Portis on Vick...."If it's behind closed doors it's ok"

[Disco Man]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18783681/
Why did we ever trade this guy???????????????

[RkyMtnThunder]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18783681/
Why did we ever trade this guy???????????????



Portis, demonstrating the intellectual prowess of Miami alumni!

[MadCity]

(Clinton's cell phone rings)

Clinton: Who dis?

Hi Clinton, It's Roger Goodell.

Sup Commish?

Nothing much, we were just wondering if you could swing by the league office next week. And also, if you could just shut the **** up until training camp, that'd be great. Thanks guy. Btw - love the costumes. That's just wacky.

[Malcontent]

I lost all respect for this A**Clown after this.. I used to think he was funny and kinda cool Now...Not so much.

[Disco Man]

On the Fan today Jim Armstrong reminded all of us that after his NFL days are over he won't be going into "Rocket Science".

[Popps]

What would really shock NFL fans is how many guys in the league have this exact same kind of above the law mindset, imo.

[Northman]

I lost all respect for this A**Clown after this.. I used to think he was funny and kinda cool Now...Not so much.


Somehow, i saw this long before today.

[Los Broncos]

I so dislike this guy.

[Malcontent]

Somehow, i saw this long before today.

True..but he's never said something this bad..Or at least I've never seen or heard it. I just saw a snippet on NFL network where he said " I'll take you to my hometown in the backwoods of (name any southern state) where people have dogfights every day" Paraphrasing, but thats what this punk said!

[Clockwork Orange]

Thank Christ this idiot was given a one way ticket out of town.

[watermock]

I've always pretty much chuckled at Portis' antics because they were generally comical. He's a very fine back that has been run like a mule in Wash.

However, this was just plain stupid. He knows where other dog fighting venues are? Maybe the cops should have a little talk with him. It's called being a material witness. I think.

This continues to get weirder. It's ironic, but the Vick fiasco and Portis' assertion of multiple other fighting sites will be a gift horse. People like to make fun because I have a cat. Or two. But I don't hate dogs at all. I'm an animal over actually, especially song birds who are finally recovering after the attack of the crows a couple decades ago. I've got wrens and orioles in the trees. I could hit a deer with a rock at the farm grove.

[Disco Man]

Thank Christ this idiot was given a one way ticket out of town.

And don't forget who we got in returnLOL

[cutthemdown]

Portis is an idiot who will soon be done as a star in the NFL. He's starting to show the wear and tear of Gibbs running system already. He's not very smart either obviously.

[broncogary]

On the Fan today Jim Armstrong reminded all of us that after his NFL days are over he won't be going into "Rocket Science".

Damn, I was hoping he'd be coming to NASA down here. LOL

[Disco Man]

A good pay per view would be Portis vs Tyson on Jeopardy

[ludo21]

What would really shock NFL fans is how many guys in the league have this exact same kind of above the law mindset, imo.


exactly, wouldnt shock me at all tho. But most players arent dumb enough to come out and say it tho.

[boltaneer]

Vick is probably on the phone with Portis right now cussing him out.

"I'm about to get this investigation over with and now you open your big trap? Thanks, dumbass!"

[orange 4 life]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18783681/
Why did we ever trade this guy???????????????

thanks for starting a new thread.
good to see that the attorney down there seems to be on top of things, and REALLY good to hear him say he "thinks that he (vick) is" involved, all be it of course not on the same level as his relatives that live there.

as for portis, its literally jaw dropping.
am950 played a portion of the audio clip today, and the interviewer actually CHUCKLED uncomfortably after portis said he thought it was okay because theyre "his dogs...his property."

i wonder if clinton realizes what a piece of sh!t he just made himself look like?
i wonder what he'd say if someone confronted him with that "truth about dog fighting" link we saw here?

there are just no two ways about this.
to defend that kind of carnage as "not a big deal" you have to be a SERIOUSLY deranged person. a really bad apple. that or uneducated to the point of recklessness.

[Steve Prefontaine]

I actually heard this on the radio on Sunday morning at like 1AM. Portis being ignorant. Shocker. He's dead to me.

[epicSocialism4tw]

A good pay per view would be Portis vs Tyson on Jeopardy

I'd buy that.

[Clockwork Orange]

i wonder if clinton realizes what a piece of sh!t he just made himself look like?

I guarantee you he's completely oblivious to it.

[epicSocialism4tw]

What would really shock NFL fans is how many guys in the league have this exact same kind of above the law mindset, imo.

They are above the law for the most part. Just as anyone with connections and money is.

The funny thing about it is that you have messed up idiots like Portis showing just how stupid the lot of them can be. The guy laughing next to him in that interview wasnt laughing because it was funny. It was one of those "Man...you arent supposed to say that to these people!" kind of laughs.

The NFL is a wasteland. It's funny that people try to tear down players like Reggie White when the league is so full of Portisesque troglodytes.

On another note, I wonder if this is going to spur forward a wave of stupidity where other prominent members of the dog fighting community say statements of support for Vick.

[GoHAM]

We need a new smilie here called :talkingoutofyourass:

It could look something like this:

http://polls.gawker.com/pictures/124.1356cb0dd9c15d3b56aaeb39fe7807e9.jpg a.k.a. Dr. "I don't know"

What an idiot.

I am so glad his predominantly orange pass was revoked.

[Donk]

Could be that his roots go back to Chicken George.

Who takes a worst beating a pit bull or a running back.

[Tredici]

There but for the Grace of God. Hopefully none of these people, or their families, with such a cavalier attitude towards dogs are never in need of any type of companion animal to help get them through the day. They may have to realize the meaning of what is truly "property" and what is a living, breathing being. What literally makes me sick about this is the nature of the dog. They will return from the fight ring torn and bloody and offer their allegiance to the person who put them there. Jackasses.

[Killericon]

I used to like this guy...Literally moments before I read this.

I wonder what Champ thinks about it?

[BurgundyNGold]

It's crap like this that makes me hate Portis. I've put up with his stupid costumes and whatnot but this ridiculous. He gives 100% when he's on the field and that's admirable, but he needs to STFU and start getting the 5.0 YPC average and ripping off the 65-70 yard TDs that his mouth seems to think he's still getting.

This is the year. If he doesn't show why we traded for him this year, I will not be a happy camper.

[/rant]

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Its funny looking back at the trade... most of us thought it was lopsided then. Just imagine the stuff going on "behind closed doors" when Portis was getting a little big for his britches. Then Snyder comes along and offers not only the best defensive player in the league for this asshat... but a 2nd rounder to boot. What a ****ty time to be a Redskins fan right about now...

[listopencil]

Somebody go ask the members of the Extreme Skins board who got the better end of that trade. I can't. I got banned for asking that question in a poll.

[vancejohnson82]

what an a$$ this guy is

I've always liked him and thought he was a breath of fresh air with the costumes and playful attitude but this is just stupid...i hope he is mauled by a pack of PETA activists on his way home from practice this summer

and who is the guy next to him in the interview???

[Circle Orange]

"Ith aww rite iff sumwun wanna fite dem dogs, 'cuz it be dere bizniss."

Mushmouth speaks.

"Eye be...ah meen, ah don' condone dat stuff, but it his bizniss."

Damn, has stupid ever looked so bad????

[vancejohnson82]

Well, at least no one is going to take his opinion seriously....

"Man, I'm from Georgia...down there i could take you to some backroads to see some dogfights" - could ya Clinton??

I would have loved to see the reporter say, "OK, lets go."

[elsid13]

I saw this last night, and couldn't believe that dumb ass said that. The guy he was with was giving WTF look, and trying to edge out of the video shoot as fast as possible.

I can not believe he doesn't get it, what a freaking idiot!

[Dr. Broncenstein]

On the bright side... at least he didn't say "dogfighting is better than a 3-way."

[Arkansas Bronco]

I used to like this guy...Literally moments before I read this.

I wonder what Champ thinks about it?

Well It was after I read this that I turned. Oh I knew that we killed the skins the day the trade was made but still liked him. But the dude just basicaly said he has been to some dog fights and its ok then tried to back out probably after his agent called him and told him he just screwed himself. Now I want to watch Portis and Vick fight 2 grizzlie bears (I would be willing to sub in 2 bengal tigers instead if that would be what the crowd wanted more). Now that would be some entertainment.

[bendog]

This guy was well on his way to the HOF till he shot his mouth out of Denver and into Gibbs' clusterfick

[HorseHead]

I hope Vick gives Portis some of that Ron Mexico herpes...

[Hotrod]

A good pay per view would be Portis vs Tyson on Jeopardy

LOL I'd watch

[bronco militia]

reason #101 why the Broncos got the better end of this deal

[DeuceOfClub]

Professor Clueless.

http://cache.deadspin.com/sports/sheriffgonnagitcha.jpg

[Garcia Bronco]

You guys are like a bunch of hens.

[NaptownChief]

LOL I'd watch



Throw Vick into that challenge and we might have a pay per view record toping De La Hoya and Pretty Boy.


I could see it now.....How do you spell "house":

Tyson: "Ho"

Portis: "howse"

Vick: "howce"

[epicSocialism4tw]

Throw Vick into that challenge and we might have a pay per view record toping De La Hoya and Pretty Boy.



We could call it "Bucket of Dumb".

[Hogan11]

When it comes to this Flavor Clown....well, I'm not one to say I told you so

But I told you so.

[NaptownChief]

We could call it "Bucket of Dumb".


It sure would be that.

Speaking of dumb...There are some things in life you just don't forget. I remember when I was a kid, probably about 12 years old, I spent a week at Bob Knight Basketall Camp. One of the camp instructors was asked if he could dunk. His reply was "I could use to...". Needless to say I didn't forget just how stupid that sounded even to a 12 year old kid.

[Tredici]

When it comes to this Flavor Clown....well, I'm not one to say I told you so

But I told you so.

One of my few claims to fame. I saw the very first interview Portis did in Denver and promptly posted "That kid has no longevity in a Denver uniform" --I think at the ColoradoSportsTalk board at the time.

Put people in a frenzy but I got bad vibes from him the very first time I heard him open his mouth. I think the word money came out too many times....

[Circle Orange]

Live on 980 TEAM in Washington, 12noon EST. Supposedly it was a 'joke' and he wasn't serious...the reporter who did the interview double checked her notes laughing, saying NO ONE thought he was joking. Chris Samuels (a teammate) was standing next to Portis during the interview and giggling like a goofball through the whole thing. DUH...

Speculation is that someone at Redskins Park may have made a phone call to the mushmouthed running back. No comment from Gibbs so far.

This is weak. He KNOWS he looked like an ass, and is now trying to cover his butt by saying it was a joke. I get annoyed with this 'give the brother a break' stuff, even if something they do is wrong or dumb. And last time I checked, no one was 'hunting down' Vick. What does he think this is, a turkey shoot? :clown:

[Hogan11]

One of my few claims to fame. I saw the very first interview Portis did in Denver and promptly posted "That kid has no longevity in a Denver uniform" --I think at the ColoradoSportsTalk board at the time.

Put people in a frenzy but I got bad vibes from him the very first time I heard him open his mouth. I think the word money came out too many times....

Vindication Tred....vindication. For all the heat we took from those glued to this goof's jock over the years...we really don't have to say anything more.

[Steve Prefontaine]

and who is the guy next to him in the interview???

I think it's Chris Samuels.

[NYBronco]

Let the idiot speak freely. I need some good entertainment in the off season.

[Tredici]

This should go over about as big as his character pressers. I'm sure you've seen more of those than I have but the clips look rather painful. Like it's funny for about 15 seconds and then it's not and no one know how to end them gracefully. If I covered that team after the first one I would avoid the rest like the plague. I mean how many times does anyone need to do the same gag in a different costume? Every one of those I've seen has leaned away from clever towards painfully dumb.

[bendog]

hmmmmm, "hunting down Vick." As a reality show, I'd bite. They could even let us draw lots to see who got to be hunters.

Sort of a remake of

http://www.movieposter.com/poster/b70-10863/Naked_Prey.html

Of course, Cornell Wilde lived, so that would have to be changed.

[orange 4 life]

uh huh.

so now forcing dogs to maul eachother is comic relief?

his attempt at backtracking actually makes him look WORSE.
does he joke about other funny stuff like rape, kidnapping, aids, and clubbing baby seals?

what a complete turd.

[Garcia Bronco]

I am more interested on where Portis stands on cock-fighting

[Tredici]

I am more interested on where Portis stands on cock-fighting


Yeah? Well, that's his bidness.

[dbfan4life]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6836960?MSNHPHCP&GT1=10035

If somebody is too stupid to understand the fundamental immorality of dog fighting, you're never going to be able to explain it to him.
So don't waste your breath on Clinton Portis.

You could show him scripture, wherein man's dominion over animals comes with an insistence on "holiness and justice."

It's hard to believe many of you out there would support Clinton Portis' whole "it's his property" defense of Michael Vick. But then, it was hard to believe anyone in the NFL would come forward in defense of dog fighting in the first place. So here goes: What do you think?

You could photocopy Gandhi's essay on animal rights for him.

Heck, you could even give him a copy of Ralph Ellison's Invisible Man in the hopes that he might see a parallel in the inhumanity between Ellison's battle royal — a brutal free-for-all fought by black men for the entertainment of whites — and a bunch of men standing around and cheering as two dogs tear each other apart.

But none of it would take. So this isn't a column with an educational purpose. This is a more retributive exercise with the aim of adding just a sliver of anguish and misery to the otherwise great life of multi-millionaire jackass Clinton Portis, written on behalf of my dog Sam.

In what could have been a completely inconsequential off-season interview, the idiot Portis, for no apparent reason, decided to weigh in on behalf of Michael Vick and in favor of dog fighting.

When I saw the headline I thought it must have been one ill-conceived comment — perhaps blown out of proportion or taken the wrong way — but, oh no, Portis went out of his way to reiterate again and again in different ways that he has no problems with dog owners fighting their dogs.

If you thought Ted Koppel tried to throw Al Campanis a lifeline, check out how many times the interviewer gives Portis opportunities to backtrack.

On the topic of Vick facing possible charges for dog fighting, Portis opened with, "I think people should mind their business, you know. I don't know if he was fighting dogs or not, but it's his property, his dog, if that's what he wants to do, do it."

When apprised by the startled interviewer that dog fighting is a felony, Portis was fairly incredulous. It seems to be the first he's heard of that development within our justice system. But he's ready with a rebuttal.

"It can't be too bad of a crime. There's a lot of stuff that's crimes, you know. It's killers on the loose over here and you want to hunt down Michael Vick over fighting some dogs."

Well said, Clint. Well said. But he was just getting started.

"I think behind closed doors the same people who do all the judging are probably some of the harshest people around. They're Internet predators and everything else."

Smart. Use the Karl Rove strategy, go on the attack. The people — law enforcement officers, district attorneys, judges — condemning others for dog fighting are Internet predators. Nice.

Come to think of it, we've got to get Chris Hansen and his crew to surprise the gang at one of these dog fights. Those would be some choice interviews. Smart crowd, the dog fighting fan base.

Apparently Portis was no stranger to these Mensa meetings when he was growing up.

"I'm from Laurel, Mississippi, so I know a lot of backroads that got a dog fight if you want to go see it." Perhaps the FBI can take up Clinton on this offer.

After suggesting that he suspected cops and judges were staging dogfights too, Portis was asked what he would think if Vick is charged and convicted.

Still unclear on the illegal nature of the activity, Portis asks, "How could you convict somebody on a dog fight?"

Okay, knucklehead, hypothetically, what if Vick were convicted?

"Then I think he got cheated. You take a positive role model...and put him behind bars for no reason, over a dog fight."

Positive role model? Wow, this interview just gets nuttier and nuttier. Was it his airport antics, flipping off the fans, or throwing coaches under the bus that made Vick a positive role model? I forget.

Portis seems genuinely confused at why we can't do whatever we want to our animals in the privacy of our massive compounds. He seems to be asking, if you own the animals and you keep it on your property, who's to say you can't torture them? Civil society, Clinton, that's who.

A few hours after yucking it up for the camera and leaving no doubt that he absolutely positively condones dog fighting, Portis issued a statement through the Redskins (the only team nickname almost as offensive as dog fighting):

"In the recent interview I gave concerning dog fighting, I want to make it clear I do not take part in dog fighting or condone dog fighting in any manner," the statement said.

Except, of course, at Michael Vick's house and on the back roads of Mississippi. No, Clinton, that weak, after-the-fact, half-hearted retraction won't convince anybody that you didn't mean what you said. Over and over. Cutting a big check to the ASPCA probably won't convince anyone either, but at least it would do some good.

Daniel Snyder might even go halves with you. (He only believes in cruel and unusual punishment for coaches waiting to be fired.)

The sad part is I had always liked Clinton Portis. I thought the costumes were great and his sound bites consistently funny. But he's lost me now.

When I think about pro athletes siccing dogs on one another it makes me consider rooting for catastrophic knee injuries.

But I guess I'm not that cruel. If, however, Portis missed another batch of games in '07 with his chronic shoulder problems, well, maybe it would be karma.

Anyone who flippantly condones animal cruelty deserves no better.

Kevin Hench is a frequent contributor to FOXSports.com.

[epicSocialism4tw]

"It can't be too bad of a crime. There's a lot of stuff that's crimes, you know. It's killers on the loose over here and you want to hunt down Michael Vick over fighting some dogs."

First off, Clinton Portis is a straight-up redneck.

Secondly, this guy is absolutely out of touch with the real world. You can tell from his remarks that this type of thing is common both in his home culture and in the NFL culture. He's too stupid to realize what insight he's giving us.


"I think behind closed doors the same people who do all the judging are probably some of the harshest people around. They're Internet predators and everything else."

This is a great example of how some people can coast through life without developing more sulci in their brains than they are forced to.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Clint and Ray Ray
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6CslpftOe4&mode=related&search=

Still Pimpin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Debd3wJJ7U&mode=related&search=

Dolemite Jenkins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFW5669YIJA&NR=1

I also found some video where Portis and a couple of other Redskins put on a charity event they call "Three Kings of Washington". Even in his attempts at charity he comes off as an idiot parading his coolness.

[cutthemdown]

The trade of Portis for Champ looks better and better every year. I mean we have a soft spoken respectfull, humble all world corner and DC has a podunk, injury prone attention whore that thinks it's ok to fight dogs and be cruel to animals.

[Garcia Bronco]

Yeah? Well, that's his bidness.

He's always got his mind on his money and his money on his mind

[Tredici]

He's always got his mind on his money and his money on his mind


Amen. Clinton be all about the bling. Always has been.

[Garcia Bronco]

Amen. Clinton be all about the bling. Always has been.

fo real doe

[mattbeymvp]

Portis was right.

All of this "character" stuff is a direct result of ESPN sensationalizing sports journalism and turning every single transgression into a catastrophe of epic proportions.

ESPN has been engaged in advocacy journalism for the past few years, and it's destroying sports. Athletes are not role models, they're normal human beings. It's absurd for ESPN to push its cameras further and further off the field and out of the stadium, into the private lives of athletes and then demand that these athletes act a certain way to placate them.

The cameras and reporters are in places they shouldn't be.

[theAPAOps5]

Portis was right.

All of this "character" stuff is a direct result of ESPN sensationalizing sports journalism and turning every single transgression into a catastrophe of epic proportions.

ESPN has been engaged in advocacy journalism for the past few years, and it's destroying sports. Athletes are not role models, they're normal human beings. It's absurd for ESPN to push its cameras further and further off the field and out of the stadium, into the private lives of athletes and then demand that these athletes act a certain way to placate them.

The cameras and reporters are in places they shouldn't be.

Hey what happened to your cute little website. I looked at your profile because you aren't pimping it in your AVY anymore and you don't have home site. Then I looked and LOW and BEHOLD the site has been suspended!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Portis was right.

All of this "character" stuff is a direct result of ESPN sensationalizing sports journalism and turning every single transgression into a catastrophe of epic proportions.

ESPN has been engaged in advocacy journalism for the past few years, and it's destroying sports. Athletes are not role models, they're normal human beings. It's absurd for ESPN to push its cameras further and further off the field and out of the stadium, into the private lives of athletes and then demand that these athletes act a certain way to placate them.

The cameras and reporters are in places they shouldn't be.Oh geeezus! Anyone who is famous, rich etc... is scrutinized. Find a clue.

[mattbeymvp]

Hey what happened to your cute little website. I looked at your profile because you aren't pimping it in your AVY anymore and you don't have home site. Then I looked and LOW and BEHOLD the site has been suspended!

I made a huge post. I took the thing down after Darrent was murdered because I didn't want to continue to provoke controversy.

The account wasn't in my name anyway.

[Northman]

I think it's Chris Samuels.

You would be correct.

[theAPAOps5]

I made a huge post. I took the thing down after Darrent was murdered because I didn't want to continue to provoke controversy.

The account wasn't in my name anyway.

Oh, I missed that then. Sorry to give you grief then since the reasons are pretty admirable.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

The Portis interview coming up next on ATH on ESPN.

[Garcia Bronco]

Portis was right.

All of this "character" stuff is a direct result of ESPN sensationalizing sports journalism and turning every single transgression into a catastrophe of epic proportions.

ESPN has been engaged in advocacy journalism for the past few years, and it's destroying sports. Athletes are not role models, they're normal human beings. It's absurd for ESPN to push its cameras further and further off the field and out of the stadium, into the private lives of athletes and then demand that these athletes act a certain way to placate them.

The cameras and reporters are in places they shouldn't be.

I agree 100 percent

[Northman]

Portis was right.

All of this "character" stuff is a direct result of ESPN sensationalizing sports journalism and turning every single transgression into a catastrophe of epic proportions.

ESPN has been engaged in advocacy journalism for the past few years, and it's destroying sports. Athletes are not role models, they're normal human beings. It's absurd for ESPN to push its cameras further and further off the field and out of the stadium, into the private lives of athletes and then demand that these athletes act a certain way to placate them.

The cameras and reporters are in places they shouldn't be.


Your right, if Vick is guilty of fighting dogs he should be expelled from the NFL and serve prison time. Your are absolutely correct. He is just a normal joe and should be punished just like one. Good point. :thumbsup:

[mattbeymvp]

Your right, if Vick is guilty of fighting dogs he should be expelled from the NFL and serve prison time. Your are absolutely correct. He is just a normal joe and should be punished just like one. Good point. :thumbsup:

Although you're obviously being sarcastic, you are alluding to the justice system, which is entirely the point.

It is the realm of the state to decide whether or not Vick has committed a crime, not Tony Kornheiser or the staff of Cold Pizza. If Vick is found guilty in a court of law, then it stands to reason that he should face the same consequences as anybody else including losing his job if need be.

But let ESPN stick to giving me actual game highlights instead of twenty minute discussions on "character" I don't watch Sportscenter anymore because I have seen less and less sports and more and more advocacy journalism.

The should be investigated by detectives and other members of law enforcement, and then left to the normal avenues to determine punishment.

For Vick to be punished solely for giving the league bad press, which has been concocted and manufactured by ESPN to grab ratings, is unfair and damaging to sports. If he's convicted, then let the league do whatever it wants.

[Garcia Bronco]

Although you're obviously being sarcastic, you are alluding to the justice system, which is entirely the point.

It is the realm of the state to decide whether or not Vick has committed a crime, not Tony Kornheiser or the staff of Cold Pizza. If Vick is found guilty in a court of law, then it stands to reason that he should face the same consequences as anybody else including losing his job if need be.

But let ESPN stick to giving me actual game highlights instead of twenty minute discussions on "character" I don't watch Sportscenter anymore because I have seen less and less sports and more and more advocacy journalism.

The should be investigated by detectives and other members of law enforcement, and then left to the normal avenues to determine punishment.

For Vick to be punished solely for giving the league bad press, which has been concocted and manufactured by ESPN to grab ratings, is unfair and damaging to sports. If he's convicted, then let the league do whatever it wants.

Again...I 100 percent agree. I haven't watch ESPN except for the first round of the draft since december. It's a ****ty channel with ****ty people, and outside of actual sport...I can't believe people watch it. It's become terrible.

[Northman]

Although you're obviously being sarcastic, you are alluding to the justice system, which is entirely the point.

It is the realm of the state to decide whether or not Vick has committed a crime, not Tony Kornheiser or the staff of Cold Pizza. If Vick is found guilty in a court of law, then it stands to reason that he should face the same consequences as anybody else including losing his job if need be.

But let ESPN stick to giving me actual game highlights instead of twenty minute discussions on "character" I don't watch Sportscenter anymore because I have seen less and less sports and more and more advocacy journalism.

The should be investigated by detectives and other members of law enforcement, and then left to the normal avenues to determine punishment.

For Vick to be punished solely for giving the league bad press, which has been concocted and manufactured by ESPN to grab ratings, is unfair and damaging to sports. If he's convicted, then let the league do whatever it wants.


Although i dont entirely disagree with your reasoning, it just isnt reality. Especially when you have a high profile player like Vick. Vick is one of the premier athletes in sports today and unfortuantely when good/bad things happen to him it will be reported. Its not necessarily the right thing to do but its the reality of it all and its never going to change. Lets be realistic here, in today's day and age there is no way a athlete can go into their respective leagues and not know the consequences of getting involved or being around something illegal. You just cannot convince me that Vick didnt know what one of his close friends/relatives was going to do with all those dogs. And Vick knew that it could come back to haunt him in some way. Even if Vick wasnt directly involved he will always have that baggage on his shoulders that he allowed someone the opportunity to mistreat animals. Vick is a big boy, if he gets bad press its because he put himself in that situation to begin with. Again, the press is like a frenzy of sharks just waiting for the chum and Vick game them the blood they needed to feed off of.

[Tredici]

Portis was right.

All of this "character" stuff is a direct result of ESPN sensationalizing sports journalism and turning every single transgression into a catastrophe of epic proportions.

ESPN has been engaged in advocacy journalism for the past few years, and it's destroying sports. Athletes are not role models, they're normal human beings. It's absurd for ESPN to push its cameras further and further off the field and out of the stadium, into the private lives of athletes and then demand that these athletes act a certain way to placate them.

The cameras and reporters are in places they shouldn't be.

ESPN isn't responsible for anyone's lack of character. I guess sensationalizing sports journalism is turning me into an abnormal human being who doesn't condone dog fighting.

ESPN didn't invade Michael Vick's property. ESPN didn't twist Portis' arm to get in front of the camera and spout off his opinions.

Criminy. I wouldn't champion ESPN but to villify them in this particular thread makes absolutely no sense at all. These are normal human beings potentially engaged in illegal activities. That makes them news whether it's billybob and bobby joe or Michael and Clinton.

Portis isn't right. It is a criminal offense to engage in dog fighting. And if he's too stupid to know that it's no one's fault but his own. I'm so sick of this no one has to take personal responsibility mentality I could just scream.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Again...I 100 percent agree. I haven't watch ESPN except for the first round of the draft since december. It's a ****ty channel with ****ty people, and outside of actual sport...I can't believe people watch it. It's become terrible.No wonder you have no idea of what's happening out there and are egging on the anti-Shanahan troll.

[Northman]

ESPN isn't responsible for anyone's lack of character. I guess sensationalizing sports journalism is turning me into an abnormal human being who doesn't condone dog fighting.

ESPN didn't invade Michael Vick's property. ESPN didn't twist Portis' arm to get in front of the camera and spout off his opinions.

Criminy. I wouldn't champion ESPN but to villify them in this particular thread makes absolutely no sense at all. These are normal human beings potentially engaged in illegal activities. That makes them news whether it's billybob and bobby joe or Michael and Clinton.

Portis isn't right. It is a criminal offense to engage in dog fighting. And if he's too stupid to know that it's no one's fault but his own. I'm so sick of this no one has to take personal responsibility mentality I could just scream.



Agreed, today's generation has used the " blame everybody else " card when it comes to personal decisions and responsibility. Its downright shameful.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Agreed, today's generation has used the " blame everybody else " card when it comes to personal decisions and responsibility. Its downright shameful.


Its not my fault.

[Northman]

Its not my fault.



Your right, i blame Dirk. LOL

[Smiling Assassin27]

Stop it, you're gonna make Cuban cry again!

[watermock]

First, it's also a FEDERAL crime, not just state.

Second, as Tred pointed out, you don't expect a 24/7 sports network not to cover the Chosen One's transgressions? ESPN didn't "raid" the property. The DEA did.

Vick did a Mohammed Ali impression that he was famous "around the world" today. Asked about the dog fighting allegations, "No Comment"...he's still arrogant at this point.

Ceasar was always the last to know that his days were numbered. This is out of the hands of the NFL, ESPN for that matter.

Vick's "they can't pin nothin' on me" routine might come back to bite him. He's a registered dog breeder...but I don't think that it was a puppy farm.

[mattbeymvp]

First, it's also a FEDERAL crime, not just state.

Second, as Tred pointed out, you don't expect a 24/7 sports network not to cover the Chosen One's transgressions? ESPN didn't "raid" the property. The DEA did.

Vick did a Mohammed Ali impression that he was famous "around the world" today. Asked about the dog fighting allegations, "No Comment"...he's still arrogant at this point.

Ceasar was always the last to know that his days were numbered. This is out of the hands of the NFL, ESPN for that matter.

Vick's "they can't pin nothin' on me" routine might come back to bite him. He's a registered dog breeder...but I don't think that it was a puppy farm.

Has Vick been convicted of anything? Has he even been charged with anything?

The NFL shouldn't decide to drop any semblance of presumption of innocence just because ESPN, the football clueless, and every closet racist with a grudge against Vick have already convicted him.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Has Vick been convicted of anything? Has he even been charged with anything?

The NFL shouldn't decide to drop any semblance of presumption of innocence just because ESPN, the football clueless, and every closet racist with a grudge against Vick have already convicted him.
Ah, look, it's Garcia jr. running to Vick's defense.

[watermock]

I didn't say he was convicted of anything, YET you idiot, as far as being charged the investigation is continuing. Why are you coddling this idiot yet have a site called www.fireshanahan.com?

This a racist grudge against Vick? Look dimwit, they were doing a drug raid and found the dogs crying. Get your facts straight. If you haven't noticed, Vick has sold the property to an unknown buyer about 2 minutes after it went on the market.

Don't even pull the race card moron. If Brett Favre was involved in a drug raid and found a dog fighting compound they would just say "He's Brett...just clean up you mess?" In the south it's possible, but this crap happened because there was more than a dog investigation. There was NO DOG INVESTIGATION before they found the wounded and emanciated pitbulls.

[mattbeymvp]

I didn't say he was convicted of anything, YET you idiot, as far as being charged the investigation is continuing. Why are you coddling this idiot yet have a site called www.fireshanahan.com?

This a racist grudge against Vick? Look dimwit, they were doing a drug raid and found the dogs crying. Get your facts straight. If you haven't noticed, Vick has sold the property to an unknown buyer about 2 minutes after it went on the market.

Don't even pull the race card moron. If Brett Favre was involved in a drug raid and found a dog fighting compound they would just say "He's Brett...just clean up you mess?" In the south it's possible, but this crap happened because there was more than a dog investigation. There was NO DOG INVESTIGATION before they found the wounded and emanciated pitbulls.


I didn't say that you were a racist specifically. You could just be part of the football clueless that have a grudge against Vick because you think he sucks.

Vick hasn't been implicated by anybody other than "anonymous sources" that ESPN has decided to give credence to in order to push their advocacy journalism about this issue.

Then everybody jumps on Vick's back over an accusation against him that has yet to be substantiated by any kind of evidence.

[watermock]

Vick hasn't been implicated by anybody other than "anonymous sources" that ESPN has decided to give credence to in order to push their advocacy journalism about this issue.



Your so full of crap about this. There has been a spokesman who has explained it's an ongoing investigation. You call the DEA an anonymous source?

The reason there are anonymous sources is because it's an ongoing investigation involving close to a dozen in the fighting ring.

[Tredici]

I didn't say that you were a racist specifically. You could just be part of the football clueless that have a grudge against Vick because you think he sucks.

Vick hasn't been implicated by anybody other than "anonymous sources" that ESPN has decided to give credence to in order to push their advocacy journalism about this issue.

Then everybody jumps on Vick's back over an accusation against him that has yet to be substantiated by any kind of evidence.

You need to read all the posts on all the threads regarding this subject in this forum before spouting nonsense.

This has nothing to do with football clueless. This has nothing to do with anyone who might think Vick sucks as a football player.

This has nothing to do with anonymous sources and anyone can easily enough educate themselves on why there is speculation of charges being brought against Vick by doing a simple Google search.

Nobody has jumped Vick's back over anything but being disgusted that animals are possibly being abused while being housed on property he owns. It hasn't been tried in a court of law of but he is not exempt from public opinion any more than anyone else out there who would be suspected of this type of crime.

I'm sick of people being reducing to racists or morons simply because they have an opinion in a discussion forum.

Blaming ESPN for the lack of character in the NFL is the gem you thought you were introducing but when it was pointed out there is no correlation between that theory and this story suddenly it becomes the oldest and lamest race card blame game. NO ONE HERE IS TO BLAME FOR THE ALLEGED CONDITION OF THE DOGS FOUND ON VICK'S PROPERTY AND DISCUSSING IT DOESN'T MAKE ANYONE FOOLISH OR RACIST.

Here is the story - ANIMAL ABUSE. Here's the connection - FOUND ON MICHAEL VICK's PROPERTY. If it's too complicated of issue, go back to blaming ESPN for the character of athletes.

Great googly moogly.

[Malcontent]

I didn't say that you were a racist specifically. You could just be part of the football clueless that have a grudge against Vick because you think he sucks.

Vick hasn't been implicated by anybody other than "anonymous sources" that ESPN has decided to give credence to in order to push their advocacy journalism about this issue.

Then everybody jumps on Vick's back over an accusation against him that has yet to be substantiated by any kind of evidence.

Oh godddam not this guy again.

[dark_hawk]

Your so full of crap about this. There has been a spokesman who has explained it's an ongoing investigation. You call the DEA an anonymous source?

The reason there are anonymous sources is because it's an ongoing investigation involving close to a dozen in the fighting ring.

to add on this the DEA also raided the house if i remember right which isnt exactly easy to do. they have to get a warrant and im pretty sure no judge is going to just hand them one specially for someone like vick

[ksBRONCOfan]

Okay, I skipped pages two and three so maybe I'm repeating someone else.

I saw video of this interview on CNN this morning and I thought that he was just being a smart a$$. He didn't appear to be serious at all.

[dark_hawk]

Okay, I skipped pages two and three so maybe I'm repeating someone else.

I saw video of this interview on CNN this morning and I thought that he was just being a smart a$$. He didn't appear to be serious at all.

even if he was i don't really think there was anything smart about it. i mean with the new commish crackin down on this kind of thing it woulda been a lot smarter to keep his mouth shut

[Northman]

Okay, I skipped pages two and three so maybe I'm repeating someone else.

I saw video of this interview on CNN this morning and I thought that he was just being a smart a$$. He didn't appear to be serious at all.



No, he was being truthful but then backed off his statements in the paper a few days later after he got called on it.

[ksBRONCOfan]

No, he was being truthful but then backed off his statements in the paper a few days later after he got called on it.

Did you see it? The guy with him busted up laughing as soon as he said it.

[ksBRONCOfan]

even if he was i don't really think there was anything smart about it. i mean with the new commish crackin down on this kind of thing it woulda been a lot smarter to keep his mouth shut

Definitely, there is no doubt it was not a smart thing to do, but I don't think it was serious by any means.

[fdf]

Has Vick been convicted of anything? Has he even been charged with anything?

The NFL shouldn't decide to drop any semblance of presumption of innocence just because ESPN, the football clueless, and every closet racist with a grudge against Vick have already convicted him.

Maybe everyone who ever says anything bad about a black man IS a racist. But the racists didn't put the maimed dogs and the dog blood and the fighting paraphernalia on Vick's property. Even if Vick didn't know about the fighting, he is responsible for what happened by giving his property over to the POS that conducted it. Vick has noone to blame but himself, no matter how this plays out.

I wager that if Donald Trump were caught with maimed dogs and dog blood all over a penthouse he owned and let some low-life buds stay at, he would be having more than a little trouble with the press today. I also wager the same folks condemning Vick and Portis here would also be condemning Trump. Question is: would the folks carrying water for Vick and Portis today carry water for Trump also? I doubt it. And what does the answer to that question tell us about racism?

Next wager: suppose Peyton Manning went on national TV and said he didn't see what the big deal was about Donald Trump's dog fighting. Manning says, shoot, Trump kept it to himself and it's nobody's business but Trump's. Don't you think folks would be all over him just the way they are Portis? I don't see how this is a racial thing. It's a famous-but-stupid-with-no-moral-compass thing. I don't know what Manning secretly thinks about dog-fighting; but at least he's not stupid enough to give the interview Portis did. And he's not stupid enough to turn his property over to the lowlifes that Vick did.

[Northman]

Did you see it? The guy with him busted up laughing as soon as he said it.

Yea, that was Chris Samuels who happened to agree with his sentiments. It was all over the news and talk radio here in Maryland.

[Disco Man]

.............and on Tuesday he said he was sorry

[orange 4 life]

He's a registered dog breeder...but I don't think that it was a puppy farm.

a point thats lost on many.
he was/is a registered breeder with a false address and phone number on his website.

further, a breeder sells PUPPIES.
the dogs on his property were adults.
so much for the breeding theory.

[orange 4 life]

I didn't say that you were a racist specifically. You could just be part of the football clueless that have a grudge against Vick because you think he sucks.

Vick hasn't been implicated by anybody other than "anonymous sources" that ESPN has decided to give credence to in order to push their advocacy journalism about this issue.

Then everybody jumps on Vick's back over an accusation against him that has yet to be substantiated by any kind of evidence.

no evidence? are you freaking serious?

one of the investigators described finding injured and emaciated dogs (not puppies that would go along with the bullsh!t "breeding" excuse) as well as equipment used for dog fighting (most notable a device used to pry jaws apart) and blood stained carpet.

if thats not evidence, what is?

[bendog]

Yea, that was Chris Samuels who happened to agree with his sentiments. It was all over the news and talk radio here in Maryland.

Where's Lyle Alzado when you really need him? Dead. Damn it.

[Arkansas Bronco]

I thought (well hoped) that mattbeymvp had left for good. Hell even the chief trolls are a better read then this guy.

[bronco militia]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

POSTED 10:37 a.m. EDT, May 23, 2007

COMMISH CALLS OUT CLINTON

Have we mentioned that we really like this new Commissioner that the NFL hired last year?

Proving yet again that he "gets it," Roger Goodell body slammed Redskins running back Clinton Portis on Tuesday for his asinine remarks to a Virginia television station regarding Michael Vick's potential involvement in dog fighting.

"I'm extremely disappointed and embarrassed for Clinton Portis," Goodell said in a written statement, according to the Washington Post. "This does not reflect the sentiments of the Redskins, the NFL or NFL players."

We agree with everything Goodell said, except the last part. We're not so sure that the remarks from Portis don't reflect that sentiments of other NFL players. Animal rights groups have repeatedly alleged that there is a dog-fighting subculture in the NFL. Nonchalant remarks from players like Portis do nothing to calm such suspicions.

Meanwhile, Portis continues to talk, and shouldn't. Per David Elfin of the Washington Times (who regards this site as one rung above -- or perhaps below -- animal fighting), Portis had a chance to apologize for his comments during a Tuesday appearance on NFL Network, but didn't.

"I wasn't condoning dogfighting," Portis said. "Hunting is legal. You've got spearing sharks and 'The World's Greatest Catch' on TV. All those are animals. What I'm saying is that I don't think that issue is as big as they made it with the jail time and the consequences he's going to end up facing if proven guilty. Wait until it's proven to jump on the bandwagon.

"What I was saying was that there are bigger issues than what Michael Vick does on his own property. Now all of a sudden, I'm getting all the negativity, and I don't even have any dogs. I think the whole situation is blown out of proportion."

Clinton, one of the reasons that it is blown out of proportion is that idiots like you are saying that, if Vick was involved in dog fighting, he shouldn't be punished. It's what Portis said last week to WAVY-TV, and if we look closely at his remarks to NFLN, he's basically still saying the same thing, only with different words: "I don't think that the issue is as big as they made it with the jail time and the consequences he's going to end up facing if proven guilty."

People go to jail for doing illegal things. Portis doesn't think Mike Vick should go to jail if he was involved in dog fighting. In other words, Portis doesn't think dog fighting should be illegal. Therefore, he condones dog fighting.

At least left tackle Chris Samuels realizes that what Portis said was inappropriate, and dumb. Samuels was laughing as Portis made his initial remarks, and he's not laughing now.

"We were kind of joking the whole time we were there," Samuels said. "Once that question came about, I was kind of caught off guard. We were wrong for joking about the whole situation. We don't agree with dogfighting. Right after we got off [camera], I said [to myself], 'This might be a mess.'"

Samuels was right. Portis was wrong. And we think that his image as a funny and engaging semi-superstar has taken a big hit in the process.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/22/AR2007052201488.html


PORTIS APOLOGY
http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20070523-123333-3640r.htm

[Tredici]

What's a semi-superstar?

:rofl:

[Garcia Bronco]

What's a semi-superstar?

:rofl:

Me

[bendog]

Negativity? A-hole wants negativity, how about me thinking, "gee I never wish a knee on anyone ..... give him a Thiesman, please."

[Popps]

"What I was saying was that there are bigger issues than what Michael Vick does on his own property. Now all of a sudden, I'm getting all the negativity, and I don't even have any dogs. I think the whole situation is blown out of proportion."

O.K... no one expects the average jock to have much sense, but good lord. How does someone this stupid get through his day to day activities.

[Popps]

I also think it's interesting that he refers to it as "what MICHAEL VICK does on his property."

Again, either he's just painfully stupid, or maybe he's (unknowingly) giving out a little information, there.

[epicSocialism4tw]

O.K... no one expects the average jock to have much sense, but good lord. How does someone this stupid get through his day to day activities.

It takes several handlers.

[Popps]

It takes several handlers.

ROFL! Nice pun.

But, you're right. I saw where his agent was out there trying to apologize for the moron.

[epicSocialism4tw]

ROFL! Nice pun.

But, you're right. I saw where his agent was out there trying to apologize for the moron.

These guys have leeches hanging on to them from the day they show promise in high school. These same leeches set them up to fail by cradling them with Lawyers and other people who can keep them away from reality.

It's no mystery why so many of them lose their fortunes and fail in life when they leave football.

[ol number 7]

A good pay per view would be Portis vs Tyson on Jeopardy

And as MC Michael Irvin in one of his clown suits.

[bendog]

These guys have leeches hanging on to them from the day they show promise in high school. These same leeches set them up to fail by cradling them with Lawyers and other people who can keep them away from reality.

It's no mystery why so many of them lose their fortunes and fail in life when they leave football.

Looking at it another way: they are merely sheep waiting to be shorn. (-:

[Hulamau]

thanks for starting a new thread.
good to see that the attorney down there seems to be on top of things, and REALLY good to hear him say he "thinks that he (vick) is" involved, all be it of course not on the same level as his relatives that live there.

as for portis, its literally jaw dropping.
am950 played a portion of the audio clip today, and the interviewer actually CHUCKLED uncomfortably after portis said he thought it was okay because theyre "his dogs...his property."

i wonder if clinton realizes what a piece of sh!t he just made himself look like?
i wonder what he'd say if someone confronted him with that "truth about dog fighting" link we saw here?

there are just no two ways about this.
to defend that kind of carnage as "not a big deal" you have to be a SERIOUSLY deranged person. a really bad apple. that or uneducated to the point of recklessness.

Amen to all that