Bush Coming To Kansas!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Stormontheplains]

GW is coming to Greensburg Kansas on Wednsday to visit the storm damage. I will be on the side of the road to catch a peak of my hero. I will upload pics when I get back from the trip. A bunch of us are going to show our support for the president.

[theAPAOps5]

Thats great. When I was in New Orleans after Katrina to help the airport reopen he came through twice.

PS: Be prepared for this to turn into political crap.

[Bronco Bob]

Thats great. When I was in New Orleans after Katrina to help the airport reopen he came through twice.

PS: Be prepared for this to turn into political crap.

Okay, I'll give it a shot.

Would this be the same Bush that has the Kansas National Guard and
over 50% of their equipment tied up over in Iraq. Equipment that is desperately
needed in Kansas for the clean-up efforts. Saw the governor of Kansas
on the news today, and boy is she pissed off about the whole thing.

[Stormontheplains]

Okay, I'll give it a shot.

Would this be the same Bush that has the Kansas National Guard and
over 50% of their equipment tied up over in Iraq. Equipment that is desperately
needed in Kansas for the clean-up efforts. Saw the governor of Kansas
on the news today, and boy is she pissed off about the whole thing.

No, that is not correct. There are enough Tractors, Front End Loaders, Skid Steers, Dump Trucks, to clean up 5 towns. The Governor threw a jab that wasn't necessary, and what you failed to see was her get throttled for that comment by the locals and press. If these were weak people who needed the government to save them the answer would be yes. But my brother, they will be taken care of by everyone here in the state. I have sent 3 trailers there so far, for living until they figure out what is going to happen.:welcome:

[Bronco Bob]

what you failed to see was her get throttled for that comment by the locals and press.

This is true. I did fail to see that. Do you have some articles by the local press?

[theAPAOps5]

See it never fails, mention Bush and the gates are opened.

By the way thats awesome sending the trailers. Part of what I did in New Orleans was check in and set up all sorts of travel trailers that were going to be homes to the Airport staff and families during rebuilding. Some of those things had some sweet stuff in them.

[Spider]

personally I wouldnt walk across the street to see bush or cheney

[atomicbloke]

It should be a day to remember for the hillbillies.

[Crushaholic]

Well, he's going to be in the state to visit the unfortunate tragedy known as Greensburg. I'm sure that he'll spend most of his time in the air surveying the damage and part of the time in conversations with survivors. It's a nice thought showing your support for Bush, but you might not get much of a glimpse of him..

[Blueflame]

It's nice that he can spare a few minutes for a photo-op five days or so after the disaster occurred.

[atomicbloke]

It should be a day to remember for the hillbillies.

This was purely a tongue-in-cheek remark.

If it came across as making fun of people struck by the tornado tragedy, I sincerely apologize.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

See it never fails, mention Bush and the gates are opened.

Gee, I wonder why that is?

Of course, whatever the reason, it can't possibly have anything to do with Bush or his record. ;)

http://www.bartcop.com/gop-kool-aid06.jpg

[Blueflame]

GW is coming to Greensburg Kansas on Wednsday to visit the storm damage. I will be on the side of the road to catch a peak of my hero. I will upload pics when I get back from the trip. A bunch of us are going to show our support for the president.

Will you and your friends be required to sign loyalty oaths before being allowed anywhere near his photo op? Bet you are...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The Ecology of Impeachment

The American electorate is looking more and more like the polar bear stranded on a shrinking ice floe--still powerful but with democracy melting out from under our feet. Unlike the polar bear, however, we should be able to analyze our situation and take action. The first thing we have to do is accept that certain familiar features of our habitat, which we have depended on in the past, are just gone.

We now have more media outlets than ever before, but their mission seems to be to drown out any molecule of truth. And our inter-dependent voting and justice systems have been reduced to slivers of their former selves.

For example, as time has gone by, the true significance of the Supreme Court's selection of George W. Bush as president has become more and more painfully clear, in spite of efforts on the part of the media and across the political spectrum to obscure the bald truth: In Bush v. Gore, the Supreme Court shamelessly sided with a gang of Republican congressional aides swinging baseball bats who originally shut down the vote count and threw the case into the courts.

Jamin Raskin argued in March, 2001, in an article titled Bandits in Black Robes, that Bush v. Gore is easily the worst Supreme Court decision in history--even worse than Dred Scott, because in the case of Scott, justices could truthfully argue that the unamended 1857 (pre-Civil War) Constitution did regard black people as less than human. It was at least consistent. Not so with Bush v. Gore. Raskin says:

In a slapdash job of constitutional interpretation, the conservatives ravaged four foundational relationships in our constitutional system. It usurped the role of the Florida Supreme Court in interpreting state law. It usurped the role of the American people by halting the counting of ballots in a presidential election and effectively choosing the president for them. It usurped Congress' powers to accept or reject the states' electoral college votes. And it reversed the proper distribution of powers in federal government by having Supreme Court justices appoint the president rather than vice versa.

It's important to remember that this was not a recount in the usual sense. Florida's punch machines produced a number of so-called over-votes and under-votes. These were valid votes, but physical inspection of the ballot was necessary--and feasible. Often the voter's intention was completely clear.

The media had already called the election in GWB's favor, which no doubt gave the Florida GOP legislature, under Jeb Bush, the courage and ass-coverage to declare that they would send electors committed to George W. Bush, no matter what the outcome of the actual vote count.

Agreeing with Jeb and going even further, the Supreme Court used the opinion to remind the American people that the electorate does not really have a constitutional right to vote. The Constitution only mentions electors; the popular vote is just a custom.

Supreme Court justices appointing the president in defiance of the popular vote--in a total repudiation of the right to a popular vote--that's about as activist as you can get. And we already have indications that Bush's appointees to the Court are continuing in the same direction.

Starting off his tenure with the breathtaking gall that would soon become familiar, one of Bush's first initiatives prescribed the remedy for his own theft of office: the Help America Vote Act (HAVA), which required every state in the union to buy electronic vote machines--from highly partisan Republican vendors.

In spite of the crudeness of these power grabs, most of which took place right out in the open, it is only now that we can begin to see how it all came together. In an important article by Steven Rosenfeld and Bob Fitrakis, Network Hosting Attorney Scandal E-Mails Also Hosted Ohio's 2004 Election Results, we not only get more evidence that the GOP hacked electronic voting machines in Ohio in 2004, but we see how this links up with the firing of US District Attorneys:

There is more than ample documentation to show that on Election Night 2004, Ohio's "official" Secretary of State website--which gave the world the presidential election results--was redirected from an Ohio government server to a group of servers that contain scores of Republican web sites, including the secret White House e-mail accounts that have emerged in the scandal surrounding Attorney General Alberto Gonzales's firing of eight federal prosecutors.

Did you get that? The servers the White House used to carry on illegal e-mail correspondence with GOP congressmembers about what they wanted from federal prosecutors--a wish list that included demands for prosecution of non-existent cases of voter identity theft and relief from the legitimate prosecution of Republicans--are the same servers that improperly hosted the 2004 Ohio election results.

Rosenfeld and Fitrakis go on to say:

Privatizing elections and allowing known partisans to run a key presidential vote count is troubling enough. But the reason Congress must investigate these high-tech ties is there is abundant evidence that Republicans could have used this computing network to delay announcing the winner of Ohio's 2004 election while tinkering with the results.

I hope with all my heart that Congress heeds Rosenfeld and Fitrakis's call for investigations into these servers.

It seems clear that as the electorate adapted and began to clean out partisan secretaries of state like Kenneth Blackwell, Karl Rove started maneuvering to put corrupt US district attorneys in place who would play a similar role in giving the GOP an illegal electoral edge.

It is very bitter to lose a tight election, particularly to right-wing authoritarians. But those of us who respect democracy tend to suck it up. We try, as the Honorable Justice Scalia suggested not too long ago, to "get over it." We work to find a better candidate, we register new voters, we march. We even accept the winners' right to select Supreme Court justices and appellate judges who will be around long after the victors are out of office.

But not when the "winners" never won. Not when the system is rigged. Not when the voting machines are sending data to the RNC to manipulate. Not when US attorneys are partisans.

Nor does the 2006 election prove that we've restored a meaningful connection between government and the will of the people. All it proves is that Democrats were able to overcome pervasive vote fraud with a sufficiently large national majority and a last-minute surge. That's not exactly democracy.

Furthermore, accepting any electoral victory as our only redress for eight years of illegal leadership only legitimizes BushCo's multiple, layered, ongoing crimes against the Constitution, humanity, and the planet we live on.

That's why it isn't enough for Democratic candidates simply to campaign for office; they have to lead. John Edwards has done that by refusing to debate at Fox-sponsored forums and by coming out against electronic touchscreen voting machines--the latter being of particular importance, given that congressional Dems still don't understand the critical distinction between a paper trail and a paper ballot.

Mike Gravel did it in a recent debate by telling the truth about Iraq.

But most of all, Dennis Kucinich is giving the people a voice by submitting articles of impeachment against Dick Cheney.

The push for impeachment acknowledges two simple truths: we can't wait for 2008, nor can we live with BushCo's legacy. That is to say, we must not only remove GWB, but we must remove all the devices and stratagems his administration has used to subvert the Constitution including: signing statements and the concept of the unitary executive; the abrogation of the Geneva conventions, the concept of enemy combatants, extraordinary rendition, and Guantanamo; pre-emptive military attacks; warrantless spying on citizens; the unlabeled exchange of government propaganda for news; and much more.

These illegal maneuvers should not be available to future presidents of any party. Just as SCOTUS explicitly said that their ruling in Bush v. Gore could not be construed as a precedent, so the entire Bush presidency must be stripped of its power to set precedent--and nothing would go further toward that goal than impeachment.

Impeachment would also send a powerful warning to the Roberts' Court that they, too, serve at the pleasure of the people.

Impeachment is the people's powerful roar.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/7305

[defenseman]

Will you and your friends be required to sign loyalty oaths before being allowed anywhere near his photo op? Bet you are...

C'mon? Quite entertaining actually, please continue on...I'm up for a laugh or two...dman

[TailgateNut]

C'mon? Quite entertaining actually, please continue on...I'm up for a laugh or two...dman


Why is this FACT so entertaining to you. You and I both know he "hand picks" his audiences. Wouldn't want any "negative vibes" near the "failure" AKA Bush!

[Rohirrim]

There is a report that Cheney has linked that tornado to Bin Laden. He just sent Dubya out to investigate.

[TailgateNut]

There is a report that Cheney has linked that tornado to Bin Laden. He just sent Dubya out to investigate.

I thought Cheney was the Tornado in human form, you know, no clear direction and ****s up everything!

[defenseman]

Why is this FACT so entertaining to you. You and I both know he "hand picks" his audiences. Wouldn't want any "negative vibes" near the "failure" AKA Bush!

And the dems don't? Sure they do, they all do..dman

[TailgateNut]

And the dems don't? Sure they do, they all do..dman


.....Proof is in the pudding, everything else is just conjecture! We know for a fact the repukes had "non kool aid drinkers" ejected from town hall meetings and appearances by his highness!
Wouldn't want the "dingleberry" to face uncomfortable questions or comments!

[Spider]

C'mon? Quite entertaining actually, please continue on...I'm up for a laugh or two...dman
LOL , Bush was able to get People to sign loyalty oaths before ..........no **** chet

[Stormontheplains]

You guys are making me sick with your comments. Your lack of sincerity when lives have been lost, and those living with the pain of rebuilding their life. All of you support the terrorist more than the victim's because were a red state that supports bush. Just so you know that town has buried a soldier in the last year, so the war has impacted them. Instead of running your mouths your jokers out to take a couple days off from work, buy some work gloves, and come help with the clean up. I know you would learn alot from a hillbilly.

[Spider]

And the dems don't? Sure they do, they all do..dman

Name one ?

[Hotrod]

Okay, I'll give it a shot.

Would this be the same Bush that has the Kansas National Guard and
over 50% of their equipment tied up over in Iraq. Equipment that is desperately
needed in Kansas for the clean-up efforts. Saw the governor of Kansas
on the news today, and boy is she pissed off about the whole thing.

Yep and later was called on her BS as 88% of the KS national guard is......wait for it...........in KS.

She needs to run home and wash the egg off her face before it drys.

[Spider]

You guys are making me sick with your comments. Your lack of sincerity when lives have been lost, and those living with the pain of rebuilding their life. All of you support the terrorist more than the victim's because were a red state that supports bush. Just so you know that town has buried a soldier in the last year, so the war has impacted them. Instead of running your mouths your jokers out to take a couple days off from work, buy some work gloves, and come help with the clean up. I know you would learn alot from a hillbilly.

strait shooting here , it isnt the disaster , it is Bush , last time I saw people react to presidents in this fashion was Nixon and Carter , A meteor could hit , during either ones presidency , and they could show up and people would have nothing but negative to say ......... Hell Nixon couldnt even go to the Lincoln monument , now is this peoples fault ? or the fault of the Dick head that screwed everyone and everything .........

[Spider]

and besides people Kansas dont want handouts or help , they will do it on their own

[Hotrod]

.....Proof is in the pudding, everything else is just conjecture! We know for a fact the repukes had "non kool aid drinkers" ejected from town hall meetings and appearances by his highness!
Wouldn't want the "dingleberry" to face uncomfortable questions or comments!

Im not sure about every case but in one of them the people thrown out were being rowdy and simply chanting some leftist propaganda tripe. Such as "Bush is bad" "Bush is bad"

They should have been also charged with "stupid"

[TailgateNut]

You guys are making me sick with your comments. Your lack of sincerity when lives have been lost, and those living with the pain of rebuilding their life. All of you support the terrorist more than the victim's because were a red state that supports bush. Just so you know that town has buried a soldier in the last year, so the war has impacted them. Instead of running your mouths your jokers out to take a couple days off from work, buy some work gloves, and come help with the clean up. I know you would learn alot from a hillbilly.

You baffoon. Our comments are directed at the "fake ones' " visit to Kansas, not at those who have been affected by the Tornado.
You Terrorist support statement borders libel, and shows how you have bought the Bush talking points carte blanche.

Hence the hillbilly comment, I assume and second!

[TailgateNut]

Im not sure about every case but in one of them the people thrown out were being rowdy and simply chanting some leftist propaganda tripe. Such as "Bush is bad" "Bush is bad"

They should have been also charged with "stupid"

They should have chanted "Bush is Evil, Bush is Evil"!

[Spider]

You baffoon. Our comments are directed at the "fake ones' " visit to Kansas, not at those who have been affected by the Tornado.
You Terrorist support statement borders libel, and shows how you have bought the Bush talking points carte blanche.

Hence the hillbilly comment, I assume and second!

;D I over looked the terrorist statement , Storm is pretty emotional right now , as he should be , an F-5 in the hood will shake up even the hardest of men .......

[Rohirrim]

I think you guys are making a big mistake with the "hillbilly" comment. I spent six months at Fort Riley. Believe me. There ain't a hill in Kansas.

[Spider]

Im not sure about every case but in one of them the people thrown out were being rowdy and simply chanting some leftist propaganda tripe. Such as "Bush is bad" "Bush is bad"

They should have been also charged with "stupid"

The Denver 3 .......
http://www.denverthree.org/
We are Denver residents who were kicked out of the President’s Town Hall Conversation on privatizing social security on March 21, 2005. We’ve created this site to provide resources and information about this important issue.

Why did this happen to us? It’s not that we weren’t invited, we all had tickets to the event. No, the reason this mystery man and his cohorts physically removed us was because of the bumper sticker on the car we drove in. Shocked? Outraged? Afraid that this is happening in America? All Americans value Free Speech and should be appalled by this.

The White House insists that a "volunteer" is at fault, but the Secret Service has revealed that the person who kicked us out in Denver was an official "host committee staffer." Republican Congressman Bob Beauprez (who gave us our tickets) also said that "the White House does the deal. They literally come in and take over."

When eerily similar incidents occur in Colorado, Arizona, and North Dakota, citizens can only wonder – is this a coincidence? Or is there a concerted effort by someone to train event staffers at President Bush’s taxpayer-funded events to screen people based on their viewpoints and exclude them in clear violation of the First Amendment?

Thanks for visiting the site and supporting First Amendment Rights.

Alex & Leslie.

[Hogan11]

See it never fails, mention Bush and the gates are opened.

Yeah...and I'm sure if someone had said that about Clinton or any other Democrat, that the gates wouldn't be opened as well, right? Get Real.

[theAPAOps5]

Yeah...and I'm sure if someone had said that about Clinton or any other Democrat, that the gates wouldn't be opened as well, right? Get Real.

Oh you took my comment wrong. I am far from a Bush supporter. I was relating to Storm what I saw in New Orleans. I also was warning him that this thread would turn political. I was worried Storm would get upset and he did that is all I meant by my first warning and the second comment. No way I was standing up for Bush.

[Garcia Bronco]

Okay, I'll give it a shot.

Would this be the same Bush that has the Kansas National Guard and
over 50% of their equipment tied up over in Iraq. Equipment that is desperately
needed in Kansas for the clean-up efforts. Saw the governor of Kansas
on the news today, and boy is she pissed off about the whole thing.

Well...she can STFU...it's needed for more important things now. I am sure that we as as country can more than make up for it. It amuses me the length the media will go to and try and make everything about the President.

[Spider]

Well...she can STFU...it's needed for more important things now. I am sure that we as as country can more than make up for it. It amuses me the length the media will go to and try and make everything about the President.

LOL , I see , more important things hey ? oh thats right I forgot , we pull out of Iraq all fighting will stop and they will follow us home , and fight us here ......It is hard keeping up with Right wing fantasy and reality sometimes

[Hotrod]

The Denver 3 .......
http://www.denverthree.org/
We are Denver residents who were kicked out of the President’s Town Hall Conversation on privatizing social security on March 21, 2005. We’ve created this site to provide resources and information about this important issue.

Why did this happen to us? It’s not that we weren’t invited, we all had tickets to the event. No, the reason this mystery man and his cohorts physically removed us was because of the bumper sticker on the car we drove in. Shocked? Outraged? Afraid that this is happening in America? All Americans value Free Speech and should be appalled by this.

The White House insists that a "volunteer" is at fault, but the Secret Service has revealed that the person who kicked us out in Denver was an official "host committee staffer." Republican Congressman Bob Beauprez (who gave us our tickets) also said that "the White House does the deal. They literally come in and take over."

When eerily similar incidents occur in Colorado, Arizona, and North Dakota, citizens can only wonder – is this a coincidence? Or is there a concerted effort by someone to train event staffers at President Bush’s taxpayer-funded events to screen people based on their viewpoints and exclude them in clear violation of the First Amendment?

Thanks for visiting the site and supporting First Amendment Rights.

Alex & Leslie.


Hmm I cant fault Bush for this....simply because I dont want to be a hypocrite. See if I were holding a meeting and someone showed up and had a faider bumber sticker on their car I'd toss them out myself. ;)

[Spider]

See I would donate my truck , fuel , wages , to haul supplies down there right now ........ Problem is , no one is asking .........Normally timber , equipment is asked for , but it wasnt for Holly co , or now ........ So be it , I wont force help on anyone .......

[Spider]

Hmm I cant fault Bush for this....simply because I dont want to be a hypocrite. See if I were holding a meeting and someone showed up and had a faider bumber sticker on their car I'd toss them out myself. ;)

LOL , but a`tax payer event is different , if I am holding an event....the money comes out of my own pocket , that way I control who dances and who doesnt ;D

[theAPAOps5]

Thats the midwest for you. Take care of eachother and ask for very little.

[Spider]

Thats the midwest for you. Take care of eachother and ask for very little.

so be it ...........but dont get mad people`dont show up to help

[theAPAOps5]

so be it ...........but dont get mad people`dont show up to help

No I see your point help won't come if you don't ask. But like you said in the first post on this page they aren't asking for it. Storm is just emotional right now.

[defenseman]

Thats the midwest for you. Take care of eachother and ask for very little.

Yep. them "hillbillies" could teach a thing or two to some "city" folk I'm sure...dman

[Hotrod]

"for 43 dollars my friend lost his life"

"I'd like to spit some beach nut in that dudes eyes and shoot him with my old 45"

"Cause a countryboy can survive"

Rep to the first to identify my favorite song/singer

;D

[TailgateNut]

Yep. them "hillbillies" could teach a thing or two to some "city" folk I'm sure...dman

...and vice versa....! I'm kinda both!...a citybillie!:wiggle:

[defenseman]

...and vice versa....! I'm kinda both!...a citybillie!:wiggle:

Yeah, I'm kinda there also. Though, need some acreage. Don't want to look at any neighbors house from mine if at all possible...dman

[theAPAOps5]

"for 43 dollars my friend lost his life"

"I'd like to spit some beach nut in that dudes eyes and shoot him with my old 45"

"Cause a countryboy can survive"

Rep to the first to identify my favorite song/singer

;D


Hank Williams Jr, Country Boy Can Survive

I think that is the first ever occurance of modern day gangsta rap

[Spider]

I am what I call an upper class redneck , I am nothing like Cletus , but I am not Biff either ..... ;D

[TailgateNut]

Yeah, I'm kinda there also. Though, need some acreage. Don't want to look at any neighbors house from mine if at all possible...dman

Ya hit the nail square on the head.

I grew up on in a small community working the land and raising "critters". I joined the service and learned commitment and duty. Then I ventured into the hectic business world and now I almost ready to return to my "roots".

[TailgateNut]

I am what I call an upper class redneck , I am nothing like Cletus , but I am not Biff either ..... ;D
LOL

[Bronco Bob]

Well...she can STFU...it's needed for more important things now.

So f**k the American public, we need to send everything to Eye Rak,
because they are so damn grateful for us being there.


I am sure that we as as country can more than make up for it. It amuses me the length the media will go to and try and make everything about the President.

Sure thing pal. That's why its going to take years to rebuild the National Guard.
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, it must be mighty tasty.

[Spider]

Yep. them "hillbillies" could teach a thing or two to some "city" folk I'm sure...dman

depends ,Seriously ....... Construction , management , income , business , Big city has it .....Spitting tobacco , cow chip throwing , tractor pulling , farming , hay stacking in a barn , shooting squirrels , out house building , best place to put candles, for lighting when that there damn power goes out , best way to get the cows back inside the fence , country folk are experts ........

[Spider]

I lived and worked on farms ...... I am a small town guy , I cant stand big citys , and I cant live in a town with the population under 5,000 ........ 50-80 K population is just right

[Bronco Bob]

and besides people Kansas dont want handouts or help , they will do it on their own

Never mind the fact that over half of the very equipment the Kansas National guard needs to rescue people and even haul away the wreckage is in Iraq.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/4784306.html

[Spider]

Never mind the fact that over half of the very equipment the Kansas National guard needs to rescue people and even haul away the wreckage is in Iraq.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/4784306.html

yep .......

[Hotrod]

Shes wrong

[Spider]

you know out of all my travels , 1 state I have been in that could stand on its own no matter the disaster .......... Utah seriously , watch how they do their road construction , fast , and very efficient, if they apply this to every thing , Utah is a true stand alone state

[Spider]

Shes wrong

and you are right how ? ;D

[Bronco Bob]

You guys are making me sick with your comments. Your lack of sincerity when lives have been lost, and those living with the pain of rebuilding their life. All of you support the terrorist more than the victim's because were a red state that supports bush. Just so you know that town has buried a soldier in the last year, so the war has impacted them. Instead of running your mouths your jokers out to take a couple days off from work, buy some work gloves, and come help with the clean up. I know you would learn alot from a hillbilly.

Still waiting for you to provide any factual evidence that the Kansas
governor got throttled for her comment by the locals and press.

[Bronco Bob]

Yep and later was called on her BS as 88% of the KS national guard is......wait for it...........in KS.

She needs to run home and wash the egg off her face before it drys.

Jokes on you, bub. It's not just Kansas. In every state the majority of
their National Guard's equipment is over in Iraq.

[Hotrod]

and you are right how ? ;D

LOL cuz I said so ;D

No I've heard several reports on TV about the fact she pulled #'s out her ass. That there is more national gaurd/equipment in KS right now then they could even fit into the town.

I will say so far I find nothing in print but when it comes out I'll be more then happy to supply the link.

Im hearing something like 82% of the KS national gaurd is available.

[Hotrod]

Jokes on you, bub. It's not just Kansas. In every state the majority of
their National Guard's equipment is over in Iraq.

Again wrong.

[Spider]

here is the point everyone is missing ............ Americans want to help out , alot of people would love to pitch in , but when you turn that help away , then you alienate fellow Americans ...... as if somehow we are not good enough to help , we dont fit in with the cool people in Kansas ...... Nothing like slapping a fellow American in the face for wanting to help .........

[Bronco Bob]

Again wrong.

Yes, you are.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270593,00.html

[Spider]

LOL cuz I said so ;D

No I've heard several reports on TV about the fact she pulled #'s out her ass. That there is more national gaurd/equipment in KS right now then they could even fit into the town.

I will say so far I find nothing in print but when it comes out I'll be more then happy to supply the link.

Im hearing something like 82% of the KS national gaurd is available.

LOL , I havent had control over the TV to watch news in a long time ...... But I can tell you whats going on with Spongebob square pants ;D

[Bronco Bob]

you know out of all my travels , 1 state I have been in that could stand on its own no matter the disaster .......... Utah seriously , watch how they do their road construction , fast , and very efficient, if they apply this to every thing , Utah is a true stand alone state

One of the things I found fascinating about Utah, other than the fact the
have some of the most beautiful women in the country, is that the
cement trucks have the openings on their drums facing forward,
which makes for a shorter truck with the same capacity.

[Spider]

One of the things I found fascinating about Utah, other than the fact the
have some of the most beautiful women in the country, is that the
cement trucks have the openings on their drums facing forward,
which makes for a shorter truck with the same capacity.
well we need to convince Bush that Utah has WMD , we cant have a state doing things right like utah ......

[Hotrod]

Yes, you are.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270593,00.html

Ok so 1/2 of the equipment is in Iraq. How many trucks do they need....how many do they have.

Lets say they have 50 trucks.........I would think 25 would be more then enough to haul away the mess and start clean up ops

or

Lets say they have 6 trucks........I think that 3 is not nearly enough but neither is 6 so they were in deep **** to start with.

Seriously just another photo op for the anti war movement.*

*Im all for getting out of Iraq at this point as its a lost cause. They have had time to stand on their own and wont so there is nothing more we can do for them. What I'm pissed about is the people who are using the loss and events like KS to further their political careers. F'em

[Spider]

Ok so 1/2 of the equipment is in Iraq. How many trucks do they need....how many do they have.

Lets say they have 50 trucks.........I would think 25 would be more then enough to haul away the mess and start clean up ops

or

Lets say they have 6 trucks........I think that 3 is not nearly enough but neither is 6 so they were in deep **** to start with.

Seriously just another photo op for the anti war movement.*

*Im all for getting out of Iraq at this point as its a lost cause. They have had time to stand on their own and wont so there is nothing more we can do for them. What I'm pissed about is the people who are using the loss and events like KS to further their political careers. F'em
it isnt so much the # of trucks for me , it is the HOS and man power that would slow things up .....

[Hotrod]

LOL , I havent had control over the TV to watch news in a long time ...... But I can tell you whats going on with Spongebob square pants ;D

LOL I used to know every episode of Sponebob. The little guy actually kind of grows on ya.

I cant tell you happy I was when my son lost interest in cartoons and started likeing shows like "survivor man" and "how is it built"

[Spider]

LOL I used to know every episode of Sponebob. The little guy actually kind of grows on ya.

I cant tell you happy I was when my son lost interest in cartoons and started likeing shows like "survivor man" and "how is it built"

I am years from that ;D .........

[Hotrod]

Well I think we can all agree that Utah needs to be stopped. Its simply not American to build/fix highways in an efficiant manner. Ha!

[Spider]

Well I think we can all agree that Utah needs to be stopped. Its simply not American to build/fix highways in an efficiant manner. Ha!

:thumbsup:
S.U.T.A.T.T.D.
Stop utah the american thing to do club ;D

[Rohirrim]

I'm still stuck at where the guy said his hero is George W. Bush. It's like stumbling through the darkness of the New Guinea jungle and suddenly bumping into a three legged pygmy. I'm speechless.

[Spider]

someone forgot to send this guy the Memo , that there is enough in Kansas ....... Shoot he is in the national guard , he doesnt know a damn thing ......
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/05/07/more-on-the-national-guard/

[Spider]

damn I didnt have to post that , that many times

[Spider]

thanks to who ever helped me out with that .......... I clicked hit post quick reply , and the damn thing took off like a Rabbit or (90%) of the male population when mating ..........

[Garcia Bronco]

So **** the American public, we need to send everything to Eye Rak,
because they are so damn grateful for us being there.



Sure thing pal. That's why its going to take years to rebuild the National Guard.
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, it must be mighty tasty.

Like I said..it's amusing. the only reason you even know about it is because the media told you and told you how to think about it. Congrats. And we aren't talking about the entire American Public...you've got your parties muddled up...we are talking about Greensburg Kansas....and like any American they'll survive and be stronger for it.

[Hotrod]

I'm still stuck at where the guy said his hero is George W. Bush. It's like stumbling through the darkness of the New Guinea jungle and suddenly bumping into a three legged pygmy. I'm speechless.

LOL

[Spider]

Like I said..it's amusing. the only reason you even know about it is because the media told you and told you how to think about it. Congrats. And we aren't talking about the entire American Public...you've got your parties muddled up...we are talking about Greensburg Kansas....and like any American they'll survive and be stronger for it.

you need to sit this guy down and explain to him what side the bread is buttered on , he clearly doesnt get it ..........
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/05/07/more-on-the-national-guard/

[Spider]

Garcia , you really need to put your boot up this guys ass .....
Maj. Gen. Tod Bunting: We weren't fully equipped with all the resources we needed before the war started. So that, and the fact that we went with a bunch our forces to Iraq and Afghanistan further depleted us.

[Hotrod]

you need to sit this guy down and explain to him what side the bread is buttered on , he clearly doesnt get it ..........
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/05/07/more-on-the-national-guard/

Ah Ha.......I knew this was Clintons fault.

It says in there that they were not properly equiped before the war. We can blame this whole freaking thing on Clinton down sizing the military.







yes Im kidding dont crap your self Bronco Bob

[clarkster]

Like I said..it's amusing. the only reason you even know about it is because the media told you and told you how to think about it. Congrats.

i may be a lemming or neo con, or kool aid drinker, or what have you, and GB may be too, but it beats dancing like a trained monkey everytime the news says something about bush or the war or whatever.

dance monkeys, dance.

[Hotrod]

Couple of things on a serious note.

1. It appears that I listened to a news report and believed them......and they are wrong..........my bad.......it appears to have been fox news ________(insert joke on me here)____________.

2. Gee imagine that resources streached thin while a country is at war. The horror.

[Spider]

Ah Ha.......I knew this was Clintons fault.

It says in there that they were not properly equiped before the war. We can blame this whole freaking thing on Clinton down sizing the military.
Cant blame Clinton , he tried to have sex with every woman he met .... increasing the population ;D

[Hotrod]

Cant blame Clinton , he tried to have sex with every woman he met (except Billary) .... increasing the population ;D

Ha! I really need to go to work ;D

[Crushaholic]

While Sebelius is busy trying to score political points, the cleanup effort is being coordinated...

http://www.disasternews.net/news/article.php?articleid=3154

Faith-based groups, including MDS, the United Methodist Church, the Christian Reformed World Relief Committee (CRWRC) and Lutheran Disaster Response (LDR), were gearing up to respond.


UMCOR sent in an emergency grant. The Kansas chapter of Voluntary Organizations Active in Disaster (VOAD) was scheduled to meet Tuesday to coordinate its response. The Salvation Army said it sent four mobile feeding units to the area and its officers were providing emotional and spiritual care for survivors. It also was providing relief and shelter to people affected by flooding in northern Kansas, South Dakota, Iowa and Nebraska


LDR was sending a representative to Greensburg and planned meetings with local churches and synod members Tuesday.


"Lutheran Disaster Response is prepared to offer assistance, as needed, in the form of emergency hardship grants and spiritual and emotional care," said Heather Feltman, executive director.


"Once the town has been reopened, we will also be working in coordination with local congregations to coordinate volunteer teams for debris removal and cleanup," she said. "Plans are being made for volunteer teams to begin working this Saturday. After initial assessment has been completed, we will help to organize residents in meeting long-term unmet needs, and volunteer coordination will likely continue through the rebuilding phase."


National and regional VOADs encouraged the public to donate funds to the responders and to not send in any unsolicited supplies or clothing. They also urged people to not come to Greensburg to volunteer, but rather to contact a responding organization to learn how to help.


Mennonite Disaster Service cleanup teams were awaiting the go-ahead to enter town to help residents. Some teams were already assisting people in other affected communities north and east of Greensburg.


King praised the nearby town of Haviland for being so open and welcoming to the hundreds of Greensburg families sheltered there. He said the mood at the shelters was one of shock.


"You can easily hear neighbors asking each other, 'Do you have a house? No? Me neither,'" he said. "And they're also saying, 'My house is gone, how about yours?' It's quite moving here for these residents."


King said the local Mennonite Church pastor and his wife, Jeff and Lori Blackburn, rode out the storm in their basement.


"He said they heard the sirens and ran to the basement, and then the sirens stopped because the electricity was knocked out," he said. "They huddled in the basement and their ears starting popping. I asked him how long it took, and he said it felt like an eternity, but it was maybe five minutes.


"The next thing they noticed was that rain started pouring in on them in the dark," King said. "He thought a pipe broke, but then when he took out his penlight and looked up, sure enough, he saw the sky."


Cherri and Bob Baer, UMCOR disaster response representatives Cherri and Bob Baer were scheduled to arrive Monday to help conference disaster ministers Nancy Profitt and Julie Pohl.


Bill Adams, CRWRC disaster response director, was also heading to Greensburg.


"The town is completely flattened so it's unlikely we'll be sending our rapid response teams, which often can provide survivors with clean up and short-term repair assistance," Adams said. "Sadly, in Greensburg, there doesn't appear to be much left to repair."


Cherri Baer predicted the emotional impact would be significant.


"We'll have to do a lot of spiritual care and listening," she said. "Everybody was affected by this."


Pastor Gene McIntosh of the Greensburg First United Methodist Church was reported safe with his family after riding out the storm in the parsonage basement. Both the church and homes were severely damaged or destroyed.


Baer said United Methodist volunteer teams were on standby until they are allowed entry to the town.


"I think the volunteers may just have to hang it up for a while," she said. "They're not going to let us in there. (The city) is assessing which structures volunteers can be around to see if any are safe to have volunteers around."


She said that churches from throughout Kansas and the U.S. were calling her to ask how they can help. The conference was asking people to donate to the Kansas Area Disaster Fund and was encouraging churches to take up a special offering Sunday for recovery.

[defenseman]

i may be a lemming or neo con, or kool aid drinker, or what have you, and GB may be too, but it beats dancing like a trained monkey everytime the news says something about bush or the war or whatever.

dance monkeys, dance.

Excellent take.....dman:rofl:

[theAPAOps5]

I'm still stuck at where the guy said his hero is George W. Bush. It's like stumbling through the darkness of the New Guinea jungle and suddenly bumping into a three legged pygmy. I'm speechless.

:rofl:


I was wondering if anyone was going to mention this. The hero comment was what I was sure was going to spark the debate.

[Crushaholic]

:rofl:


I was wondering if anyone was going to mention this. The hero comment was what I was sure was going to spark the debate.

Yeah. I'm a supporter of the president, but hero status is a bit much...

[Rigs11]

Meh. I wont say anything bad about bush in this thread. Those people need goverment support. Bush show us what you can do.

[Stormontheplains]

Good news guys, our church has over 800 people signed up to go saturday. I here the with the other churches here and in Dodge City there could be up to 2000 volunteers. There are a ton of farmers and implement dealers that are sending equipment and operators too. I was told saturday before the people were told to stay out the menonite church had over 600 members cleaning up the farms south of town.

[theAPAOps5]

Good news guys, our church has over 800 people signed up to go saturday. I here the with the other churches here and in Dodge City there could be up to 2000 volunteers. There are a ton of farmers and implement dealers that are sending equipment and operators too. I was told saturday before the people were told to stay out the menonite church had over 600 members cleaning up the farms south of town.

Thats awesome man.

[defenseman]

While Sebelius is busy trying to score political points, the cleanup effort is being coordinated...

http://www.disasternews.net/news/article.php?articleid=3154

Faith-based groups, including MDS, the United Methodist Church, the Christian Reformed World Relief Committee (CRWRC) and Lutheran Disaster Response (LDR), were gearing up to respond.


UMCOR sent in an emergency grant. The Kansas chapter of Voluntary Organizations Active in Disaster (VOAD) was scheduled to meet Tuesday to coordinate its response. The Salvation Army said it sent four mobile feeding units to the area and its officers were providing emotional and spiritual care for survivors. It also was providing relief and shelter to people affected by flooding in northern Kansas, South Dakota, Iowa and Nebraska


LDR was sending a representative to Greensburg and planned meetings with local churches and synod members Tuesday.


"Lutheran Disaster Response is prepared to offer assistance, as needed, in the form of emergency hardship grants and spiritual and emotional care," said Heather Feltman, executive director.


"Once the town has been reopened, we will also be working in coordination with local congregations to coordinate volunteer teams for debris removal and cleanup," she said. "Plans are being made for volunteer teams to begin working this Saturday. After initial assessment has been completed, we will help to organize residents in meeting long-term unmet needs, and volunteer coordination will likely continue through the rebuilding phase."


National and regional VOADs encouraged the public to donate funds to the responders and to not send in any unsolicited supplies or clothing. They also urged people to not come to Greensburg to volunteer, but rather to contact a responding organization to learn how to help.


Mennonite Disaster Service cleanup teams were awaiting the go-ahead to enter town to help residents. Some teams were already assisting people in other affected communities north and east of Greensburg.


King praised the nearby town of Haviland for being so open and welcoming to the hundreds of Greensburg families sheltered there. He said the mood at the shelters was one of shock.


"You can easily hear neighbors asking each other, 'Do you have a house? No? Me neither,'" he said. "And they're also saying, 'My house is gone, how about yours?' It's quite moving here for these residents."


King said the local Mennonite Church pastor and his wife, Jeff and Lori Blackburn, rode out the storm in their basement.


"He said they heard the sirens and ran to the basement, and then the sirens stopped because the electricity was knocked out," he said. "They huddled in the basement and their ears starting popping. I asked him how long it took, and he said it felt like an eternity, but it was maybe five minutes.


"The next thing they noticed was that rain started pouring in on them in the dark," King said. "He thought a pipe broke, but then when he took out his penlight and looked up, sure enough, he saw the sky."


Cherri and Bob Baer, UMCOR disaster response representatives Cherri and Bob Baer were scheduled to arrive Monday to help conference disaster ministers Nancy Profitt and Julie Pohl.


Bill Adams, CRWRC disaster response director, was also heading to Greensburg.


"The town is completely flattened so it's unlikely we'll be sending our rapid response teams, which often can provide survivors with clean up and short-term repair assistance," Adams said. "Sadly, in Greensburg, there doesn't appear to be much left to repair."


Cherri Baer predicted the emotional impact would be significant.


"We'll have to do a lot of spiritual care and listening," she said. "Everybody was affected by this."


Pastor Gene McIntosh of the Greensburg First United Methodist Church was reported safe with his family after riding out the storm in the parsonage basement. Both the church and homes were severely damaged or destroyed.


Baer said United Methodist volunteer teams were on standby until they are allowed entry to the town.


"I think the volunteers may just have to hang it up for a while," she said. "They're not going to let us in there. (The city) is assessing which structures volunteers can be around to see if any are safe to have volunteers around."


She said that churches from throughout Kansas and the U.S. were calling her to ask how they can help. The conference was asking people to donate to the Kansas Area Disaster Fund and was encouraging churches to take up a special offering Sunday for recovery.

Yep, it appears they are showing her how to get the job done without playing politics. Pretty sad excuse for a state representative..dman

[defenseman]

Meh. I wont say anything bad about bush in this thread. Those people need goverment support. Bush show us what you can do.

I agree , send those folks some help GW....dman

[Rohirrim]

Good news guys, our church has over 800 people signed up to go saturday. I here the with the other churches here and in Dodge City there could be up to 2000 volunteers. There are a ton of farmers and implement dealers that are sending equipment and operators too. I was told saturday before the people were told to stay out the menonite church had over 600 members cleaning up the farms south of town.

Good for you guys. Good luck down there. Tell them their neighbors in Colorado are thinking about them. :thumbsup:

[bendog]

This is really bad news for that poor town. I saw they were given disaster site status which normally would mean some federal dollars for rebuilding. But if Bushii is gonna touch it, it's gonna come up ****.

[Crushaholic]

Good for you guys. Good luck down there. Tell them their neighbors in Colorado are thinking about them. :thumbsup:

Speaking of Colorado, Holly is getting very little press. However, they also have a major cleanup job to do...

[Stormontheplains]

Has nothing to do with Bushi, I have the insurance adjuster's in 3 trailers to take care of claims. Talked to the main guy this morning, he told me normally the customer would be required to itemize everything, in this case, they are paying out the full amount allowable by the policies without such pain staking measures. They were writing checks yestarday as people came in. What you will see is what happens when the government is not required to do everything for people, the assistance Bush will give with the effort of the town will make it a do able situation. By the way, where's Spike Lee and all the Hollywood crowd that always takes care of the victims?????

[Stormontheplains]

Speaking of Colorado, Holly is getting very little press. However, they also have a major cleanup job to do...

Holly is kicking ass and taking names. The town already looks 100 times better. I have a guy there in a rv who lost his house. His spirits are great and stated they will be up and running in 10 months.

[Rohirrim]

Has nothing to do with Bushi, I have the insurance adjuster's in 3 trailers to take care of claims. Talked to the main guy this morning, he told me normally the customer would be required to itemize everything, in this case, they are paying out the full amount allowable by the policies without such pain staking measures. They were writing checks yestarday as people came in. What you will see is what happens when the government is not required to do everything for people, the assistance Bush will give with the effort of the town will make it a do able situation. By the way, where's Spike Lee and all the Hollywood crowd that always takes care of the victims?????

He's still down in New Orleans, waiting for Bush. :rofl:

[Stormontheplains]

Whats the difference between Holly, Greensburg, and New Orleans?? Are we not finding the difference in these situations are the will of the people to get back on their feet?

[defenseman]

Whats the difference between Holly, Greensburg, and New Orleans?? Are we not finding the difference in these situations are the will of the people to get back on their feet?

That's part of it, but not all of it...dman

[bendog]

Whats the difference between Holly, Greensburg, and New Orleans?? Are we not finding the difference in these situations are the will of the people to get back on their feet?

You're an idiot AND a racist. Additionally, you underestimate bushii's potential to **** things up. He'd get free blow and hookers and still go over his card's limit.

[Rohirrim]

Whats the difference between Holly, Greensburg, and New Orleans??

I know! I know! Size?

Are we not finding the difference in these situations are the will of the people to get back on their feet?

You've been watching Hannity again.

[Stormontheplains]

You're an idiot AND a racist. Additionally, you underestimate bushii's potential to **** things up. He'd get free blow and hookers and still go over his card's limit.

How in the hell does that make me racist?

[bendog]

You obviously have no clue as to what's happened in NoLA, nor, obviously, do you have any desire or interest to reevaluate your preconcieved, and racist, notions of what's happened. That makes you a stupid racist.

btw, best wishes to Holly. I biked through there 12 years ago. Sad to see what had become of the sugar beet industry.

[theAPAOps5]

He read into your comment about whats the difference between the 3 and getting up on their feet. He then took that innocent reference to New Orleans and parlayed that into you being racist as New Orleans has a rather large population of Afro Americans. So by even, gasp, mentioning New Orleans and getting back on its feet in the same sentance it makes you a racist in some folks eyes. Don't take it personal I know you didn't mean to come across that way.

And for anyone who cares there is no way in hell New Orleans can just get back on its feet. The destruction there was just unfathomable. And sadly it has become a mere memory as the news has moved on. Most people still don't have their homes back in the 9th ward.

[Garcia Bronco]

Most people still don't have their homes back in the 9th ward.


And they never will. I am actually surprised the city hasn't seized the land yet

[theAPAOps5]

And they never will. I am actually surprised the city hasn't seized the land yet

Sadly they are trying. In order to rebuild down there they are making them show plans on the redevelopment and not too many people have been successful at presenting that.

[defenseman]

You obviously have no clue as to what's happened in NoLA, nor, obviously, do you have any desire or interest to reevaluate your preconcieved, and racist, notions of what's happened. That makes you a stupid racist.

btw, best wishes to Holly. I biked through there 12 years ago. Sad to see what had become of the sugar beet industry.

I think you are dead wrong about that bendog. I saw no racial reference whatsoever.....dman

[Spider]

Whats the difference between Holly, Greensburg, and New Orleans?? Are we not finding the difference in these situations are the will of the people to get back on their feet?
Huh ? comparing the cost and the labor and how easy it is to get back on track of 2 small community's vs a Big city getting wiped out ?
you know whats really sad is this question was even asked ..............
I dont know maybe people dont have a grasp of what it is like in a big city , all they understand is their little part of the world ...........But putting 5,000 people back on track compared to 500,000,000 should be pretty self evident in the difference ............

[theAPAOps5]

But putting 5,000 people back on track compared to 500,000,000 should be pretty self evident in the difference ............

Which is monumental as that is larger than the population of America!!!!!!!!! ;D

[defenseman]

And they never will. I am actually surprised the city hasn't seized the land yet

They should. why build where in an area where a hurricane will wipe you out, and you can't afford the insurance to cover the house anyway.....dman

*If they desire to rebuild, the cost of insurance, once building is complete, should fall squarely on their shoulders, not anyone elses. They want it, they pay for it.

[bendog]

I'm still not sure he didn't mean it that way. If you listen to Faux, you definitely get a racist take. If he didn't, I'm sorry.

It's not really the amount of destruction in NOLA. It's the damage to the economy. After 9-11, bushii waived the requirement that the state match federal dollars in order to recieve the aid. Despite requests he do the same for NOLA, he refuses. Read his motives anyway you like.

NOLA's tourist industry isn't back. Worse, small businessmen left and aren't coming back. They set up in Baton Rouge, Jackson, Hou, etc. The jobs are permanently gone. Tax collections are way down. The state is taking a hit not only from trying to find state money for recovery, but they're also having to fund NOLA's basic services.

The property in the lower 9th that needs to be condemned is on hold because NOLA cannot even find the owners to do emmient domain, and even if they did, they don't have the money.

I'm buying a bike from a shop down there. I'm getting out of paying sales tax. Legally. But I almost feel guilty. I'm supporting a local merchant, and I'll be going down again, and frequent the restaurants. I'd hit Martin's liquor, but they're Metarie branch is closed, maybe forever, and the one in the garden district isn't convenient.

[Rohirrim]

I don't know. Storm pointed out earlier how the insurance agents just walked in and started handing out checks. In New Orleans, they came down and said, "We know you have flood insurance, but the flood didn't knock down your house. The wind did it. Sorry."

[Spider]

They should. why build where in an area where a hurricane will wipe you out, and you can't afford the insurance to cover the house anyway.....dman

*If they desire to rebuild, the cost of insurance, once building is complete, should fall squarely on their shoulders, not anyone elses. They want it, they pay for it.

Stop talking out of both sides of your neck , you dont want people to live in Hurricane areas , then the same has to be said for Tornado alley , Flooding of the Mississippi valley , California and earthquakes ............... gets to be alot more when you start displacing people ........ think things through

[defenseman]

I'm still not sure he didn't mean it that way. If you listen to Faux, you definitely get a racist take. If he didn't, I'm sorry.

It's not really the amount of destruction in NOLA. It's the damage to the economy. After 9-11, bushii waived the requirement that the state match federal dollars in order to recieve the aid. Despite requests he do the same for NOLA, he refuses. Read his motives anyway you like.

NOLA's tourist industry isn't back. Worse, small businessmen left and aren't coming back. They set up in Baton Rouge, Jackson, Hou, etc. The jobs are permanently gone. Tax collections are way down. The state is taking a hit not only from trying to find state money for recovery, but they're also having to fund NOLA's basic services.

The property in the lower 9th that needs to be condemned is on hold because NOLA cannot even find the owners to do emmient domain, and even if they did, they don't have the money.

I'm buying a bike from a shop down there. I'm getting out of paying sales tax. Legally. But I almost feel guilty. I'm supporting a local merchant, and I'll be going down again, and frequent the restaurants. I'd hit Martin's liquor, but they're Metarie branch is closed, maybe forever, and the one in the garden district isn't convenient.

There once. Don't care for the area myself. I do like Mississippi. Like Charleston , SC and Savannah, GA. Don't like NO though....dman

[Spider]

Which is monumental as that is larger than the population of America!!!!!!!!! ;D

a few to many zeros , but my point still stands ;D I was shooting for 50,000

[defenseman]

Stop talking out of both sides of your neck , you dont want people to live in Hurricane areas , then the same has to be said for Tornado alley , Flooding of the Mississippi valley , California and earthquakes ............... gets to be alot more when you start displacing people ........ think things through

Been there done that. I pay insurance happily where I live. Not flood prone, however we do get an occassional tornado. IF I desired to live in an area that was flood prone, I'd pay the hiked up insurance cost, I wouldn't want anyone else carrying my burden that's for sure. That said, my point is, NO is subject to the annual hurricane season and the potential for a complete wipeout exist year in and year out. IF I'm an insurance company, I'm raising their premium through the roof for the risk alone. The choice is theirs. However, for public safety I'm thinking someone needs to step in and permanently correct that fishbowl of a city, a disaster waiting to happen..dman

[theAPAOps5]

I will go back to NOLA, as the only time I was there was when it was at its worst. It sounded like every town. Great parts of the city and seedy parts of the city. Bendog does raise good points about the recovery effort there, or the lack there of.

[bendog]

I don't know. Storm pointed out earlier how the insurance agents just walked in and started handing out checks. In New Orleans, they came down and said, "We know you have flood insurance, but the flood didn't knock down your house. The wind did it. Sorry."

The insurance companies are ****ing over the guys in Mississippi who had both wind, and then flood, damage. I don't think NOLA is in that boat. Pun intended. Rural Louisiana may be the same as Miss, but I haven't heard.

What to me is heartbreaking about the lower ninth is that community activists worked for years getting the people who lived there to buy the houses and get out of the rent. Then this happened. Most had no flood insurance. And they don't have the money to buy back in.

I will admit that Miss's congress folks are not only better positioned with bushii to get stuff, they're competent, unlike LA's. It's a shame that Sen Breaux retired. Assuming a DIM gets elected potus, I think NOLA will be ok. They need a. money. b. expedited ways of getting emminent domain. c. the political will at the local level to make the unpopular decision to downsize the city radically, but that's happening on it's own. The mayor just doesn't want to admit it, yet.

[Spider]

Been there done that. I pay insurance happily where I live. Not flood prone, however we do get an occassional tornado. IF I desired to live in an area that was flood prone, I'd pay the hiked up insurance cost, I wouldn't want anyone else carrying my burden that's for sure. That said, my point is, NO is subject to the annual hurricane season and the potential for a complete wipeout exist year in and year out. IF I'm an insurance company, I'm raising their premium through the roof for the risk alone. The choice is theirs. However, for public safety I'm thinking someone needs to step in and permanently correct that fishbowl of a city, a disaster waiting to happen..dman

Oklahoma is subject to tornadoes and in alot of areas flash flooding , people sholdnt live there because of the risk ....... Might as well shut Texas down also , tornadoes, Hurricanes , flooding , People shouldnt live there because of the risk involved ......... see where I am going with this ?

[Crushaholic]

I think you missed dman's point, Spider. The way that particular city (New Orleans) is set up is a recipe for disaster.

[defenseman]

Oklahoma is subject to tornadoes and in alot of areas flash flooding , people sholdnt live there because of the risk ....... Might as well shut Texas down also , tornadoes, Hurricanes , flooding , People shouldnt live there because of the risk involved ......... see where I am going with this ?

Acceptable risk, not out of this world risk, which is what NO's is. Off the charts risk is not a good risk. You can't live without any risk at all no matter where you live, however acceptable risk should be the norm.....dman

[Hotrod]

Oklahoma is subject to tornadoes and in alot of areas flash flooding , people sholdnt live there because of the risk ....... Might as well shut Texas down also , tornadoes, Hurricanes , flooding , People shouldnt live there because of the risk involved ......... see where I am going with this ?

Oh no you don't............we all know where they would move :nono:

[defenseman]

I think you missed dman's point, Spider. The way that particular city (New Orleans) is set up is a recipe for disaster.

There is acceptable risk, then there is off the charts risk. Off the charts risk could end up burdening more than just those directly affected by it. Ergo, not a good risk, they need to fix it or forget it...dman

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I'm still stuck at where the guy said his hero is George W. Bush. It's like stumbling through the darkness of the New Guinea jungle and suddenly bumping into a three legged pygmy. I'm speechless.

ROFL! ^5

http://www.manindemand.com/uploaded_images/0805073396.01.LZZZZZZZ-712531.jpg

[Spider]

Acceptable risk, not out of this world risk, which is what NO's is. Off the charts risk is not a good risk. You can't live without any risk at all no matter where you live, however acceptable risk should be the norm.....dman

says who ? whats acceptable ? you live in those areas , you know damn well you are rolling the dice ......... No different then California , earth quakes , mud slides ............ Ok maybe this will help ..........
The west here , lets take wyoming , Severe winters , wild fires , high altitude = More lightning strikes , so if no one lived here ,cause these are not aceptable risk , then who would do the work that needs to be done here ? Coal , Nat.Gas , Oil , Methane , pipe lines .............
Point is NOLA brought money into the economy , someone has to live there ......

[Spider]

Oh no you don't............we all know where they would move :nono:

Hilarious! texan with a uhaul in colorado ..........

[Spider]

I think you missed dman's point, Spider. The way that particular city (New Orleans) is set up is a recipe for disaster.

LOL so basicaly here it is , it is better to have a mobile home land on your family or die in a earthquake , mudslide , or freeze to death then to drown .......
freezing to death is a reality here in Wyoming .......... Winters here take more lives ......... and thats a given ........so from Montana on down to Nothern New Mexico is set up for disaster .........

[Spider]

how many people die in winter ? car wrecks ? freezing ? illness ?
so if we used D mans logic , every one north of I 20 needs to move .........

[Garcia Bronco]

a few to many zeros , but my point still stands ;D I was shooting for 50,000

Trucker Math...no wonder gas is so high:thanku:

[Spider]

Trucker Math...no wonder gas is so high:thanku:

LOL and my log books leave even the brightest minds where I work saying WTF .......no way he did 250K miles yesterday ;D

[Garcia Bronco]

Just to be clear....a bank will not write paper on a property in a flood plain without flood insurance

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Just to be clear....a bank will not write paper on a property in a flood plain without flood insuranceJust to be "clearer", property located in a flood plain is basically automatically covered (NFIP).

[Spider]

and just to be even more clear ...............people who live in flooding areas should own boats

[bendog]

I dropped my flood insurance when I re-fied. I was required to have it with a federal home mortgage loan.

What the feds did in Miss was let people retroactively buy into the fed flood insurance program. It's capped at 250k. And they will deduct the amount of fema aid a person got. Unfortunately, the feds ain't sending the checks as fast as they said they would.

[Hotrod]

and just to be even more clear ...............people who live in flooding areas should own boats

LOL I'd be screwed. Damn local fishing tourny this weekend and once again the POS boat is out of operation. I'm gonna buy a raft and 2 ores next time

[bendog]

and just to be even more clear ...............people who live in flooding areas should own boats

screwed there too

http://www.bymnews.com/photos/displayimage.php?album=276&pid=11325

[Spider]

screwed there too

http://www.bymnews.com/photos/displayimage.php?album=276&pid=11325

ok to be even more clear , people who live in flood prone areas , should own really fast speed boats to our run the water ;D

[Spider]

LOL I'd be screwed. Damn local fishing tourny this weekend and once again the POS boat is out of operation. I'm gonna buy a raft and 2 ores next time

Break
Out
Another
Thousand dollars .............

[Hotrod]

Break
Out
Another
Thousand dollars .............

Thats the truth.

2 happiest days in every boat owners life

1. The day he get his shiney new boat
2. The day he sells that rusty old tin can

[bendog]

Seriously, I'd only live near the coast if I had my own uhaul, and enough gas to top of a pick up. And, my house would have to be wash and wear ... with outdoor carpeting.

[theAPAOps5]

Seriously, I'd only live near the coast if I had my own uhaul, and enough gas to top of a pick up. And, my house would have to be wash and wear ... with outdoor carpeting.

Word I lived in Savannah, GA while in High School. We lived right where the rivers flowed into the ocean. Any storm as much as came near the coast and the storm surge was flooding something. That is another town that has dodged bullets with Hurricanes. There are a lot of cities that will be underwater if/when one hits.

[Stormontheplains]

I am not racist Bendong, I am however of a older cultcher where you dont take hand outs, and your judged soley on how hard you work. My family is simple hard working farmers, who have never had land in CRP, and also drove tractors to washington dc in protest of wheat prices. Hopefully you understand where I am coming from.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

and just to be even more clear ...............people who live in flooding areas should own boatsWhy not :)





http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8451/meboatyw4.jpg

[Spider]

Why not :)





http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8451/meboatyw4.jpg

who is the chick on the boat ?;D

[Stormontheplains]

Governor and White House Make Nice
Email: news@kake.com (news@kake.com)

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WHITE HOUSE (AP) -- Both the White House and the governor of Kansas are backing away from their finger pointing over the relief
efforts after last week's deadly tornado in Kansas.
Governor Kathleen Sebelius had said that the war in Iraq had exposed holes in domestic disaster response and that missing National Guard equipment would have been helpful in removing debris.
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Sebelius hadn't asked for heavy equipment. But he later said that
the state had asked for -- and received -- a mobile command center
and a mobile office building, an urban search and rescue team and
coordination on extra Blackhawk helicopters.
A spokeswoman for the governor now says Sebelius didn't mean to
imply that the state was ill-equipped to deal with this storm. She
says the comments were meant as a warning about the state's
inability to handle additional disasters.

[Bronco Bob]

how many people die in winter ? car wrecks ? freezing ? illness ?
so if we used D mans logic , every one north of I 20 needs to move .........

Actually the biggest killer in America in regards to climate is heat.
More people die in heat waves than any other event, ie
hurricanes, floods, tornadoes, blizzards, or lightening.
Surprisingly it isn't places like Arizona or Nevada where a lot of
them die from the heat. People there are used to it, know how
to dress, when to take a break, and most of them have air
conditioning. It's people from northern states who fare the
worst because they aren't used to it.

[Spider]

Actually the biggest killer in America in regards to climate is heat.
More people die in heat waves than any other event, ie
hurricanes, floods, tornadoes, blizzards, or lightening.
Surprisingly it isn't places like Arizona or Nevada where a lot of
them die from the heat. People there are used to it, know how
to dress, when to take a break, and most of them have air
conditioning. It's people from northern states who fare the
worst because they aren't used to it.

well shít , looks like we have to live in a dome .........But yeah I had s heat stroke last year in Houston texas after I busted my head open with a chain ...... I guess loss of blood caused it ........

[Needa Pass Rush]

and besides people Kansas dont want handouts or help , they will do it on their own

That's why they are a red state.

[Spider]

That's why they are a red state.

thats fine but dont bítch and moan and wonder why people are not lining up to help ..........

[Needa Pass Rush]

thats fine but dont bítch and moan and wonder why people are not lining up to help ..........


The only bitching and moaning I have heard is from the Governor. Misguided b&m given the reaction from the populace of KS.

Have the people of Greenburg been complaining? I haven't seen any reports of that. I'm sure the surrounding towns such as Kinsley have backfilled into their community with an outpouring of compassion.

[Spider]

The only b****ing and moaning I have heard is from the Governor. Misguided b&m given the reaction from the populace of KS.

Have the people of Greenburg been complaining? I haven't seen any reports of that. I'm sure the surrounding towns such as Kinsley have backfilled into their community with an outpouring of compassion.

read much ? perhaps not
Instead of running your mouths your jokers out to take a couple days off from work, buy some work gloves, and come help with the clean up. I know you would learn alot from a hillbilly.

[Spider]

you know reading post before telling someone whats what is not overrated .......

[Spider]

Now needsapassrush you explian this to me since you seem to have a understanding ......... redstate do it on their own , then you should take a couple of days off of work and come help ..........

[Needa Pass Rush]

Don't go getting your stained shorts all twisted up, Spider. Did it really take you three posts to get all that off your chest. It was a legitimate question. I haven't read any pieces that show the people of Greenburg crying out for help.



Tim Schieferecke

Hi, my name is Tim Schieferecke and I'm a native western Kansas farmboy. No, I don't know anyone from Greensburg as I'm from northwest Kansas, but I do know what rural folks from anywhere in Kansas are like. Apparently my current leftist Governor Kathleen Sebelius doesn't though, nor does she comprehend the availability of heavy equipment assets.

It was hard for me to hold my lunch down when I heard her craft an anti-Bush spin on the disaster that befell the good people of Greensburg. Slow recovery? This statement is disingenuous at best but in local lingo better understood as a downright lie.

We need trucks? It seems the good Governor doesn't get out of Topeka much. Western Kansas is wheat country, and where there's wheat there's wheat trucks. Incidentally, they fill in quite nicely for hauling away debris when they aren't filled with grain. Why do they really need Hum-vees in the mix? What can they accomplish that a regular old four wheel drive pick-up can't? Other equipment? You can't spit without hitting a tractor, spit a little harder and you'll hit one that has a handy scoop.

As far as the people go, they are salt of the earth good people, regardless of race, class or creed in the country. Unlike certain areas affected by disaster, the people of Greensburg will take care of their current problems themselves. They will not wait for the government to do this or that, because in the country people still know what it means to be a good neighbor.

Growing up in this environment, I remember time after time the lessons my Dad taught me about being a good neighbor. Neighbors in the country take care of each other. From helping a neighbor get cattle back in to helping harvest his wheat if he was ill, neighbors in the country do whatever they can for each other as well as for anyone who happens to have a vehicle breakdown while passing through. So it will be with Greensburg.

Also, I'd like the Governor to explain just how many National Guard troops it takes to seal off a little town of 1500 from looters? The good Governor points out plainly opportunistically that 40% of all troops overseas are National Guard. Now, assuming that 40% of Kansas troops are engaged elsewhere (that's 3,200 of approximately 8,000 total, there are an estimated 4,800 troops available). To guard a town of 1,500? Do they have that many down on the border? That sounds like overkill to me!

It is beyond me how these libs spin everything towards making our good President guilty of this or that. How is it that President Bush has anything at all to do with a slow response to the catastrophe? How could ANYTHING have been done differently. Oh yeah, I forgot, Bush created global warming by colluding with big oil, that created the perfect F-5 tornado, and if only he had signed Kyoto this tragedy never would have happened. Give me a break!

[Spider]

Don't go getting your stained shorts all twisted up, Spider. Did it really take you three posts to get all that off your chest. It was a legitimate question. I haven't read any pieces that show the people of Greenburg crying out for help.



Tim Schieferecke

Hi, my name is Tim Schieferecke and I'm a native western Kansas farmboy. No, I don't know anyone from Greensburg as I'm from northwest Kansas, but I do know what rural folks from anywhere in Kansas are like. Apparently my current leftist Governor Kathleen Sebelius doesn't though, nor does she comprehend the availability of heavy equipment assets.

It was hard for me to hold my lunch down when I heard her craft an anti-Bush spin on the disaster that befell the good people of Greensburg. Slow recovery? This statement is disingenuous at best but in local lingo better understood as a downright lie.

We need trucks? It seems the good Governor doesn't get out of Topeka much. Western Kansas is wheat country, and where there's wheat there's wheat trucks. Incidentally, they fill in quite nicely for hauling away debris when they aren't filled with grain. Why do they really need Hum-vees in the mix? What can they accomplish that a regular old four wheel drive pick-up can't? Other equipment? You can't spit without hitting a tractor, spit a little harder and you'll hit one that has a handy scoop.

As far as the people go, they are salt of the earth good people, regardless of race, class or creed in the country. Unlike certain areas affected by disaster, the people of Greensburg will take care of their current problems themselves. They will not wait for the government to do this or that, because in the country people still know what it means to be a good neighbor.

Growing up in this environment, I remember time after time the lessons my Dad taught me about being a good neighbor. Neighbors in the country take care of each other. From helping a neighbor get cattle back in to helping harvest his wheat if he was ill, neighbors in the country do whatever they can for each other as well as for anyone who happens to have a vehicle breakdown while passing through. So it will be with Greensburg.

Also, I'd like the Governor to explain just how many National Guard troops it takes to seal off a little town of 1500 from looters? The good Governor points out plainly opportunistically that 40% of all troops overseas are National Guard. Now, assuming that 40% of Kansas troops are engaged elsewhere (that's 3,200 of approximately 8,000 total, there are an estimated 4,800 troops available). To guard a town of 1,500? Do they have that many down on the border? That sounds like overkill to me!

It is beyond me how these libs spin everything towards making our good President guilty of this or that. How is it that President Bush has anything at all to do with a slow response to the catastrophe? How could ANYTHING have been done differently. Oh yeah, I forgot, Bush created global warming by colluding with big oil, that created the perfect F-5 tornado, and if only he had signed Kyoto this tragedy never would have happened. Give me a break!

and this has what to do with the quote I posted ? I really dont give a damn what the gov of Kansas has to say .......... Just a poster is all , but hey dont feel bad I have ot teach my Kids the same lesson as you just learned

[Needa Pass Rush]

]and this has what to do with the quote I posted ? I really dont give a damn what the gov of Kansas has to say .......... Just a poster is all , but hey dont feel bad I have ot teach my Kids the same lesson as you just learned

lol I'm always amused by the self impressed.

Your little quote from Storm was taken completely out of context. Go back and reread his whole post. He was obviously emotional from the tragedy he has endured and didn't appreciate the political oppotunism.

Here, i did it for you. Reads a little different when you add everything he had to say instead of just what you want to hear.

You guys are making me sick with your comments. Your lack of sincerity when lives have been lost, and those living with the pain of rebuilding their life. All of you support the terrorist more than the victim's because were a red state that supports bush. Just so you know that town has buried a soldier in the last year, so the war has impacted them. Instead of running your mouths your jokers out to take a couple days off from work, buy some work gloves, and come help with the clean up. I know you would learn alot from a hillbilly.

[Spider]

lol I'm always amused by the self impressed.

Your little quote from Storm was taken completely out of context. Go back and reread his whole post. He was obviously emotional from the tragedy he has endured and didn't appreciate the political oppotunism.

and so whats your point ? I know he was emotional , but that doesnt change what he said ........ Perhaps you can post something from the LT governor of Kansas

[Needa Pass Rush]

and so whats your point ? I know he was emotional , but that doesnt change what he said ........ Perhaps you can post something from the LT governor of Kansas
My point is that Storm wasn't asking for help, as you contended. He was issuing a challange to the ass that called the good people of Kansas hillbillies. He knows that callous prick would learn a great deal about humility and respect from the people of his devasted community.
Reading is one thing, Spider... but what good is it if you don't comprehend the words?

[Spider]

My point is that Storm wasn't asking for help, as you contended. He was issuing a challange to the ass that called the good people of Kansas hillbillies. He knows that callous prick would learn a great deal about humility and respect from the people of his devasted community.
Reading is one thing, Spider... but what good is it if you don't comprehend the words?
Spin .......
same difference , either way he is inviting help ......... Perhaps you can post something from the Greensburg mayor.and that is the entire point ........ you stepped in without knowing what you was babbling about ....... just admit it and move on

[Needa Pass Rush]

Spin .......
same difference , either way he is inviting help ......... Perhaps you can post something from the Greensburg mayor.and that is the entire point ........ you stepped in without knowing what you was babbling about ....... just admit it and move on

If I was getting my air-suspended ass handed to me I would want the other guy to move on as well. I accept your resignation.

[Spider]

If I was getting my air-suspended ass handed to me I would want the other guy to move on as well. I accept your resignation.

LOL if you say so , all you did was spin and backpeddal ,and make excuses ........ nothing you said changed the fact that Storm invited help ....... perhaps you could post something from the Nebraska governor........

[Needa Pass Rush]

I think if anyone follows the thread through they will see whom was spinning whom. Your insistance that Storm was really crying out for help is pretty lame. Even your limited comprehension skills can make that simple connection.

You get extra points for adeptly congratulating yourself and what other forms of self-gratification your endulging in, however. tsk tsk :wiggle:

[Spider]

I think if anyone follows the thread through they will see whom was spinning whom. Your insistance that Storm was really crying out for help is pretty lame. Even your limited comprehension skills can make that simple connection.

You get extra points for adeptly congratulating yourself and what other forms of self-gratification your endulging in, however. tsk tsk :wiggle:

well at least you didnt make another lame excuse , but you are right people will see .....From we will do it on our own no handouts , to inviting someone to come and help ......

[Needa Pass Rush]

well at least you didnt make another lame excuse , but you are right people will see .....From we will do it on our own no handouts , to inviting someone to come and help ......

What you're stating is that the quote below is an invitation to come help and not an offer to provide someone an education. Check.


You guys are making me sick with your comments. Your lack of sincerity when lives have been lost, and those living with the pain of rebuilding their lives. All of you support the terrorists more than the victims because we're a red state that supports bush. Just so you know, that town has buried a soldier in the last year, so the war has impacted them. Instead of running your mouths you jokers ought to take a couple days off from work, buy some work gloves, and come help with the clean up. I know you would learn alot from a hillbilly.

[Bronco Bob]

Tim Schieferecke

Hi, my name is Tim Schieferecke and I'm a native western Kansas farmboy. No, I don't know anyone from Greensburg as I'm from northwest Kansas, but I do know what rural folks from anywhere in Kansas are like. Apparently my current leftist Governor Kathleen Sebelius doesn't though, nor does she comprehend the availability of heavy equipment assets.

It was hard for me to hold my lunch down when I heard her craft an anti-Bush spin on the disaster that befell the good people of Greensburg. Slow recovery? This statement is disingenuous at best but in local lingo better understood as a downright lie.



I've got a question for you folks. Was this governor elected by the people
of Kansas, or did someone from San Francisco appoint her as governor?
Is she from Kansas, or from New York City? See, I'm getting a disconnect here.
If the majority of Kansans are red-neck, red state, right wingers, that think
W is God's younger son, and that this woman doesn't speak for Kansans,
how did this woman come to be governor of Kansas?

[Crushaholic]

I've got a question for you folks. Was this governor elected by the people
of Kansas, or did someone from San Francisco appoint her as governor?
Is she from Kansas, or from New York City? See, I'm getting a disconnect here.
If the majority of Kansans are red-neck, red state, right wingers, that think
W is God's younger son, and that this woman doesn't speak for Kansans,
how did this woman come to be governor of Kansas?

The Republican choices were lame both times (this is her second term). She has charisma, to which a lot of voters were attracted.

[Spider]

What you're stating is that the quote below is an invitation to come help and not an offer to provide someone an education. Check.
Storm didnt say come on down and see how real folk do it ......... he said grab gloves . hint meaning work .
he is still inviting help , from an outsider , you can spin it as a challenge , but it is still an invite , I like storm he is a stand up guy , but there is no changing the fact he invited outside help ........ not that hard to figure out ..well maybe it is for you .......

[Blueflame]

]

lol I'm always amused by the self impressed.

Your little quote from Storm was taken completely out of context. Go back and reread his whole post. He was obviously emotional from the tragedy he has endured and didn't appreciate the political oppotunism.

Here, i did it for you. Reads a little different when you add everything he had to say instead of just what you want to hear.

What I thought he didn't appreciate was others' perception that if there was any "political opportunism" here, it was on the part of "his hero"... using the disaster as a photo-op half a week later.... kinda like he did with New Orleans after Katrina.

[clarkster]

says who ? whats acceptable ? you live in those areas , you know damn well you are rolling the dice ......... No different then California , earth quakes , mud slides ............ Ok maybe this will help ..........
The west here , lets take wyoming , Severe winters , wild fires , high altitude = More lightning strikes , so if no one lived here ,cause these are not aceptable risk , then who would do the work that needs to be done here ? Coal , Nat.Gas , Oil , Methane , pipe lines .............
Point is NOLA brought money into the economy , someone has to live there ......

i took it as, and this is how i feel as well, if you live in an area prone to flooding/earthquake/tornado, you sack up for the cash either to repair/or the higher premium insurance. i think thats fair. and if you dont, you dont get the govt to bail you out. no matter. its like an asshole driving like an asshole without insurance. he doesnt care,or cant afford, and ill have to pay for it.

[defenseman]

thats fine but dont bítch and moan and wonder why people are not lining up to help ..........

So, New Orleans shouldn't bitch and moan either?....dman

[defenseman]

i took it as, and this is how i feel as well, if you live in an area prone to flooding/earthquake/tornado, you sack up for the cash either to repair/or the higher premium insurance. i think thats fair. and if you dont, you dont get the govt to bail you out. no matter. its like an a-hole driving like an a-hole without insurance. he doesnt care,or cant afford, and ill have to pay for it.

Big bingo for clarkster. And, I am not interested in paying more money on my "insurance" because bubba down in NO "Doesn't" have any freaking insurance. His bag, not mine. He's responsible, not me. He decided to live there without the proper insurance, his freaking problem..dman

[defenseman]

The Republican choices were lame both times (this is her second term). She has charisma, to which a lot of voters were attracted.

She's a hack. the state has some issues right now that has to get resolved. Property taxes and the lack of controls is just the start of the issues down there. I will say, Kansas has alot of beautiful areas. Especially eastern Kansas. Not a bad place to be wrt to the midwest overall....dman

[Stormontheplains]

Please dont attack spide, he has had my back and I will have his. Bottom line to all this is my pride in the midwest and what we as a people can accomplish without the government. As far as our governer, she was forced by the people to change her stance on the comments made. My rep out of this district told me the Goveners office was flooded with phone calls and emails of pissed off voters.

[defenseman]

Please dont attack spide, he has had my back and I will have his. Bottom line to all this is my pride in the midwest and what we as a people can accomplish without the government. As far as our governer, she was forced by the people to change her stance on the comments made. My rep out of this district told me the Goveners office was flooded with phone calls and emails of pissed off voters.

That's all good. However, she is still a political hack and her comments were uncalled for. That said, the spot light has shifted to harry reid since he went off yesterday in DC echoing everything she said to the house. He knows he's lying and yet he keeps opening his yap. Really freaking sad..dman

[Spider]

Please dont attack spide, he has had my back and I will have his. Bottom line to all this is my pride in the midwest and what we as a people can accomplish without the government. As far as our governer, she was forced by the people to change her stance on the comments made. My rep out of this district told me the Goveners office was flooded with phone calls and emails of pissed off voters.

LOL well with government involved , a job that took 6 weeks would take 6 months ....... we had a mini disaster here in Wyoming last year 110 barrels of oil got dumped out of a pipeleine ......... clean up would have been alot faster if not for all the EPA testing ....... when 110 55 gallon barrels of oil is dumped on the ground , dont really need to many test to figure out that is a bad thing .......

[Stormontheplains]

She is not a political hack, she is a attention whore who wants so badly to reach the national level in politics. I talked to her when she came out before the election, and she promised me in front of other voters that she would not use us as a platform to further the left wing cause. I reminded her of that comment when I sent her a nasty email on monday

[bendog]

I am not racist Bendong, I am however of a older cultcher where you dont take hand outs, and your judged soley on how hard you work. My family is simple hard working farmers, who have never had land in CRP, and also drove tractors to washington dc in protest of wheat prices. Hopefully you understand where I am coming from.


I dunno man. Seems to me you're just spouting the stuff I hear on Faux. I'll apologize on the rationale that any racism that comes from your views is unintentional. We all have views like that. So, I'm sorry for slamming you.

However, Kansas is taking federal dollars as the storm sites have been labled disaster sites. And, your comparison of the disasters is seriously factually flawed.

[defenseman]

She is not a political hack, she is a attention whore who wants so badly to reach the national level in politics. I talked to her when she came out before the election, and she promised me in front of other voters that she would not use us as a platform to further the left wing cause. I reminded her of that comment when I sent her a nasty email on monday

I'll accept that. Gee, that sounds like Hillabroom...dman

[defenseman]

I dunno man. Seems to me you're just spouting the stuff I hear on Faux. I'll apologize on the rationale that any racism that comes from your views is unintentional. We all have views like that. So, I'm sorry for slamming you.

However, Kansas is taking federal dollars as the storm sites have been labled disaster sites. And, your comparison of the disasters is seriously factually flawed.

You are a good egg dog, I don't care what they say about you...:wiggle: :wave: 8') ..dman

[Crushaholic]

I'll accept that. Gee, that sounds like Hillabroom...dman

She was actually being talked about in some circles as a possible VP candidate if Hillary gets the Dem nomination. The comparisons to Madame Clinton go far beyond the fact both of them are women.

[Rohirrim]

I guess Bush showed up today and walked around a bit. The secret service had to shuffle him off to his helicopter when he started telling the locals that since the tornado was probably spawned in Colorado, they should invade Nebraska.

[bendog]

You are a good egg dog, I don't care what they say about you...:wiggle: :wave: 8') ..dman

Thanks.

I PM'd this story to a poster who lost a house in Katrina. If anyone else knows anybody who lost a house, please forward it to them.

State officials have said about 80,000 people are living in about 23,000 FEMA trailers in Mississippi. Every month, about 1,000 trailers are abandoned as families move into alternative housing. By the end of June, officials anticipate there will be about 20,000 trailers remaining on the Coast.

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007705090341

[defenseman]

She was actually being talked about in some circles as a possible VP candidate if Hillary gets the Dem nomination. The comparisons to Madame Clinton go far beyond the fact both of them are women.

Oh, now look what we have to deal with in one possible future. Scary freaking thought if you ask me, female pres/V.pres combo, man I wouldn't want to be part of that staff. Don't see this one happening..dman

[Stormontheplains]

Poll from Kake news on the comments of the Govener

Question:Do you agree with Governor Sebelius' comments on the war depleting the National Guard?

So Far Yes:39.4
No:60.6
Seems as though that talk doesnt score well with the people of Kansas

[Rascal]

Sebelius screwed up in her comments and since then she has backed down. She, and other governor's, are concerned/upset with how the guard is being used and the guards inability, or reduced capacity, to deal with domestic situations. While that is a valid concern, and one that Bush has failed to address, the manner in which she tried to politicize the Greensburg disaster to convey that point was idiotic.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18577506/site/newsweek/

Her focus should have been on providing the necessary equipment to help them out, not focus on the possibility of the guard being overstretched and not being able to help because it was helping in this situation.

What she should have done, was wait a week or so, initiated a study during that time to determine that if another disaster had occurred, or if this had been worse, would the guard had been able to cope. If that study revealed that the guard would not be able to, then she could state "The guard is unable to deal with the domestic problems because of the war in Iraq. We were fortunate that the guard was able to deal with this problem in the excellent manner that they did considering their current obligations to the War and here, but if this disaster had been somehow worse, or another disaster had occurred, then they would not have been able to sufficiently help with those disasters. I, and the other governor's, have repeatedly asked for this administration to not only replenish the number of reservists but their equipment. And the administration has failed to do so. It is my fear, that if the administration continues to follow their present course, we are putting the civilians here at risk of another New Orleans".

Instead she was hot headed and an idiot. But so is Bush.

[Spider]

Sebelius screwed up in her comments and since then she has backed down. She, and other governor's, are concerned/upset with how the guard is being used and the guards inability, or reduced capacity, to deal with domestic situations. While that is a valid concern, and one that Bush has failed to address, the manner in which she tried to politicize the Greensburg disaster to convey that point was idiotic.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18577506/site/newsweek/

Her focus should have been on providing the necessary equipment to help them out, not focus on the possibility of the guard being overstretched and not being able to help because it was helping in this situation.

What she should have done, was wait a week or so, initiated a study during that time to determine that if another disaster had occurred, or if this had been worse, would the guard had been able to cope. If that study revealed that the guard would not be able to, then she could state "The guard is unable to deal with the domestic problems because of the war in Iraq. We were fortunate that the guard was able to deal with this problem in the excellent manner that they did considering their current obligations to the War and here, but if this disaster had been somehow worse, or another disaster had occurred, then they would not have been able to sufficiently help with those disasters. I, and the other governor's, have repeatedly asked for this administration to not only replenish the number of reservists but their equipment. And the administration has failed to do so. It is my fear, that if the administration continues to follow their present course, we are putting the civilians here at risk of another New Orleans".

Instead she was hot headed and an idiot. But so is Bush.
Damn dude , you need to stop ......... I enjoyed it when we argued ;D now you go and spew this crap , you are taking my job .......... Job stealer