What cities don't deserve NFL teams and what cities should have 'em?

[Bronco LB 59]

All suggestions are welcome. If you would like to see Mexico City get a team, put in a nomination.

Here is a list of potential cities that could get a NFL team in our lifetimes:

Los Angeles
Portland
Sacramento
Las Vegas
Oklahoma City
Orange County
San Antonio
Norfolk
Memphis
Salt Lake City
Honolulu
Omaha
Des Moines
Albuquerque
Birmingham
Toronto
Vancouver
Montreal
Mexico City
Guadulajara
Tokyo
Beijing
London
Berlin
Munich

Here's the most obvious city that deserves to lose their team:


Jacksonvillle: It's appalling to see the NFL allow the Jaguars to tarp off both ends of the upper deck and not sell tickets there. The population excuse doesn't hold water since Jacksonville is in the smack dab of SEC country, an area where over a hundred thousand rabid fans flock to places like Gainesville and Athens to enjoy a Saturday autumn afternoon. It's probably the smallest market among all four major pro sports in America (Green Bay is the smallest city, but they have one of the largest markets in the league).

[Houshyamama]

Los Angeles
Portland
Sacramento
Las Vegas
Oklahoma City
Orange County
San Antonio
Norfolk
Memphis
Salt Lake City
Honolulu
Omaha
Des Moines
Albuquerque
Birmingham
Toronto
Vancouver
Montreal
Mexico City
Guadulajara


-too far-
Tokyo
Beijing
London
Berlin
Munich

[-Slap-]

Expansion is the great Satan. I pray the NFL doesn't add any more teams. There aren't 20 decent quarterbacks in the NFL now.

I'm sure Los Angeles will eventually get a team and I'm equally sure Vegas will never got one.

[U4EA]

Deserves a team:

Pueblo. Hell, those people have suffered so much, give them some hope.

Deserves to lose their team:

Buffalo. All right, they probably don't deserve to lose their team but I bet they do anyway.

[Dagmar]

Why will Vegas not get a team?

[-Slap-]

Why will Vegas not get a team?

No facility. No viable ownership group on the horizon. No interest whatsoever by the public in paying for an acceptable venue. Most of all, the hypocrites in the NFL League Office have been openly hostile to Vegas for years. Probably because they know the gaming investigators out here would uncover the type of crap the League prefers to have hushed up.

[Steve Sewell]

Deserves a team:

Pueblo. Hell, those people have suffered so much, give them some hope.

Deserves to lose their team:

Buffalo. All right, they probably don't deserve to lose their team but I bet they do anyway.

Buffalo has some of the most dedicated and rabid fans in all of the NFL. Top 5 in terms of fans, period. As long as Ralph Wilson's family owns the team they will never move.

[Steve Sewell]

Why will Vegas not get a team?

I can see Vegas getting an NBA team and that's about it. The NFL is too "classy" to consider a place like Vegas for a team. Besides, there would be too many Pacman's "making it rain" at the Bunny Ranch. Not a good mix!

[Houshyamama]

Buffalo has some of the most dedicated and rabid fans in all of the NFL. Top 5 in terms of fans, period. As long as Ralph Wilson's family owns the team they will never move.

There are so many teams that say that, has to be at least 10 in the top 5. Ha!

[freak6]

There is only one team that can lay the blame squarely on thier own home crowd for costing them home field advantage throughout the playoffs.

Only one crowd is so full of morons that they actually screamed so loud in the final minute of a home playoff game the QB couldn't get the play from the sidelines.

This team was down 4 points without any timeouts. Playcalling was crucial.

Due to the moronic crowd screaming thier drunken mullet heads off, the QB ended up having to throw up a prayer on 4th down due directly to the home crowd killing any chances of a comeback.

Definitions of idiot on the Web:

In medicine and psychology, an idiot is a person with a very severe mental retardation or a very low IQ level. In the current classification, these people are said to scream for no reason, act like morons, speak foolish gibberish, and can often be found at Arrowhead Stadium. See figure 1.1


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[Odysseus]

No facility. No viable ownership group on the horizon. No interest whatsoever by the public in paying for an acceptable venue. Most of all, the hypocrites in the NFL League Office have been openly hostile to Vegas for years. Probably because they know the gaming investigators out here would uncover the type of crap the League prefers to have hushed up.


:spit: Dude! Stop spilling the beans! You are going to wreck it!

[liljd307]

Buffalo has some of the most dedicated and rabid fans in all of the NFL. Top 5 in terms of fans, period. As long as Ralph Wilson's family owns the team they will never move.

ill second that. i went to the denver buffalo game a couple of years ago and i went sporting my TD jersey and i got a concession stand worth of stuff thrown at me. they are not friendly, thats for sure (about 8 huges fights broke out during that game too.)

[MileHighMagic]

It was rumored Albuquerque and San Antonio were possible suitors for the Saints. We can't even sell out half of our college stadium. We sure as hell don't deserve a pro team. In ten years we will be big enough probably. I don't want the NFL to expand... just change adresses of a few.

[Spider]

Denver doesnt deserve the Broncos....Casper Wyoming does ;D

[El Minion]

All suggestions are welcome. If you would like to see Mexico City get a team, put in a nomination.

Here is a list of potential cities that could get a NFL team in our lifetimes:

Los Angeles
Portland
Sacramento
Las Vegas
Oklahoma City
Orange County
San Antonio
Norfolk
Memphis
Salt Lake City
Honolulu
Omaha
Des Moines
Albuquerque
Birmingham
Toronto
Vancouver
Montreal
Mexico City
Guadulajara
Tokyo
Beijing
London
Berlin
Munich

Here's the most obvious city that deserves to lose their team:


Jacksonvillle: It's appalling to see the NFL allow the Jaguars to tarp off both ends of the upper deck and not sell tickets there. The population excuse doesn't hold water since Jacksonville is in the smack dab of SEC country, an area where over a hundred thousand rabid fans flock to places like Gainesville and Athens to enjoy a Saturday autumn afternoon. It's probably the smallest market among all four major pro sports in America (Green Bay is the smallest city, but they have one of the largest markets in the league).

Get:
Los Angeles 2 teams (1 AFC & NFC West)
London (AFC South), charter a supersonic airplane, e.g. Concorde (the French still have one flight ready)
Mexico City (AFC West)

Lose:
San Diego
Oakland
Arizona
Jax

[Jens1893]

You can forget about Germany because of ownership issues. The concept of a single person owning a franchise is too hard to sell here. Apart from that, Munich does not have a stadium where the NFL could play right now. The Olympic Stadium is too old for the NFL to even consider playing a game there and they only got building permission for the Allianz Arena under the condition that only football games can be staged there because the city didn´t want the Olympic Stadium to be empty. They can´t even tear it down because it is under a preservation order.

[RhymesayersDU]

It was rumored Albuquerque and San Antonio were possible suitors for the Saints. We can't even sell out half of our college stadium. We sure as hell don't deserve a pro team. In ten years we will be big enough probably. I don't want the NFL to expand... just change adresses of a few.

I'm glad somebody said it.

Granted, Lobo football sucks and perhaps people would come out to a pro game, but still. Plus we're just too poor to put up a good stadium, support a team correctly, etc.

[Bronco Billy]

ill second that. i went to the denver buffalo game a couple of years ago and i went sporting my TD jersey and i got a concession stand worth of stuff thrown at me. they are not friendly, thats for sure (about 8 huges fights broke out during that game too.)

I was at that game and agree 100%. Stealing the line from Clarence Mann in Field of Dreams, "however misplaced (their) passion might be, it is still a passion."

[BroncoMatt]

There is no need for a team in Mexico City. There is already a team in a suburb of Tiajuana.

[Bronco Billy]

It might sound crazy, but Des Moines could probably support an NFL team. People travel all over that state to see the Hawkeyes.

[maven]

Buffalo has some of the most dedicated and rabid fans in all of the NFL. Top 5 in terms of fans, period. As long as Ralph Wilson's family owns the team they will never move.

Aren't they bottom 5 in team revenue, old stadium, play in a small market, and do not have huge fan base? Other than Jax, Nola. They definately could be on the move.

[maven]

It might sound crazy, but Des Moines could probably support an NFL team. People travel all over that state to see the Hawkeyes.

You cannot compare college football to the NFL.

[Kaylore]

I agree that we shouldn't have any expansion, but I'd like to see some towns shift. San Diego and San Francisco need Stadiums. So do the fade, for that matter. Buffalo has good fans, but they don't make a lot of money. The Jags are in deep debt. I could see any one of the NFC south teams moving as well.

[MileHighMagic]

It might sound crazy, but Des Moines could probably support an NFL team. People travel all over that state to see the Hawkeyes.

I was thinking along those lines too. I see all these college towns that are just crazy about their teams and always sell out. Why not give a smaller city a big league club? There was like 80,000 at a freakin innersquad game the other day!

[ZachKC]

There is only one team that can lay the blame squarely on thier own home crowd for costing them home field advantage throughout the playoffs.

Only one crowd is so full of morons that they actually screamed so loud in the final minute of a home playoff game the QB couldn't get the play from the sidelines.

This team was down 4 points without any timeouts. Playcalling was crucial.

Due to the moronic crowd screaming thier drunken mullet heads off, the QB ended up having to throw up a prayer on 4th down due directly to the home crowd killing any chances of a comeback.

Definitions of idiot on the Web:

In medicine and psychology, an idiot is a person with a very severe mental retardation or a very low IQ level. In the current classification, these people are said to scream for no reason, act like morons, speak foolish gibberish, and can often be found at Arrowhead Stadium. See figure 1.1


<img src="http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1073769489888_2004/01/12/1201ww9,0.jpg">
Is this some parody? What game are you referring to? I have been to 50 some odd games at Arrowhead and have never heard the crowd screaming their heads off during a crucial offensive series.

[Bronco Billy]

I was thinking along those lines too. I see all these college towns that are just crazy about their teams and always sell out. Why not give a smaller city a big league club? There was like 80,000 at a freakin innersquad game the other day!

Maven has a valid point that you can't compare college football to the NFL. And I agree with Khan that we don't need expansion in the NFL. However, I still think Des Moines could pull it off after spending nearly two years in the area. Hell, they watch high school wrestling on prime time TV!

[kmartin575]

I don't care how much I hate any team, I don't think any town deserves to lose a team. The Chiefs kind of came close and I don't want to see another city have to go through that.

[maven]

I don't care how much I hate any team, I don't think any town deserves to lose a team. The Chiefs kind of came close and I don't want to see another city have to go through that.

A town should lose a team if the community doesn't support them.

[-Slap-]

They should go back to 24 teams. Three divisions per conference. Four teams per division. One wild card in each conference.

Expand the rosters to 59 players.

Expand the regular season to 18 games.

Ban for life any player that celebrates a tackle that results in his team giving up a first down.

[atomicbloke]

It was rumored Albuquerque and San Antonio were possible suitors for the Saints. We can't even sell out half of our college stadium. We sure as hell don't deserve a pro team. In ten years we will be big enough probably. I don't want the NFL to expand... just change adresses of a few.

But the duke city is a boom town. 10 years later, it will be too late to build a stadium or get a team. Real estate would have skyrocketed by then.

I think getting a team in ABQ in the next couple of years would be a good investment for the NFL.

And when the Lobos were doing well, the University stadium used to be full. Look the Pitt. It is considered one of the top 20 sports venues for atmosphere.

Well, maybe an NBA team would make more financial sense in ABQ.

[broncocalijohn]

I would love a team back in Orange county as what they will be doing with that whole area near Angels Stadium but everyone remembers how bad the Rams drew the last few years in the OC. Of course the owner was a total beatch and possible murderer (IMO). NFL would love the money from SoCal, though.

[MileHighMagic]

And when the Lobos were doing well, the University stadium used to be full. Look the Pitt. It is considered one of the top 20 sports venues for atmosphere.


No disrespect but when have the Lobos done well? I don't recall them ever selling out Univ Stadium.

The Pit used to be great in the 70's and 90's but it only holds around 17,000. We have a few down years and we can't even fill that.

[TheChamp24]

If the NFL expands some more I just might throw up watching some of the teams try to compete. Like someone said earlier, we have enough trouble today finding QB's that are solid for 20 teams, let alone 32.
There would be some god AWFUL teams if the NFL expands some more. At this point, I doubt any team will be contracted.
We will probably see some teams move though. I mean, who would've thought the Oilers would move when they did, or the Browns for that matter as well?

[broncocalijohn]

I hear Oakland is looking for a NFL team.

[atomicbloke]

No disrespect but when have the Lobos done well? I don't recall them ever selling out Univ Stadium.

The Pit used to be great in the 70's and 90's but it only holds around 17,000. We have a few down years and we can't even fill that.

The last 2 years of the Casey Kelly era were pretty good.

[Rohirrim]

What happened to those rumors of the Chargers moving up to L.A.? It seems like every three years or so, some team is rumored to be headed for L.A. The perfect scenario is that old hag Frontiere finally drops dead and the new owners move the Rams back to L.A. Of course, the city fathers of L.A. are such money grubbing little pukes that they are guaranteed to crap on any deal that anybody can put together. I'm surprised the current mayor of L.A. hasn't sold the city to Mexico. It's pretty obvious that's where he would prefer to live.

I've always thought that the perfect place for a stadium in L.A. would be right where the Harbor and San Diego freeways meet. The 91 comes in just north of there. Gardena or Carson. Why they keep talking about the Colisseum, I don't know. Worst neighborhood in L.A. I went to a couple of Bronco games when the Faders played there. Not a place you want to be after dark.

[Hogan11]

Buffalo has some of the most dedicated and rabid fans in all of the NFL. Top 5 in terms of fans, period. As long as Ralph Wilson's family owns the team they will never move.

This is not true.

There can be no doubt about western NY's ability to support the team...the stadium has recently been renovated and the fanbase has always been there and has always been out in force no matter what. The area, combined with the ultra-strong Canadian Bills contingent is not...and never has been...the problem.

The problem here is that Ralph Wilson is 80 something years old and not one of his daughters has shown any interest at all in taking over operations of the team. When Ralph catches a cold, waves of outright fear rumble loudly throughout western New York state. Unless one of the daughters steps up or that prick Galisano buys the team outright (like he did with the Sabres), I wouldn't give them very long at all after Wilson finally kicks off........and that'd be a real shame.

[defenseman]

It might sound crazy, but Des Moines could probably support an NFL team. People travel all over that state to see the Hawkeyes.

No different than omaha. Husker fans fill the stadium easily to watch the huskers in lincoln. Can't get a ticket. Season tickets are "willed" just like bronco tickets. Omaha has the financial wherewithall to pull it off. Lots of insurance and other monies in omaha. We'll see...dman

*California has enough freaking teams. They blew it with the rams, why should anyone trust them with another one.

[Man-Goblin]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Put the Jags in L.A., put them in the NFC West, and put the Rams in the AFC South. Done and Done.

[55CrushEm]

Expansion is the great Satan. I pray the NFL doesn't add any more teams. There aren't 20 decent quarterbacks in the NFL now.

I'm sure Los Angeles will eventually get a team and I'm equally sure Vegas will never got one.

Agreed. No more expansion. The league is fine the way it is now. More teams just means more "watering down"....

[Play2win]

I think Portland should get a team. I think in the next 10 years it is going to probably be the most up and coming city in the U.S.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Mark Memphis off that list. This town has no support for anything other then col. b-ball. The grizz have been here for a bit and have never realy drawn well and even thinking of selling 50k+ seats for a NFL game is way out of reach. When the oiler had there one year stop here in memphis I went to the jags game. I bet it may have had 15k people maybey. I moved all the way down and had like a 5th row seat at the 40 and once it started raining almost everyone left. This is definatly a town with no support.

[Hogan11]

Mark Memphis off that list. This town has no support for anything other then col. b-ball. The grizz have been here for a bit and have never realy drawn well and even thinking of selling 50k+ seats for a NFL game is way out of reach. When the oiler had there one year stop here in memphis I went to the jags game. I bet it may have had 15k people maybey. I moved all the way down and had like a 5th row seat at the 40 and once it started raining almost everyone left. This is definatly a town with no support.

The Oilers were there the last time I was ever in Memphis and I asked around how people felt about them being there....the general feeling was that they were still upset at being passed over for Carolina and Jacksonville and that they were not going to support anything that was only going to be in town for two years......take it for what it's worth. Personally, I don't know if I can blame them for that attitude or not.

[Arkansas Bronco]

The Oilers were there the last time I was ever in Memphis and I asked around how people felt about them being there....the general feeling was that they were still upset at being passed over for Carolina and Jacksonville and that they were not going to support anything that was only going to be in town for two years......take it for what it's worth. Personally, I don't know if I can blame them for that attitude or not.

Oh yea they were mad and made it a point to show it but we just build the Fed-Ex forum and it is usualy only half full for Grizz games. And that was last year when they were a playoff team now that they suck they have lost even more fans.

[Rock Chalk]

San Antonio.

Consider this:

Florida has 3 football teams.
New York Has 3 football teams.
California has 3 football teams.
Texas is synonomous with football, and only has 2 football teams. It is the second most populated state behind California. San Antonio is the 6th largest city in the nation and has only ONE professional sport franchise in the Spurs.

Yet San Antonio was not even on the list of potential cities. The best way to spread the NFL to the Hispanic fans AND keep the teams in country would be to place a team in San Antonio. Screw Mexico City.

[Hogan11]

San Antonio.

Consider this:

Florida has 3 football teams.
New York Has 3 football teams.
California has 3 football teams.
Texas is synonomous with football, and only has 2 football teams. It is the second most populated state behind California. San Antonio is the 6th largest city in the nation and has only ONE professional sport franchise in the Spurs.

Yet San Antonio was not even on the list of potential cities. The best way to spread the NFL to the Hispanic fans AND keep the teams in country would be to place a team in San Antonio. Screw Mexico City.


New York only has one team...the other two are in New Jersey.

and am I the only one who sees exchange rate problems with franchises in foreign countries?

[Smiling Assassin27]

It was rumored Albuquerque and San Antonio were possible suitors for the Saints. We can't even sell out half of our college stadium. We sure as hell don't deserve a pro team. In ten years we will be big enough probably. I don't want the NFL to expand... just change adresses of a few.

Albuquerque will never be a viable NFL city. It's run by corrupt politicians who lack vision (Isotopes Stadium should've been built downtown) and the state politicians are even worse. New Mexico isn't 48th in the nation in every measurable social and economic indicator for nothing. Espanola, however, may be the place...:thumbs:

[Arkansas Bronco]

Yet San Antonio was not even on the list of potential cities. The best way to spread the NFL to the Hispanic fans AND keep the teams in country would be to place a team in San Antonio. Screw Mexico City.

I think San An would be a fine choice. And as for mexico city this is the National Football League not the North American or World League. We need to keep this in house this is our game.

[Hogan11]

Oh yea they were mad and made it a point to show it but we just build the Fed-Ex forum and it is usualy only half full for Grizz games. And that was last year when they were a playoff team now that they suck they have lost even more fans.

You know, in retrospect...maybe Memphis being passed over was a good thing, afterall..why cheapen the league with a team who's moniker would've been "The Hound Dogs"? If that doesn't smack of arena league bullshat, then nothing does.

[spdirty]

They should move the Chiefs to San Antone.

[Jason in LA]

What happened to those rumors of the Chargers moving up to L.A.? It seems like every three years or so, some team is rumored to be headed for L.A. The perfect scenario is that old hag Frontiere finally drops dead and the new owners move the Rams back to L.A. Of course, the city fathers of L.A. are such money grubbing little pukes that they are guaranteed to crap on any deal that anybody can put together. I'm surprised the current mayor of L.A. hasn't sold the city to Mexico. It's pretty obvious that's where he would prefer to live.

I've always thought that the perfect place for a stadium in L.A. would be right where the Harbor and San Diego freeways meet. The 91 comes in just north of there. Gardena or Carson. Why they keep talking about the Colisseum, I don't know. Worst neighborhood in L.A. I went to a couple of Bronco games when the Faders played there. Not a place you want to be after dark.

The Governator is doing the best he can to make sure that any team that moves to LA does not already play in California. The theory is that the state would make more money with four teams. If the Chargers, Raiders, or Niners move to LA, it would bring in the same amount of money. The way I understand it the State can dictate what team moves to the Coliseum because part of the property is owned by the state.

As for the area around the Coliseum, it's not really a problem. Remember, a ton of rich parents send their kids to school a block north of the Coliseum. The reason things looked so bad when you saw the Broncos play there was because of the Raider fans. I've been to a number of of events there, including Raider games. It's a totally different atmosphere when the Raiders aren't playing. USC football or basketball never has any problems there. The Clippers didn't have any problems there. There are never any problems at any of the events at the Coliseum or Sports Areana. Raider fans screwed that up.

There was a plan to put a stadium in Carson, right where the 110 and 405 meet. But Carson dropped out of the race and decided to build a shopping mall there instead.

A new, state of the art Coliseum is the perfect place for a new team, and that's where the city and the NFL will make the most money. There are big time projects that will be completed in the Downtown area that will bring a ton of people, and money, to the area. The NFL isn't going to want to miss out on that.

The way I see it going down, there probably is some type of "behind closed doors" agreement already between the NFL and LA. They wouldn't want to annonce anything right now. If they did, then what ever team was going to be moving here would be playing in an empty stadium until they moved. If it was the Saints, would the New Orleans fans show up to the games, knowing the team was about to move? If the NFL announced that they were going to build the Coliseum, but not announce a team, then the fans in Buffalo, New Orleans, Jacksonville, and Minnisota would all stop going, thinking that it was there team that was going to move.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

They should move the chiefs' fans to Siberia

[freak6]

Is this some parody? What game are you referring to? I have been to 50 some odd games at Arrowhead and have never heard the crowd screaming their heads off during a crucial offensive series.

lmfao

Proved my point. You're some "fan".

Hilarious!

[MileHighMagic]

Albuquerque will never be a viable NFL city. It's run by corrupt politicians who lack vision (Isotopes Stadium should've been built downtown) and the state politicians are even worse. New Mexico isn't 48th in the nation in every measurable social and economic indicator for nothing. Espanola, however, may be the place...:thumbs:

"Never" is a pretty bold statement. Especially considering how fast Rio Rancho is growing. Just being considered for a team a couple years ago, when we clearly were not ready, should tell you something.

All politicians are corrupt, dude. :wiggle: Richardson is a piece of work but he is a big sports fan and has pushed for an NFL and Arena team. Crook or not, he is a powerful man.

The Topes being downtown helps how? Putting the park next to The Pit and Univ Stadium has worked fine in my opinion.

[Los Broncos]

We were talking about a team moving into Anaheim here a while back.

[400HZ]

The problem with the whole L.A. team deal is that politicians and elected leaders in California are way to stupid and greedy to work out a legit stadium proposal. An L.A. team would be playing in the old ghetto Colliseum and then take off in a couple years when a place like San Antonio puts up the cash for a decent venue. The city of LA wouldn't seriously consider putting up money for stadium improvements. Why would any team owner consider moving into a dilapidated ****hole like the Colliseum in a city full of Turd fans?

[Jason in LA]

The problem with the whole L.A. team deal is that politicians and elected leaders in California are way to stupid and greedy to work out a legit stadium proposal. An L.A. team would be playing in the old ghetto Colliseum and then take off in a couple years when a place like San Antonio puts up the cash for a decent venue. The city of LA wouldn't seriously consider putting up money for stadium improvements. Why would any team owner consider moving into a dilapidated ****hole like the Colliseum in a city full of Turd fans?

I don't think you have a full understanding of the situation. The new stadium plans have already been made. What ever team comes to LA will not be moving into the Coliseum in its present condition. They would be moving into a brand new, state of the art Coliseum.

The plans are on the table. Chances are the NFL is going to go through with those plans for a new Coliseum. They may have already made the decision to go forward, but like I said a few posts ago, it wouldn't be smart to annonce it now because some team, and possibly multiple teams, would be playing in front of empty stadiums because the fans would think that their team would be moving to LA.

There is way too much money to be made in a new Coliseum. The NFL isn't going to pass that up.

[worm]

There are 3 pages on what teams do and don't deserve teams...and Nola hasn't been mentioned once as a city that doesn't deserve the Saints.

Pretty cool...and very different than if the question was posed 9 months ago.

[ZONA]

Is this some parody? What game are you referring to? I have been to 50 some odd games at Arrowhead and have never heard the crowd screaming their heads off during a crucial offensive series.

Who the hell really cares - it's funny just to see a stupid looking Chiefs fan with his face all distorted like that being called an idiot. I laughed my ass off on this. I could clearly see that in my imagination. A bunch of mullet chiefs all dressed in their war party fake wannabe indian gear screaming bloody murder when their own team has the ball. That is the truth of it all. That is how pathetic and stupid KC fans are. I'm still laughing. :~ohyah!:

[ZachKC]

lmfao

Proved my point. You're some "fan".

Hilarious!

How so? Why would anyone be loud when your team is on offense? You aren't making sense.

[RkyMtnThunder]

Get:
Los Angeles 2 teams (1 AFC & NFC West)
London (AFC South), charter a supersonic airplane, e.g. Concorde (the French still have one flight ready)
Mexico City (AFC West)

Lose:
San Diego
Oakland
Arizona
Jax



San Diego and Oakland - may be our rivals but I couldnt see the NFL getting rid of these two franchises. Al Davis may destroy his on his own, but the NFL wont. Too much history and some of the best rivalries in the NFL

Arizona just had an $800mil stadium open last year. They will be regular super bowl hosts. They are also the oldest team in the NFL. Loosing history or not, I dont see them going anywhere either.

Jax - for sure.



As far as international expansion - screw that. NFLE will just have to be good enough for our friends over the pond - who for the most part could really care less.

[400HZ]

I've seen plans for the Colliseum. I haven't seen any ballots or money though. Plans are easy.

[400HZ]

And the NFL isn't gonna pony up $600 million to renovate the Coliseum. That money has to come from either an NFL franchise or the city of Los Angeles.

[chickennob2]

Mark Memphis off that list. This town has no support for anything other then col. b-ball. The grizz have been here for a bit and have never realy drawn well and even thinking of selling 50k+ seats for a NFL game is way out of reach. When the oiler had there one year stop here in memphis I went to the jags game. I bet it may have had 15k people maybe. I moved all the way down and had like a 5th row seat at the 40 and once it started raining almost everyone left. This is definatly a town with no support.

I was actually about to post this. Memphis just cannot support a major league franchise. The Redbirds (AAA Baseball) draw a solid crowd, and the Tigers do well. Though in something like a 17,000 seat stadium (FedEx Forum), the Tigers still have only a few sellouts a year. The Griz receive very little support. The Oilers tanked when they were here, and actually left a year earlier than planned because they were getting no support. (That first year that they moved to Nashville they made the Superbowl, by the way). Memphis just does not have the kind of populace to support an NFL team.

Our numbers look good population-wise, but it wouldn't happen. A large portion of our population, the kind of people who would support a team, are far too poor to afford tickets. The midtown area is mostly self-righteous artsy types who wouldn't pay to watch football, downtown is mostly a slum, and the majority of the middle class live in distant suburbs. As far as the box-buying big business, we have FedEx, and IP has come since the Oilers left. That is comparable to the big business in maybe Jacksonville or Buffalo. For as big of a city as Memphis is, it just doesn't have what it takes to support an NFL team.

[Jason in LA]

And the NFL isn't gonna pony up $600 million to renovate the Coliseum. That money has to come from either an NFL franchise or the city of Los Angeles.

Yes, the NFL is going to pay the money to build a new Coliseum, not a renovated one.

LA city officials have done what every other city has wanted to do. Not pay for the stadium so the NFL can make a boat load of money. Since the NFL is going to make all that money, they might as well pay for the stadium.

[El Minion]

San Diego and Oakland - may be our rivals but I couldnt see the NFL getting rid of these two franchises. Al Davis may destroy his on his own, but the NFL wont. Too much history and some of the best rivalries in the NFL

Arizona just had an $800mil stadium open last year. They will be regular super bowl hosts. They are also the oldest team in the NFL. Loosing history or not, I dont see them going anywhere either.

Jax - for sure.



As far as international expansion - screw that. NFLE will just have to be good enough for our friends over the pond - who for the most part could really care less.

Modell wasn't stopped from from moving his franchise, yes he had to leave the Browns moniker to Cleveland but the Browns still ceased to exist once the franchised moved to Baltimore. The same can happen to Oakland and San Diego (the franchise originated in LA). Will consider sepaku though if the Raiders return to LA or if the Chargers do, can't and won't support those franchises, like being offered someone else's trash. Houston Oilers was an original AFL team, look what happened to them. Arizona was a mistake to begin with, as soon as their contract is up and LA still doesn't have team expect a move.

Change is inevitable, especially if more money can be made.

[ScottXray]

Portland is a weird place. It really ISN"T a sports town.

The city dreams of a major league baseball team here, and a NHL hockey team. There has not been much thought given to the NFL.

We will never get an NHL or MLB team. The population just won't support a team for the number of games that those leagues play. There are too many other distractions here, and there is no stadium for baseball (city keeps dreaming of one) OR Football, and the Rose Garden (where the Blazers play ) has been having real problems financially (20000 seat NBA arena)

And yet the one Major league sport I think WOULD be successful here is the NFL. Mainly because of the fact that there are only about ten home games....therefore a season ticket is within reach of more people, and single game tickets for even more. And the business community here would buy up all the skybox class tickets available.

The stadium would need to be built and that is a concern....but there are large areas to the south of town that would be able to used to draw from southern suburbs and towns and the Portland area also.

What we need is ANOTHER Paul Allen....(since he already owns the Blazers and the Seahawks) to come forward....


Of course I'd still be a Bronco fan all the way....especially if the new team was AFC. :strong:

[loborugger]

The fans of the NFL deserve a good product more than cities deserve expansion teams. Afterall, we pay out-****ing-rageous prices for anything NFL... be it tickets, jerseys, or other paraphenelia.

I am with some of the other posters on here. There isnt enough talent to fill out 10 more teams. Sorry.

These cities that had teams and let them walk - LA comes to mind - screw 'em. They had their chance. Its not like NFL teams grow on trees.

While I strongly dislike teams that hold cities hostage for new stadiums (which seems to be just about every team in every pro league these days), I am even much less of fan of expansion for expansions sake. And I think Jacksonville is poster child of expansion for expansion's sake.

Leave it alone. 32 schedule wise makes a nice #. However if there has to be a change, I say from the fans position that less is more.

[400HZ]

Yes, the NFL is going to pay the money to build a new Coliseum, not a renovated one.

LA city officials have done what every other city has wanted to do. Not pay for the stadium so the NFL can make a boat load of money. Since the NFL is going to make all that money, they might as well pay for the stadium.

So the expectation in L.A. is that the NFL commish is gonna write a $1 Billion check for a brand new stadium? Classic SoCal thinking. :thumbsup:

[Jason in LA]

So the expectation in L.A. is that the NFL commish is gonna write a $1 Billion check for a brand new stadium? Classic SoCal thinking. :thumbsup:


You are seriously behind on the info on this situation.

Before Goodell became the commissioner, moving a team to LA was his pet project.

Also, the NFL, under Goodell, handed LA $5 million to get the plans together. Do you think the NFL would just hand out free money if they weren't serious about the plan. The plan for the NFL to flip the bill was in place well before the NFL gave them that money.

Everthing is falling into place for a team to move into the Coliseum. All of the new development in that area. The NFL doesn't want to miss out on that.

Is there anything else that you need to know so you'll be all caught up?

[Jason in LA]

The fans of the NFL deserve a good product more than cities deserve expansion teams. Afterall, we pay out-****ing-rageous prices for anything NFL... be it tickets, jerseys, or other paraphenelia.

I am with some of the other posters on here. There isnt enough talent to fill out 10 more teams. Sorry.

These cities that had teams and let them walk - LA comes to mind - screw 'em. They had their chance. Its not like NFL teams grow on trees.

While I strongly dislike teams that hold cities hostage for new stadiums (which seems to be just about every team in every pro league these days), I am even much less of fan of expansion for expansions sake. And I think Jacksonville is poster child of expansion for expansion's sake.

Leave it alone. 32 schedule wise makes a nice #. However if there has to be a change, I say from the fans position that less is more.

Cities don't let teams walk. If a team wants to move, then they are going to move.

It's hard to blame LA for two stupid owners like Al Davis and the stripper/murderer Georgia Frontiere. Both of them drove their teams into the ground and ran fans off.

I agree that there shouldn't be expansion. But some teams are going to move around.

[ludo21]

Cities don't let teams walk. If a team wants to move, then they are going to move.

It's hard to blame LA for two stupid owners like Al Davis and the stripper/murderer Georgia Frontiere. Both of them drove their teams into the ground and ran fans off.

I agree that there shouldn't be expansion. But some teams are going to move around.

I could see San Diego to LA...

[maven]

I don't think you have a full understanding of the situation. The new stadium plans have already been made. What ever team comes to LA will not be moving into the Coliseum in its present condition. They would be moving into a brand new, state of the art Coliseum.

The plans are on the table. Chances are the NFL is going to go through with those plans for a new Coliseum. They may have already made the decision to go forward, but like I said a few posts ago, it wouldn't be smart to annonce it now because some team, and possibly multiple teams, would be playing in front of empty stadiums because the fans would think that their team would be moving to LA.

There is way too much money to be made in a new Coliseum. The NFL isn't going to pass that up.

You can only reno a stadium so much. If you want a team to actually stay in LA and make a lot of money, you need to rebuild. LA needs a dome stadium with a ton of luxury boxes. Much like the Staples Center with 3 levels of luxury boxes. If they build this, teams will come. Reno the Coliseum should not be the answer to the solution.

[maven]

San Antonio.

.

The Nola team led by Tom Benson was primed to move the team to SA or possibly LA, but Katrina got in the way. We'll see what happens in 2010(I believe the lease expires to the superdome).

[chadta]

Buffalo has some of the most dedicated and rabid fans in all of the NFL. Top 5 in terms of fans, period. As long as Ralph Wilson's family owns the team they will never move.


your kidding right ? buffalo fans are the biggest bandwagon jumpers going, football and hockey, hell 3 years ago there hockey team was bankrupt, now everybody and there mother is a huge fan, last year at the broncos game all i could hear was the "buffalo fans" chanting lets go sabres, and this was when the bills still had the lead. Were they also not the fans who didnt go to the playoff game against the oilers a few years back causing it to be blacked out, a friggin playoff game blacked out cuz nobody paid for tickets. They should be the first team moved, where heck i dunno.

[Jason in LA]

You can only reno a stadium so much. If you want a team to actually stay in LA and make a lot of money, you need to rebuild. LA needs a dome stadium with a ton of luxury boxes. Much like the Staples Center with 3 levels of luxury boxes. If they build this, teams will come. Reno the Coliseum should not be the answer to the solution.

I stated that it will be a brand new Coliseum, not a renovated one.

The stadium is a historical landmark, which has been a problem. So the plans are the gut the insides of the stadium, leaving the outter walls and peristyle. A brand new, state of the art stadium will be built inside of the walls.

There is not going to be a dome stadium built in LA. I can't think of any good reasons to build one. The weather in LA is perfect. Pro and college football has been played in LA since the 1920s or so without a dome stadium.

Here is an artist drawing of what the new stadium may look like. I'm not sure if this is official or not.

http://users.california.com/~csuppes/NCAA/Pac10/USC/newinterior.jpg

[boltaneer]

I could see San Diego to LA...

There are three viable options in San Diego county right now. The incompetent government of the city has blown any chance for a new stadium at the current Qualcomm site but it's looking like Oceanside, Chula Vista and National City are the possibilities now (in that order).

The Chargers have been free to talk to any city that they want to since the beginning of the year but haven't done so. PR talk or not, they have stated for several years now that they wish to stay in San Diego. Unless something drastically changes, we're looking at one of those cities above as the new stadium site.

[maven]

I stated that it will be a brand new Coliseum, not a renovated one.

The stadium is a historical landmark, which has been a problem. So the plans are the gut the insides of the stadium, leaving the outter walls and peristyle. A brand new, state of the art stadium will be built inside of the walls.

There is not going to be a dome stadium built in LA. I can't think of any good reasons to build one. The weather in LA is perfect. Pro and college football has been played in LA since the 1920s or so without a dome stadium.

Here is an artist drawing of what the new stadium may look like. I'm not sure if this is official or not.

http://users.california.com/~csuppes/NCAA/Pac10/USC/newinterior.jpg

I don't see a roof or retract roof with a/c and 3 levels of luxury boxes. The historical landmark designation is el sucko. Give it to the Trojans, and build a brand new stadium with a/c and levels upon levels of luxury boxes. I'm not referring to the weather in LA, but corporate & people with $$$.

[GoHAM]

The Nola team led by Tom Benson was primed to move the team to SA or possibly LA, but Katrina got in the way. We'll see what happens in 2010(I believe the lease expires to the superdome).

100 percent correct. Benson and the Saints were posturing for the LA move with SA thrown in as leverage prior to Katrina. Katrina threw a giant monkey wrench into Benson's plans to move to LA and the fat payday waiting him. If Katrina had not devastated NO and thereby turned the saints into NO's icon of rebirth and hope a stadium deal would probably already be signed and delivered. As it is the renewed support for the Saint's caused the NFL to pull back on it's plans until a suitable team is selected for relocation. I don't think the NFL is truly considering expansion as the current 32 team configuration is too "perfect" from a division breakdown and scheduling format. Although from the talent perspective I agree w/ Slap, the talent esp. at QB is too watered down currently.

[Bronco Billy]

I stated that it will be a brand new Coliseum, not a renovated one.

The stadium is a historical landmark, which has been a problem. So the plans are the gut the insides of the stadium, leaving the outter walls and peristyle. A brand new, state of the art stadium will be built inside of the walls.




Chicago had the same issue with Soldier Field being a landmark. I just hope they don't try to build an ultra-futuristic facility that totally contrasts to the outer, historical frame of the stadium. The artist rendition looked decent though.

[maven]

100 percent correct. Benson and the Saints were posturing for the LA move with SA thrown in as leverage prior to Katrina. Katrina threw a giant monkey wrench into Benson's plans to move to LA and the fat payday waiting him. If Katrina had not devastated NO and thereby turned the saints into NO's icon of rebirth and hope a stadium deal would probably already be signed and delivered. As it is the renewed support for the Saint's caused the NFL to pull back on it's plans until a suitable team is selected for relocation. I don't think the NFL is truly considering expansion as the current 32 team configuration is too "perfect" from a division breakdown and scheduling format. Although from the talent perspective I agree w/ Slap, the talent esp. at QB is too watered down currently.

Good post

I also believe the NFL is not considering expansion, but relocation of teams. The talent at the QB is definately watered down. This position is the most marketable position in football. A rook like Jay Cutler can leap into top 5 of the AFC if he performs well after only 1 season.

[maven]

Chicago had the same issue with Soldier Field being a landmark. I just hope they don't try to build an ultra-futuristic facility that totally contrasts to the outer, historical frame of the stadium. The artist rendition looked decent though.

That stadium is old. The coliseum is what, 20 something years old. There's no legacy or of no great games played there. Give that stadium to the Trojans and build a brand new stadium for the NFL. Though costly in the short-term, this makes absolute sense in the long-term in bringing an NFL franchise to LA.

[Jason in LA]

That stadium is old. The coliseum is what, 20 something years old. There's no legacy or of no great games played there. Give that stadium to the Trojans and build a brand new stadium for the NFL. Though costly in the short-term, this makes absolute sense in the long-term in bringing an NFL franchise to LA.

I'm not sure if you are joking or not.

In case you really think the Coliseum is only 20 years old, I'll have to set the record straight on that. The Coliseum was built in 1923, has hosted a few Super Bowls, two Olympics, and a number of historic games. It's one of the most famous stadiums in the world. The legacy is as great as just about any other stadium.

Here is some more info on the stadium.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Memorial_Coliseum

[maven]

I'm not sure if you are joking or not.

In case you really think the Coliseum is only 20 years old, I'll have to set the record straight on that. The Coliseum was built in 1923, has hosted a few Super Bowls, two Olympics, and a number of historic games. It's one of the most famous stadiums in the world. The legacy is as great as just about any other stadium.

Here is some more info on the stadium.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Memorial_Coliseum

I know. Somtimes it is time to move on. I'm serious though, they should move onto another stadium in LA. Yankee stadium will be demolished. Not sure with Fenway, but it's due. The Coliseum is due. What I suggest is better for an NFL team long-term rather than "another" reno job to the coliseum.

[Jason in LA]

I don't see a roof or retract roof with a/c and 3 levels of luxury boxes. The historical landmark designation is el sucko. Give it to the Trojans, and build a brand new stadium with a/c and levels upon levels of luxury boxes. I'm not referring to the weather in LA, but corporate & people with $$$.

I still can't see the need to build a dome, or a stadium with a retractible roof. The idea is actually kind of silly, and a big waste of money. The corporate sponsers will pay big bucks with the plans the way they are.

I would be shocked if there was ever a plan for a stadium with a roof. Anaheim is also in the running. I'm pretty sure their plans for a new stadium doesn't have a roof.

A/C isn't a big deal in LA. When it is 72 degrees outside, why would there be a need to have A/C to make the stadium 72 degrees? There isn't much rain. No humidity. It isn't hot, and it isn't cold. Why in the world would they need a dome? That would be a huge waste of money.

[Jason in LA]

I know. Somtimes it is time to move on. I'm serious though, they should move onto another stadium in LA. Yankee stadium will be demolished. Not sure with Fenway, but it's due. The Coliseum is due. What I suggest is better for an NFL team long-term rather than "another" reno job to the coliseum.

Do you understand that it will be a brand new Coliseum, not a Coliseum with a face left that they did back in the early '90s?

I'm having a hard time following your logic with this one.

[maven]

I still can't see the need to build a dome, or a stadium with a retractible roof. The idea is actually kind of silly, and a big waste of money. The corporate sponsers will pay big bucks with the plans the way they are.

I would be shocked if there was ever a plan for a stadium with a roof. Anaheim is also in the running. I'm pretty sure their plans for a new stadium doesn't have a roof.

A/C isn't a big deal in LA. When it is 72 degrees outside, why would there be a need to have A/C to make the stadium 72 degrees? There isn't much rain. No humidity. It isn't hot, and it isn't cold. Why in the world would they need a dome? That would be a huge waste of money.

Rain is a big joke in socal. OMG, it's going to rain the next two days. Local news has gone haywire. I'm mainly referring to keeping the temperature controlled & massive luxury boxes. The dome or retract with a brand new stadium is the answer. It should've been built in Denver. And it should be built in LA. There's no plans for a new stadium, heck the Olympic committee for future games should say it all. How many makeshifts & future makeshift can you do to a stadium? I don't know why LA is stuck with the coliseum, they should move on and build the ultimate stadium. Never will happen though... Though I believe this would be in their best interest.

[maven]

I'm having a hard time following your logic with this one.

Reno doesn't work no matter how much money you pour into an existing structure.

[Jason in LA]

Reno doesn't work no matter how much money you pour into an existing structure.

You are not understanding this. It is not a renovation project. It will be a brand new, state of the art stadium. It will be the latest and greatest stadium in the NFL...until a new lastest and great stadium is built somewhere else.

They will not just fix the stadium up like they did 15 years ago. They are building a brand new stadium. The stadium will be on par, if not better, than all of the other new stadiums in the NFL.

[Jason in LA]

Rain is a big joke in socal. OMG, it's going to rain the next two days. Local news has gone haywire. I'm mainly referring to keeping the temperature controlled & massive luxury boxes. The dome or retract with a brand new stadium is the answer. It should've been built in Denver. And it should be built in LA. There's no plans for a new stadium, heck the Olympic committee for future games should say it all. How many makeshifts & future makeshift can you do to a stadium? I don't know why LA is stuck with the coliseum, they should move on and build the ultimate stadium. Never will happen though... Though I believe this would be in their best interest.


Okay, I'm at the point that I think I'm talking to a child.

Think of it like this. Every stadium in Los Angeles...hell, every stadium in Southern California...wait, I'll take it one step further, every stadium in the damn state is an out door stadium. There are no weather issues in any of them. Well, it can get a little windy in San Francisco, but that's it.

The Chargers play outdoors without a problem. Their weather is exacty the same as the weather in LA. It's perfect.

The Padres just built a new stadium. No doom or roof. There is no need for one.

Luxury boxes are usually closed off, so if the corporate sponsers want some A/C, they can have it.

What are you talking about there are no plans for a new stadium? Of course there are. My newspaper had the city councilman Bernard Parks in for a meeting. He is the head of the Coliseum Commission. He personally told me about the plans for the new Coliseum. He told me a lot of other infomation about the NFL coming to LA, as he is one of the key figures to bring a team back.

You are not getting it. There will not be any "makeshifts" to the current Coliseum. Damn near the entire stadium will be torn down and a brand new, state of the art stadium will be built.

It is the smartest thing for the NFL to do. Name me a better idea for LA.

[TheChamp24]

And the Broncos made a mistake by not making Invesco have a dome or retractable roof? Football was made to be played outside in the weather. I hate domes and don't think they should belong in football.
Oh, is it snowing? Then put on your sweatshirts boys and girls, its going to be one heck of a game!

[Killericon]

Toronto should get one. Not only is the city huge, but you instantly tap the entire nation's worth of fans. Don't bring up the Raptors or the Blue Jays(Even though they're doing alright) as counter examples. Baseball and Basketball are not Canadian sports. Football on the other hand...Ask Doug Flutie or Jeff Garcia or Andre Rison about that. The Toronto Argonauts average 32,000 fans a game. FOR A CFL TEAM! 1/3 of Buffalo Bills season ticket owners are Torontonians who just make the drive.

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/_photos/2006/11/19/greycup.jpg

2nd oldest trophy in North American sports.

Of course, I'm biased, but I maintain that Toronto is the best untapped market in North America for the NFL.

[DB84FAN]

There are three viable options in San Diego county right now. The incompetent government of the city has blown any chance for a new stadium at the current Qualcomm site but it's looking like Oceanside, Chula Vista and National City are the possibilities now (in that order).

The Chargers have been free to talk to any city that they want to since the beginning of the year but haven't done so. PR talk or not, they have stated for several years now that they wish to stay in San Diego. Unless something drastically changes, we're looking at one of those cities above as the new stadium site.

we are not asking for people to come and clean the facility, we are looking for people to attend the football games. And National city and Chula Vista are getting filled with mexicans... , i wouldn't be surprised if the border is pushed further and san diego becomes a part of mexico....

Move SD to LA and NO to Richmond/Norfolk area and Buf to Omaha/Des monies.

San Antonio, that place is a piece of s**t. Dirty water let into the city and say that is a river. There is nothing there. I can see a team in Austin, but not in san antonio.

I like 32 teams and there is no talent to sometimes fill the teams. So why expand more... i think 32 is fine.

Sactown is a better choice for any team than memphis, portland, san antonio and albequeque

[DB84FAN]

Toronto is the best untapped market in North America for the NFL.

Though the funny dollar has come a long way from where it was. Still that is a difference and i dont think they can fill more than 60k fans. So i dont see the point. What Buffalo makes today, it will take toronto 10 more years. So lets lay that thought to rest. And if that is the case... lol to mexico city.

[Hogan11]

Toronto should get one. Not only is the city huge, but you instantly tap the entire nation's worth of fans. Don't bring up the Raptors or the Blue Jays(Even though they're doing alright) as counter examples. Baseball and Basketball are not Canadian sports. Football on the other hand...Ask Doug Flutie or Jeff Garcia or Andre Rison about that. The Toronto Argonauts average 32,000 fans a game. FOR A CFL TEAM! 1/3 of Buffalo Bills season ticket owners are Torontonians who just make the drive.

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/_photos/2006/11/19/greycup.jpg

2nd oldest trophy in North American sports.

Of course, I'm biased, but I maintain that Toronto is the best untapped market in North America for the NFL.

You'll never see it happen. The Skydome only seats something like 56 someodd thousand for football games. There's also exchange rate problems and then there's this unique hurdle : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Football_Act

There's no way....no way the Canadian Goverment will allow anything that will threaten to take fans away from the CFL, so having a franchise that goes head to head against the Argos there is nothing but pure fantasy. case closed.

[400HZ]

A few million dollars is chump change. Spanos has already tossed out a few million for SD County stadium prospects. The hurdle is getting the $800-$1Billion that a state of the art stadium costs. There is no f'ing way that the city of L.A. is gonna put that up. There is no f'ing way that the NFL is gonna put that up. The only way a stadium gets built/renovated/whatever in L.A. is if the city somehow ****s $800m-$1b worth of compensation to an NFL franchise. You think that is gonna happen in LA? If you do, then wake up cuz you're dreaming. The Los Angeles local government is even worse than the SD local government, and the SD government is horrible!

[Rohirrim]

I'm sure they could build a stadium within the Colisseum without messing with the shell. The thing is massive. It holds, what, 106,000 people? Not counting the huge, olympic track around the football field. I went to Rams games there and Broncos games when the Faders played there. The only thing I argue with is the location. The Harbor Freeway tends to get clogged up pretty quickly. Imagine if a football game is getting out the same time as people are heading to a Dodger game at Chavez Ravine, right up the road? Like I said, the juncture of the 405, the 110 and the 91 would be the smart place to put it.

[Jana®]

Denver doesnt deserve the Broncos....Casper Wyoming does ;D
:pfbbt:

I think California has enough football teams, but they do need a decent one! ^5

I say bring one to LA.

[RkyMtnThunder]

Arizona was a mistake to begin with, as soon as their contract is up and LA still doesn't have team expect a move.

Change is inevitable, especially if more money can be made.

I still doubt it. The Bidwells fought for years to get a new stadium built in AZ and could have tried to move to LA on more than one occasion but held out (mainly due to the stadium issue - they wanted a new one, LA couldnt commit to that at the times the cards were allegedly hearing move offers)

as of now, they (Cards) have the premier NFL facility in the entire league. They have the superbowl this season and likely every 3 years for the foreseeable future. Phoenix is the 5th largest city/market in the US while LA is the 2nd so there really isnt a massive gap there. (like say....Jax vs. LA)

I just dont see the Cards moving to LA. Not anymore at least.


Nor do I see either Chargers or Raiders going through a name/logo change and move ala Cleveland to Baltimore.

I think LA is probably going to get an expansion team. But I doubt one of each conference like Arnie had said he would like to see.

Curious how that would work with 16 teams in 1 conf and 17 in the other?

[Jason in LA]

A few million dollars is chump change. Spanos has already tossed out a few million for SD County stadium prospects. The hurdle is getting the $800-$1Billion that a state of the art stadium costs. There is no f'ing way that the city of L.A. is gonna put that up. There is no f'ing way that the NFL is gonna put that up. The only way a stadium gets built/renovated/whatever in L.A. is if the city somehow ****s $800m-$1b worth of compensation to an NFL franchise. You think that is gonna happen in LA? If you do, then wake up cuz you're dreaming. The Los Angeles local government is even worse than the SD local government, and the SD government is horrible!

The NFL will be in LA soon enough. Just watch.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

A few million dollars is chump change. Spanos has already tossed out a few million for SD County stadium prospects. The hurdle is getting the $800-$1Billion that a state of the art stadium costs. There is no f'ing way that the city of L.A. is gonna put that up. There is no f'ing way that the NFL is gonna put that up. The only way a stadium gets built/renovated/whatever in L.A. is if the city somehow ****s $800m-$1b worth of compensation to an NFL franchise. You think that is gonna happen in LA? If you do, then wake up cuz you're dreaming. The Los Angeles local government is even worse than the SD local government, and the SD government is horrible!

If Spanos is anything like his old man he will make those promises and funnel all of the money back to himself through a series of shell corporations that will declare bankrupcy as soon as Spanos wipes them clean.

[Jason in LA]

I'm sure they could build a stadium within the Colisseum without messing with the shell. The thing is massive. It holds, what, 106,000 people? Not counting the huge, olympic track around the football field. I went to Rams games there and Broncos games when the Faders played there. The only thing I argue with is the location. The Harbor Freeway tends to get clogged up pretty quickly. Imagine if a football game is getting out the same time as people are heading to a Dodger game at Chavez Ravine, right up the road? Like I said, the juncture of the 405, the 110 and the 91 would be the smart place to put it.


The track has been gone since the early '90s, and it now holds about 91,000.

I shot a USC and UCLA game on the same day. That same day there was a Dodgers game, and a Kings game that night. USC started at 12:30. I think the Dodgers started around 2. Both of those games were sellouts. UCLA started around 4:30. I didn't have too much of a problem driving around the downtown area that day.

The land near the 405, 110, and 91 is being used to build a shopping mall. Carson dropped out a while ago and decided to use the land for the mall.

The traffic issues have always been there, but it hasn't stopped fans from showing up at the games.

[RkyMtnThunder]

The NFL will be in LA soon enough. Just watch.

Agreed - its going to happen sooner than later

Jason - you being in LA, do you think the local fans want a team badly? Or is it the NFL who wants a team out there more?

It seems you guys in LA have managed to live without for a while now. Not saying there isnt a rabid NFL fan base out there, but in the same light Los Angelenos seem to be doing fine without

?

[Jason in LA]

Agreed - its going to happen sooner than later

Jason - you being in LA, do you think the local fans want a team badly? Or is it the NFL who wants a team out there more?

It seems you guys in LA have managed to live without for a while now. Not saying there isnt a rabid NFL fan base out there, but in the same light Los Angelenos seem to be doing fine without

?

People have been fine without a team because there are a ton of transplants who still root for their home team. But there are a ton of fans who are dying to get a team, even though the perception is the opposite. Direct TV has been great for the football fans in LA. What ever team moves here won't have any problems selling out a 65,000 seat stadium.

[El Minion]

I still doubt it. The Bidwells fought for years to get a new stadium built in AZ and could have tried to move to LA on more than one occasion but held out (mainly due to the stadium issue - they wanted a new one, LA couldnt commit to that at the times the cards were allegedly hearing move offers)

as of now, they (Cards) have the premier NFL facility in the entire league. They have the superbowl this season and likely every 3 years for the foreseeable future. Phoenix is the 5th largest city/market in the US while LA is the 2nd so there really isnt a massive gap there. (like say....Jax vs. LA)

I just dont see the Cards moving to LA. Not anymore at least.


Nor do I see either Chargers or Raiders going through a name/logo change and move ala Cleveland to Baltimore.

I think LA is probably going to get an expansion team. But I doubt one of each conference like Arnie had said he would like to see.

Curious how that would work with 16 teams in 1 conf and 17 in the other?

The reason no teams moved in the past was that the NFl blinked when they tried to force LA to subsidize a new or remodeled stadium for billionaire owners. Arizona's premier NFL facility is only as good as Bidwell keep filling the stadium with corporate interests of Arizona.

Just say no to expansion. Unfortunately Jax may be the team to move to LA. The league, though, is going to have to change division from something other than the AFC South if they do move to LA.

[RkyMtnThunder]

The reason no teams moved in the past was that the NFl blinked when they tried to force LA to subsidize a new or remodeled stadium for billionaire owners. Arizona's premier NFL facility is only as good as Bidwell keep filling the stadium with corporate interests of Arizona.

Just say no to expansion. Unfortunately Jax may be the team to move to LA. The league, though, is going to have to change division from something other than the AFC South if they do move to LA.

The NFL wants teams in all major markets. Moving the Cards to LA is robbing peter to pay paul. Now you have a team in #2 market but a hole in #5. I just dont see it happening, especially now with a new stadium and rekindking fan support.

I can see Jax moving though

[Bronco Billy]

The NFL wants teams in all major markets. Moving the Cards to LA is robbing peter to pay paul. Now you have a team in #2 market but a hole in #5. I just dont see it happening, especially now with a new stadium and rekindking fan support.

I can see Jax moving though

The L.A. Jags does have a certain ring to it!

[-Slap-]

**** domes.

[Bronco LB 59]

**** domes.

That's why Indianapolis is second on my list to lose their team, new stadium or not. That city stole a classic NFL team that used to play in the mud at Baltimore Memorial and now they play under a roof on some rug.

I loved when Unitas disassociated his affiliation with the Irsays and the franchise after the move.

[gunns]

The problem with LA and it is the same in Miami is these are cities that have a multitude of other activities and they don't always fill up their stadiums.

I'm one that wants no more expansion as it would dilute the league as far as players and support. But to I would die to get a team in SLC. While many feel SLC wouldn't support the team as the games are played on Sunday this isn't necessarily true. SLC isn't majority Mormons. Many fans also come from around the region.The Jazz fill up their arena for Sunday games. Utah fans are so desperate for things to do that they fill up the Jazz arena, the Arena football team, Salt Lake Real, the minor league baseball team and strongly support the college teams.