Terrorist Plot Foiled in New Jersey

[Rohirrim]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/08/fortdix.plot/index.html

Good police work.

[maher_tyler]

Good to see people report things that just don't seem right...9 times outta 10 if it doesn't look right it most likely isn't!!

[Garcia Bronco]

Send those guys to gitmo and cut their balls off.

[Pseudofool]

WTF? Six guys were planning an attack on a US Army Fort on US Soil? I applaud the police efforts, but their plan seems a bit--what's the word I'm looking for--unfeasible? No. Their plan seems utterly perpostious.

These aren't the AQ variety of terrorists. These are the kind of guys who get caught in airport security with lead wieghts in their pockets.

[Spider]

attacking a Military base ?
gee I should take my 18 wheeler and see how many motorcycles I can jump

[watermock]

Regardless if you think they are incompetent or not, I don't mean to sound McCarthyist, but we have keep our home guard up.

It doenn't matter if they were incompetent. The fact is they had bad intentions.

[Rohirrim]

WTF? Six guys were planning an attack on a US Army Fort on US Soil? I applaud the police efforts, but their plan seems a bit--what's the word I'm looking for--unfeasible? No. Their plan seems utterly perpostious.

These aren't the AQ variety of terrorists. These are the kind of guys who get caught in airport security with lead wieghts in their pockets.

Not really. Ft. Dix is a training base. Or at least it used to be. Even if you see a hundred troops marching along in formation carrying M16s, they have no ammo. I'm sure there's an armory on the fort somewhere, but it would take some time to arm anybody. The only people with live ammo on that base would be the MPs. They said one of the guys had been delivering pizzas at the fort for some time. So they knew the layout. And they knew that nobody was armed.

Six guys running through that base with AKs could have delivered a very nasty attack.

[Hotrod]

Not really. Ft. Dix is a training base. Or at least it used to be. Even if you see a hundred troops marching along in formation carrying M16s, they have no ammo. I'm sure there's an armory on the fort somewhere, but it would take some time to arm anybody. The only people with live ammo on that base would be the MPs. They said one of the guys had been delivering pizzas at the fort for some time. So they knew the layout. And they knew that nobody was armed.

Six guys running through that base with AKs could have delivered a very nasty attack.

100% correct.

[Hotrod]

attacking a Military base ?
gee I should take my 18 wheeler and see how many motorcycles I can jump

You'd be a shoe in for Youtube of the day.

[smalltowngrll]

Remember, they all could care less if they die. They wanted to do as much damage as possible. I'm thinking that six men with semi-automatic weapons and AK-47's could do plenty of damage. Maybe not as bad as 9/11, but any life lost at their hands is tragic. Glad we were able to get in and stop this before it took place. Interesting that some of the men were in the country illegally. Hmmmmm

[Spider]

Regardless if you think they are incompetent or not, I don't mean to sound McCarthyist, but we have keep our home guard up.

It doenn't matter if they were incompetent. The fact is they had bad intentions.

thats true look at Bush

[Spider]

You'd be a shoe in for Youtube of the day.

LOL ..........I bet you would download it and show everyone

[elsid13]

You'd be a shoe in for Youtube of the day.

Stop give him ideas.

[Spider]

Not really. Ft. Dix is a training base. Or at least it used to be. Even if you see a hundred troops marching along in formation carrying M16s, they have no ammo. I'm sure there's an armory on the fort somewhere, but it would take some time to arm anybody. The only people with live ammo on that base would be the MPs. They said one of the guys had been delivering pizzas at the fort for some time. So they knew the layout. And they knew that nobody was armed.

Six guys running through that base with AKs could have delivered a very nasty attack.

armed or not , the soldiers would rush the terrorist , the damage wouldnt be that bad .......

[elsid13]

armed or not , the soldiers would rush the terrorist , the damage wouldnt be that bad .......

Dude it would a lot worse then you think both on physical and nation's emotional level. There are very few armed individuals on military post/base.

[smalltowngrll]

armed or not , the soldiers would rush the terrorist , the damage wouldnt be that bad .......

How many deaths is 'not that bad'? Just curious, because if I was the mother of the only one that perished, the damage would be "That bad" if it could have been prevented. Just sayin'.

[cutthemdown]

armed or not , the soldiers would rush the terrorist , the damage wouldnt be that bad .......

I don't understand the thinking here. It's a good arrest. Even if these guys killed one soldier at a military base it's one to many. Cho murders a bunch of people and everyone bitches about police response. Police arrest some bad people planning bad things and all the liberals want to say it's no big deal. Saving lives is always a big deal. I thought preserving life is what this anti-war message is all about?

[Paladin]

MPs. I thought those boys and girls played rough. While there would be some early confusion, even a few wounded (unfortunately) I think the MPs would sort of jump their routes........

[watermock]

Yep, we infiltrate granted morons with bad intentions and it's Bush's fault of course.

[Paladin]

I don't understand the thinking here. It's a good arrest. Even if these guys killed one soldier at a military base it's one to many. Cho murders a bunch of people and everyone b****es about police response. Police arrest some bad people planning bad things and all the liberals want to say it's no big deal. Saving lives is always a big deal. I thought preserving life is what this anti-war message is all about?

Liberals? That"s plain asinine. POoliticians should be banned from the Mane Board. How come if people comment on a reality situation, they are "Liberals"? McCarthy, hawks and neocons didn't have many answers either, bud. You can KMA.

[cutthemdown]

How many deaths is 'not that bad'? Just curious, because if I was the mother of the only one that perished, the damage would be "That bad" if it could have been prevented. Just sayin'.

You don't need to codicil that with just sayin IMO. You are 100% correct.

[Paladin]

What a bunch of losers......

[cutthemdown]

Liberals? That"s plain asinine. POoliticians should be banned from the Mane Board. How come if people comment on a reality situation, they are "Liberals"? McCarthy, hawks and neocons didn't have many answers either, bud. You can KMA.

wow you are a real genius.

[Spider]

I don't understand the thinking here. It's a good arrest. Even if these guys killed one soldier at a military base it's one to many. Cho murders a bunch of people and everyone b****es about police response. Police arrest some bad people planning bad things and all the liberals want to say it's no big deal. Saving lives is always a big deal. I thought preserving life is what this anti-war message is all about?

learn to read , who said it wasnt big deal ? Just the Soldiers wouldnt do like the students at VA tech did ........... follow so far or pictures ?

[Spider]

Yep, we infiltrate granted morons with bad intentions and it's Bush's fault of course.

dont get snippy with me boy ...... never said Bush was at fault , just agree about incompetence........... you brought up the incompetence part not me ......

[cutthemdown]

What a bunch of losers......

I'd say feeling that people planning an attack on a military base as no big deal qualifies as a liberal attitude. Please tell me why you disagree.

[BMF Bronco]

I had the "pleasure" of going to Fort Dix when I was in the military for training, and at the time, it wasn't the most secure base in the world. As a matter of fact the barracks were backed by a dense forrest where anyone can sit, hide and pluck off soldiers at will and it would be very tough to find them. However, my military experience was prior to 9-11, so I imagine that the security is much better now.

[Spider]

How many deaths is 'not that bad'? Just curious, because if I was the mother of the only one that perished, the damage would be "That bad" if it could have been prevented. Just sayin'.

so why doesnt that apply to Iraq ? dont talk out the side of your neck on this ...... what happened the mantra , they are soldiers they know the risk ?
oh wait .Save a life how precious right ? but send them over to iraq ..... un ****ing real

[Paladin]

Jezus. this is an instance wherein six knuckleheads think they want to do some damage at a military fort. Now, it may be that if the thing had gone off, some deaths could have occurred, and that would have been extremely tragic, and I think a real shock to many Americans. I am glad it was turned in by a good observer, and the FBI and the NJ police were able to get the bad guys. NO QUESTION!!!

Then some wisasrse nutball comes in and lays a bunch of SHAT on "LIBERALS" is just over the top BS and is clearly an example of BS thinking. For that, YOU CAN KMA and go to the politics and religion board and spew your poison there.....

COMPRENDE?????

Freaking idiot.....

[Hotrod]

I had the "pleasure" of going to Fort Dix when I was in the military for training, and at the time, it wasn't the most secure base in the world. As a matter of fact the barracks were backed by a dense forrest where anyone can sit, hide and pluck off soldiers at will and it would be very tough to find them. However, my military experience was prior to 9-11, so I imagine that the security is much better now.

Thats what Im hoping as when I was in the Navy the bases were not exactly fort knox.

[smalltowngrll]

so why doesnt that apply to Iraq ? dont talk out the side of your neck on this ...... what happened the mantra , they are soldiers they know the risk ?
oh wait .Save a life how precious right ? but send them over to iraq ..... un ****ing real

This isn't even a similar situation as Iraq! Hello, we are at war on Iraqi soil, not American soil. Yes, those mothers who have lost children in Iraq are saying the same thing, and they aren't saying, "It's not that bad". I did not defend Iraq in any way. Just saying that EVERY life is precious and you cannot put a number on how 'bad' it is.

[Paladin]

I'd say feeling that people planning an attack on a military base as no big deal qualifies as a liberal attitude. Please tell me why you disagree.

BECAUSE, YOU DUM F*CK, NO ONE WANTS THIS COUNTRY TO BE ATTACKED OR AMERICANS KILLED... PERIOD. THAT'S NOT A "LIBERAL" OR CONSERVATIVE THOUGHT, THAT IS AN AMERICAN THOUGHT.

[Ratboy]

These guys would have to get on base first and without proper identification they would have been denied access. I know if i was on gate guard and they tried driving inside, i'd probably unload a few clips into them.

Meh, I'm not a gate guard.. yet.

[Spider]

This isn't even a similar situation as Iraq! Hello, we are at war on Iraqi soil, not American soil.
so much for fighting them over there

Yes, those mothers who have lost children in Iraq are saying the same thing, and they aren't saying, "It's not that bad". I did not defend Iraq in any way. Just saying that EVERY life is precious and you cannot put a number on how 'bad' it is.
and that has what to do with the casualty #'s wouldnt have been so high cause the soldiers would have faught back unlike the students @ VA ? My point is if you care so damn much about life , Iraq isnt the way to go , and you have defended Iraq in the past .......... Just wanting you to be consistent

[smalltowngrll]

so much for fighting them over there


and that has what to do with the casualty #'s wouldnt have been so high cause the soldiers would have faught back unlike the students @ VA ? My point is if you care so damn much about life , Iraq isnt the way to go , and you have defended Iraq in the past .......... Just wanting you to be consistent


Please read what I wrote. I did not say anything about the casualty numbers at VA tech vs. What they would have been here. I'm merely pointing out the fact that even if one person would have perished, they would have succeeded. I was responding to you:

armed or not , the soldiers would rush the terrorist , the damage wouldnt be that bad .......

Again, I only maintained one simple fact....one person perishing is bad enough. I'm glad they were stopped.

The other statements you refer to came from others on this thread...not me.

[Pendejo]

attacking a Military base ?
gee I should take my 18 wheeler and see how many motorcycles I can jump

Balls to that spider. I want to see how many sharks you can jump in your rig.

[Spider]

Please read what I wrote. I did not say anything about the casualty numbers at VA tech vs. What they would have been here. I'm merely pointing out the fact that even if one person would have perished, they would have succeeded. I was responding to you: you goof , I was talking about how the soldiers would have faught back , the soldiers would have faught these 6 guys , not run and hide .......



Again, I only maintained one simple fact....one person perishing is bad enough. I'm glad they were stopped. they would have been stopped either way , licky for them it was law enforcement and they didnt make it onto the base .... but again I said the casualty's wouldnt have been very high , cause the soldiers would have faught back ( I really hope it is clear this time ) not ran and hid .......

The other statements you refer to came from others on this thread...not me.

oh nice try , it was a while back on a different thread , you defended the war in Iraq , I just found it odd you wanted lives saved yet backed the war in Iraq ......

[Spider]

Balls to that spider. I want to see how many sharks you can jump in your rig.

LOL I dont like water sports ;D

[BMF Bronco]

These guys would have to get on base first and without proper identification they would have been denied access. I know if i was on gate guard and they tried driving inside, i'd probably unload a few clips into them.

Meh, I'm not a gate guard.. yet.

First off, at least one of them had the proper credentials, a pizza delivery car. And being a former gate guard, it's not hard to forge a copy of the authorized personnel list and add his buddies on. Second, as I previously mentioned, the main gate is not the only way to gain access to the base, hell there are wooded areas that are difficult to patrol out there, leaving unauthorized access not too difficult.

[footstepsfrom#27]

LOL...this board is so ridiculous at times. I bet if I posted, "Potato salad is good and I like blue" somebody will jump my *** with a negative response. Let's find out:

Potato salad is good...I like blue!

Flame away...;D

[Spider]

LOL...this board is so ridiculous at times. I bet if I posted, "Potato salad is good and I like blue" somebody will jump my *** with a negative response. Let's find out:

Potato salad is good...I like blue!

Flame away...;D

Blue ? WTF is wrong with you ? everyone knows Bright purple is the best ..... get out of here you commie ;D

[BMF Bronco]

shut up douche kill! Red is better!

[Spider]

shut up douche kill! Red is better!

you freaking commie .......... Bright purple helps fight pimples ........ you dont know what in the hell you are talking about

[Spider]

First off, at least one of them had the proper credentials, a pizza delivery car. And being a former gate guard, it's not hard to forge a copy of the authorized personnel list and add his buddies on. Second, as I previously mentioned, the main gate is not the only way to gain access to the base, hell there are wooded areas that are difficult to patrol out there, leaving unauthorized access not too difficult.

yeah I dont doubt they would have made it on base , I just doubt the damage they could have done ....... charing a military training base with 5 guys is just flat out stupid ...... specially now that anti terrorism training is part of the drill ......Besides I have a strong feeling that Mp's would live for that ... make my day stuff right there

[watermock]

LOL...this board is so ridiculous at times. I bet if I posted, "Potato salad is good and I like blue" somebody will jump my *** with a negative response. Let's find out:

Potato salad is good...I like blue!

Flame away...;D

If you wanted to eat blue potato salad I would be pleased actually.

[BMF Bronco]

yeah I dont doubt they would have made it on base , I just doubt the damage they could have done ....... charing a military training base with 5 guys is just flat out stupid ...... specially now that anti terrorism training is part of the drill ......Besides I have a strong feeling that Mp's would live for that ... make my day stuff right there

Oh there's no question the MP's would have loved it, that's what we lived for, any excitement whatsoever. However, my point is, I don't know if they would have "charged" the base as everyone is leaning towards. Like I said, they could have had habib the pizza boy drive on while they hid in the car, they could have altered the signature list, hell, they all could have been pizza boys and got on, met at Club Dix and began their massacre. I do agree they would have been stopped in a matter of an instant, but still, an attack on our own soil, a military base at that, and jsut the fact there would be dead Americans would give these jihaddists more motivation and a "moral victory".

[Rohirrim]

Anyway, kudos to the FBI and the New Joisey police department...



and finally, to the video clerk who alertly started this investigation. Let's hear it for the clerks!

http://www.avclub.com/content/files/images/Clerks.jpg

[Spider]

Oh there's no question the MP's would have loved it, that's what we lived for, any excitement whatsoever. However, my point is, I don't know if they would have "charged" the base as everyone is leaning towards. Like I said, they could have had habib the pizza boy drive on while they hid in the car, they could have altered the signature list, hell, they all could have been pizza boys and got on, met at Club Dix and began their massacre. I do agree they would have been stopped in a matter of an instant, but still, an attack on our own soil, a military base at that, and jsut the fact there would be dead Americans would give these jihaddists more motivation and a "moral victory".
I can see that ........moral victory ...

[Pseudofool]

The issue is how its being framed by the media. Is this plot foiled due to homeland security measures? Or woudl have been foiled long before these fools even purchased the weapons? I imagine the later. This shouldn't be framed as a victory in the War on Terrorism. It's a victory of good police work a system that's been established long before 9/11. The danger in this kind of publicity is that it doops the public into more Iraq Wars, more Patriot Acts, more Homeland Security funding, while our ports, coastlines and borders remain inadequetly protected. Obviously, the publicity is working given the outcry on this board.

Don't confuse PR for heroism.

[Spider]

The issue is how its being framed by the media. Is this plot foiled due to homeland security measures? Or woudl have been foiled long before these fools even purchased the weapons? I imagine the later. This shouldn't be framed as a victory in the War on Terrorism. It's a victory of good police work a system that's been established long before 9/11. The danger in this kind of publicity is that it doops the public into more Iraq Wars, more Patriot Acts, more Homeland Security funding, while our ports, coastlines and borders remain inadequetly protected. Obviously, the publicity is working given the outcry on this board.

Don't confuse PR for heroism.
watching hardball something about these guys being watched for a year ....... Shop owner still a hero though ........

[BMF Bronco]

I am just happy nothing went arwy!

[Spider]

I am just happy nothing went arwy!

:approve: agreed ....... but I would love to see the military get these guys ..... no doubt these guys are terrorist ........no mistaken identity here

[Los Broncos]

Good thing they caught em, good work.

[cutthemdown]

BECAUSE, YOU DUM ****, NO ONE WANTS THIS COUNTRY TO BE ATTACKED OR AMERICANS KILLED... PERIOD. THAT'S NOT A "LIBERAL" OR CONSERVATIVE THOUGHT, THAT IS AN AMERICAN THOUGHT.

Then why downplay the arrests as no big deal?

[Pseudofool]

Then why downplay the arrests as no big deal?

Is the truthiness of this headline much different? GROUP OF YOUNG MUSLIM'S HAIRBRAINED PLAN TO ATTACK MILITARY FORT FOILED BY AUTHORITIES IN EARLY STAGES

I really wonder how far along these guys had there plan. People are stupid; they talk big. If they didn't have date, a blueprint, or the firearms. I'm not sure this would have ever materialized into an attack.

[maher_tyler]

Oh there's no question the MP's would have loved it, that's what we lived for, any excitement whatsoever. However, my point is, I don't know if they would have "charged" the base as everyone is leaning towards. Like I said, they could have had habib the pizza boy drive on while they hid in the car, they could have altered the signature list, hell, they all could have been pizza boys and got on, met at Club Dix and began their massacre. I do agree they would have been stopped in a matter of an instant, but still, an attack on our own soil, a military base at that, and jsut the fact there would be dead Americans would give these jihaddists more motivation and a "moral victory".

I agree 110%...in the Air Force i know that the SP's are the only one's equipped with any type of firearm...so everyone else on base would be screwed...i know they mentioned Dover AFB..if they would have been able to get onto the base and onto the flight line they could have done a lot of damage to any aircraft on the flight line...millions/billions of dollars in damage..just getting onto any military base in my eyes would have to be a victory for them!!

[cutthemdown]

Is the truthiness of this headline much different? GROUP OF YOUNG MUSLIM'S HAIRBRAINED PLAN TO ATTACK MILITARY FORT FOILED BY AUTHORITIES IN EARLY STAGES

I really wonder how far along these guys had there plan. People are stupid; they talk big. If they didn't have date, a blueprint, or the firearms. I'm not sure this would have ever materialized into an attack.

What about if this had been a headline. Group of Muslims plan to take over airplanes with boxcutters, fly them into the Pentagon and WTC. Sounds pretty hairbrained to me.


My point is it doesn't matter if it's big or small it's another l victory for us against Muslims who hate us. Terrorism is what it is. tens of thousands of hateful people bent on killing Americans. They live in groups of 1, 10, 50, 100's, 1000's. In other words there cells come in all shapes and sizes. This one was a small group of terrorists with no training and not a lot of teeth I agree with that. That doesn't mean though it's not a big deal, they could have killed several people. More then that successful attacks breed more attacks and instill fear in the populace. That's why thwarting it is such a big deal to me. I think people that want to say its nothing are mostly just people who hate the Bush, hate the war etc.

[Pseudofool]

What about if this had been a headline. Group of Muslims plan to take over airplanes with boxcutters, fly them into the Pentagon and WTC. Sounds pretty hairbrained to me.


My point is it doesn't matter if it's big or small it's another l victory for us against Muslims who hate us. Terrorism is what it is. tens of thousands of hateful people bent on killing Americans. They live in groups of 1, 10, 50, 100's, 1000's. In other words there cells come in all shapes and sizes. This one was a small group of terrorists with no training and not a lot of teeth I agree with that. That doesn't mean though it's not a big deal, they could have killed several people. More then that successful attacks breed more attacks and instill fear in the populace. That's why thwarting it is such a big deal to me. I think people that want to say its nothing are mostly just people who hate the Bush, hate the war etc.No it's not nothing, that much is clear; there is epidemic of islamic fundementalist terrorism. But do you really think a "successful terror attack" breeds more terrorism than something like the Iraq war? I just think the American populace is being bamboozled by the War Terror; if we want security, we simply need to slow down the economy, protect our ports, borders, and change our foriegn policy. But some people want to have there cake and eat it too.

[cutthemdown]

No it's not nothing, that much is clear; there is epidemic of islamic fundementalist terrorism. But do you really think a "successful terror attack" breeds more terrorism than something like the Iraq war? I just think the American populace is being bamboozled by the War Terror; if we want security, we simply need to slow down the economy, protect our ports, borders, and change our foriegn policy. But some people want to have there cake and eat it too.

I think the issue you raise about the war creating more terrorists is probably a true statement. America flexing it's muscle is something recruiters can point to as being the reason some poor muslim kid has a crappy life. It's a good thing though because they send then to Iraq and Afghanistan which is where we want to fight the trained terrorists. I think the ones that are here in the USA that may get an idea to start there own cell though are put off by seeing cells like this recent one busted up. I also think its good for morale here at home to bust these things up and not let even the smallest of terror attacks go off.

You say to be safe we need to protect our borders and ports etc. I agree with all that. I'm curious though what changes you would make to foreign policy to make Muslims not want to kill non muslims. They have been doing it for years through many different American administrations and policies. Clinton really tried to help the Israeli Palestinian problem they still attacked the WTC, our troops in Saudi Arabia, the Cole etc. Reagan got attacked in Beirut something like 250 marines got waxed. Bush wasn't in office long enough to do a thing when the WTC and Pentagon got attacked. At that point Bush was saying he didn't want to so called Nation Build etc. It was the 9-11 attack that formulated his current policy.

[maven]

What I thought was interesting about the story. They were caught by some clerk in the photo department of Rite Aid(Or some other drugstore). Didn't these guys have a dvd burner?

[Pseudofool]

I think the issue you raise about the war creating more terrorists is probably a true statement. America flexing it's muscle is something recruiters can point to as being the reason some poor muslim kid has a crappy life. It's a good thing though because they send then to Iraq and Afghanistan which is where we want to fight the trained terrorists. I think the ones that are here in the USA that may get an idea to start there own cell though are put off by seeing cells like this recent one busted up. I also think its good for morale here at home to bust these things up and not let even the smallest of terror attacks go off.

You say to be safe we need to protect our borders and ports etc. I agree with all that. I'm curious though what changes you would make to foreign policy to make Muslims not want to kill non muslims. They have been doing it for years through many different American administrations and policies. Clinton really tried to help the Israeli Palestinian problem they still attacked the WTC, our troops in Saudi Arabia, the Cole etc. Reagan got attacked in Beirut something like 250 marines got waxed. Bush wasn't in office long enough to do a thing when the WTC and Pentagon got attacked. At that point Bush was saying he didn't want to so called Nation Build etc. It was the 9-11 attack that formulated his current policy. Iraq needs to be dealt with before anything else. But we have to put a stop to putting up puppet regimes which we've been doing in the middle east for three or four decades. The best thing we can do is to ween ourselves off of oil and simply let the region alone. As for Iraq, it's clear they should have seen the conflicting cultural interests there from the get go. I don't know if the answer is three seperate states, but the "democracy" they have currently is nothing more than tyrrany by majority--which doesn't work in deep seated culturally diverse region. The U.S.'s differences are ideological as opposed to cultural which makes democracy (more or less) possible.

If we want to make change in the middle east, we shouldn't do so through soldiering. In the late eighties and nineties there was a student movement for democracy from within Iran, but that has fizzled out. The US missed an opportunity to supply those people with at the very least a voice on the world stage. Frankly, I think we need to entirely withdraw from the middle east for a generation before we begin to repair our image. We're not going to change a world of muslims views overnight, any attempt to withdraw or repair will certianly be coupled with terrorist attacks in meantime, but that doesn't mean our efforts aren't working. The less Muslims that have been touched by American violence the better. The less puppet regimes the better. Let us not forget that we supported Sadam during the Iran-Iraq conflict, and that is a mere generation ago, it will take longer to repair the damage we have caused by occupying Iraq.

Terrorism by definition can't be stopped. People forget that the deadliest terror attack of American sole before 9/11 was by Timothy McVey a White vet.

[Raider Bill]

I had the "pleasure" of going to Fort Dix when I was in the military for training, and at the time, it wasn't the most secure base in the world. As a matter of fact the barracks were backed by a dense forrest where anyone can sit, hide and pluck off soldiers at will and it would be very tough to find them. However, my military experience was prior to 9-11, so I imagine that the security is much better now.



I went to see a Pop Warner football game there, and 2 dudes with M16's checked the bottom of my truck for car bombs with inspection mirrors.

[Play2win]

This is great news! no matter the scale, more of this type of news needs to happen.

Personally, I wish we would "SWORDFISH" them All !!!!

[Ratboy]

First off, at least one of them had the proper credentials, a pizza delivery car. And being a former gate guard, it's not hard to forge a copy of the authorized personnel list and add his buddies on. Second, as I previously mentioned, the main gate is not the only way to gain access to the base, hell there are wooded areas that are difficult to patrol out there, leaving unauthorized access not too difficult.

I'm not sure how they do it there, but here the Pizza man has to be verified but the one ordering the pizza.

[Broncos4tw]

imo security needs to be beefed up at military installations. For a few it's reasonably solid, but it's far, far too lax in others. We are too secure on our own soil.

[bendog]

Not really. Ft. Dix is a training base. Or at least it used to be. Even if you see a hundred troops marching along in formation carrying M16s, they have no ammo. I'm sure there's an armory on the fort somewhere, but it would take some time to arm anybody. The only people with live ammo on that base would be the MPs. They said one of the guys had been delivering pizzas at the fort for some time. So they knew the layout. And they knew that nobody was armed.

Six guys running through that base with AKs could have delivered a very nasty attack.

That was my thought too. The Military better take a real close look at this. Those little white wooden gates aren't gonna cut it.

[defenseman]

WTF? Six guys were planning an attack on a US Army Fort on US Soil? I applaud the police efforts, but their plan seems a bit--what's the word I'm looking for--unfeasible? No. Their plan seems utterly perpostious.

These aren't the AQ variety of terrorists. These are the kind of guys who get caught in airport security with lead wieghts in their pockets.

So, you can't give credit where credit it due? Whatever, you have issues...dman

[defenseman]

armed or not , the soldiers would rush the terrorist , the damage wouldnt be that bad .......

Funny. In that, many here have said "not one drop of american blood" should be shed, however when it was going to happen, right on our own soil, ah shucks, the damage wouldn't have been that bad. Not understanding this in the least, a terrorist is what he or she is, a terrorist. And these guys were. You gotta give credit where credit is due, simple as that...dman

[defenseman]

Dude it would a lot worse then you think both on physical and nation's emotional level. There are very few armed individuals on military post/base.

That is a fact. Armories house most of the ordanance and weapons, a reasonble sized security force is armed on military bases. Six guys , well coordinated and executed could have done alot of damage. Make no mistake about that..dman

[defenseman]

I don't understand the thinking here. It's a good arrest. Even if these guys killed one soldier at a military base it's one to many. Cho murders a bunch of people and everyone b****es about police response. Police arrest some bad people planning bad things and all the liberals want to say it's no big deal. Saving lives is always a big deal. I thought preserving life is what this anti-war message is all about?

this is exactly why we as a nation are in trouble. Sticking your head in the sand DOESN'T make the bad guys go away, it only strengthens them. And, these six are the perfect example of why we need to stay on the ready and deal with folks like these in a very ruthless and violent manner, to ensure they meet their allah, sooner not later..dman

[TailgateNut]

Funny. In that, many here have said "not one drop of american blood" should be shed, however when it was going to happen, right on our own soil, ah shucks, the damage wouldn't have been that bad. Not understanding this in the least, a terrorist is what he or she is, a terrorist. And these guys were. You gotta give credit where credit is due, simple as that...dman

Nobody has yet to address the key "question". How could this happen when were are in Iraq to prevent this from happening on our soil? How? I thought Bush was keeping US safe from this type of attack. Wasn't he? Isn't this exactly why we are there, or could it be the OIL?

[TailgateNut]

...cont.: Are we in fact "creating" more terrorists simply by our actions? I think so. ....and I think it will get worse the longer we are in Iraq....and more of these types of attacks will surface.....and some of them will succeed.....Be sure to send a thank you note to Bush, when it happens!

[bendog]

Nobody has yet to address the key "question". How could this happen when were are in Iraq to prevent this from happening on our soil? How? I thought Bush was keeping US safe from this type of attack. Wasn't he? Isn't this exactly why we are there, or could it be the OIL?

2-3 of these guys were here illegally. Like Homeland Security still doesn't have a list of muslim's who've overstayed their visas? Like we're spying on telephone calls, and still not matching credit card records with that list?

[Spider]

Funny. In that, many here have said "not one drop of american blood" should be shed, however when it was going to happen, right on our own soil, ah shucks, the damage wouldn't have been that bad. Not understanding this in the least, a terrorist is what he or she is, a terrorist. And these guys were. You gotta give credit where credit is due, simple as that...dman
what in the hell are you babbling about ?
lets see if you can follow areal simple version here ......... If those terrorist got through , they could have caused alot of Damage ..........
"I dont think the death toll would have been that high , the soldiers would have faught back , unlike the students @ va TECH"
Now what in the hell is so damn complicated about that ?
and for the love of pete , what in the hell does that have to do with giving credit where credit is due ?

[TailgateNut]

2-3 of these guys were here illegally. Like Homeland Security still doesn't have a list of muslim's who've overstayed their visas? Like we're spying on telephone calls, and still not matching credit card records with that list?



Hey, ya know what though, were keeping America safe by "fighting them there" instead of here. Isn't that right, you kool aid drinking fools?

Keep dreaming, the nightmare will be over in 2008!

[Spider]

2-3 of these guys were here illegally. Like Homeland Security still doesn't have a list of muslim's who've overstayed their visas? Like we're spying on telephone calls, and still not matching credit card records with that list?

yeah , that spying and data mining phone calls really hasnt done shít

[defenseman]

Nobody has yet to address the key "question". How could this happen when were are in Iraq to prevent this from happening on our soil? How? I thought Bush was keeping US safe from this type of attack. Wasn't he? Isn't this exactly why we are there, or could it be the OIL?

Fact is, they caught them before they could do any damage. The system in place worked this time fortunately. The facts, start and end right there. No less , no more. Accept the accomplishment for what it is, it's as simple as that..dman

[defenseman]

yeah , that spying and data mining phone calls really hasnt done shít

How do you know it didn't contribute to this victory? You, nor I know. To assume anything else is what it is, an assumption. Assumptions aren't facts anywhere but in the media.....dman

[bendog]

yeah , that spying and data mining phone calls really hasnt done shít

I don't know about that one way or another. But Homeland Security was supposed to be looking for muslims we knew entered the country, and who were supposed to have left, but we had no records of them leaving. It's pretty impossible to track American citizens who are muslims. And, it should be illegal. But if these guys were operating under the same idenities they had when they entered the country, somebody better be asking WTF!

[Spider]

How do you know it didn't contribute to this victory? You, nor I know. To assume anything else is what it is, an assumption. Assumptions aren't facts anywhere but in the media.....dman

I see , so the point that they was here illegally doesnt factor in at all ........It took a store clerk to turn em in .......... but there is time for the story to change

[Spider]

I don't know about that one way or another. But Homeland Security was supposed to be looking for muslims we knew entered the country, and who were supposed to have left, but we had no records of them leaving. It's pretty impossible to track American citizens who are muslims. And, it should be illegal. But if these guys were operating under the same idenities they had when they entered the country, somebody better be asking WTF!

if that store clerk doesnt make that call , your question gets alot more attention

[TailgateNut]

Fact is, they caught them before they could do any damage. The system in place worked this time fortunately. The facts, start and end right there. No less , no more. Accept the accomplishment for what it is, it's as simple as that..dman


You know what, I am not a seemen under your command, so you can take that alloof attitude of yours and shove it where the sun never shines! You see that once you reenter the civilian world your rank doesn't automatically garner respect. Respect must be earned. Talk down to someone else!

It's not as simple as that. Were ARE in fact more prone to attacks here on our own soil as long as we continue to chase our tails in Iraq while our local, state and national defense forces are being worn to the bone!

[defenseman]

You know what, I am not a seemen under your command, so you can take that alloof attitude of yours and shove it where the sun never shines! You see that once you reenter the civilian world your rank doesn't automatically garner respect. Respect must be earned. Talk down to someone else!

It's not as simple as that. Were ARE in fact more prone to attacks here on our own soil as long as we continue to chase our tails in Iraq while our local, state and national defense forces are being worn to the bone!

LOL LOL LOL Somebody had their cornflakes pizzed in this morning...ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ....dman

[Spider]

LOL LOL LOL Somebody had their cornflakes pizzed in this morning...ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ....dman

nice to see you are into water sports ;D

[Pseudofool]

Originally Posted by Pseudofool
WTF? Six guys were planning an attack on a US Army Fort on US Soil? I applaud the police efforts, but their plan seems a bit--what's the word I'm looking for--unfeasible? No. Their plan seems utterly perpostious.

These aren't the AQ variety of terrorists. These are the kind of guys who get caught in airport security with lead wieghts in their pockets.

So, you can't give credit where credit it due? Whatever, you have issues...dmanWhat part of applaud did you not understand? You can always temper credit with criticism, and if you don't you're one part of the equation to tyranny...

[Pseudofool]

How do you know it didn't contribute to this victory? You, nor I know. To assume anything else is what it is, an assumption. Assumptions aren't facts anywhere but in the media.....dman This is exactly what I'm talking about. Note the use of the word victory. See the PR spin already working? It was an arrest, not a victory. Arrests of this sort is a good thing, but they should not be conflated with actual victory on a battlefield.

[BroncsRule]

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Note the use of the word victory. See the PR spin already working? It was an arrest, not a victory. Arrests of this sort is a good thing, but they should not be conflated with actual victory on a battlefield.

This is precisely the sort of "victories" we can expect in this brave new world.

just as it would be a "defeat" for us if these dirt bags had not been turned in & had gotten their little "op" off the ground.

[Pseudofool]

This is precisely the sort of "victories" we can expect in this brave new world.

just as it would be a "defeat" for us if these dirt bags had not been turned in & had gotten their little "op" off the ground.Ever read that book? Things don't turn out so hot...

[cdesignmaster]

Illegal immigrants and Muslim, nuff said.