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Clockwork Orange
05-15-2007, 05:14 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=schoenfield/070515&sportCat=nba

Congrats, Dirk. Your team may have bombed in the playoffs, following one of the greatest regular seasons ever, but you did capture your first MVP award.

Yes, the voting was conducted before Dallas flamed out against Golden State, and, sure, Nowitzki was the best player on the team that won the most games, but his was hardly a spectacular season: He averaged 24.6 points (only the fourth-best total of his career) and 8.9 rebounds (sixth-best total of his career). Statistically, it was just an average year for him, and that's without mentioning how Steve Nash outplayed him in Phoenix's two wins in the "MVP showdown" games on March 14 and April 1. (Dirk shot a combined 17-for-46 in those two games.)

(It should be noted that Dirk did rate No. 2 in John Hollinger's Player Efficiency Rating (PER), behind only Dwyane Wade, who missed 31 games.)

Still, Dirk as MVP? Sounds pretty lame.

Which got us to thinking of a list -- the lamest MVPs ever.

Justin Morneau, Minnesota Twins, 2006 AL MVP
A first baseman who hits 34 home runs with a .375 OBP and .559 slugging percentage is about as historic as Ricky Williams testing positive for marijuana. The only MVPs since 1990 with lower slugging percentages were two shortstops (Miguel Tejada and Barry Larkin), a Gold Glove leadoff hitter (Ichiro Suzuki) and a Gold Glove third baseman (Terry Pendleton). Pendleton's .517 slugging percentage, however, actually ranked third in the NL -- Morneau's .559 ranked just sixth in the AL. But the lamest thing about Morneau's win is he was only the third-best player on his own team, behind Joe Mauer and Johan Santana.

Steve McNair, Tennessee Titans, 2003 NFL MVP (tied with Peyton Manning)
The Colts and Titans both finished 12-4, and McNair had some nice numbers: 3,215 yards, 24 TDs, only seven picks. But he also missed two games (the Titans won both games anyway). Manning, meanwhile, had more than 4,200 yards passing and a 29-10 TD-INT ratio. Most notable perhaps, however: The Titans lost twice to Manning's Colts.

Juan Gonzalez, Texas Rangers, 1996 AL MVP
Juan Gonzalez … two-time MVP. Double lame. Anyway, Gonzalez was an RBI machine in 1996, with 144 in 134 games. He edged Alex Rodriguez in the vote, 290 points to 287. A-Rod had a line of .358/.414/.631, with 123 RBIs and 141 runs. Gonzalez had a line of .314/.368/.643 with 144 RBIs … but only 89 runs scored. Factor in that one guy could run and played a good shortstop and the other guy was a marginal right fielder, and it's unthinkable the voters failed to reward one of the great shortstop seasons of all time.

Charles Barkley, Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA MVP
Hey, we all love Charles, but this was one of those bandwagon things that got out of control. The Suns acquired Barkley in an offseason trade and improved from 53 wins to 62 wins as Barkley averaged 25.6 points, 12.2 rebounds and 5.1 assists. But we all know how the voting really shook down: Voters didn't want to give the award to Jordan every year (he averaged 32.6/6.7/5.5). So while Barkley won with just the fourth-highest PER of his career, MJ put on a clinic for his detractors with a devastating playoff run: He averaged 35.1 points in 19 playoff games as the Bulls beat the Suns in the Finals.

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers, 1990 NFL MVP
Sure, the Niners went 14-2, but the defense (second in the NFL in points allowed) had as much to do with that as the offense. Montana had a pedestrian year for him -- 26 TDs, but 16 INTs. A better choice would have been the spectacular Randall Cunningham (30 TDs, 13 INTs, plus 942 yards rushing and a higher QB rating than Montana), who carried a miserable Eagles team into the playoffs, or even Niners teammate Jerry Rice (100 catches, 1,502 yards, 13 TDs).

Andre Dawson, Chicago Cubs, 1987 NL MVP
Dawson led the NL with 49 homers and 137 RBIs -- while playing for a last-place team. That's lame enough, but Dawson really wasn't even one of the top 10 players in the NL that year: His OBP was .328, which was only league average. He was only sixth in slugging, 10th in OPS and not even in the top 10 in batting average or runs. Just a total brain fart by the baseball writers. (The AL selection that year, George Bell over Alan Trammell, wasn't much more inspired.) Cardinals teammates Ozzie Smith and Jack Clark finished second and third in the voting.

Mark Moseley, Washington Redskins, 1982 NFL MVP
You know why nobody cares much about the NFL MVP vote? Because a kicker won it! The hands-down lamest MVP of any sport, any year, and it's not even debatable. Fine, the Redskins went 8-1 and Moseley made 20 of 21 field goals (he missed three extra points). He was second in the NFL in scoring. Still, there had to be, oh, 100 players more valuable than him. Or maybe 200. This is what happens when you give out awards in strike-shortened seasons.

Dave Cowens, Boston Celtics, 1973 NBA MVP
Cowens won the award in a Dirk-like circumstance: The Celtics went 68-14 and Cowens had solid numbers (20.5 ppg, 16.2 rpg). But he did have lots of help (John Havlicek, Jo Jo White, Paul Silas). Only Steve Nash and Bill Walton have averaged fewer points per game among MVP winners since 1970. Kareem (30.2 ppg, 16.1 rpg) was second in the voting and Nate Archibald, who led the league in scoring and assists, was third.

Maury Wills, Los Angeles Dodgers, 1962 NL MVP
Wills did something no player had ever done before: steal 104 bases. Unfortunately, that deluded the voters into thinking he was a better player than Willie Mays. It's kind of like saying Juan Pierre is more valuable than Travis Hafner because he steals more bases; well, minus the fact that Mays was the greatest center fielder ever and Hafner is a slug. Anyway, not only did the Giants win the pennant in a tiebreaker over the Dodgers, but Mays hit .304 with 49 HRs, 141 RBIs, a .384 OBP and a .615 slugging mark while Wills hit .299/.347/.373 with 48 RBIs.

Hank Sauer, Chicago Cubs, 1952 NL MVP
Who? Perhaps the most anonymous MVP ever in the four major sports, Sauer first reached the majors in 1941 but never received a full-time job until 1948 -- when he was 31 years old. He proceeded to hit 35, 31, 32, 30, 37, 19 and 41 home runs the next seven seasons. In 1952, he tied for the NL lead with 37 and led the circuit in RBI -- but he was a slow left fielder on a fifth-place team. The voters oddly passed up Robin Roberts (28 wins, no other pitcher had more than 18) and Jackie Robinson from the pennant-winning Dodgers (he was seventh in the voting, despite finishing in the top five in the league in batting average, runs scored, stolen bases, OBP and OPS).

OrangeShadow
05-15-2007, 05:22 PM
Justin Morneau was the hottest hitter on the hottest team down the stretch. I was perfectly ok with him getting the award last year.

TheChamp24
05-15-2007, 05:22 PM
Theres a lot of jokes in the MVP award. I think its funny how MLB is the only league to offer awards to both leagues instead of cramming it into one.

Clockwork Orange
05-15-2007, 05:24 PM
Justin Morneau was the hottest hitter on the hottest team down the stretch. I was perfectly ok with him getting the award last year.

You were just happy that Jeter didn't get it. :wiggle:

Tredici
05-15-2007, 05:25 PM
Uh Oh. Slappy won't like the inclusion of Andre Dawson...

Did you know that his rookie of year honors were shared by Adrian Dantley - NBA and Anthony Dorsett NFL?

Just a little AD trivia for ya.

Kaylore
05-15-2007, 05:31 PM
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0515/pg2_nowitzki.jpg
:)

Billy Clyde Puckett
05-15-2007, 05:35 PM
The only time I ever played fantasy football for money was in 1982 and Mark Mosely won it for me. In my book, he was the legit MVP.

RhymesayersDU
05-15-2007, 07:09 PM
It saddens me to see Charles Barkley on the list.

I understand it's hard to deny MJ the award in any given year, but man I am just a such a huge fan of CB. He was my basketball idol growing up.

I guess I'm just a homer.

OrangeShadow
05-15-2007, 07:28 PM
You were just happy that Jeter didn't get it. :wiggle:

just an added bonus CO, just an added bonus :~ohyah!:

epicSocialism4tw
05-15-2007, 07:40 PM
Congrats, Dirk. Three years of hard work were hard to deny. You deserve it.

Master___Pain
05-15-2007, 07:42 PM
Congrats, Dirk. Three years of hard work were hard to deny. You deserve it.

He deserves being one of the lamest MVP's? That's harsh on your boy

Inkana7
05-15-2007, 07:43 PM
It saddens me to see Charles Barkley on the list.

I understand it's hard to deny MJ the award in any given year, but man I am just a such a huge fan of CB. He was my basketball idol growing up.

I guess I'm just a homer.

He was your rolemodel? Funny, I didn't think he was one.

RhymesayersDU
05-15-2007, 07:43 PM
He deserves being one of the lamest MVP's?

I think it's something we can all agree on.

RhymesayersDU
05-15-2007, 07:44 PM
He was your rolemodel? Funny, I didn't think he was one.

I didn't say he was my role model. I said he was my basketball idol. I wore his shoes, always wore #34 when I played ball in high school, etc. I loved his play at PF.

epicSocialism4tw
05-15-2007, 07:53 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2871035

DALLAS -- As a teenager in Germany, Dirk Nowitzki (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3252) stayed up late to watch the NBA finals and got up early to watch All-Star games. He worked on his shot every day and came home to a room with a poster of Scottie Pippen (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=268) on the wall.
Barely 20 when he was drafted, Nowitzki wasn't sure he was ready for the NBA. Even after his rookie season, he wondered "if I had it, if I was going to make it in this league."
<!---------------------INLINE TABLE (BEGIN)---------------------><TABLE id=inlinetable cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width=265 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TH style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000" colSpan=5><CENTER>NBA Most Valuable Player Voting</CENTER></TH><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ececec" vAlign=top><TD colSpan=5>http://assets.espn.go.com/i/nba/profiles/players/65x90/3252.jpg
Nowitzki

Dirk Nowitzki ended Steve Nash's two-year reign as the NBA's Most Valuable Player and became the first European player to win the award. Tuesday's voting totals:</TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #999999" vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD colSpan=3><CENTER>Votes</CENTER></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #999999" vAlign=top><TD>Player</TD><TD>1st</TD><TD>2nd</TD><TD>3rd</TD><TD>Points</TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ececec" vAlign=top><TD>Dirk Nowitzki, Mavs </TD><TD>83 </TD><TD>39 </TD><TD>7 </TD><TD>1,138 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" vAlign=top><TD>Steve Nash, Suns </TD><TD>44 </TD><TD>74 </TD><TD>11 </TD><TD>1,013 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ececec" vAlign=top><TD>Kobe Bryant, Lakers </TD><TD>2 </TD><TD>11 </TD><TD>65 </TD><TD>521 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" vAlign=top><TD>Tim Duncan, Spurs </TD><TD>-- </TD><TD>3 </TD><TD>25 </TD><TD>286 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ececec" vAlign=top><TD>LeBron James, Cavs </TD><TD>-- </TD><TD>-- </TD><TD>11 </TD><TD>183 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" vAlign=top><TD>Tracy McGrady, Rockets </TD><TD>-- </TD><TD>2 </TD><TD>6 </TD><TD>110 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ececec" vAlign=top><TD>Chris Bosh, Raptors </TD><TD>-- </TD><TD>-- </TD><TD>3 </TD><TD>43 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" vAlign=top><TD>Gilbert Arenas, Wizards </TD><TD>-- </TD><TD>-- </TD><TD>1 </TD><TD>31 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ececec" vAlign=top><TD colSpan=5>Others receiving votes: Kevin Garnett, Wolves (7), Carlos Boozer, Jazz (7), Chauncey Billups, Pistons (4), Dwyane Wade, Heat (3), Shaquille O'Neal, Heat (3), Amare Stoudemire, Suns (2).</TD></TR></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!---------------------INLINE TABLE (END)--------------------->
"I just kept on working, kept learning, kept my confidence up as much as I could," he said.
Nowitzki smiled as he shared those memories Tuesday, standing a few feet from an NBA MVP trophy with his name etched into it.
Having long since conquered his doubts, Nowitzki put a permanent stamp on his career by winning this award -- the first for a European, for someone who didn't go to high school or college in the United States, and for a member of the Dallas Mavericks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=dal).
It also was the rare instance of the honor going to a player who couldn't get his team out of the playoffs' first round, but commissioner David Stern, Dallas coach Avery Johnson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=168) and Mavericks owner Mark Cuban did their best to keep the focus on the things Nowitzki did right this season and throughout his nine-year career.
Stern praised Nowitzki as "an iconic, elite athlete from Europe who has not only learned to play our game, he's mastered it." Cuban became emotional talking about his star player's work ethic and desire.
"You don't have to encourage him to get into the gym, he's the guy you have to lock out," Cuban said. "He's not the guy who you wonder if he cares, he's the guy who hurts so much when things don't go the way you want. That's what makes him an MVP. He's an example ... that you don't have to fit a certain role, a certain model, but if you work hard enough and care enough, anything is possible." <!-- INLINE TABLE (BEGIN) --><TABLE id=inlinetable cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width=200 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TH style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000"><CENTER>More on Dirk Nowitzki</CENTER></TH><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ececec" vAlign=top><TD width=184>http://espn.go.com/i/columnists/stein_marc_m.jpgMarc Stein joins The SportsBash on ESPN Radio to discuss his story on the selection of Dirk Nowitzki as MVP. Listen (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2871035#) http://espn.go.com/i/in.gifhttp://assets.espn.go.com/i/espnradio/05/listen.gif </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- INLINE TABLE (END) -->

About the only person dragging the mood down was Nowitzki.
"Even when I heard I was MVP, I was sad to watch all these playoff games and know that we're not a part of it," Nowitzki said. "It's heartbreaking still to me. I was trying to be positive and be really happy, but it's going to take a while for it to really sink in."
Nowitzki led the Mavericks to 67 wins, a total eclipsed by only five teams in NBA history. He was the team's top scorer (24.6 points per game) and rebounder (8.9 per game), and averaged a career-high 3.4 assists. He also was the only player in the league to shoot better than 50 percent from the field, 40 percent on 3-pointers and 90 percent on free throws.
He was listed first on 83 of the 129 ballots, garnering a total of 1,138 points, to end the two-year MVP reign of his close friend and former teammate Steve Nash (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3103) of the Phoenix Suns (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=pho).
"I'm extremely proud of him and happy for him," Nash said. "I think it's really well-deserved. Hopefully he gets a chance to enjoy it regardless of their playoff outcome, because he had a phenomenal year and he really deserves it."
Nash finished second with 1,013 points and 44 first-place votes. He could have joined Larry Bird, Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell as the only players to be named MVP in three straight years.
Kobe Bryant (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3118) of the Los Angeles Lakers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lal) got the remaining two first-place votes. San Antonio's Tim Duncan (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3173) was fourth and Cleveland's LeBron James (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3704) was fifth. <!-- INLINE TABLE (BEGIN) --><TABLE id=inlinetable cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width=200 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TH style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000" colSpan=4><CENTER>MVP Meltdowns,Last 30 Years</CENTER></TH><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ececec" vAlign=top><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #999999" width=43>Year</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #999999" width=43>Player</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #999999" width=43>Season PPG</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #999999" width=43>Playoff PPG</TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ececec" vAlign=top><TD width=43>2007 </TD><TD width=43>Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas </TD><TD width=43>24.6 </TD><TD width=43>19.7 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ececec" vAlign=top><TD width=43>1982 </TD><TD width=43>Moses Malone, Houston </TD><TD width=43>31.1 </TD><TD width=43>24.0 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ececec" vAlign=top><TD width=43>1979 </TD><TD width=43>Moses Malone, Houston </TD><TD width=43>24.8 </TD><TD width=43>24.5 </TD></TR><TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ececec" vAlign=top><TD colSpan=4> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- INLINE TABLE (END) -->

The vote was based on regular-season play, with ballots due before the playoffs started. The result might have been different, otherwise, because of how poorly Nowitzki played in Dallas' first-round elimination by Golden State, one of the biggest upsets in NBA history.
Stern dismissed the idea of Nowitzki's victory prompting a change in voting to include some or all of the playoffs. It's worth noting that five of the previous seven MVPs did not lead their team to the championship; however, it had been 25 years (Houston's Moses Malone in 1981-82) since an MVP failed to win a single playoff series.
"It happens," Stern said. "The beauty of sports is you take nothing for granted. Obviously Dirk was disappointed with the way the season ended, but he should feel quite good about his place in history for the season he led the Mavs to."
Nowitzki takes a lot of pride in how far he's come in his career. He thanked his first coach, current Warriors coach Don Nelson, for daring to "have a 7-footer dribble up the ball and shoot 3-pointers" and credited Johnson for helping round out his game during the last two years.
"Once you're at this stage, I think everything that you've put into it comes through your mind -- all the hard work, all the hours you put in," he said. "It's just very fulfilling."
Nowitzki started playing basketball when he was 13. A few years later, he began working with Holger Geschwindner, the captain of West Germany's 1972 Olympic team. Their plan to get him into the NBA was creating a 7-footer who could shoot 3s.
Once they succeeded, they kept tinkering, adding skills every year. Even after turning Nowitzki into an All-Star and now an MVP, they're still building. He leaves Wednesday for about a month of traveling, then he'll head back into the basketball laboratory.
"I still feel like there's a lot I can pick up," said Nowitzki, who turns 29 next month.
The one thing he can't change for at least a year is his growing reputation for playoff failure.
"I understand there are a lot of stars in history and present who are great players and never really won a championship. As of now, I'm in that category," Nowitzki said. "The only good thing is ... I feel like I'm in the prime of my career. Hopefully I've got a lot of great postseason runs left."

watermock
05-15-2007, 07:57 PM
The MVP is rewarded before the playoffs.

Dirk dinked in the playoffs but he is a fine player. Their coach is the one who laid a turd.

Nash has been incredible tho. Those behind the back passes to Stoddy were obscene. He's out there with stiches on his nose and Horry pulls that stunt" He's better than that.

watermock
05-15-2007, 08:02 PM
Kirk deserved it. heh

Even when I heard I was MVP, I was sad to watch all these playoff games and know that we're not a part of it," Nowitzki said. "It's heartbreaking still to me. I was trying to be positive and be really happy, but it's going to take a while for it to really sink in."

Bronco_Beerslug
05-15-2007, 08:02 PM
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0515/pg2_nowitzki.jpg
:)

LOL

Clockwork Orange
05-15-2007, 08:04 PM
Dirk dinked in the playoffs but he is a fine player. Their coach is the one who laid a turd.

Avery Johnson wasn't the one who had more turnovers than field goals in the elimination game.

epicSocialism4tw
05-15-2007, 08:07 PM
Avery Johnson wasn't the one who had more turnovers than field goals in the elimination game.

Avery got completely hosed in that series. Avery was the worst Mav in the building, in every single game.

-Slap-
05-15-2007, 08:12 PM
DALLAS -- As a teenager in Germany, Dirk Nowitzki (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3252) stayed up late to watch the NBA finals and got up early to watch All-Star games. He worked on his shot every day and came home to a room with a poster of Scottie Pippen (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=268) on the wall.

How can you grow up idolizing Scottie Pippen and not be soft mentally?

Clockwork Orange
05-15-2007, 08:14 PM
Avery got completely hosed in that series. Avery was the worst Mav in the building, in every single game.

Dirk choked, whether you want to admit it or not. Avery even had to resort to calling out Nowitzki for being a p***Y after game 4. It didn't make Avery's job any easier that his best player reverted back to the soft, passive style of player that we saw from him when Don Nelson was coaching the Mavs.

Bronco_Beerslug
05-15-2007, 08:15 PM
Avery got completely hosed in that series. Avery was the worst Mav in the building, in every single game.Of course it was the coaches fault. The Maverick players were incredibly good the whole series and would have won it if they hadn't come up against a 4th rate team.

RhymesayersDU
05-15-2007, 08:15 PM
Avery got completely hosed in that series. Avery was the worst Mav in the building, in every single game.

LOL LOL LOL

It just keeps getting better!

Rock Chalk
05-15-2007, 08:16 PM
Charles Barkley.

"DO you have any regrets" [concerning his actions of throwing a man out of a window].

"I regret we weren't on a higher floor".

That alone deserves like 20 man cards.

Clockwork Orange
05-15-2007, 08:18 PM
Of course it was the coaches fault. the Maverick players were incredibly good the whole series and would have won it if they didn't come up against a 4th rate team.

Somehow it's Avery Johnson's fault that the league MVP shot 2-13 from the field when his team's collective backs were against the wall. Sure.

He got outcoached, no question about that, but trying to pin this series on him is nothing more than Nowitzki apologists looking for someone else to throw under the bus.

-Slap-
05-15-2007, 08:30 PM
BTW, David Schoenfield, who wrote this piece, looks like Gilbert Gottfried, except uglier http://espn-att.starwave.com/i/page2/v2/columnist/schoenfield_35x48.jpg.

Not only did Andre deserve the MVP in 1987, he should have won in 1983, too.

TheChamp24
05-15-2007, 08:39 PM
I really think people didn't want Nash to win again as they felt its silly to give him another MVP. Look at those people now...
Dirk had a decent year, but good lord, give an MVP for that kind of season? lol

Tredici
05-15-2007, 08:40 PM
I think angry llame-a wants Dirk to be his Baby Daddy.

Bronco_Beerslug
05-15-2007, 08:43 PM
I think angry llame-a wants Dirk to be his Baby Daddy.
ROFL!
One gets the idea that the Yak may have some giant posters of the Dirk on the ceiling over his bed.

gunns
05-15-2007, 10:10 PM
My two lamest......when they gave it to Brett Favre as co-MVP with Barry Sanders, should have been Sanders alone. Also when they gave it to TD AND Randall Cunningham.

TheChamp24
05-15-2007, 10:13 PM
My two lamest......when they gave it to Brett Favre as co-MVP with Barry Sanders, should have been Sanders alone. Also when they gave it to TD AND Randall Cunningham.

Didn't TD get MVP while Cunningham Offensive Player of the Year?

gunns
05-15-2007, 10:20 PM
That's what I thought too, but I've seen several sites that have both listed as MVP while in other years they only have the one person. So for awhile I've thought Cunningham was too and if it is so, that's lame.

loborugger
05-16-2007, 09:40 AM
My two lamest......when they gave it to Brett Favre as co-MVP with Barry Sanders, should have been Sanders alone. Also when they gave it to TD AND Randall Cunningham.


AMEN. I am surprised it took til the 2nd page to get to that one. That was the first thing I thought of when I saw lame MVP awards.

Garcia Bronco
05-16-2007, 10:08 AM
The only real MVP gripe I have is Barry Sanders having to share the MVP with the Brett Favre.

azbroncfan
05-16-2007, 10:41 AM
Avery got completely hosed in that series. Avery was the worst Mav in the building, in every single game.

No the mavs played just like their MVP=Soft. All europeans are pretty soft in my opinion. Did you see what the Jazz did to Warriors? Isn't it time for you to show all these stats of these teams that had two long winning streaks or 67 wins. They all have something in common except the Mavs, they won the the NBA Title.

Garcia Bronco
05-16-2007, 11:05 AM
TD was a sole MVP and he won the offensive player of the year award that year. Cunningham probably won the Pepsi player of the year or some such garbage as that