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Billy Clyde Puckett
05-08-2007, 05:21 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_5841001

A dirty business
A Princeton dropout goes into business only to find himself the target of a lawsuit.
By Al Lewis Denver Post Staff Columnist
Article Last Updated: 05/07/2007 11:53:14 PM MDT


I ate at Smith & Wollensky in midtown Manhattan with a 25-year-old entrepreneur who has been trying to corner the market in worm scat.

"Worm poop is our core," said Tom Szaky, CEO of TerraCycle Inc., a Trenton, N.J.-based maker of organic plant foods.

He told me he has a billion red worms eating scraps from Princeton University's dining hall. They excrete 3 to 4 tons of worm waste each day.

This waste is then liquefied, poured into relabeled soda pop bottles and sold as plant food at Home Depot, Wal-Mart, Target, Wild Oats and other fine stores.

As we ate our steaks, Szaky placed his bottles on the table. They are the result of a long journey. Szaky's parents, both medical doctors, emigrated

TerraCycle of Trenton, N.J., collects scat from a billion worms and packages it in recycled, relabeled pop bottles. (AP / Mel Evans)from Hungary to Canada in the 1980s and eventually sent their son to Princeton.
One day, though, he visited friends in Montreal, and those plans changed. Szaky said his friends were growing plants in their basement.

"Hmm. What kind of plants do college kids grow in basements?" I asked.

"Use your imagination," he said.

Szaky said he inquired as to how these plants grew so big and leafy. "My buddy said, 'Oh, I started feeding them worm poop about three weeks ago."

From there, Szaky became obsessed with the economics, not of subterranean horticulture, but of worm poop. "I got my friends in a dorm room and we wrote a business plan on how we'd corner the market on worm poop," he said.

Szaky soon maxed out his credit cards and dropped out of Prince ton, just to harvest this stuff. He couldn't find venture capital - imagine that - but he was able to finance his dream by winning several business-plan writing contests.

Creating the manufacturing and packaging processes and landing his products in stores nationwide were no small feats.

His company now employs 33 people plus seasonal help in a blighted inner- city area. It had $1.5 million in sales last year. It's on track to do $6 million this year, and Szaky hopes to hit $15 million in 2008 with help from a new product: fireplace "logs" made from garbage.

TerraCycle operates from a graffiti- coated building in an enterprise zone. To keep the peace, Szaky allows local artists to tag his factory as long as their work is not offensive or gang-related.

"Who used your building before?" I asked, wondering what business could have fallen on such hard times as to become an outhouse for a billion worms.

"It was a newspaper distribution building," Szaky said. "The Dec. 12 New York Times was the last paper to come out of there."

Oh.

So I guess Szaky has earned his place as the worm-scat magnate. Unfortunately, such success is not only lauded but litigated.

The Scotts Miracle-Gro Co. has sued TerraCycle, claiming the startup copied its packaging and falsely advertises that its plant food is superior. Scotts has $7 billion in annual sales and commands 59 percent of the plant food market, but now its products are sold beside TerraCycle.

"If you are going to claim superiority, you ought to be able to back up that claim," said Scotts' spokesman Jim King.

TerraCycle - which Szaky said spent all of $1,000 on advertising this year - has touted a Rutgers University study that showed its worm poop outperforming the "leading synthetic plant food."

Scotts has demanded to see this study, but TerraCycle won't provide it. Conversely, Szaky said Scotts refuses to hand over studies it claims show Miracle-Gro as superior. "Why would we give over our research to them when they're not going to give theirs to us?" Szaky said. "They're just going to have their paid scientists rip them apart."

Miracle-Gro comes in a newly minted bottle. TerraCycle comes in pop bottles gathered by fundraising schoolchildren that are then clumsily shrink- wrapped.

Both companies use green - the color of plants - and yellow, a primary color. And this is the basis for Scotts' claim that TerraCycle copied its packaging?

"No one is allowed to monopolize necessary colors," said Wendy Seltzer, a visiting law professor at Brooklyn Law School and the founder of www.chillingeffects.org, a clearinghouse of information on trademark infringement claims.

Nor would it be unusual for two plant-food makers to depict plants on their packages, she said. It's like putting pictures of dogs on dog food.

Still, a company has got to protect its property.

"It is not uncommon for a consumer- products company to be assertive in protecting its trade dress," King said.

Trademark law is designed to prevent companies from confusing consumers with similar packaging, he added.

"This is more about the fact that we're taking shelf space at Home Depot and Wal-Mart ... than customer confusion," Szaky said.

There is indeed a fine line between companies protecting their trademarks and using courts to bully competitors.

Scotts has the legal resources to bury Szaky's worm farm. Szaky, meanwhile, is taking his story to the press and raising money for an expensive legal battle at suedbyscotts.com.

Without providing specifics, King told me that Szaky knows what he needs to do if he would like to settle.

Szaky told me he had no idea what King was saying, claiming Scotts has rebuffed requests for discussions.

"I would love a phone call from them," he said.

It's not so easy running a worm farm. You might call it a world of scat.

watermock
05-08-2007, 05:36 PM
Geeze Scotts, why not just have a heavyweght worm scat showdown?

It very well could be that organic fertilizer is better than nitrates based from guess where?

We use chicken manure for fertilizer, you just have to get it a little less acidic. I'm not finding that out. We also sold corn to Tyson as well as playing with their "scat". I'll sign the L.L.C. papers but I'm not spreading chicken manure.

I'm sure worm scat is probably even more nutritious. What Scott's is afraid of is that the organic worm scat will blow away their natural gas based nitrogen.

Bronco_Beerslug
05-08-2007, 05:47 PM
Ah, corporate America stepping on the little guy. This one ought to be easy enough to solve. Lets have a plant off and see whose sh*t is the best.

watermock
05-08-2007, 05:53 PM
Miracle-Gro comes in a newly minted bottle. TerraCycle comes in pop bottles gathered by fundraising schoolchildren that are then clumsily shrink- wrapped.

Both companies use green - the color of plants - and yellow, a primary color. And this is the basis for Scotts' claim that TerraCycle copied its packaging?


Why wouldn't you confuse the color green with a Scott's product, especially when it's clumsily shrink wrapped in plastic pop bottles by children recycling?. Everyone knows that Scott's Miracle Grow has a patent on green and the picture of a plant.

Give me a break. Scotts is trying to litigate them out of business.

Rohirrim
05-08-2007, 05:54 PM
I'm going to look for them on the web. That sounds like it would do wonders for my tomatoes.

broncosteven
05-08-2007, 05:55 PM
Personally I would have gone with Orange & Blue packaging over an established Green & Yellow by Scotts.

It sucks to be a small threat.

Rohirrim
05-08-2007, 05:56 PM
Cool! I looked it up. It sells in every Home Depot and Target in my neighborhood.

watermock
05-08-2007, 06:01 PM
Give me a break.

http://www.terracycle.net/img/products/ap_finished.jpg

http://www.terracycle.net/all_purpose.htm

broncosteven
05-08-2007, 06:31 PM
Give me a break.

http://www.terracycle.net/img/products/ap_finished.jpg

http://www.terracycle.net/all_purpose.htm

Scotts has fertilizers in bottles. Maybe they think they own that patent! LOL

orangeatheist
05-08-2007, 06:31 PM
http://www.lovethegarden.com/gardening/images/mgfeed_montage1.jpg

I see the resembalence, but it isn't astounding or what I would consider a copyright infringement.

However, I'll check my local Home Depot. If they have the TerraCycle, I'm buying it. If Scotts wants to play in the Free Market, let them play.

Rohirrim
05-08-2007, 06:33 PM
I wonder if anybody carries bat guano? I've heard that's some killer fertilizer.

Bronco_Beerslug
05-08-2007, 06:40 PM
I wonder if anybody carries bat guano? I've heard that's some killer fertilizer.
http://www.biconet.com/soil/batguano.html

http://homeharvest.com/guano.htm

http://www.cleanairgardening.com/batguano.html

http://search.ebay.com/bat-guano_W0QQfnuZ1QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ3QQxpufuZx

cutthemdown
05-08-2007, 06:42 PM
I wonder if anybody carries bat guano? I've heard that's some killer fertilizer.

I don't know but there is enough B/S thrown around this place to fertilize the whole State of Colorado.

Rohirrim
05-08-2007, 06:43 PM
I don't know but there is enough B/S thrown around this place to fertilize the whole State of Colorado.

And you've done your share. ;D

watermock
05-08-2007, 06:49 PM
Baked beans have red cans.

Seagull guana is still mined but running out.

Hotrod
05-08-2007, 06:50 PM
Why would Scotts not just go to PETA for the unethical over working of worms?

Billy Clyde Puckett
05-08-2007, 06:53 PM
I am actually going to buy some of this stuff for my tomatoes.

It's not a political or big company vs. small company thing. I just don't like pesticides and herbicides. The ties to cancer especially herbicides is amazing. The frequency among farmer of brain tumors exceeds any other demographic.

-Slap-
05-08-2007, 06:53 PM
The nastiest trademark litigation is over handbags. Louis Vuitton is the most notorious when it comes to trying to sue people back to the stone age over alleged copyright infringement.

I go through a lot of Miracle Grow every year, so I guess I should read up on this.

NYBronco
05-08-2007, 06:57 PM
I'll buy some to help the little guy.

watermock
05-08-2007, 07:07 PM
People should realize worms are not fish food that can be picked up here in Iowa by the thousands after a strong rain. They areate the sole so it isn't hardpack.

Earthworms are aboslutely a crucial natural "critter"...or something. I know they are great for the soil. I'm not a great agronomist but I know a little.

Kaylore
05-08-2007, 07:47 PM
Buy worm poop!:thumbsup:

broncosteven
05-09-2007, 10:04 AM
Buy worm poop!:thumbsup:

You can also buy my poop if you want it! Name your price.

-Slap-
05-09-2007, 10:07 AM
You can also buy my poop if you want it! Name your price.

Will you deliver it in a flaming bag to the doorsteps of my enemies?

broncosteven
05-09-2007, 10:14 AM
Will you deliver it in a flaming bag to the doorsteps of my enemies?

That will cost extra. But may waive the fee if you have Gonzo's address.

LOL

-Slap-
05-09-2007, 10:22 AM
That will cost extra. But may waive the fee if you have Gonzo's address.

LOL

Forget the doorstep, just throw it in his hair.

Rascal
05-09-2007, 11:13 AM
Sweet...this stuff is sold in Walmart, Target, and Home Depot in my area.

broncosteven
05-09-2007, 01:24 PM
Hmmm....all this talk about making poo, bottling poo, & flinging poo got me thinking.

I wonder if worms eat peanuts or corn?

Is Fiber added to the mixture so the worms are more regular?

Cito Pelon
05-09-2007, 08:15 PM
Ya, hell with Scott's. This worm offal sounds great. Matter of fact, in my garden the main object is to produce worms and crawlers just for the fact that they turn the soil and their offal is good fertilizer. I use fish emulsion liquid and pellets, mulch, wood ash, the dried grass I thatch out of the lawn in the spring and tamale husks, work that all in to the soil.

The fact is, Scott's actually reduces the # of worms in the soil.

Bronco_Beerslug
05-09-2007, 09:33 PM
OK, just checked this sh*t out. $3.92 for a 20 oz bottle. Recommended feeding for a 13-16 inch pot is 4-6 ounces so this is more for houseplants than outside apparently. Maybe they sell larger containers for outside but they didn't have anything else @ Home Depot. All my plants are outside so this sh*t won't work for me.

WoodMan
05-09-2007, 09:58 PM
I bought some of this stuff today and the sprayer quit working within about 30 seconds, so I had to pour it onto the plants, and of course they got way too much I figure. Crap product IMO, but hey I have an empty plastic pop bottle to dispose of.

Spider
05-09-2007, 10:13 PM
hell I tried to grow a cactus once damn thing died .......... reminded me of when my pet rock ran away ......... depressing

broncosteven
05-10-2007, 01:03 PM
hell I tried to grow a cactus once damn thing died .......... reminded me of when my pet rock ran away ......... depressing

Pet rocks ROCK!