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clarkster
05-09-2007, 12:35 PM
Heres this, and its fairly close to home on both fronts for me. its oneof those maybe you can see both sides kind of stories, however, i refuse to let

Littleton - With its green lawn, jungle gym and picnic gazebo, Berry Park is an unlikely battlefield, but the local flap over the statue of a fallen war hero set to be placed here brewed into a national conflict Thursday.

The Internet, talk radio and cable news spread the word of some parents' concerns about the planned bronze sculpture of Navy SEAL Danny Dietz holding his automatic rifle.

"There's no middle ground here, and that's unfortunate," said Emily Cassidy, one of a handful of Littleton parents who say the statue with the gun should not be near three schools and two playgrounds at the southeast corner of South Lowell Boulevard and West Berry Avenue.

"We're continuing to try to spread our

Statue standoff
Discuss the controversy over the memorial.
message," Cassidy said. "The message is not against Danny Dietz, his family or the war. It's location, location and the audience that will view it."
Reached at home Thursday in Virginia Beach, Va., Patsy Dietz, Dietz's widow, said she sympathizes with the message that guns and schools shouldn't mix, especially in the community where the Columbine shootings took place.

But to use her husband to forge such a political statement about guns is irresponsible, she said.

"It's a parent's job, including these parents who are protesting, to teach their children the difference between two thugs who murder their classmates and a soldier who died fighting for their freedom," she said. "Danny represents every soldier and sailor who has fallen, and for them to take this stand, well, that's offensive to me."

Patsy Dietz found out about the opposition via an e-mail forwarded by Janice Caulfield, the parent-teacher association president at Centennial Academy of Fine Arts Education.

Caulfield had received the e-mail, which solicited opposition the statue.

"They were barking up the wrong tree," said Caulfield, the daughter of a 24-year Navy man and the cousin of a Navy SEAL who served with Danny Dietz.

Caulfield said she could not speak for the PTA, but in her opinion admiring a local war hero is good for children.

"I'll be proud to take my children there, and I'll be glad to show them a hero who died fighting for them and how we live our lives in freedom," she said.

The statue of the Heritage High School graduate is being cast at a foundry in Loveland. Sculptor Robert Henderson of Caņon City based it on the last photo taken of Dietz, showing him in a crouched position and holding the rifle on one knee.

It is scheduled to be unveiled at the park July 4, the second anniversary of the discovery of his body on a mountainside in Afghanistan. Dietz died June 28,

Shell pieces for the bronze statue of Navy SEAL Danny Dietz are drying at the Bronze Services of Loveland foundry. The statue is scheduled to be unveiled at Berry Park in Littleton on July 4, the second anniversary of the discovery of Dietz's body. (Post / Hyoung Chang)2005, fighting off dozens of al-Qaeda guerrillas. He posthumously received the Navy Cross for heroism.
The opposition to a war memorial is unprecedented in Jim Carrier's experience He is a national board member for both the Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund and the Navy SEAL Warrior Fund, foundations that help the families of those who die in service to the country.

"They are missing the point," Carrier said. "It takes guns to defend our freedoms against terrorists when they are trying to kill you and your children."

But those who side with Cassidy see a different depiction.

"A statue of a soldier holding a child would send a better message," said Calvin Freehling, a Vietnam veteran from Indianola,

Caņon City sculptor Robert Henderson based his clay form of Navy SEAL Danny Dietz on the last photo taken of him. (Courtesy Tracy Harmon)Neb., who e-mailed The Denver Post. "An automatic weapon doesn't signify protection. It signifies violence. I'm 64 years old now, and I'm tired of violence."
Ann Levy of Denver, who calls herself a "peacenik," would like to see Dietz's sacrifice honored in a different way.

"They should be putting up a peace dove instead," she said. "The question is do we stand for peace or do we stand for war?"

defenseman
05-09-2007, 12:38 PM
Heres this, and its fairly close to home on both fronts for me. its oneof those maybe you can see both sides kind of stories, however, i refuse to let

Littleton - With its green lawn, jungle gym and picnic gazebo, Berry Park is an unlikely battlefield, but the local flap over the statue of a fallen war hero set to be placed here brewed into a national conflict Thursday.

The Internet, talk radio and cable news spread the word of some parents' concerns about the planned bronze sculpture of Navy SEAL Danny Dietz holding his automatic rifle.

"There's no middle ground here, and that's unfortunate," said Emily Cassidy, one of a handful of Littleton parents who say the statue with the gun should not be near three schools and two playgrounds at the southeast corner of South Lowell Boulevard and West Berry Avenue.

"We're continuing to try to spread our

Statue standoff
Discuss the controversy over the memorial.
message," Cassidy said. "The message is not against Danny Dietz, his family or the war. It's location, location and the audience that will view it."
Reached at home Thursday in Virginia Beach, Va., Patsy Dietz, Dietz's widow, said she sympathizes with the message that guns and schools shouldn't mix, especially in the community where the Columbine shootings took place.

But to use her husband to forge such a political statement about guns is irresponsible, she said.

"It's a parent's job, including these parents who are protesting, to teach their children the difference between two thugs who murder their classmates and a soldier who died fighting for their freedom," she said. "Danny represents every soldier and sailor who has fallen, and for them to take this stand, well, that's offensive to me."

Patsy Dietz found out about the opposition via an e-mail forwarded by Janice Caulfield, the parent-teacher association president at Centennial Academy of Fine Arts Education.

Caulfield had received the e-mail, which solicited opposition the statue.

"They were barking up the wrong tree," said Caulfield, the daughter of a 24-year Navy man and the cousin of a Navy SEAL who served with Danny Dietz.

Caulfield said she could not speak for the PTA, but in her opinion admiring a local war hero is good for children.

"I'll be proud to take my children there, and I'll be glad to show them a hero who died fighting for them and how we live our lives in freedom," she said.

The statue of the Heritage High School graduate is being cast at a foundry in Loveland. Sculptor Robert Henderson of Caņon City based it on the last photo taken of Dietz, showing him in a crouched position and holding the rifle on one knee.

It is scheduled to be unveiled at the park July 4, the second anniversary of the discovery of his body on a mountainside in Afghanistan. Dietz died June 28,

Shell pieces for the bronze statue of Navy SEAL Danny Dietz are drying at the Bronze Services of Loveland foundry. The statue is scheduled to be unveiled at Berry Park in Littleton on July 4, the second anniversary of the discovery of Dietz's body. (Post / Hyoung Chang)2005, fighting off dozens of al-Qaeda guerrillas. He posthumously received the Navy Cross for heroism.
The opposition to a war memorial is unprecedented in Jim Carrier's experience He is a national board member for both the Intrepid Fallen Heroes Fund and the Navy SEAL Warrior Fund, foundations that help the families of those who die in service to the country.

"They are missing the point," Carrier said. "It takes guns to defend our freedoms against terrorists when they are trying to kill you and your children."

But those who side with Cassidy see a different depiction.

"A statue of a soldier holding a child would send a better message," said Calvin Freehling, a Vietnam veteran from Indianola,

Caņon City sculptor Robert Henderson based his clay form of Navy SEAL Danny Dietz on the last photo taken of him. (Courtesy Tracy Harmon)Neb., who e-mailed The Denver Post. "An automatic weapon doesn't signify protection. It signifies violence. I'm 64 years old now, and I'm tired of violence."
Ann Levy of Denver, who calls herself a "peacenik," would like to see Dietz's sacrifice honored in a different way.

"They should be putting up a peace dove instead," she said. "The question is do we stand for peace or do we stand for war?"


I guess serving your country isn't in "fashion" or "politically correct" for today's society? How nice. BUT, when they need a weapon toting military man to protect them, you can bet your bottom dollar they'll be screaming for guys just like this. Hypocrites , the lot of them..dman

clarkster
05-09-2007, 12:41 PM
yeah nothing conjures images of greatness like a one of the worlds best toting a ****in dove.

W*GS
05-09-2007, 12:41 PM
Geezus, these people with their irrational fear of guns.

How the heck do they think freedom, liberty, justice, and yes, even peace, are protected? People with guns.

Barry Ramey
05-09-2007, 12:48 PM
Geezus, these people with their irrational fear of guns.

How the heck do they think freedom, liberty, justice, and yes, even peace, are protected? People with guns.

Nah, to them, it's social welfare programs and smoking dope watching cartoons. Not to mention holding hands and singing songs with terrorists, who just need to be understood better.

Spider
05-09-2007, 01:06 PM
how come people that talk about Guns and fighting for freedom , are squirts that couldnt whip their way out of a wet paper bag ?

TailgateNut
05-09-2007, 01:17 PM
how come people that talk about Guns and fighting for freedom , are squirts that couldnt whip their way out of a wet paper bag ?


That's exactly why they "talk" about guns and fighting for freedom. They're all talk. Speaking of "talk", how's Fla Bronco doing. ROFL!

Rohirrim
05-09-2007, 01:17 PM
http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/c/co/coopgreg/694494_minuteman_statue.jpg
Ooops!

defenseman
05-09-2007, 01:57 PM
how come people that talk about Guns and fighting for freedom , are squirts that couldnt whip their way out of a wet paper bag ?

Speak for yourself , spide....Hilarious! ...dman

Spider
05-09-2007, 01:58 PM
Speak for yourself , spide....Hilarious! ...dman

I have lost alot of weight ;D so damn skinny now i could fall through my own a-hole and hang myself ..........220 pounds now

defenseman
05-09-2007, 01:59 PM
Nah, to them, it's social welfare programs and smoking dope watching cartoons. Not to mention holding hands and singing songs with terrorists, who just need to be understood better.

as the terrorists lines up a 9mm to the temple with the other hand. Little do they know...dman

Hotrod
05-09-2007, 02:04 PM
Ok seriously were becoming the single biggest group of Pussys in the world.

Oh a statue with a gun.........my child will be scared for life **** that.

Seriously were becoming pussys

defenseman
05-09-2007, 02:14 PM
Ok seriously were becoming the single biggest group of p***Ys in the world.

Oh a statue with a gun.........my child will be scared for life **** that.

Seriously were becoming p***Ys

And primmadonnas, and aplogists, and wussies, and narcicistic, and uninspired...on an on...in short...gutless...dman

atomicbloke
05-09-2007, 03:10 PM
Some people will do anything to get their name in the papers.

The irony is that some people on a football message board will discuss about them when in fact they are supposed to be working.

clarkster
05-10-2007, 10:15 AM
good thing about it is that the family is saying "**** you yuppy bitches, were putting it up anyways"
its sad how irresponsible some people have become. to blame a statue of a fallen warrior for your childrens potential to go on a shooting spree is by far the biggest sluff off of parental accountability ever.

clarkster
05-10-2007, 10:16 AM
Some people will do anything to get their name in the papers.

The irony is that some people on a football message board will discuss about them when in fact they are supposed to be working.

guilty, i am supposed to be working, and on the taxpayers nickle none-the-less...sorry guys.

ant1999e
05-10-2007, 10:45 AM
Some people will do anything to get their name in the papers.

The irony is that some people on a football message board will discuss about them when in fact they are supposed to be working.

We are more that just football fans here bloke.

Spider
05-10-2007, 11:03 AM
Some people will do anything to get their name in the papers.

The irony is that some people on a football message board will discuss about them when in fact they are supposed to be working.

are you referring to me typing and driving t the same time ? ;D

clarkster
05-10-2007, 11:24 AM
are you referring to me typing and driving t the same time ? ;D

you know i was going to ask. youre always on the road i assume because a trucker doesnt make **** unless hes driving, yet youre on here like every day. hows that?

Spider
05-10-2007, 11:28 AM
you know i was going to ask. youre always on the road i assume because a trucker doesnt make **** unless hes driving, yet youre on here like every day. hows that?

I have an air card aka get on the net anywhere any time through my lap top ...... realy cool , I can sit on the side of the road and have a video conference with the wife via MSN messenger ;D
Just the other day we talked for over an hour while I sat on the side of the road ........my card is through alltel exvdoX1 115.0 kbps no matter where I am ....... I can be out in the middle of nowhere loding an oil rig and still be on the net ;D

clarkster
05-10-2007, 11:45 AM
so youre not really driving and surfing the net at the same time are you? id lose my mind if i saw someone doing that. i get pissed seeing people on the phone and driving.

Spider
05-10-2007, 11:53 AM
so youre not really driving and surfing the net at the same time are you? id lose my mind if i saw someone doing that. i get pissed seeing people on the phone and driving.

Multi Tasking ............. ;D
but no I use my lap top for my GPS , I found a program called co pilot , truckers software for GPS , and it is damn nice , best routes for 53 foot trailers , oversized , construction zones , traffic updates etc ........ fuel stops .....
when I first started trucking Cell phones , computers , GPS , internet was unheard of , now I need all these things ;D

clarkster
05-10-2007, 11:57 AM
thats cool. i really love the bitch taking off from an intersection while checking her text messages. wish i could feed them their cell phones.

Spider
05-10-2007, 12:01 PM
thats cool. i really love the b**** taking off from an intersection while checking her text messages. wish i could feed them their cell phones.

I dont know why more people dont use bluetooth ................it dont help with text messaging , but it does everything else

clarkster
05-10-2007, 12:26 PM
I dont know why more people dont use bluetooth ................it dont help with text messaging , but it does everything else

and its hilarious to see someone talking to themselves in their car, especially if its a heated discussion with a signifigant other...

Spider
05-10-2007, 12:30 PM
and its hilarious to see someone talking to themselves in their car, especially if its a heated discussion with a signifigant other...

LOL . I was pullin into a truck stop and got into it with Jerry .... I am sure I was pretty funny