the moment.

This means Israel's massive nuclear arsenal -- and our own.

Unfortunately, at present we are moving in the opposite direction. No doubt, this is why the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists recently moved up the dooooomsday clock. It's now set at 5 minutes til midnight -- and ticking.

The US has achieved or is close to achieving a nuclear first strike capability against Russia and China. That should keep you awake at night -- with worry -- given the criminal mafia now in the White House.

No doubt Cheney is praying for an incident in the Gulf -- so he can attack Iran.

I'm praying the clot in Cheney's leg migrates to his brain -- and saves the world.

[bendog]

At this point, given the tragedy of Iraq and world opinion of the US, attacking Iran even with 100% certainty it would destroy their program for ten years (which it won't) would actually be worse than them getting a nuke

The little hitler's losing support rapidly. He's not popular so much as he's the only politician who can credibly talk about the inequalities in Iran.

[Spider]

Well S*** here we go again. I was surprised by the story on foxnews this morning when I thought they were'nt attepting to provoke the Iranians. Damn it dude this sucks again!

come on everyone knows Iran hates us for our freedom ....... mushroom cloud , go boom glow in the dark , president Almond joy of Iran is another Hitler , WMD everywhere , brutal dictator , people of Iran will greet us as Liberators .......

[TailgateNut]

come on everyone knows Iran hates us for our freedom ....... mushroom cloud , go boom glow in the dark , president Almond joy of Iran is another Hitler , WMD everywhere , brutal dictator , people of Iran will greet us as Liberators .......


You forgot "the flowers and embracing democracy"!

[bendog]

freedomS. It's "they hate us for our freedoms."

As in, "they're dangerous nooklerists." "it's a hard job tellin' men to leave their families." "world's a dangerous place with triggerhappy regiemes." "progress in Iraq is difficult to see, but I see it everday"

I made these up, btw

[Rohirrim]

freedomS. It's "they hate us for our freedoms."

As in, "they're dangerous nooklerists." "it's a hard job tellin' men to leave their families." "world's a dangerous place with triggerhappy regiemes." "progress in Iraq is difficult to see, but I see it everday"

I made these up, btw

You've got the BIC down cold. ;D

[defenseman]

The usual nonsense from hypocritical D man.

The safest way to prevent the spread of nukes is to get serious about abolishing them altogether. I mean ALL NUKES -- not just those owned by folks who are not in political favor at the moment.

This means Israel's massive nuclear arsenal -- and our own.

Unfortunately, at present we are moving in the opposite direction. No doubt, this is why the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists recently moved up the dooooomsday clock. It's now set at 5 minutes til midnight -- and ticking.

The US has achieved or is close to achieving a nuclear first strike capability against Russia and China. That should keep you awake at night -- with worry -- given the criminal mafia now in the White House.

No doubt Cheney is praying for an incident in the Gulf -- so he can attack Iran.

I'm praying the clot in Cheney's leg migrates to his brain -- and saves the world.

Typical nonsense from america's favorite "hate america" guy....dman

[Spider]

it is all a load of Shít , Bush and his clan are bullshítting us again to get another war ........... we need Bill Clinton ...........

[TailgateNut]

You've got the BIC down cold. ;D

No doubt. I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't think it's funny that a psychotic bumpkin is in charge.

[defenseman]

it is all a load of Shít , Bush and his clan are bullshítting us again to get another war ........... we need Bill Clinton ...........

I'm thinking you are overreacting to what is in progress. However, keep in mind, iraq/afghan are the priorities right now. the only way I can see we start the ball rolling is absolute proof the iranians are headlong into nuke production, which they may very well be, but for now I'm thinking they don't have enough. That said, we still have to extricate ourselves out of iraq yet. I would understand some behind the scenes posturing and manipulation against them though. Got to set the table up somehow if you need to go in...dman

[bendog]

He's a nut D-Man, but there's really no reasonable doubt that the WH is trolling for a missle with the Stennis. The %chance that we'll launch preemptively changes by the week.


http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0206/p09s01-coop.html

It's not even about nukes. Bush and his neocon agenda have wanted to attack Iran since 1998. It's not even something they keep secret anymore.

[defenseman]

He's a nut D-Man, but there's really no reasonable doubt that the WH is trolling for a missle with the Stennis. The %chance that we'll launch preemptively changes by the week.


http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0206/p09s01-coop.html

It's not even about nukes. Bush and his neocon agenda have wanted to attack Iran since 1998. It's not even something they keep secret anymore.

The nukes are an issue undoubtedly. However, I don't think we can manage a war on 4 fronts to be honest. Just don't see it in the cards right now. In any case, we'll see. It is what it is...dman

[Spider]

I'm thinking you are overreacting to what is in progress. However, keep in mind, iraq/afghan are the priorities right now. the only way I can see we start the ball rolling is absolute proof the iranians are headlong into nuke production, which they may very well be, but for now I'm thinking they don't have enough. That said, we still have to extricate ourselves out of iraq yet. I would understand some behind the scenes posturing and manipulation against them though. Got to set the table up somehow if you need to go in...dman

Back when I was a thug , provoking , antagonizing , intimidation , were commonly used tactics , and I know them when I see them ............We all know Iran considers alot of that to be their water , and will defend it , so what do we do ? we go over and jab Iran with a sharp stick

[TailgateNut]

Back when I was a thug , provoking , antagonizing , intimidation , were commonly used tactics , and I know them when I see them ............We all know Iran considers alot of that to be their water , and will defend it , so what do we do ? we go over and jab Iran with a sharp stick


DING<DING<DING!

My thoughts to the T.

It's like two bullies with guns and an audience. Eventually somebody has to do something to save face.

Two hiltlerresque individuals daring each other to throw the first punch.

[Denver Crush]

Iran is in the same boat we're in politically. Most of the people want a real democratic nation, rather than a fanatic taking them for a ride in hell.

[Hotrod]

come on everyone knows Iran hates us for our freedom ....... mushroom cloud , go boom glow in the dark , president Almond joy of Iran is another Hitler , WMD everywhere , brutal dictator , people of Iran will greet us as Liberators .......

Im gonna buy stock in someone who makes soccerballs.

[Spider]

DING<DING<DING!

My thoughts to the T.

It's like two bullies with guns and an audience. Eventually somebody has to do something to save face.

Two hiltlerresque individuals daring each other to throw the first punch.

yep..........

[Spider]

Im gonna buy stock in someone who makes soccerballs.

;D

[Bob]

Guaranteed, even if it puts the US into a recession. How does $10 a gallon sound?

Slightly more concerned about a mushoom cloud rising in the distance...

[Bob]

Iran is in the same boat we're in politically. Most of the people want a real democratic nation, rather than a fanatic taking them for a ride in hell.

Keep on smoking it... :peace:

There is over 30% unemployment in Iran...
If you are a woman that goes outside without a head scarf -- what is the punishment?
Shiria law anyone?

Please be intellectually honest, even it it doesnt make for a good post.

[REB]

The usual nonsense from hypocritical D man.

The safest way to prevent the spread of nukes is to get serious about abolishing them altogether. I mean ALL NUKES -- not just those owned by folks who are not in political favor at the moment.

This means Israel's massive nuclear arsenal -- and our own.

Unfortunately, at present we are moving in the opposite direction. No doubt, this is why the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists recently moved up the dooooomsday clock. It's now set at 5 minutes til midnight -- and ticking.

The US has achieved or is close to achieving a nuclear first strike capability against Russia and China. That should keep you awake at night -- with worry -- given the criminal mafia now in the White House.

No doubt Cheney is praying for an incident in the Gulf -- so he can attack Iran.

I'm praying the clot in Cheney's leg migrates to his brain -- and saves the world.

If you think there's even the slightest possibilty that nukes will be abolished from the face of the earth then say hello to Peter Pan and Tinkerbell for me. :wave:

[ant1999e]

Im gonna buy stock in someone who makes soccerballs.

Wow. That **** was like two years ago. :deadhorse :rofl:

[Denver Crush]

Keep on smoking it... :peace:

There is over 30% unemployment in Iran...
If you are a woman that goes outside without a head scarf -- what is the punishment?
Shiria law anyone?

Please be intellectually honest, even it it doesnt make for a good post.

So how does this justify us going to war with them? Our government isnt all cinnamon and spice and everything nice. They dont love us and they dont want to protect us. They want to love and protect themselves and their own financial interests. If you believe otherwise go ahead and get in line for your lobotomy.

[Bronco Bob]

The US has achieved or is close to achieving a nuclear first strike capability against Russia and China. That should keep you awake at night -- with worry -- given the criminal mafia now in the White House.



And I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but Putin recently reversed the
long standing Soviet policy of no first use of nuclear weapons on their part
and now reserves the right of first use of nuclear weapons by Russia if
Russia feels threatened. And putting ABMs in Poland under the guise
of defending the US from Iranian missiles is starting to make Russia
feel threatened.

[Bob]

;D

I have bought stock in SYNX

Look it up if you have the time...

[Bob]

So how does this justify us going to war with them? Our government isnt all cinnamon and spice and everything nice. They dont love us and they dont want to protect us. They want to love and protect themselves and their own financial interests. If you believe otherwise go ahead and get in line for your lobotomy.

I think that going to war with them would be absolutely horrible -- most wars are. We did not have the resolve that it took to fight Iraq, now going to war with another county when we are not willing to finish the job in Iraq would be particularly dangerous. But understand that there are principles worth fighting and dieing for – just not sure in this case how much is posturing, and maneuvering for political gain. So, in one small sense you are correct, there is discontent in both Iran, and the USA, the MAJOR difference, is that Iran is very close by many estimates to economic and political implosion. Any county this close to toppling, may make very dangerous choices. I this case, I am not sure where to draw the line – how aggressive should we be to keep nukes out of their hands? I think we would be much more aggressive, if we understood the nature of the threat. Their president wants to bring about the Muslim version of the apocalypse (he has stated this himself.) Such actions, many believe in that part of the world would hasten the coming of their version of the messiah. When you are up against those types of ideas, how do you best combat that? How does one make a safer life for our kids long term? Diplomacy does have a place, but a strong stand, like Churchill took, at times is needed to preserve our way of life. I ask these questions sincerely and without spite.

I Heard a poll today put out by some non-biased group (I will try to find the source) that revealed that the percentage of Muslims IN AMERICA was 26% that felt that bombing civilian targets was an appropriate use of force. I was surprised that the number was 26% among the 20 – 40 year-old crowd. So how does one fight that mentality? I don’t hate Muslims, as I feel that the small percentage (10%) of those that call themselves Muslims, that glory in violence are actually something else entirely. So lets assume, that I am way off, that this poll was some how inaccurate, would you feel more comfortable with 10,000 folk that belied in their hearts that intentionally going after civilian targets was justified? It doesn’t take 100,000,000 folks that believe that America is the Great Satan, to fight a war against us – in the case of 9/11 it took just 9 folks (and probably some 20 others behind the scenes) to create that level of pain (of course, that is, if you exclude the retarded-genius Bush, who somehow masterminded, the actual event.) I know that we all want to assume the best, regarding those that hate us, but being PC about this will not cause the real threat to disappear. Diplomacy can do something, pacification may have some small effect, but to those millions that have declared holy war against us I suspect that a change in foreign policy will do little to change their minds. We are in a global war, we just haven’t admitted it to ourselves yet.

I know that America aint perfect, but I love her, and my children will have to create a life for themselves here -- not Canada -- here. It is not all sugar and spice, but you can raise your voice in opposition to the war, choose your faith, your political party etc. Try some of those things in Russia, and you may be eating high-grade Plutonium at a salad bar -- try being a feminist in Iran and you might be beaten severely, or imprisoned -- the grass is not always greener on the other side – not only should people be realistic, and honest, they should be grateful.

[epicSocialism4tw]

This is an old technique. I talked today with a vet who served on the USS Kennedy off the coast of Cuba during the missle crisis. He said that they rolled just off of the isle and played live ammo war games with other US carriers out there...all to get in Castro's head. This was simultaneous with black ops to destabilize the Cuban government.

It means we're serious. That's for certain.

[Spider]

I know that America aint perfect, but I love her, and my children will have to create a life for themselves here -- not Canada -- here. It is not all sugar and spice, but you can raise your voice in opposition to the war, choose your faith, your political party etc. Try some of those things in Russia, and you may be eating high-grade Plutonium at a salad bar -- try being a feminist in Iran and you might be beaten severely, or imprisoned -- the grass is not always greener on the other side – not only should people be realistic, and honest, they should be grateful.

I agree but isnt the goal to make America better and stronger for our kids ? and if so how can we do that with Status quo ?
I dont thin anyone believes these other countries are better , but there are things we can take from each to make us better .Doesnt have a damn thing to do with us thinking another country is better

[broncocalijohn]

Guaranteed, even if it puts the US into a recession. How does $10 a gallon sound?

To play devil's advocate, How does death sound?
McGoofey, having us and Israel get rid of our nukes isnt going to make Iran not produce nukes themselves. So are you saying that Iran isnt trying to produce nuclear power for energy? Your iranian hero wants Israel gone! Israel's hope is to keep their nukes for such an attack from Iran. Wake up anti american hero.

[Rohirrim]

I think that going to war with them would be absolutely horrible -- most wars are. We did not have the resolve that it took to fight Iraq, now going to war with another county when we are not willing to finish the job in Iraq would be particularly dangerous. But understand that there are principles worth fighting and dieing for – just not sure in this case how much is posturing, and maneuvering for political gain. So, in one small sense you are correct, there is discontent in both Iran, and the USA, the MAJOR difference, is that Iran is very close by many estimates to economic and political implosion. Any county this close to toppling, may make very dangerous choices. I this case, I am not sure where to draw the line – how aggressive should we be to keep nukes out of their hands? I think we would be much more aggressive, if we understood the nature of the threat. Their president wants to bring about the Muslim version of the apocalypse (he has stated this himself.) Such actions, many believe in that part of the world would hasten the coming of their version of the messiah. When you are up against those types of ideas, how do you best combat that? How does one make a safer life for our kids long term? Diplomacy does have a place, but a strong stand, like Churchill took, at times is needed to preserve our way of life. I ask these questions sincerely and without spite.

I Heard a poll today put out by some non-biased group (I will try to find the source) that revealed that the percentage of Muslims IN AMERICA was 26% that felt that bombing civilian targets was an appropriate use of force. I was surprised that the number was 26% among the 20 – 40 year-old crowd. So how does one fight that mentality? I don’t hate Muslims, as I feel that the small percentage (10%) of those that call themselves Muslims, that glory in violence are actually something else entirely. So lets assume, that I am way off, that this poll was some how inaccurate, would you feel more comfortable with 10,000 folk that belied in their hearts that intentionally going after civilian targets was justified? It doesn’t take 100,000,000 folks that believe that America is the Great Satan, to fight a war against us – in the case of 9/11 it took just 9 folks (and probably some 20 others behind the scenes) to create that level of pain (of course, that is, if you exclude the retarded-genius Bush, who somehow masterminded, the actual event.) I know that we all want to assume the best, regarding those that hate us, but being PC about this will not cause the real threat to disappear. Diplomacy can do something, pacification may have some small effect, but to those millions that have declared holy war against us I suspect that a change in foreign policy will do little to change their minds. We are in a global war, we just haven’t admitted it to ourselves yet.

I know that America aint perfect, but I love her, and my children will have to create a life for themselves here -- not Canada -- here. It is not all sugar and spice, but you can raise your voice in opposition to the war, choose your faith, your political party etc. Try some of those things in Russia, and you may be eating high-grade Plutonium at a salad bar -- try being a feminist in Iran and you might be beaten severely, or imprisoned -- the grass is not always greener on the other side – not only should people be realistic, and honest, they should be grateful.

I'm surprised you keep positioning yourself as some kind of "true blue" American and yet you insult those soldiers who have died or been hideously wounded in Iraq for their lack of "resolve." You're the worst of the worst. The kind of guy who keeps waving the flag as long as it's not him being called to die. The guy who wraps himself in the flag while the nincompoop leader he continues to defend (above even his own country) kills his fellow Americans through sheer incompetence, stubbornness and false bravado. You question the resolve of your fellow Americans while you stand up for this draft dodging chicken hawk who sends men to do what he refused to do? I've got news for you. You will never destroy muslim fundamentalism with an army. Never. Occupying armies create terrorism. How many Americans will die before George Bush figures that out? Like Eisenhower always used to point out, they are quick to send armies who have never seen a battlefield. Bush is the perfect ignoramus: The man who believes that because he has a hammer, ever problem is a nail. I'm still amazed there are so many in this country who still agree with him. Of course, if you watch Jay Leno you know, Americans are about the most politically ignorant people on the planet.

[TailgateNut]

To play devil's advocate, How does death sound?
McGoofey, having us and Israel get rid of our nukes isnt going to make Iran not produce nukes themselves. So are you saying that Iran isnt trying to produce nuclear power for energy? Your iranian hero wants Israel gone! Israel's hope is to keep their nukes for such an attack from Iran. Wake up anti american hero.

**** you and your anti american comment. How does death sound??? WTF are you yapping about. I doubt Iran is planning to attack us in the near future, and I am quite sick of us being Israels guard dog. They are quite capable of taking care of themselves. In addition if/ or should I say when the **** hits the fan with Iran, the draft will need to be re-instated to fill the giant holes in our military. Get your sons and daughters prepared.

[Hotrod]

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=10834&sectionid=351020101

Iranian Ambassador to Mexico has warned that any possible military action against the Islamic Republic could spark World War III.

In an interview with Mexican TV news network Televisa on Wednesday, Mohammad-Hassan Qadiri-Abyaneh cautioned that the result of a possible US attack against Iran would certainly be far from victory.

"On the contrary, this should be considered as the start of World War III," he added.
He noted that US intellectuals have also cautioned the country's leaders against such measure.

Qadiri-Abyaneh stated that Iran is making all-out efforts to avoid war. "However, we will confront the aggressor and defend our rights," he reiterated.

The envoy went on to say, "A major question is whether it is Iran which is threatening to wage war along US borders or it is the US fomenting tension along Iranian borders."

He called on the Mexican government and people to spare no efforts to make the American government put its warmongering policies on hold and to dissuade it from trying to acquire other people's oil resources.

"Mexico's oil belongs to Mexican people in the same way that Iran's oil belongs to Iranians. The US doesn't have the right to impose its policies on other nations."

Elsewhere in his remarks, Qadiri-Abyaneh elaborated on Iran's stance on developing relations with the Latin American countries, especially Mexico, as one of the most important states in the region.

[TailgateNut]

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=10834&sectionid=351020101

.

"On the contrary, this should be considered as the start of World War III," he added. [/B]
He noted that US intellectuals have also cautioned the country's leaders against such measure.

[/B].


As I said earlier, get your children ready to become Soldiers. I wont feel a sense of comfort until the Bush/Cheney moving van arrives at the WH!

[bendog]

Bush and Cheney have insured my daughter wants no part in the military.

[clarkster]

weve been parking ships off the coast there forever. its a game. they claim like 14 miles or something off the coast vice the standard 12. the US always rolls in there and thumbs their nose. not saying it isnt serious or right or whatever, but dont act like this is a recent thing. youd be suprised how many ships are doing just that at any given moment at any given country.

id be more concerned with why they keep kicking inspectors out of the country at this point than i would be about a carrier group off the coast.

but, as pointed out over and over again, im an ignorant neocon chickenhawk, war monger,- ah **** it, you insert your own insult here and ill note it.
i like the knee jerk reaction though. "large navAL(spelled right this time) presence off coast of Iran" fast forward to "holt ****, the drafts starting this week, were all going to die, 10$ a gallon!! AHHHH PANDEMONIUM!!THE WORLDS ENDING, WERE ALL GOING TO DIE! THE COUNTRIES ****ED!!!!"

you people need to take a prozac.

[bendog]

weve been parking ships off the coast there forever. its a game. they claim like 14 miles or something off the coast vice the standard 12. the US always rolls in there and thumbs their nose. not saying it isnt serious or right or whatever, but dont act like this is a recent thing. youd be suprised how many ships are doing just that at any given moment at any given country.

id be more concerned with why they keep kicking inspectors out of the country at this point than i would be about a carrier group off the coast.

but, as pointed out over and over again, im an ignorant neocon chickenhawk, war monger,- ah **** it, you insert your own insult here and ill note it.
i like the knee jerk reaction though. "large navAL(spelled right this time) presence off coast of Iran" fast forward to "holt ****, the drafts starting this week, were all going to die, 10$ a gallon!! AHHHH PANDEMONIUM!!THE WORLDS ENDING, WERE ALL GOING TO DIE! THE COUNTRIES ****ED!!!!"

you people need to take a prozac.

No you're not. Everyone should be concerned about their dissing the inspectors, but the fact is that so long as the little hitler is there, and so long as we have so demolished our own credibility that Putin can piss down our throats, we cannot do much about it. And the best way to get rid of the little hitler, is to show the majority of Iraqis who want economic progress and more personal freedom that we are not a threat to them, but will actually help them if they decide not to aim a nuke at Israel, or us.

[clarkster]

No you're not. Everyone should be concerned about their dissing the inspectors, but the fact is that so long as the little hitler is there, and so long as we have so demolished our own credibility that Putin can piss down our throats, we cannot do much about it. And the best way to get rid of the little hitler, is to show the majority of Iraqis who want economic progress and more personal freedom that we are not a threat to them, but will actually help them if they decide not to aim a nuke at Israel, or us.

there is alot of credibilty lost here. and a no win situation to get anyback. bleed for it, or wait for it to come back in like 100 years.
that guy may be more dangerous than GW. talk about potential mess. and it would certainly be WW3, and terrible IF it did, happen, however, im not alarmed about war with Iran yet. not like we havent been here before anyways.

[Hotrod]

[QUOTE=clarkster;1596761]weve been parking ships off the coast there forever. its a game. they claim like 14 miles or something off the coast vice the standard 12. the US always rolls in there and thumbs their nose. not saying it isnt serious or right or whatever, but dont act like this is a recent thing. youd be suprised how many ships are doing just that at any given moment at any given country.

id be more concerned with why they keep kicking inspectors out of the country at this point than i would be about a carrier group off the coast.

QUOTE]

It is highly unusual to pull a group consisting of 2 carriers thru during daylight hours. While yes we do move ships thru and show force this was a large scale operation. Not to mention an amphibious group with 17,000 marines.

Now Im also not saying that it means anything more then a flip of the bird BUT nows not the time. It would take one single nut job wanna die for his virgins in charge of a missle system on the coast of Iran to start WWIII. Prolly not gonna happen but why put that option on the table. The last thing we need is something to go wrong and drag us into another war front.

[Hotrod]

but, as pointed out over and over again, im an ignorant neocon chickenhawk, war monger,- ah **** it, you insert your own insult here and ill note it.
i like the knee jerk reaction though. "large navAL(spelled right this time) presence off coast of Iran" fast forward to "holt ****, the drafts starting this week, were all going to die, 10$ a gallon!! AHHHH PANDEMONIUM!!THE WORLDS ENDING, WERE ALL GOING TO DIE! THE COUNTRIES ****ED!!!!"

you people need to take a prozac.

speaking of prozac wow.

[Rohirrim]

Make fun all you want, Clarkster. If a shooting war started between Iran and the U.S., it would be the end of the world as we know it. There is no way that China and Russia would stand by without getting involved on some level. Russian muslims would probably grab the opportunity to revolt against the Putin government. Pakistan would unravel and Musharraf would fall. Afghanistan would be history, as would Karzai. The ME would come apart at the seams. No doubt some terrorist organization or state would use the chaos as an opportunity to go after Israel. I find it highly doubtful that our allies would stand with Bush, if he started such a war. The new PM of England would tell Bush to go **** himself, as would France, Germany, Spain, and Italy. The Aussies have a right winger nutjob in office. Maybe he'd join up. Who knows what the Saudis and Egypt would do? World markets would come unglued. Oil production would tank. We'd probably be looking at $6 bucks a gallon, maybe more. I'm kind of surprised you would try to make a joke out of it.

[clarkster]

Make fun all you want, Clarkster. If a shooting war started between Iran and the U.S., it would be the end of the world as we know it. There is no way that China and Russia would stand by without getting involved on some level. Russian muslims would probably grab the opportunity to revolt against the Putin government. Pakistan would unravel and Musharraf would fall. Afghanistan would be history, as would Karzai. The ME would come apart at the seams. No doubt some terrorist organization or state would use the chaos as an opportunity to go after Israel. I find it highly doubtful that our allies would stand with Bush, if he started such a war. The new PM of England would tell Bush to go **** himself, as would France, Germany, Spain, and Italy. The Aussies have a right winger nutjob in office. Maybe he'd join up. Who knows what the Saudis and Egypt would do? World markets would come unglued. Oil production would tank. We'd probably be looking at $6 bucks a gallon, maybe more. I'm kind of surprised you would try to make a joke out of it.

youll get no argument from me. it would be terrible, and nobody would back us. id also agree that it may not be the best time, but at the same time, might be the best time(most of our forces are right down the street, thus thered be less travel, and that saves you money- im kidding) but seriously, the very thought of the US being weak COULD inspire some "extracurricular activities" from the other countries that are not our friends. i dont know gang, im just saying.

[defenseman]

youll get no argument from me. it would be terrible, and nobody would back us. id also agree that it may not be the best time, but at the same time, might be the best time(most of our forces are right down the street, thus thered be less travel, and that saves you money- im kidding) but seriously, the very thought of the US being weak COULD inspire some "extracurricular activities" from the other countries that are not our friends. i dont know gang, im just saying.

Fair assessment. I'm thinking if the shooting starts, they'll start it, not us. On that note, I've been seeing where damascus inporting all kinds of hate and discontent into iraq for a while, they need to snap shut that damn border. Of course, we can't secure our own properly, how can one expect them to do it half way round the world. Really pisses me off...dman

[Rohirrim]

Fair assessment. I'm thinking if the shooting starts, they'll start it, not us. On that note, I've been seeing where damascus inporting all kinds of hate and discontent into iraq for a while, they need to snap shut that damn border. Of course, we can't secure our own properly, how can one expect them to do it half way round the world. Really pisses me off...dman

This is one of the main points that General Shinseki spoke out about in 2003. That's why he told Bush he needed 325,000 troops - to secure the borders.

[Old Dude]

Maybe we're just still looking for those Iraqi WMDs.

[defenseman]

This is one of the main points that General Shinseki spoke out about in 2003. That's why he told Bush he needed 325,000 troops - to secure the borders.

Yep, and GW blew it, toss rumsfeld in there with him. I hope GW is kicking himself nightly for sticking with rumsfeld. Rumsfeld, was a disaster..dman

[defenseman]

Maybe we're just still looking for those Iraqi WMDs.

I'd start in syria ...dman

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Yep, and GW blew it, toss rumsfeld in there with him. I hope GW is kicking himself nightly for sticking with rumsfeld. Rumsfeld, was a disaster..dmanBush's press conference this morning.....

Visibly shaken, and angry. Bill Seidman (long time analyst on CNBC) says he's, for lack of a better term, losing it.

[Rohirrim]

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1624993,00.html

More dangerous BS from Bushy.

Both cases show how the Administration is still trying to manipulate intelligence to further its strategic goals. ABC says that Deputy National Security Advisor Elliot Abrams is behind the covert action against Iran, which reportedly stems from a "nonlethal presidential finding" signed by Bush to launch a plan that "includes a coordinated campaign of propaganda, disinformation and manipulation of Iran's currency and international financial transactions." But the CIA has consistently told this White House it can't do anything about the mullahs in Tehran short of strangling the country economically, in particular cutting off finished fuel products. That could take years, which is too long for the Bush Administration. (Both the White House and CIA refused to comment to ABC about the report.)
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If the Bush Administration continues to feed the American people the same dog's breakfast of bad intelligence, we'll be in Iraq until Bush leaves office. And while we're at it, just maybe in a war with Iran.

[defenseman]

Bush's press conference this morning.....

Visibly shaken, and angry. Bill Seidman (long time analyst on CNBC) says he's, for lack of a better term, losing it.

Honestly, this is not surprising to me. I question at this point whether or not he can navigate to a logical conclusion on matters of any importance wrt iraq and the border. I can't help but assume politics may be part of the problem, the other being his legacy. It's pretty much shot to hell at this point. Possibly, that's the reason a war "czar" is in the process of working into place. Who knows. He is scaring me on a couple of fronts, I'll admit that.....dman

*the next election is of extreme importance. We gotta elect a "for america first" president, not politically driven for a single party. At this point, I don't care who it is as long as they are for america first. EXTREMELY concerned for our country, however, I remain cautiously optimisic.

[clarkster]

Honestly, this is not surprising to me. I question at this point whether or not he can navigate to a logical conclusion on matters of any importance wrt iraq and the border. I can't help but assume politics may be part of the problem, the other being his legacy. It's pretty much shot to hell at this point. Possibly, that's the reason a war "czar" is in the process of working into place. Who knows. He is scaring me on a couple of fronts, I'll admit that.....dman

*the next election is of extreme importance. We gotta elect a "for america first" president, not politically driven for a single party. At this point, I don't care who it is as long as they are for america first. EXTREMELY concerned for our country, however, I remain cautiously optimisic.

word.

[REB]

This is one of the main points that General Shinseki spoke out about in 2003. That's why he told Bush he needed 325,000 troops - to secure the borders.


I have always believed that we should have went in there with at least twice as many troops as we did. If we're going to do it then do it right. You can't f'k around with war. Vietnam should have taught us that.

[Hotrod]

Honestly, this is not surprising to me. I question at this point whether or not he can navigate to a logical conclusion on matters of any importance wrt iraq and the border. I can't help but assume politics may be part of the problem, the other being his legacy. It's pretty much shot to hell at this point. Possibly, that's the reason a war "czar" is in the process of working into place. Who knows. He is scaring me on a couple of fronts, I'll admit that.....dman

*the next election is of extreme importance. We gotta elect a "for america first" president, not politically driven for a single party. At this point, I don't care who it is as long as they are for america first. EXTREMELY concerned for our country, however, I remain cautiously optimisic.

Agree 100%

Problem is you will have 2 choices and 2 only. Those 2 will be the ones that the 2 partys allow you to vote for. The system is broke

[Bob]

I'm surprised you keep positioning yourself as some kind of "true blue" American and yet you insult those soldiers who have died or been hideously wounded in Iraq for their lack of "resolve." You're the worst of the worst. The kind of guy who keeps waving the flag as long as it's not him being called to die. The guy who wraps himself in the flag while the nincompoop leader he continues to defend (above even his own country) kills his fellow Americans through sheer incompetence, stubbornness and false bravado. You question the resolve of your fellow Americans while you stand up for this draft dodging chicken hawk who sends men to do what he refused to do? I've got news for you. You will never destroy muslim fundamentalism with an army. Never. Occupying armies create terrorism. How many Americans will die before George Bush figures that out? Like Eisenhower always used to point out, they are quick to send armies who have never seen a battlefield. Bush is the perfect ignoramus: The man who believes that because he has a hammer, ever problem is a nail. I'm still amazed there are so many in this country who still agree with him. Of course, if you watch Jay Leno you know, Americans are about the most politically ignorant people on the planet.

Well, I guess th eonly thing I would like to point out, is that I dont think we are losing due to the lack of resolve of our troops, like Vietnam the lack of resolve seems to be from those administering the war plan, and those in the media who unedermine. You may still hate my stand, but I wanted to clarify, that I dont think the troops are the wimps. Not sure how, you got that I thought that the troops lacked resolve?

[REB]

" if you watch Jay Leno you know, Americans are about the most politically ignorant people on the planet."

I always find it amazing how clueless those people are. They must have never read a book in school, don't read the papers or watch the news. Totally ignorant and clueless. How in the hell did they ever graduate?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Large Navel Presence
http://www.bmeworld.com/obmf/images/navel.jpg

Coast of Iran
http://www.parstimes.com/spaceimages/bushehr_coast_2.jpg

[Hotrod]

Large Navel Presence
http://www.bmeworld.com/obmf/images/navel.jpg

Coast of Iran
http://www.parstimes.com/spaceimages/bushehr_coast_2.jpg

That actually might have been your best post to date.

[epicSocialism4tw]

That actually might have been your best post to date.

It's kind of like warming up to a food that you didnt like before. You get a taste...it gets you thinking about adding it to your plate next time...and then you cook it at home. ;D

[Rohirrim]

All I see are two red exes.

[Hotrod]

All I see are two red exes.

LOL go with that your better off ;D

It was a crack on my spelling issue.

When in reality there really are a large number of navels off the coast of Iran so Im actually very correct. ;D

[Bob]

I agree but isnt the goal to make America better and stronger for our kids ? and if so how can we do that with Status quo ?
I dont thin anyone believes these other countries are better , but there are things we can take from each to make us better .Doesnt have a damn thing to do with us thinking another country is better

Everyone thinks that some real change is needed, folks are just pulling completley opposite directions most of the time resulting in the status quo.

But like a have said before I would like to see either one of two plans implimented in Iraq: 1. to get out and now, or 2. to fight with everything we have. No slow bleed option, which result in an eventual loss anyway, but with more American lives lost.

[Bob]

I'm surprised you keep positioning yourself as some kind of "true blue" American and yet you insult those soldiers who have died or been hideously wounded in Iraq for their lack of "resolve." You're the worst of the worst. The kind of guy who keeps waving the flag as long as it's not him being called to die. The guy who wraps himself in the flag while the nincompoop leader he continues to defend (above even his own country) kills his fellow Americans through sheer incompetence, stubbornness and false bravado. You question the resolve of your fellow Americans while you stand up for this draft dodging chicken hawk who sends men to do what he refused to do? I've got news for you. You will never destroy muslim fundamentalism with an army. Never. Occupying armies create terrorism. How many Americans will die before George Bush figures that out? Like Eisenhower always used to point out, they are quick to send armies who have never seen a battlefield. Bush is the perfect ignoramus: The man who believes that because he has a hammer, ever problem is a nail. I'm still amazed there are so many in this country who still agree with him. Of course, if you watch Jay Leno you know, Americans are about the most politically ignorant people on the planet.

I think that your hatred of Bush, makes you assume that all who dont have the exact view of the war and politics, are by definition ardent supporters of Bush.

[Rohirrim]

I think that your hatred of Bush, makes you assume that all who dont have the exact view of the war and politics, are by definition ardent supporters of Bush.

You're damn right I hate Bush. His stupidity and bullheadedness is getting Americans killed for no good reason. Reminds me of LBJ. That stupid bastard just wouldn't change gears. No matter what. He only knew one thing; No matter how big of a hole you're in, just keep stepping on the gas. It's like a jackass. A dumb ****er like that only understands it when you go upside their head with a 2x. I sure do question the intelligence of anybody who still agrees with anything Bush comes up with. That man is a ****ing moron.

[broncocalijohn]

**** you and your anti american comment. How does death sound??? WTF are you yapping about. I doubt Iran is planning to attack us in the near future, and I am quite sick of us being Israels guard dog. They are quite capable of taking care of themselves. In addition if/ or should I say when the **** hits the fan with Iran, the draft will need to be re-instated to fill the giant holes in our military. Get your sons and daughters prepared.


Anti american comment? How is that? I put out there that paying $10 a gallon might not be an option if we are DEAD! If you think Iran attacking Israel with nukes is not in our interest, you are in cloud 9. Your anger needs to be steered away from someone who points out the first line as playing devils advocate. Someone already commented on your $10 a gallon comment and you had no response there. You are an angry man and need special help. With you not tailgatting in months, you are in dire need of a grill and a beer. Less than 3 months away. While you chill out, ill get my 3 and 4 year old boys some army gear so they can be ready for the coming war.

[TailgateNut]

Anti american comment? How is that? .

This is what you directed at me:"Your iranian hero wants Israel gone! Israel's hope is to keep their nukes for such an attack from Iran. Wake up anti american hero."

Hopefully that makes you feel like a man!

[Hotrod]

Things just keep getting worse by the minute.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070524/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_israel_1

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's hard-line president warned Israel on Thursday that other nations in the region would "uproot" the Jewish state if it attacked Lebanon in the summer.

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"If you think that by bombing and assassinating Palestinian leaders you are preparing ground for new attacks on Lebanon in the summer, I am telling you that you are seriously wrong," President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told a rally in the city of Isfahan.

"If this year you repeat the same mistake of the last year, the ocean of nations of the region will get angry and will uproot the Zionist regime."

[Bob]

You're damn right I hate Bush. His stupidity and bullheadedness is getting Americans killed for no good reason. Reminds me of LBJ. That stupid bastard just wouldn't change gears. No matter what. He only knew one thing; No matter how big of a hole you're in, just keep stepping on the gas. It's like a jackass. A dumb ****er like that only understands it when you go upside their head with a 2x. I sure do question the intelligence of anybody who still agrees with anything Bush comes up with. That man is a ****ing moron.

So dont be shy tell us how you really feel. ;)

[Cool Breeze]

I thought it was a shipment of oranges...

[Spider]

! If you think Iran attacking Israel with nukes is not in our interest, you are in cloud 9.

who says I ran will attack Israel ? I hope you are not talking about that badly translated quoter Almond Joy said about Israel , cause Almond Joy never said Bomb Israel off the face of the earth , what Almond joy said was Israel will go the way of communism , implode with in .........

[maher_tyler]

World War III here we come!!

[Spider]

World War III here we come!!
WW3 , I know most Christians disagree with me on this , but we wont have a ww3 , Germany , Japan, Russia , Italy , Africa , are not in a position to sustain a world war, back in the day , the ottoman empire was able to keep supplies
flowing because of the strategic location .......... come to think of it , there was a time when the sun never sat on the British empire ......