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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-04-2007, 09:01 AM
By William F. Buckley Jr.

The political problem of the Bush administration is grave, possibly beyond the point of rescue. The opinion polls are savagely decisive on the Iraq question. About 60 percent of Americans wish the war ended — wish at least a timetable for orderly withdrawal. What is going on in Congress is in the nature of accompaniment. The vote in Congress is simply another salient in the war against war in Iraq. Republican forces, with a couple of exceptions, held fast against the Democrats’ attempt to force Bush out of Iraq even if it required fiddling with the Constitution. President Bush will of course veto the bill, but its impact is critically important in the consolidation of public opinion. It can now accurately be said that the legislature, which writes the people’s laws, opposes the war.

Meanwhile, George Tenet, former head of the CIA, has just published a book which seems to demonstrate that there was one part ignorance, one part bullheadedness, in the high-level discussions before war became policy. Mr. Tenet at least appears to demonstrate that there was nothing in the nature of a genuine debate on the question. What he succeeded in doing was aborting a speech by Vice President Cheney which alleged a Saddam/al Qaeda relationship which had not in fact been established.

It isn’t that Tenet now doubts the lethality of the terrorists. What he disputed was an organizational connection which argued for war against Iraq as if Iraq were a vassal state of al Qaeda. A measure of George Tenet’s respect for the reach and malevolence of the enemy is his statement that he is puzzled that Al Qaeda has not, since 2001, sent out “suicide bombers to cause chaos in a half dozen American shopping malls on any given day.” By way of prophecy, he writes that there is one thing he feels in his gut, which is that “Al Qaeda is here and waiting.”

But beyond affirming executive supremacy in matters of war, what is George Bush going to do? It is simply untrue that we are making decisive progress in Iraq. The indicators rise and fall from day to day, week to week, month to month. In South Vietnam there was an organized enemy. There is clearly organization in the strikes by the terrorists against our forces and against the civil government in Iraq, but whereas in Vietnam we had Hanoi as the operative headquarters of the enemy, we have no equivalent of that in Iraq, and that is a matter of paralyzing importance. All those bombings, explosions, assassinations: we are driven to believe that they are, so to speak, spontaneous.

When the Romans were challenged by Christianity, Rome fell. The generation of Christians moved by their faith overwhelmed the regimented reserves of the Roman state. It was four years ago that Mr. Cheney first observed that there was a real fear that each fallen terrorist leads to the materialization of another terrorist. What can a “surge,” of the kind we are now relying upon, do to cope with endemic disease? The parallel even comes to mind of the eventual collapse of Prohibition, because there wasn’t any way the government could neutralize the appetite for alcohol, or the resourcefulness of the freeman in acquiring it.

General Petraeus is a wonderfully commanding figure. But if the enemy is in the nature of a disease, he cannot win against it. Students of politics ask then the derivative question: How can the Republican party, headed by a president determined on a war he can’t see an end to, attract the support of a majority of the voters? General Petraeus, in his Pentagon briefing on April 26, reported persuasively that there has been progress, but cautioned, “I want to be very clear that there is vastly more work to be done across the board and in many areas, and again I note that we are really just getting started with the new effort.”

The general makes it a point to steer away from the political implications of the struggle, but this cannot be done in the wider arena. There are grounds for wondering whether the Republican party will survive this dilemma.

© 2007 Universal Press Syndicate

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Rohirrim
05-04-2007, 09:54 AM
Well, well, well. Look who's back! :welcome:

When the caryatid of your philosophical church begins to question the faith, you know you're in deep doo doo. I watched the debates last night, just for a laugh. It's amazing to read Buckley and then listen to these bloated peacocks last night. The only conservative left is Ron Paul, who is only marginally Republican. The Right is getting ready to go down. The fun part is that they don't realize it yet.

BroncoInferno
05-04-2007, 10:11 AM
Welcome back, LABF.

Hotrod
05-04-2007, 10:46 AM
I figured you were in Gitmo or something Ha!

bendog
05-04-2007, 11:13 AM
Buckley's unhappiness with bushii is nothing new. Consider that bushii started out wanting to emulate Reagan, and now he's happily planning his legacy as the new Truman. It's safe to say Buckley was not a fan of Truman either. Long term, the gop will be fine. The US is by nature an extremely conservative, even reactionary, country.

Short term, bushii is simply waiting for the opportunity to blame someone else for wrecking the family car. He'll blame the next potus. Sadly, McCain is telling the truth, but it's probably too late. We'd have keep 75K there for ten years. That's not selling in Des Moines

We most likely will fail in Iraq because the Iraqis themselves failed to form a unity govt. Bushii has successfully fended off calls for four years to put some sticks on the Iraqis for this failure. The neocons are still stuck on why they couldn't install Chalabi or Allawi as the head chief.

All-ah-mucky's govt continues to refuse to rescind debaathification (God you know when a war's gone cluster**** when you get names like that and Vietnamization). Despite what the admin contends will be a bloodbath (like that isn't happening now), the Cia seems to be leaning towards a slow burn not unlike what there is now. The sunnis and shiaa fear each other. Neither the Saudis/Kuwaitees (-: nor the Iranians would win in a wider war. The Iraqis will just ethnically cleanse back to their tribal areas. And the irony is that Saddam actually forced the integration that is now being undone.

As for Iraq becoming a haven for al queda, that doesn't make sense. Al Queda is there because the US is there. It's easier to kill Americans when the civilians look like the terrorists. The sunni don't want a theocracy. The baath was not about theocracy. Iraq was the most secular muslim country outside of Turkey. Al Queda is sunni. The Shiaa and Sadr are not giving them safe haven. Moreover, al queda is by nature an anarchist movement. None of the three tribes wants anarchy. They want to be rid of the other three tribes and live in peace.

Actually the sunni's interests are best served to be incorporated into a single country. We've had as much luck talking with the leaders of the insurgency targeting our troops as we have had with all-ah-mucky. They've told us time and again, they will end the violence if we'd just give them back their arms and give them a month with Sadr's militia. That was the answer to Iraq 20 years ago, and it continues to be today.

Rohirrim
05-04-2007, 11:34 AM
I think the canary in the cold mine, so to speak, is the fact that Sunni factions are now killing opposing, Sunni, Al Queda leaders. When we pull out, the same thing will happen that happened when the Brits pulled out in 1918, the insurgents will be wiped out. Al queda will be running for their lives. That's why we have to shift our focus back to where it should have been all along; Afghanistan. It is Afghanistan that we cannot afford to abandon.

bendog
05-04-2007, 12:31 PM
Yeah, in any country that is ruled via anarchy with war lords, al queda has a home. The kurds elect their chiefs. The shiaa wish to have a govt somewhat similar to Irans, but I think most shiaa still want the clerics to be more like a supreme court to put checks and balances on the congress/parliment, rather than having the day to day control that hampers Iran. The sunni are in a hard place. Not only does a group of shiaa want revenge, they also have to find a way to share the oil proceeds.

What we'd lose in Iraq when we pull out, assuming bushii still fails to make all-ah-mucky make the govt inclusive, is our place at the table when the Iranians, Syrians, Saudis and Jordanians hammer out the settlement.

TailgateNut
05-04-2007, 03:26 PM
Damn, I thought the "thought police" must have nabbed ya. Good to see you're still kickin'!

bendog
05-04-2007, 04:03 PM
Personally, I sort of hoped he was in Albania or someplace getting "debriefed." (-{P

Hotrod
05-04-2007, 04:05 PM
Damn, I thought the "thought police" must have nabbed ya. Good to see you're still kickin'!

You mean the leftist propagana thoughts police???

TailgateNut
05-06-2007, 06:33 AM
You mean the leftist propagana thoughts police???


NO, I mean the thought police! Those currently in power who seem to think it's ok to silence any thoughts and comments which are contrary to theirs.

SPfloppy
05-06-2007, 08:59 AM
Hey dude good to see u back. As to your post well they may be on the decline, after nearly 8 years of conservative thought pervading every facet of this country maybe the people are just feeling opressed by the "moral superiority" by those who think they know what's best for us all. I'm still leaning to McCain or Giulianni but I am man enough to admitt we need either a moderate or sigh....a dem living at 1600 Penn ave

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-07-2007, 04:38 AM
Conservative Movement Dead?

Can Conservatives Be Trusted?

Robert Kuttner and Bill Kristol Debate

Editor of the Neo-conservative The Weekly Standard, Bill Kristol, debated the editor of progressive magazine The American Prospect, Bob Kuttner, during "The Big Con" Conference right before the GOP Candidate Debate.

The question debated is whether or not the neo-conservative movement has totally jumped the shark and is totally discredited and irrecoverably defeated by the failures of the Bush era.

Bob Kuttner beats Kristol's ass like a red-headed stepchild. ;D

The debate is 48 minutes long.

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W*GS
05-07-2007, 09:12 AM
Seems to me the neo-cons have done for the GOP what the "progressives" did for the Democrats back about 25 years ago...

It would be nice if both parties expunged their extremist wings.

Rohirrim
05-07-2007, 09:25 AM
I feel sorry for the French, who just elected a neocon president. A day late and a dollar short.

W*GS
05-07-2007, 11:31 AM
Sarkozy is hardly a neo-con. Besides, he's making all the right noises immigration-wise, isn't he?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-08-2007, 04:06 AM
http://www.bartcop.com/reagan-zombie.gif

bendog
05-08-2007, 10:22 AM
LOL

My office net nazis monitor video. What was the "outcome" of the debate on whether neo-con is dead?

And, would you consider Hill a neocon, and if so, why?

How about McCain?

I tend to think no on both, because to be a neo-con one must advocate using the military to physically control oil, minerals, labor supply, etc. That's a different agenda that what we've traditionally done with using the military only to prevent interruption with free trade.

I don't really know enough about Rudi and Obama on foreign policy.