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SoCalBronco
05-19-2007, 03:18 AM
Rookies catch breath with Broncos
Thomas, Moss, Crowder get taste of NFL at Broncos minicamp
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Marcus Thomas impressed Broncos assistant Jim Bates with his play last season.STORY TOOLS
By Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News
May 18, 2007
Getting yelled at never sounded so sweet to Marcus Thomas.
That's because during the past three days, the Broncos rookie defensive tackle already has matched his entire official on-field workload since October.

"I'm enjoying every bit of it," he said at the conclusion of the passing camp session Friday.

Expelled from the University of Florida for good after a game against the University of Georgia for off-field conduct, he nevertheless managed to play in a bowl game. The little-known Texas vs. the Nation Bowl conducted three practices and a walk-through. But it was a far cry from the buildup to the national championship game he'd miss.

"I got a ring," he said, referring to the spoils earned by the Nation squad's 24-20 victory Feb. 2. "Not the one I wanted. But it's big. It's really nice."

Nicer still is the second chance afforded him by the Broncos, who picked him in the fourth round. And Thomas' rare combination of size, strength and speed gives him a legitimate opportunity to log significant playing time.

But first things first - like learning a proper stance. Oh, and catching his breath, too.

"I already knew I was going to be rusty," he said. "But I feel like I'm coming along from the first day to (Friday). There's a complete difference. I'm just trying to get used to it all again, keep my head up and use my hands more. The coaches are staying on me, trying to get me right and get back into the momentum of playing football again. I'm going to get back to where I was."

The biggest shocker at first was adjusting to the speed of the pro game, particularly after his long layoff.

"I mean, these Broncos linemen are real fast," he said.

Denver hopes Thomas is just as quick a study, because chances are, it will be counting on him soon.

"Hopefully," defensive line coach Bill Johnson said. "He's an impact player."

That was the case when Jim Bates first laid eyes on Thomas.

Bates, Denver's top defensive assistant and a University of Tennessee graduate, attended his alma mater's game against Florida last season, not having any idea who Thomas was.

That knowledge gap quickly became filled.

"After the game I knew who '44' was," said Bates, referring to the defensive tackle's college number. "Because he was all over the field."

Thomas also has been all over the headlines, which is why he slipped so far on draft day and was playing in the Texas-Nation bowl. Two positive tests for marijuana and violation of team rules were at the heart of Thomas' troubles.

But Johnson said that as an organization, the Broncos felt Thomas had paid his price.

As a college player, "he's a guy who affected games," Johnson said. And now that he's with the Broncos, "We're going to work our tails off to build a great relationship with him and bring him through this program."

Right now, it's Thomas and the other two defensive-line draft picks, first-rounder Jarvis Moss and second-rounder Tim Crowder, doing the backbreaking work.

Moss, Thomas' college teammate, struggled with the altitude in his first practice Wednesday.

"I tapped out and didn't make it through the workout. But these past couple of days, I've been getting adjusted to it and it has gotten easier," Moss said.

Yet the toughest part has been learning new terminology when it comes to the playbook.

"I feel like a freshman all over again," he said.

It's no wonder Crowder already was looking forward to a weekend off, but not before engaging some of his new teammates in a game of dominoes. He already was boasting that he was probably the best player on the team in that realm.

And if he loses, having not even been signed his rookie contract, the former University of Texas star already had a plan.

"I'll just have to give them an I.O.U," he said with a smile.

Their on-field performances can be explained in much the same fashion. They're giving the Broncos what they can now, but the best is likely yet to come. The team's banking on it.

"Before you put together a swing set, you have to the directions, pieces and parts out," Johnson said of his early work with the rookies. "That's what we're doing. We're just laying the parts out, as far as concepts are concerned, the effort, knowledge and fundamentals it takes."

But mix in a few veteran leaders along the front four and let the fun and games begin.

Because as Johnson put it, "The one thing I do feel good about is we do have a good swing set."

Rating the rookie linemen

Broncos defensive line coach Bill Johnson offered his views on the three new draft picks along the team's front:

• Jarvis Moss, DE, Florida (first round, 17th overall): "Moss is athletic ability, range and production. If you go back and look at their (the Gators') championship game, he set the tone with a big play on their quarterback early in the game, and as you watched him, he was a productive player. You look at his frame, he had some injuries that kept him back, but he has a chance to get bigger so there's some upside there. And any time you can get a 6-foot-6 guy who can run and keep his hips down, it's a good deal."

• Tim Crowder, DE, Texas (second round, 56th overall): "The thing that stood out to me with him is, he's a fundamentally sound, good athlete. And he came into camp these three days, it's proved that."

• Marcus Thomas, DT, Florida (fourth round, 121st overall): "He had some problems - and those are well-documented - but we felt as an organization he had been punished. He's such a good football player, and if he didn't get a chance here, he'd have a life sentence. And I don't think he's ready for a life sentence."



rasizerl@RockyMountainNews.com

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_5545234,00.html

Play2win
05-19-2007, 03:28 AM
I think we hit the jackpot with these three picks!!!

maven
05-19-2007, 04:14 AM
Good read. Fluff pieces are better read than a debate about global warming.

dragondawg
05-19-2007, 04:29 AM
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</TD><!-- End Tool Box --></TR><TR><!-- Begin Body Copy --><TD class=article vAlign=top width=333>DENVER (AP) -No one at Broncos headquarters was happier following the draft than Bill Johnson, Denver's new defensive line coach.

And nobody was hoarser Friday following the team's first week of passing camp, either.

The Broncos used three of their four draft picks on defensive linemen, taking Florida teammates Jarvis Moss and Marcus Thomas and Texas end Tim Crowder.

``When we drafted these young guys it was just like being a kid at Christmas,'' said Johnson, who joined Mike Shanahan's staff this offseason after six years coaching Atlanta's defensive line. ``They have energy and they're eager to learn.''

The Broncos, determined to get a better pass rush so that the defense can get off the field faster and give second-year quarterback Jay Cutler more time to do his thing, selected Moss with the 17th overall pick, added Crowder in the second round and picked up Thomas in the fourth.

They got their first taste of the NFL (http://javascript<b></b>:NewWindow(450,300,'https://www.nytrngsecure.com/gs/subscription/index.htm');) this week.

``The thing I love about all three of these rookies is their work ethic and the bright eyes they have to come in and to learn,'' Johnson said.

Of course, the downside of having so many fresh legs on the line is having so many fresh faces.

``They are like the usual rookies,'' Johnson said. ``This is the NFL (http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=wiki&template=wiki&text=National_Football_League) and the speed of the game is fast for them. All three players were solid. It looks like they will be three good guys for us.''

The three quickly saw for themselves how they have to do everything better at this level.

``I've been playing football for a long time, but it's just a different language,'' Moss said of learning the complex terminology. ``It's like being a freshman all over again.''

Gainesville, though, seemed like a million miles away from Denver.

``I thought I'd go out there and it would be like college again. But these boys are a little bit quicker and stronger,'' Thomas said. ``When I saw there would be no pads on, I thought it would be a little walkthrough. But this is like having pads on. It is really intense.''

Thomas and Crowder both said they got yelled at by the coaching staff the very first time they crouched.

``Gerard Warren and a couple of the older players were helping me out, trying to get my stance right, that funky college stance, and (turn it) into a pro stance,'' Thomas said. ``I'm trying to get used to that.''

It's back to the basics, from stances to technique.

And this trio is learning that everything has to be better here - even their rhythm.

``I had to dance the first day. They weren't impressed with the dance,'' said Moss, who bombed when he was called out in front of the team to showcase his skills during warmups.

``It's something that I'll work on in case they call me out again.''

Adding to the adjustment is Denver's mile-high air.

``The first day was real tough on me,'' Moss said. ``I tapped out and didn't make it through the workout. But these past couple of days I've been getting adjusted to it and it has gotten easier.''

The rookies are toeing the line between showing deference to the veteran teammates who are helping them adjust to the world of professional football and showcasing their skills for their coaches so that they can take playing time away from those teammates as soon as possible.

Moss walked off the practice field with an armful of his teammates' helmets, the NFL (http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=wiki&template=wiki&text=National_Football_League)'s version of rookie hazing.

``Not really a big deal,'' he said. ``I'm glad to be here and be a part of this.''


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watermock
05-19-2007, 05:49 AM
Your working with the big boys now Jarvis. Go buy me a diet Coke Marcus...Timmay...act like you don't belong in a wheelchair.

The thing all rookies have to realize is they are dealing with 70 other "Big Men on Campus". NFL players were all stars in college for the most part. I doubt the hazing is anything close to the old days.

"mock gets out his storybook"....My ex-wife's father recently passed to cancer...he talked about the Navy when you crossed the equator. I can't testify he was full of BS, but being "Scallywaged" when you weht into the Southern Hemisphere involved being pulled by a rope under and then back up the stern of the ship.

Let me set something straight about George...he was an asshole but he served in an era long passed. I'm just rcounting what he told me. The old bird actually ran steam locomotives. I have no clue how many million miles he must of logged.

I can't remember the term for going south of the equator. Some Navy guy coulk likely halp me. I'll take this chance to thank all who have served or are serving as well.

Vladimir
05-19-2007, 06:46 AM
Nice thanks for posting this.

Man-Goblin
05-19-2007, 09:59 AM
"Before you put together a swing set, you have to the directions, pieces and parts out," Johnson said of his early work with the rookies. "That's what we're doing. We're just laying the parts out, as far as concepts are concerned, the effort, knowledge and fundamentals it takes."

I thought he'd go with a swingset analogy there, and wham! he did.

-Slap-
05-19-2007, 10:03 AM
Kind of disppointing to see Moss' conditioning was so poor he couldn't make it through Wednesday's practice.

Inkana7
05-19-2007, 12:01 PM
Kind of disppointing to see Moss' conditioning was so poor he couldn't make it through Wednesday's practice.

He comes from florida which is below sea level in parts, to Denver, which is, beleive it or not, a Mile above sea level. It was his first time practicing in the thin air. Give the kid a break.

-Slap-
05-19-2007, 03:51 PM
He comes from florida which is below sea level in parts, to Denver, which is, beleive it or not, a Mile above sea level. It was his first time practicing in the thin air. Give the kid a break.

I don't care if he hails from the center of the Earth. The rest of his teammates sucked it up and finished the job.

brncs_fan
05-19-2007, 04:20 PM
I don't care if he hails from the center of the Earth. The rest of his teammates sucked it up and finished the job.

Hopefully he was winded because he has spent so much time in the weightroom that he has let his conditioning slip a little. Once he has finished adding another 15 lbs or so he will go back to having a bigger cardio routine.

watermock
05-19-2007, 04:24 PM
Most amusing is we are talking about QB camp! LOL...Noone is better at bending the rules like Shanny. Other teams are all having minicamps except ironicaly, Houston.

Broncoman13
05-19-2007, 04:41 PM
Slap, I took a bike ride with the baby in the trailer yesterday. I used to do 3-5 miles easily in Amarillo with her in tow. Yesterday, I went around the block and I felt like walking the bike the last 300 yards... my pride wouldn't allow it though! lol Of course Amarillo is pretty flat and about 3000 ft lower than Castle Rock, and not nearly as hilly either... but that ride kicked my ASS! LMAO. My legs are sore just thinking about it. I'm sure you know exactly what the altitude does and I've actually gotten pretty accustomed to it, but the difference is greater than I remember.

What I don't understand, why the Broncos aren't easily the best conditioned team in the NFL. Tito Ortiz is a perfect example of an athlete going to high altitude to train so that at lower altitudes he's a monster. Another example would be the Olymic Athletes training in Colorado Springs. You would think our players would be atleast a bit better conditioned than the rest of the league.

-Slap-
05-19-2007, 05:05 PM
Yesterday, I went around the block and I felt like walking the bike the last 300 yards... my pride wouldn't allow it though!

Your pride wouldn't let you quit.

I was thinking maybe a 22 year old professional athlete, in front of a group of his peers, would have that mentality, too.

Swedish Extrovert
05-19-2007, 05:25 PM
I think this pick has a ton of potential.

I think Shanny needs to light a fire under this guy's ass and make him hate life.

watermock
05-19-2007, 05:42 PM
Hopefully Jarvis now knows he's no longer big man on campus. Take him up to Berthoud Pass for some work.

Kaylore
05-19-2007, 08:19 PM
I don't care if he hails from the center of the Earth. The rest of his teammates sucked it up and finished the job.

Yeah, Marcus Thomas is heavier and more out of practice than Moss coming from the same sea-level atmosphere and me managed to finish. Hopefully it's not a sign of laziness.

footstepsfrom#27
05-19-2007, 09:05 PM
I'm thinking Moss has some lingering effects from his health issues related to the infection. Has anybody said this is all in the rear view mirror or is it something he's still dealing with? I certainy hope not.

Dedhed
05-20-2007, 12:05 AM
Meh, rookies league wide are sitting out a drill or rep to catch their breath.