Attention Mr. Johnson. Mr. Goodell would like to see you.

[Atlas]

Tank Johnson released from jail
May 13, 2007

CHICAGO (AP) -- Bears defensive tackle Tank Johnson was released from jail Sunday after spending two months behind bars for violating parole in a 2005 weapons case.

Wearing a red baseball cap and white T-shirt, Johnson walked out of Cook County Jail smiling broadly. He did not speak to reporters before getting into a sports utility vehicle and leaving.

He was released on good behavior after serving half his four-month sentence. The 25-year-old player is to have a hearing with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on Wednesday in New York and could face a multigame suspension by the league.

Johnson's jailing in March stemmed from a Dec. 14 police raid on his Gurnee home, where authorities found six unregistered firearms.

Johnson pleaded guilty last month to a misdemeanor weapons charge as part of a deal with prosecutors that kept him from serving more time in jail. He was ordered to serve 45 days, which he was able to serve concurrently with the sentence for violating his probation.

At the time of the December raid, Johnson was on probation in a November 2005 Cook County case. In that case, he pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge stemming from an arrest in which a nightclub valet reported seeing Johnson with a handgun in his SUV.

Johnson's bodyguard, Willie B. Posey, was arrested on felony drug charges after the raid on Johnson's home. Posey was shot and killed two days later during an early morning fight while he and Johnson were at a nightclub in Chicago.

The Bears suspended Johnson for one game for being at the club.

[Atlas]

How many games will he get???


I say 4 games although I think 8 like Chris Henry is warranted.

[theAPAOps5]

BOHICA Mr. Tank. I think he gets 8 games.

[Kaylore]

The guy was loaded like some kind of Columbian drug lord. I'd kick him to the curb for a year and then only let him back in if he's shown real signs of being "not crazy".

[thumpc]

I expect we'll see an odd number; 3, 5, or 7 game suspension.

[ton80]

I'm not sure what it means to have unregistered guns, but as long as it doesn't mean stolen, I don't really care. I'm a huge second amendment guy, so I never understood what the bid deal was all about. Can anyone explain to me what possessing unregistered guns means? I do know that just recently higher courts threw out Washington D.C.'s ridiculous gun laws and I believe also New York City's.

Honestly, anyone not a felon should be strongly encouraged to own a gun and encouraged to carry it on his person whenever possible.

[Atlas]

I'm not sure what it means to have unregistered guns, but as long as it doesn't mean stolen, I don't really care. I'm a huge second amendment guy, so I never understood what the bid deal was all about. Can anyone explain to me what possessing unregistered guns means? I do know that just recently higher courts threw out Washington D.C.'s ridiculous gun laws and I believe also New York City's.

Honestly, anyone not a felon should be strongly encouraged to own a gun and encouraged to carry it on his person whenever possible.

It's 100 times more likely that the gun you own will be used to kill someone you know and love than it will be used to kill for protection.

[BroncoBuff]

Unregistered guns and a probation violation? 8 games I think.

[ton80]

It's 100 times more likely that the gun you own will be used to kill someone you know and love than it will be used to kill for protection.

Take your stats and cram 'em. It's all about gun rights under the second amendment as a god given birthright. So STFU.

[Atlas]

Take your stats and cram 'em. It's all about gun rights under the second amendment as a god given birthright. So STFU.

whatever

[watermock]

never mind.

[chaz]

8 is my guess...no more and no less than 4 for sure.

[chaz]

Take your stats and cram 'em. It's all about gun rights under the second amendment as a god given birthright. So STFU.

god given?? i dont remember any burning bush giving moses a rifle!

you ignorant prick...

[Atlas]

Unregistered guns and a probation violation? 8 games I think. Who knows maybe 10 games. Since one of his friends got killed in the bar by a man with a god given right to shoot him probably.

[STBumpkin]

I'm not sure what it means to have unregistered guns, but as long as it doesn't mean stolen, I don't really care. I'm a huge second amendment guy, so I never understood what the bid deal was all about. Can anyone explain to me what possessing unregistered guns means? I do know that just recently higher courts threw out Washington D.C.'s ridiculous gun laws and I believe also New York City's.

Honestly, anyone not a felon should be strongly encouraged to own a gun and encouraged to carry it on his person whenever possible.

Unregistered guns are sold illegally as it is a requirement to register most guns before they change hands. That often means that the gun is hot to begin with. As for handguns, it also means that the cooling off period was not enforced. Most crimes are committed with unregistered guns, likely purchased from the trunk of someone's car or similarly obtained. You usually don't see 7-11's held up with someone's grandpa's antique 6 shooter or deer rifle. I always have a gun in my car (when I'm not at work as I can't have one on base) and one in my nightstand. Just feel more secure that way.

[TheDave]

Chris Henry

Arrested 4 times in 14 months on charges ranging from DUI to a weapons charge.

He pled guilty to all 4

Henry previously as suspended 4 games for violation of the NFL's substance abuse policy

Verdict: Suspended 8 games


Adam Jones

Arrested 5 times and questioned by police 10 times since being drafted

Has not been convicted of a crime... yet

Verdict: Suspended 10 games



Based on the above... 6-10 is my guess.

[TheReverend]

The guy was loaded like some kind of Columbian drug lord. I'd kick him to the curb for a year and then only let him back in if he's shown real signs of being "not crazy".

Are you sure you wouldn't play him considering you'd be a football organization giving your team the best chance to win and not a judge/police/jury?

[KillerBronco#76]

Unregistered guns are sold illegally as it is a requirement to register most guns before they change hands. That often means that the gun is hot to begin with. As for handguns, it also means that the cooling off period was not enforced. Most crimes are committed with unregistered guns, likely purchased from the trunk of someone's car or similarly obtained. You usually don't see 7-11's held up with someone's grandpa's antique 6 shooter or deer rifle. I always have a gun in my car (when I'm not at work as I can't have one on base) and one in my nightstand. Just feel more secure that way.

Im pretty sure the deal with Tank was that all the guns were bought legally in Arizona and were registered in Arizona where they were purchased. But they were not registered in Illinois. Which im pretty sure is why he was let off most of the charges. He was also caught with alot of vikoden but then again im sure plenty of NFL players have a decent stockpile of painkillers at home.

[TheDave]

Im pretty sure the deal with Tank was that all the guns were bought legally in Arizona and were registered in Arizona where they were purchased. But they were not registered in Illinois. Which im pretty sure is why he was let off most of the charges. He was also caught with alot of vikoden but then again im sure plenty of NFL players have a decent stockpile of painkillers at home.

Wonder why the nfl doesn't test for painkillers... ;)

[spdirty]

I just hope he is out when we go to Chicago

[Paladin]

This guy has character issues.....

Well regulated militia?

Whatever, dude.

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't see why he should get arrested for practicing his 2nd Amendment rights.

[Paladin]

I don't see why he should get arrested for practicing his 2nd Amdentmant rights.

Them, too.

[TheChamp24]

Take your stats and cram 'em. It's all about gun rights under the second amendment as a god given birthright. So STFU.

haha, that is classic. god given birthright? lol! ROFL!

And also, everyone should carry a gun on their person at all times? lol
People do know that most other countries, it is illegal to even have a gun and can't purchase one? They seem to be doing fine elsewhere with no guns...

[Garcia Bronco]

haha, that is classic. god given birthright? lol! ROFL!

And also, everyone should carry a gun on their person at all times? lol
People do know that most other countries, it is illegal to even have a gun and can't purchase one? They seem to be doing fine elsewhere with no guns...

Sweet...perhaps those that don't like guns should head there. Of course...the criminals will still have guns....but what ever.

[Steve Prefontaine]

I don't see why he should get arrested for practicing his 2nd Amendment rights.
Don't mix this up. He wasn't arrested for having firearms.

He was arrested because the guns were not registered and he was on probation.

[watermock]

Since he's spent 9 weeks in prison, 4 weeks is enough IMO.

[p7superfly]

I've gotta say ...

One of the funniest threads ever.

GIMME MAH DADGUM GUN.

YOU DON'T LIKE IT? GO TO HELL.

With nano-technology, maybe we could implant guns in fetuses. Then it'd be a 'human-given ... God-given right' ...

Seriously people ... this is America! Guns are fun!

Statistics are wrong. Who ever learned anything by studying statistics?

In fact, learning is wrong, period.

[Atlas]

I've gotta say ...

One of the funniest threads ever.

GIMME MAH DADGUM GUN.

YOU DON'T LIKE IT? GO TO HELL.

With nano-technology, maybe we could implant guns in fetuses. Then it'd be a 'human-given ... God-given right' ...

Seriously people ... this is America! Guns are fun!

Statistics are wrong. Who ever learned anything by studying statistics?

In fact, learning is wrong, period.

Spoken like a true card carrying member of the NRA

[spdirty]

I've gotta say ...

One of the funniest threads ever.

GIMME MAH DADGUM GUN.

YOU DON'T LIKE IT? GO TO HELL.

With nano-technology, maybe we could implant guns in fetuses. Then it'd be a 'human-given ... God-given right' ...

Seriously people ... this is America! Guns are fun!

Statistics are wrong. Who ever learned anything by studying statistics?

In fact, learning is wrong, period.


Uh huh. Please explain this to the uneducated NRA guy then.


http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55288

[listopencil]

Spoken like a true card caryying member of the NRA

You are certainly free to give up as many rights as you wish. By all means don't own a gun. While you're at it, don't vote either. That would be great.

[Atlas]

You are certainly free to give up as many rights as you wish. By all means don't own a gun. While you're at it, don't vote either. That would be great.


I own four guns. I'm just not a tabacco chewing, race car watching, Ted Nuget loving, head for the Hills, NRA card carrying member. The right to bear arms is a fact that isn't going away, but I definately wouldn't mind some stricter gun control laws and backgound checks. Owning a gun should be more of a privialliage for people that have earned it. Not what EARL ton80 said earlier. "His god given right." WTF that means.

Ted Nugent is as about as annoying as King Bush.

[Atlas]

The meeting is set.

Tank Johnson slated for meeting with Goodell

CHICAGO (AP) — Chicago Bears defensive tackle Tank Johnson could become the third player suspended by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell when they meet Wednesday, three days after Johnson was released from jail.
The meeting in New York comes two days before the Bears hold a mandatory mini-camp that Johnson is expected to attend.
Johnson served two months in the Cook County Jail for violating his probation on weapons charges. His detention stemmed from a Dec. 14 police raid on his Gurnee home, where authorities found six unregistered firearms. He already was on probation on an earlier charge.
Goodell has been cracking down on personal conduct off the field. In April, the commissioner suspended Tennessee Titans defensive back Adam "Pacman" Jones for the entire 2007 season and Chris Henry of the Cincinnati Bengals for eight games.
Johnson pleaded guilty last month to a misdemeanor weapons charge as part of a deal with prosecutors that kept him from serving more time in jail. He was ordered to serve 45 days, which he was able to serve concurrently with the sentence for violating his probation.
At the time of the December raid, Johnson was on probation in a November 2005 Cook County case. In that case, he pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge stemming from an arrest after a nightclub valet reported seeing Johnson with a handgun in his SUV.

[ton80]

Pardon the god given part of my post. Agreed. That was stupid. However the content of the rest of the post is accurate.

[Atlas]

Pardon the god given part of my post. Agreed. That was stupid. However the content of the rest of the post is accurate.

Accurate in your eyes.

[Bronx33]

Maybe the league will send a message finally?

LOL

[ton80]

Feel free to think that the purpose of the 2nd amendment is something other than to overthrow/protect oneself from the government. I would explain it to you, but I learned long ago that you don't argue with tired children, drunks, and those that don't understand the 2nd amendment.

The reason I question Tank's unregistered gun violations was to bring up how wrong it is for the government to track gun owners. The government doesn't just track gun owners, the governement criminalizes them if they fail to register their guns.

[crazyhorse]

In the near future Tank Johnson is supposed to go in front of the Commish to determine if and how much the punishment will be for his recent conviction.

Many are predicting he wont recieve even as much as Chris Henry and certainly wont see the suspension time Pacman Jones recieved.

What is the general concensus of the board as to what the punishment should be for Johnson?

To date there seems to be no formula for figuring suspension times for these players. I get the feel they are just flying by the seat of thier pants on the issue. Do any of you get the same feeling?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Feel free to think that the purpose of the 2nd amendment is something other than to overthrow/protect oneself from the government. I would explain it to you, but I learned long ago that you don't argue with tired children, drunks, and those that don't understand the 2nd amendment.

The reason I question Tank's unregistered gun violations was to bring up how wrong it is for the government to track gun owners. The government doesn't just track gun owners, the governement throws them in jail when they fail to register their guns.I hadn't heard about that. You have a link on any of those stories?

[Florida_Bronco]

I never did hear the full story about what he did, but I know Illinois is not a place you want to be if you are a firearm owner.

[Florida_Bronco]

What exactly did he do? I know it was something involving firearms but never heard the whole story.

[crazyhorse]

What exactly did he do? I know it was something involving firearms but never heard the whole story.

He was convicted of having several illegal guns. Why they were illegal I'm not certain. But I do believe that some were not registered. However, I think it was a repeat offense. He's been in trouble before.

Someone else my be able to give the particulars.

[theAPAOps5]

He had unregistered fire arms and that was a violation of his parole from another case. So he went to jail for 120 days but it was cut in half for good behavior. He just go released. He also had some issues at a Night Club and one of his body guards caused some rucus. In my opinion he has to be suspended at or above Pacman Jones b/c he has actually been convicted of violating parole and did jail time. Pacman hasn't had any conviction.

[crazyhorse]

He had unregistered fire arms and that was a violation of his parole from another case. So he went to jail for 120 days but it was cut in half for good behavior. He just go released. He also had some issues at a Night Club and one of his body guards caused some rucus. In my opinion he has to be suspended at or above Pacman Jones b/c he has actually been convicted of violating parole and did jail time. Pacman hasn't had any conviction.

I am of the opinion that Pacmans punishment was too severe. I can understand making a statement. But the statement the league made has set a precident that will make it difficult to regulate a reasonable scale/formula of punishment in the future.

[theAPAOps5]

I am of the opinion that Pacmans punishment was too severe. I can understand making a statement. But the statement the league made has set a precident that will make it difficult to regulate a reasonable scale/formula of punishment in the future.

I agree based on the ramifications of this suspension. I believe Pacman did some stuff and hung around with some shaddy people but he hasn't been convicted by the court of law. So his suspension is premature and reactionary. Things tend to get out of hand when you operate in a reactionary manner rather than a prevenative or rational manner.

[Beantown Bronco]

I think Pacman's suspension had as much to do with his recent track record than this one, most recent event. He's been arrested multiple times in the past year and this recent event was just the final straw.

[ton80]

I hadn't heard about that. You have a link on any of those stories?

Every article i've read regarding Tank Johnson mentions that he broke the law by possessing unregistered guns. Last I knew, when you break the law you go to jail.

[rbackfactory80]

Kick him out of the league for good.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Every article i've read regarding Tank Johnson mentions that he broke the law by possessing unregistered guns. Last I knew, when you break the law you go to jail.
Johnson was jailed for probation violations but you said... "The government doesn't just track gun owners, the governement throws them in jail when they fail to register their guns."

I'm trying to figure out where you got that from. Do actually know someone this happened to?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

BTW, here are the Illinois state gun laws...




ILLINOIS STATE LAWS - Click On Law Below For Details <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="4" width="100%"><tbody><tr bgcolor="#e6e6e6"> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Anti-Trafficking (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#traffick)
Is there a one-handgun-per-month limit on gun sales?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> No
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Assault Weapons (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#aw)
Are there limitations on assault weapons and magazines?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> No
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#e6e6e6"> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Attorney General Regulations (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#ag)
May Attorney General regulate guns?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> Yes
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Background Check At State Level (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#bgnd)
Do state police perform a background check in addition to federal NICS check?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> Yes
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#e6e6e6"> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Ballistic Fingerprinting (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#ballistic)
Must handguns be ballistic fingerprinted prior to sale?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> No
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> CCW Limits (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#ccw)
May police limit carrying concealed handguns?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> Yes
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#e6e6e6"> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Child Access Prevention - CAP (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#cap)
Are gun owners held accountable for leaving guns accessible to kids?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> Yes
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Child-Safety Locks (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#csl)
Must locking devices be sold with guns?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> No
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#e6e6e6"> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Gun Manufacturer Accountability (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#lawsuit)
Do cities have authority to hold gun makers legally liable?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> Yes
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Gun Show Checks (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#gunshows)
Are background checks required at gun shows?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> Yes
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#e6e6e6"> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Juvenile Possession (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#juvposs)
Are minors restricted from possessing guns?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> Yes
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Juvenile Sale (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#juvsale)
Is it illegal to sell guns to kids?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> Yes
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#e6e6e6"> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> License or Permit to Purchase (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#license)
Is a license/permit required to buy handguns?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> Yes
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Local Gun Laws - Preemption (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#preemption)
May cities enact laws stronger than the state's?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> Yes
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#e6e6e6"> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Record Keeping (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#records)
May police maintain gun sale records?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> Partial
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Registration (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#registrati)
Are all guns registered with law enforcement?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> Partial
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#e6e6e6"> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Safety Standards (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#standards)
Are there consumer safety standards on guns?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> Partial
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Safety Training (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#training)
Is safety training required for handgun buyers?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> No
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#e6e6e6"> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Saturday Night Specials (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#sns)
Are there limitations on 'junk' handguns?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> Yes
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> School Zones (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#school)
Is it illegal for CCW permit holders to carry guns into schools?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> Yes
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#e6e6e6"> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Secondary Sales (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#secondary)
Are background checks required on 'private' gun sales?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> Yes
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td valign="top" width="45%"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="97%"> <tbody><tr> <td> Waiting Period (http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.php?st=il#wait)
Is there a waiting period on gun sales?
</td> <td align="right" valign="top"> Yes
</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>

[Florida_Bronco]

Johnson was jailed for probation violations but you said... "The government doesn't just track gun owners, the governement throws them in jail when they fail to register their guns."

I'm trying to figure out where you got that from. Do actually know someone this happened to?

I don't know if it's the same thing he was talking about, but Chicago has a police unit whose sole purpose is recovering any gun that's registration has not been renewed. They basically show up on your doorstep and if you don't surrender the gun immediately they will arrest you.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I don't know if it's the same thing he was talking about, but Chicago has a police unit whose sole purpose is recovering any gun that's registration has not been renewed. They basically show up on your doorstep and if you don't surrender the gun immediately they will arrest you.Really? You have any links to those stories?

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REGISTRATION
Are all guns registered with law enforcement? Partial

Illinois: While there is no state requirement that gun owners register specific firearms, it is generally illegal to possess a firearm without a license. But police do not know how many guns are in the state or where they are. The lack of specific registration data makes it more difficult for police to trace guns used in crime, identify illegal gun traffickers or hold gun owners accountable for their weapons. There is no state system to identify and disarm felons who bought guns legally in the past but later committed a crime or otherwise became ineligible to possess their firearms.

[Florida_Bronco]

Really? You have any links to those stories?

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REGISTRATION
Are all guns registered with law enforcement? Partial

Illinois: While there is no state requirement that gun owners register specific firearms, it is generally illegal to possess a firearm without a license. But police do not know how many guns are in the state or where they are. The lack of specific registration data makes it more difficult for police to trace guns used in crime, identify illegal gun traffickers or hold gun owners accountable for their weapons. There is no state system to identify and disarm felons who bought guns legally in the past but later committed a crime or otherwise became ineligible to possess their firearms.

No link, I read it in a magazine.

[ton80]

I don't know if it's the same thing he was talking about, but Chicago has a police unit whose sole purpose is recovering any gun that's registration has not been renewed. They basically show up on your doorstep and if you don't surrender the gun immediately they will arrest you.

I'm simply talking about the criminaliztion of possessing unregisterd firearms. Whether the offense requires a fine, jail time, proabation, it doesn't matter to me. It's still a criminal offense that I don't agree with. If Tank Johnson possessed stolen firearms, I definately have a problem with that. The distinction is subtle that I don't expect some to grasp.

I'm anticipating Beerslugs next question to be something along the lines of "How do you know if the guns are stolen if they aren't registered with the government?" My answer is, the serial number is registered with the vendor, maybe insurance companies, or perhaps with the gun manufacturer. I find it simply wrong that the damn government is butting into this.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I'm simply talking about the criminaliztion of possessing unregisterd firearms. Whether the offense requires a fine, jail time, proabation, it doesn't matter to me. It's still a criminal offense that I don't agree with. If Tank Johnson possessed stolen firearms, I definately have a problem with that. The distinction is subtle that I don't expect some to grasp.

I'm anticipating Beerslugs next question to be something along the lines of "How do you know if the guns are stolen if they aren't registered with the government?" My answer is, the serial number is registered with the vendor, maybe insurance companies, or perhaps with the gun manufacturer. I find it simply wrong that the damn government is butting into this.Nope, same question...

"The government doesn't just track gun owners, the governement throws them in jail when they fail to register their guns."

Please provide an example, any example of this happening to law abiding citizens, especially in light of Illinois state gun laws....

The lack of specific registration data makes it more difficult for police to trace guns used in crime, identify illegal gun traffickers or hold gun owners accountable for their weapons. There is no state system to identify and disarm felons who bought guns legally in the past but later committed a crime or otherwise became ineligible to possess their firearms.

[ton80]

Nope, same question...

"The government doesn't just track gun owners, the governement throws them in jail when they fail to register their guns."

Please provide an example, any example of this happening to law abiding citizens, especially in light of Illinois state gun laws....

I edited the post just for you Beerslug. I don't care to do the research since it doesn't matter to me what the penalty is for possessing an unregistered gun. The point i'm making is that it is a criminal act to possess an unregistered gun and I don't like it. The sentence/fine is irrelevant to the point i'm trying to make.

Honestly though, I should know better than to even argue gun issues or political issues on a website that I enjoy visiting to read about Broncos football. I'm getting out of the political discussions hopefully forever.

Cheers Beerslug. We'll talk later on another thread about Broncos football.

[Atlas]

Honestly though, I should know better than to even argue gun issues or political issues on a website that I enjoy visiting to read about Broncos football. I'm getting out of the political discussions hopefully forever.

Cheers Beerslug. We'll talk later on another thread about Broncos football.

yeah you better run now before we turn LABF loose on ya!!