Paul Oliver Supplement Draft???

[elsid13]

Oliver has been rule ineligable and is request to be add to this year supplement draft any thought???

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/scorecard/cfootballnews.asp?articleID=202643
Georgia's Oliver ineligible for 2007 season

Athens, GA (Sports Network) - The University of Georgia announced on Thursday that senior cornerback Paul Oliver has failed to meet NCAA academic eligibility requirements and will be ineligible to play the 2007 season.

Oliver, who had 57 tackles and three interceptions in 13 games last season, plans to petition the NFL for entry into the supplemental draft this summer.

"We'll miss him for sure," said Bulldogs head coach Mark Richt. "Of course, he could have made a decision to leave for the draft immediately after his junior season. He was aware there could be risks but he decided to continue in school and get closer to his degree. His best opportunity now to continue his playing career is through the supplemental draft coming up in July."

Oliver's situation does not preclude him from remaining enrolled in school.



ESPN

Paul Oliver, CB, Georgia
Oliver is one of the most underrated prospects in the 2008 class right now. This 6-foot, 205-pound corner back impressed me with his improved coverage skills during the second half of the 2006 season, including a tremendous effort versus former Georgia Tech star WR Calvin Johnson (Lions, No. 2 overall). Don't be surprised if Oliver emerges as a top-10 pick a year from now.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Someone will give up a second or third for him. Broncs don't have a third (Thomas) and I don't think they would spend a second for a CB right now. If by some miracle the Broncs could get him for next year's fourth, grab him.

[watermock]

The saying "You can never have too many corners" is truer than ever in these pass happy days.

The guy runs a 4.3 and shut down Calvin. Take him with our second if it's just academics not behavior. If we have a good season, it would be a late second anyway. Good size at 205 for that kind of speed.

[Broncoman13]

I agree, we won't get a better player in next year's draft. Not in the first round and certainly not in the 2nd round. Think about it this way, he'll be a year further in his development too. I hope the Broncos do it. I've heard he can play some safety too.

[Lestat]

6-0 205 lb CB, who runs a 4.3 was likely to be a top 15 pick next year & would only cost a 2nd or 4th? i'm down with it but Denver might be satisfied with their current CB's

[youcandoit1687]

Paul Oliver shut Calvin down. It was partly Reggie Ball but it seemed like Oliver was able to establish better position and go up and out joust CJ for the ball. WOW. A team like the Saints or Giants will swoop in on him with maybe even a second rounder.

[SoCalBronco]

We already have too many resources invested in the corner position and anyway we are very strong there. It's oversaturated as it is. Champ is the highest paid player on the team, Bly just got a 16 mill bonus. Foxworth is a very good nickel corner and Paymah is a fine dime corner.

Add to that the fact that we are already out a third next year. I don't care if St. Peter is in the supplemental draft, don't trade away a future decent pick when we are damn good at that spot, already overinvested and don't even have a full arsenal of picks to start out with. No.

[elsid13]

We already have too many resources invested in the corner position and anyway we are very strong there. It's oversaturated as it is. Champ is the highest paid player on the team, Bly just got a 16 mill bonus. Foxworth is a very good nickel corner and Paymah is a fine dime corner.

Add to that the fact that we are already out a third next year. I don't care if St. Peter is in the supplemental draft, don't trade away a future decent pick when we are damn good at that spot, already overinvested and don't even have a full arsenal of picks to start out with. No.

I expect that we will see a trade of Foxworth next offseason for more draft picks. I would have expected it this offseason but the D Will death changed a lot of plans that Dove Valley might of being toying with.

[Killericon]

If we can do it for a 4th, run with it. If not, then don't. Corner is our strongest position.

[dark_hawk]

someones gonna be willing to pay way to much for him in my opinion. maybe a second but almost definately a 3rd. would be nice to have him but theres no way we should be giving up that high of a pick when we already lost the 3rd we have next year

[watermock]

someones gonna be willing to pay way to much for him in my opinion. maybe a second but almost definately a 3rd. would be nice to have him but theres no way we should be giving up that high of a pick when we already lost the 3rd we have next year

Why exactly again? Your not "giving up" dick, your taking a player in the second that likely would go in the first and is a very good cover safety. Not having a third is irrelevant. I'll take a 6 ' 205 secondary that has 4.3 speed all day long.

We need help at safety. Period. COVER SAFETY. We bulk him up to about 214 with that speed, we will be lethal in the pass happy NFL.

Do I need to remind you what team won the SB?

We need a coverage safety...especially with graybeard back there and Fox coming of a knee.

It's not giving up anything. It's called drafting a player. Gosh...why would we want a corner/safety projected late in the first round in the mid late second? Especially with the safety position in flux.

[Killericon]

Why exactly again? Your not "giving up" dick, your taking a player in the second that likely would go in the first and is a very good cover safety. Not having a third is irrelevant. I'll take a 6 ' 205 secondary that has 4.3 speed all day long.

We need help at safety. Period. COVER SAFETY. We bulk him up to about 214 with that speed, we will be lethal in the pass happy NFL.

Do I need to remind you what team won the SB?

We need a coverage safety...especially with graybeard back there and Fox coming of a knee.

It's not giving up anything. It's called drafting a player. Gosh...why would we want a corner/safety projected late in the first round in the mid late second? Especially with the safety position in flux.

He's projected as a safety?!?

Okay, I retract what I said earlier. Let's bid our 2nd rounder.

[watermock]

He's played both corner and safety from what I remember reading. The fact is we need a cover safety. 6 foot 205 is big enough for a cover safety. Especially if he cranks out a 4.3.

[Requiem]

As a Bulldogs fan behind my Seminoles and Wolverines, I've been able to see Oliver play. He's good, really good and I'd invest a high selection in him, he's a versatile guy, but I think his true calling is as a corner in the NFL. However, SoCal makes a good point about the position already. . . (cornerback) we have a lot of money invested there.

[skmoser]

Anything new on this topic?
This guy is supposed to be really good......can we pick him up still?

[elsid13]

Anything new on this topic?
This guy is supposed to be really good......can we pick him up still?

the supplementary draft hasn't happened yet.

[Broncoman13]

SoCal, you're point is even more reason to draft Oliver in the Supp. Foxworth and Paymah are both nearing the end fo their rookie contracts. So, you're going to either have to pay even more money to keep them (especially with Fox) or lose them via FA. You know this as well as anybody, you bring in fresh rookies at these positions to offset the cost of the higher priced vets. Add in the simple facts that we've been killed with injuries in our secondary for years now and I think you have to consider him. I'm sure you remember the injuries that range from Champ Bailey to Lenny Walls and cover everybody in between.

Sorry bud, I normally agree with you, but I think a CB that is a first round talent is worth a 2nd round pick... in next year's draft.

[elsid13]

SoCal, you're point is even more reason to draft Oliver in the Supp. Foxworth and Paymah are both nearing the end fo their rookie contracts. So, you're going to either have to pay even more money to keep them (especially with Fox) or lose them via FA. You know this as well as anybody, you bring in fresh rookies at these positions to offset the cost of the higher priced vets. Add in the simple facts that we've been killed with injuries in our secondary for years now and I think you have to consider him. I'm sure you remember the injuries that range from Champ Bailey to Lenny Walls and cover everybody in between.

Sorry bud, I normally agree with you, but I think a CB that is a first round talent is worth a 2nd round pick... in next year's draft.

Foxworth will be RFA after this season, Paymah has another year on his deal before he will become RFA. The challenge is what the FO wants to do with Foxworth. Ideal I would trade him after the season and go after Cason in the draft.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Foxworth and Paymah were drafted the same year, they are both RFAs at the end of this season.

[SoCalBronco]

SoCal, you're point is even more reason to draft Oliver in the Supp. Foxworth and Paymah are both nearing the end fo their rookie contracts. So, you're going to either have to pay even more money to keep them (especially with Fox) or lose them via FA. You know this as well as anybody, you bring in fresh rookies at these positions to offset the cost of the higher priced vets. Add in the simple facts that we've been killed with injuries in our secondary for years now and I think you have to consider him. I'm sure you remember the injuries that range from Champ Bailey to Lenny Walls and cover everybody in between.

Sorry bud, I normally agree with you, but I think a CB that is a first round talent is worth a 2nd round pick... in next year's draft.

I do not understand your argument here, bro.Remember, we just made a major investment in Bly, something to the tune of 16m in guaranteed money ALONE. The total deal is prolly in the 30s somewhere. Its safe to say that he WILL be the starter for the forseeable future at least (i.e. 3 years). So if we were to draft Oliver, something has to give. If he is a stud corner and beats out Bly, we have now just wasted alot of money for nothing. If he does not beat out Bly, we have now burned a high pick (prolly would need to use a 2nd to get him in the Supp Draft) for a nickel corner, when we already had a very fine nickel corner in Foxworth, who was making pennies (and who also is future defensive captain material in addition to being future starting material, IMO). It makes no sense either way, and its poor strategic planning by the organization to overinvest in one position because we will be forced to starve other positions in the future. We did this at LB not too long ago, and among the reasons that we had to let Al go was money. You saw the result the last few years when nothing was put in on the line and everything at backer. We put alot of resources in at LB and starved the DL until just last month. We have now started to make this mistake again at the cornerback position, and now we want to make the problem there even more acute by investing another big resource? Give me a break. We are stronger than ever at corner.

Here's another thing. We are also out a 3rd already next year. You want to go into next year's Day One with just our First Round pick? That would be a crisis of biblical proportions. We will probably have at least a few major needs next year, the foremost of which being safety, probably also Sam and maybe Will and that is just on one side of the ball. You want to go to 08 with a single first on day 1 just so that we can have ANOTHER corner? That would be a monumental joke.

As Herc noted, right now Paymah and Fox are going to be RFA after next year. Fine. We can resign Fox. We dont have to keep both. Just one, whichever Bates prefers for his scheme, I like Fox better, but who knows, maybe because he is better at press man, Paymah will be preferred by Bates, I don't really know. What I do feel reasonably confident in, is the proposition that we will be able to resign one of them to be our nickel corner with the inside track of being the starter in 2 years after Bly is gone. It's that simple.

[Broncoman13]

You're saying all of the things that I'm thinking. Foxworth is a future starter, future team captain, etc. It's not going to be with us though. That is my fear. He's going to finish next season and say, I want to be a starter and I'm going to go where I can get a pay day and be a starter. So what do you do, you bring in young talent that can replace him when he leaves. For 2007-2008 Oliver doesn't make a ton of sense... that I agree with. For 2008 and beyond he is great insurance and a fantastic negotiating chip when it comes time to look at Foxworth and Paymah's deals. One of the things you like best about Foxworth is his cap #. Oliver's wouldn't be much different. After this season Foxworth's cap # is going to be much different. You also have to decide whether you want to keep Foxworth or Paymah. Paymah will probably stay b/c he'll be the cheaper option. I have serious doubts about Foxworth wanting to stay. Especially after what has transpired this offseason. First, he was told he'd be the starter. Then he's told that we're bringing in Dre Bly, but still told he'll have that "chance" to be the 2nd guy. I know Shanny is committed to playing the best man... but do you think there is a chance in hell that he'd sit a guy with $17 mil in bonuses. How do you answer to the boss on that one? He can't. Anyhow, I bet Foxworth is pretty put off right about now. That's the nature of the NFL though look at Plummer last year.

So, my point is you bring in Oliver (w/that 2nd like you mentioned) and have him learn for a year. Hell, he might even bump Paymah as our 4th corner. At the very least, he's fantastic depth. Then, in 2008 when either Paymah or Foxworth leave town (again, IMO it will be Fox) you'll have somebody to take over that 3rd CB position. You know as well as I do that 3rd CB position is incredibly important. I feel comfortable with Fox in it. I don't feel comfortable wondering whether Fox will be in it after this season.

[Broncoman13]

As Herc noted, right now Paymah and Fox are going to be RFA after next year. Fine. We can resign Fox. We dont have to keep both. Just one, whichever Bates prefers for his scheme, I like Fox better, but who knows, maybe because he is better at press man, Paymah will be preferred by Bates, I don't really know. What I do feel reasonably confident in, is the proposition that we will be able to resign one of them to be our nickel corner with the inside track of being the starter in 2 years after Bly is gone. It's that simple.

You realize by doing this that we lock up more $ in the position thus making the CB position even more unbalanced. Foxworth is going to require atleast a 2nd or 3rd round tender. I wouldn't be suprised if we gave him a first round tender. So, he'll sign for 2.1 or so and we'll have him for another year at best. Then what? If a team is dangling a 4 year 20 mil contract in front of him we're screwed!

I agree that going into next year's draft with only a first would be bad for us. I agree that we're going to need safety help. I also agree that it's quite possible we'll need help at the Will and Sam. It's risky either way. Forget about Oliver, miss out on a top CB talent and plan to draft a safety and LB in next year's draft... only to see nobody available... or use that 2nd on Oliver and have a top notch Safety or LB available in the 2nd next year that we miss out on.

[SoCalBronco]

You're saying all of the things that I'm thinking. Foxworth is a future starter, future team captain, etc. It's not going to be with us though. That is my fear. He's going to finish next season and say, I want to be a starter and I'm going to go where I can get a pay day and be a starter. So what do you do, you bring in young talent that can replace him when he leaves. For 2007-2008 Oliver doesn't make a ton of sense... that I agree with. For 2008 and beyond he is great insurance and a fantastic negotiating chip when it comes time to look at Foxworth and Paymah's deals.

One of the things you like best about Foxworth is his cap #. Oliver's wouldn't be much different. After this season Foxworth's cap # is going to be much different. You also have to decide whether you want to keep Foxworth or Paymah. Paymah will probably stay b/c he'll be the cheaper option. I have serious doubts about Foxworth wanting to stay. Especially after what has transpired this offseason. First, he was told he'd be the starter. Then he's told that we're bringing in Dre Bly, but still told he'll have that "chance" to be the 2nd guy. I know Shanny is committed to playing the best man... but do you think there is a chance in hell that he'd sit a guy with $17 mil in bonuses. How do you answer to the boss on that one? He can't. Anyhow, I bet Foxworth is pretty put off right about now. That's the nature of the NFL though look at Plummer last year.

So, my point is you bring in Oliver (w/that 2nd like you mentioned) and have him learn for a year. Hell, he might even bump Paymah as our 4th corner. At the very least, he's fantastic depth. Then, in 2008 when either Paymah or Foxworth leave town (again, IMO it will be Fox) you'll have somebody to take over that 3rd CB position. You know as well as I do that 3rd CB position is incredibly important. I feel comfortable with Fox in it. I don't feel comfortable wondering whether Fox will be in it after this season.

When you say it would be a fantastic negotiating chip, I do not see what there would be to negotiate. At that point, you would have Oliver in the 2nd year of a long deal, and Bly also in the 2nd year of a long deal. What is there to negotiate about? You think Denver is going to pay (decent money) to THREE DIFFERENT GUYS (or perhaps depending on the circumstances 2 guys Fox and Bly, since rookie base salaries are fairly cheap as you noted) for a single position, esp. since Champ is the other corner and is also the highest paid corner on the league? There would be nothing to negotiate there. Your fear of Fox leaving is well founded. He might very well be pissed off that they just paid Bly and basically took away any real chance that he has to win the starting job. Yes, yes I know Shanny likes to say "the best man will win", but that 16m signing bonus has the effect of loading the dice. If Foxworth is going to be the starter, he will have to absolutely destroy Bly in the competition, he can't simply win a close race, not with that huge investment. Im sorry, I don't believe it. If its anywhere close, Bly wins. So if he is upset, dont you think if we brought in Oliver he would be EVEN MORE PISSED? There would be nothing to negotiate about, there would be no reason for "bargaining chips", he wouldnt even consider Denver because it would be a horrible situation for him. He wouldnt even consider it. You are afraid of Fox leaving but ironically if you go get this guy it GUARANTEES that Fox will leave.

We don't need to be locking in our future here. That's what will happen, it will lock it in with no flexibility. If we did not draft Oliver and Fox left anyway, we would still have Paymah and he has been improving, I dont think it would be too bad if he were at Nickel. Mind you, not immediately ofcourse, but rather in 2 years, since Fox is a RFA after this year, so in all likelihood, if we were to slap him with the highest tender, no one would touch him and he would play another year, meanwhile, you slap Paymah with the third round tender and he also plays here another year. At that point, 2 years into the future, Bly's time would be starting to run out (remember he is already 30 right now and prolly once we get into the latter stages of his contract from year 3 on or so, the base salaries will prolly start getting high...too high for a 32,33 year old). So if we were just to stick with our guns that would be at the point where Fox is an UFA and then we can resign him, dump Bly as his skills would be starting to erode, and Fox can be the man as the starter. If we look at it this way, there is no need to get Oliver at all, he would just complicate this mess.
We can still keep Fox for a minimum of 2 more seasons and then he can be the man. If that is your goal, Oliver would just ruin it.

And what about the other arguments? You know we arent going to go out and rape everyone and dominate the whole league next year. We are on the right path right now, but we are not there yet, there are problems there and major question marks that may/will turn into problems, you cant go into next offseason with just your first rounder on day 1.

[Broncoman13]

And what about the other arguments? You know we arent going to go out and rape everyone and dominate the whole league next year. We are on the right path right now, but we are not there yet, there are problems there and major question marks that may/will turn into problems, you cant go into next offseason with just your first rounder on day 1.

Going into the draft next year with only 1 first day draft pick and 2 or more holes (Safety and Sam) is the biggest problem with this scenario. To spin everything you just said, your gambling that Foxworth would be willing to wait another 2 or 3 seasons for a chance at starting and the big pay day. You realize, just like everybody else, that neither Mike Bell nor Dominique Foxworth are going to start this year... shy of an injury or a lights out performance and then somebody will have to answer to Mr. Bowlen for having a high priced FA that isn't starting!

At any rate. I'm playing devils advocate on this. I think we have a spot for Oliver and I know his value in the 2nd round is head and shoulders better than anything we'll see in next year's draft... however, as you've been saying, it's not close to being the biggest need of this team. In fact, I'd put it behind Safeties, Linebackers, and Wide Receivers. It's really too bad. Somebody (probably Jax) is going to steal a great player in the supplemental. This isn't a problem child type player. He's a phenomenal athlete that plays one of the toughest positions on the field...and he plays it well. I wouldn't be heart broken if we spent a 2 on him in the supp. But, I won't be disappointed if Denver doesnn't call his number. I will say this. I'll be plenty pissed of if KC ends up with him. Hopefully he'll go to an NFC team. I wouldn't be suprised if Jerry Jones targets him. Newman is great but Henry is somewhat suspect with a big price tag. Plus their 3rd and 4th CB's are NO BUENO!

[Killericon]

I'm confused. Is he going to be a safety or a corner?

[elsid13]

I'm confused. Is he going to be a safety or a corner?

He will be drafted as a corner.

[Killericon]

He will be drafted as a corner.

Then we should definitely pass. Maybe offer a 6th.

[Atlas]

When is the supplemental draft?

It's in June isn't it?

[dark_hawk]

When is the supplemental draft?

It's in June isn't it?

this year i wanna say its on july 10th or something like that

[bap454]

I just heard today on ESPN that oliver will probly go in the Third or Fourth.:Good bye to any dreams of us looking at him!flush:

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

If he dropped to the Broncs in the 4th, he would be a steal

[Broncos_OTM]

I dont know how much of a good idea it would be to get him. Denver has few enough roster spots. who would be cut so we could add him?

[Mediator12]

I dont know how much of a good idea it would be to get him. Denver has few enough roster spots. who would be cut so we could add him?

In today's pass happy NFL, you b etter have four solid CB's and a decent fifth one. Usually, that means you have three young CB's on your team with salary cap restrictions. Oliver as a fifth CB this year would be awesome. I really think Paymah will be very good in this scheme, better than people think or oliver could be fourth.

Remember when DEN got KO'd in INDY in the playoffs? Both years, two members of the starting Secondary missed that game with injuries. Having the likes of Roc Alexander playing in the playoffs versus Manning is NOT a good idea.

[elsid13]

if he goes in the 3rd or 4th round that **** load of money he losing

[ward63]

I wish Plummer would come back (I know I'm not suppose to mention him anymore) so if this kid does fall to the 4th, Denver could use their 4th on him and still have 2 4ths next year.

[Broncos_OTM]

In today's pass happy NFL, you b etter have four solid CB's and a decent fifth one. Usually, that means you have three young CB's on your team with salary cap restrictions. Oliver as a fifth CB this year would be awesome. I really think Paymah will be very good in this scheme, better than people think or oliver could be fourth.

Remember when DEN got KO'd in INDY in the playoffs? Both years, two members of the starting Secondary missed that game with injuries. Having the likes of Roc Alexander playing in the playoffs versus Manning is NOT a good idea.
Sorry man i had a brain fart i thought for some reason we were talking about Jared Gaither, Maryland

What is the word on him anyhow?


And yes i wouldnt mind adding oliver Bly is getting up there in years. and if he can play like it is talked about he defiently would be a great addition