De La Hoya vs. Mayweather who ya got?

[OrangeShadow]

huge fight that i can wait to watch saturday, who you guys got?

[bfoflcommish]

Mayweather...no contest

[Triplelefthook]

Draw. Setting up a rematch. Floyd will deserve the decision but it will be closer than expected.... this is of course assuming floyd doesn't just run and gun.

i bet on DLH by KO tho, got +850 odds. might as well.

Triple

[i4jelway7]

Mayweather no doubt about it..

[Bladerunner]

well...if Oscar beats his ass, then Floyd will get the decision, if Mayweather clearly wins, the judges will give it to Oscar...

Every time DLH actually wins, he gets a loss, when he actually loses he gets a win or draw...at least it sure seems that way

[Taco John]

I personally think Mayweather will get a decision. Oscar is no spring chicken anymore... That said, I'm rooting for Oscar.

[LordHelmchen]

I think Mayweather takes it by decision, but somehow I still got the feeling that Oscar wins it... so, on whom should I put my money ;D

[Triplelefthook]

if DLH wins it will be by KO, imo

[Spider]

The Golden Boy De La Hoya by decision........Oscar will have ot make it a rough fight , lot of body punching slow down Mayweather speed ......Oscar will have to be willing to eat leather early and often , but should be able to win the late rounds .........

[WyoLaw]

Mayweather...no contest

What he said!!!

[goldengopher1976]

DLH in a decision. Mayweather is going to land more punches and be more active (especially early), but DLH is going to land more power punches (I'm looking for him to incorporate a devastating uppercut into his repetoire, set up nicely as Mayweather looks to duck inside the jab and left hook). In the end, Mayweather's inability to land a shot that gets DLH off his feet is going to be his downfall, and while it won't be popular, DLH's big shots will sway the judges in his favor.

All in all, a controversial decision that goes against the hard numbers and sets up another great rematch.

[MileHighMagic]

I will guarantee you the fight to save boxing (supposedly) will not be a draw. I already paid the $65 for the fight in HD and will start cookin a ****load of mexican food for my party sat night. Cannot freakin wait!

I like Mayweather in a decision. PBF is on another level. Oscar won't land many punches and PBF will just be too quick for him.

Mayweather -185
Mayweather +105 decision

Make both bets at the last possible second. Late money should come in on the Golden Boy.

[BroncoInferno]

De La Hoya's only chance is by KO, and that will only happen if Mayweather grows a sack and actually fights somebody instead of ballet dancing around the ring for 12 rounds, occasionally shooting in to throw a single combination, maybe two. It's effective, sure, but boring and gutless. I vowed never to buy another Mayweather contest after getting burned on the atrocious Baldomir fight, but I may relent simply because I could not stand missing Mayweather's demise live, if it were to occur.

[Bronco Billy]

I'm rooting for De La Hoya, but I don't think he'll win.

I can't remember the last time a fight got this kind of attention, it's been too long! Too bad I'll be at a freakin' wedding!

[gunns]

I'd put my money on Mayweather but can't stand him. Hoping Delahoya pulls it out.

[OrangeShadow]

I'm rooting for De La Hoya, but I don't think he'll win.

I can't remember the last time a fight got this kind of attention, it's been too long! Too bad I'll be at a freakin' wedding!

this fights going to go a long way towards reviving boxing

[BizzyBone7]

I'll take Mayweather by KO in the 9th. Oscar is gonna make it a hell of a fight though.

[BroncoInferno]

I'll take Mayweather by KO in the 9th. Oscar is gonna make it a hell of a fight though.

No chance he wins by KO. He does not fight aggressively enough for that to happen against a naturally bigger man

[BroncoInferno]

this fights going to go a long way towards reviving boxing

Not if Mayweather fights his usual style of one or two combinations then retreat.

[Maximus]

This one is not going to be close... Mayweather wins every round and the golden boy continues his losing streak against real fighters.

Mosley
Trinidad
Hopkins

[BroncoInferno]

This one is not going to be close... Mayweather wins every round and the golden boy continues his losing streak against real fighters.

Mosley
Trinidad
Hopkins

He beat Trinidad. That decision was a farce, and I'm not really even a De La Hoya fan.

[SoDak Bronco]

I think Floyd will get it done, I am going to be going for the gOlden boy though. Who is going to watch the fight?

[cutthemdown]

De La Hoya is going to pound him and win by a tko by the 6th round. You heard it here first baby!!!!

[Jesterhole]

I thought Oscar was done, then I saw him whoop up on Vargas. Oscar should have beaten Trinidad...so the only person who has ever really taken it to him was Sugar Shane.

Mayweather has never beaten anyone nearly as good as Oscar, so it's tough to judge. But he's younger and faster, so I say he stays away and shows enough flash to pull out the split decision.

[MileHighMagic]

I thought Oscar was done, then I saw him whoop up on Vargas. Oscar should have beaten Trinidad...so the only person who has ever really taken it to him was Sugar Shane.


I guess you didn't see Hopkins KO him.

[ZONA]

I think this fight will be very similar to De Le Hoya vs Mosley. Oscar is tough as hell and no way does he get knocked out. He will have a hard time with chumps speed and that's all that guy has anyway so he will win the fight on scoring alone. Floyd is a pure horses ass and that's putting it nice.

[MileHighMagic]

You think Elway will go to this fight? I remember seeing him at the Tito Trinidad/ Oscar De La Hoya fight a couple years back with James Caan and Ray Leonard. I wonder how much ringside seats are goin for?

[MileHighMagic]

I think this fight will be very similar to De Le Hoya vs Mosley. Oscar is tough as hell and no way does he get knocked out. He will have a hard time with chumps speed and that's all that guy has anyway so he will win the fight on scoring alone. Floyd is a pure horses ass and that's putting it nice.

All he has? You haven't seen him fight much... have you. Zab Judah is way faster than Oscar and he didn't hit him that often. Yeah, Mayweather is definitely a horses ass but he plain just doesn't get hit. His defense is the best ever!

[Spider]

All he has? You haven't seen him fight much... have you. Zab Judah is way faster than Oscar and he didn't hit him that often. Yeah, Mayweather is definitely a horses ass but he plain just doesn't get hit. His defense is the best ever!

Iwill agree about Zab , but Oscar is a complete different animal , when oscar gets on his bicycle , he can come at some pretty odd angles , no way Oscar out boxes Mayweather , it would be stupid to even try to fight on the outside for oscar , Oscar has to get in close and rough Mayweather up ........

[maven]

Do people watch boxing anymore if betting is not involved. This sport is dying hard. The young generation doesn't care for it.

[Spider]

Do people watch boxing anymore if betting is not involved. This sport is dying hard. The young generation doesn't care for it.

I dont gamble ...........

[maven]

I dont gamble ...........

Don't take this the wrong way, but you're older. The youth of this generation is heading toward say UFC instead of boxing. Whether that makes sense or not is up for debate. Boxing is dying in America. There's a lot of hope for this fight aside from the boxers involved.

[Spider]

Don't take this the wrong way, but you're older. The youth of this generation is heading toward say UFC instead of boxing. Whether that makes sense or not is up for debate. Boxing is dying in America. There's a lot of hope for this fight aside from the boxers involved.

I would agree with this.........

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Do people watch boxing anymore if betting is not involved. This sport is dying hard. The young generation doesn't care for it.$25 million just for the advertising promoting this fight. De La Hoya formed Golden Boy Promotions in '01 and hired businessman Richard Schaefer as CEO. Southwest Airlines, 7-11, MGM and several other huge corporates got onboard. They are involved with a lot of different fights now and making tons of money. Oscar gets $25 million just from ticket sales & pay-per-view alone for this fight and Mayweather $10 million. Millions more for both of them from sponsors.




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[Traveler]

:thanku: :wiggle: Not gonna vote unless another option is added. Fix is in and De la Hoya get the win regardless unless he's knocked out.

[CHANGSTER]

I think De La Hoya will somehow pull it out. Loud mouths seem to have bad Karma. cant stand Mayweather.

[BroncoInferno]

Do people watch boxing anymore if betting is not involved. This sport is dying hard. The young generation doesn't care for it.

That's true in the U.S to some degree, but the sweet science is still very popular world wide, particularly in Latin America.

[watermock]

I'll take whoever Slappy has money on. I took Mayweather, but really have no clue.

I believe another thing that has hurt the sport is in big fights it's always pay per view.

I remember going to this dudes place with about 20 people from the frequented bar and watching Tyson demolish someone in the first round.

[Triplelefthook]

I will guarantee you the fight to save boxing (supposedly) will not be a draw. .


this isnt the fight to save boxing... its the last superfight that boxing will have for at least 5 years, maybe longer. why not milk it into a 2 or 3 fight series?

i would wager with you, if you gave me reasonable odds (5-1 ish)

[Triplelefthook]

also I see way to many people saying that ODLH has no real chance. Huh? Floyd has never fought at 154, never fought anyone as big as ODLH and fought anyone with ODLH's power and speed combination. Floyd HAS to fight an absolute perfect fight to win and even then he could lose. Sure, speed kills but ODLH does not have slow hands. Floyd has gotten hit by slower guys than ODLH before. http://www.boxingfanatics.com/ubb/graemlins/555.gif He's been hurt by littler guys than ODLH as well.

[Traveler]

Who's promoting this fight?

[NaptownChief]

Who's promoting this fight?


The Golden Boy himself......Golden Boy Promotions.

[NaptownChief]

On paper this should be a Mayweather easy decision...Younger and better fighter at this stage in their careers. Oscar is busy as heck running all his business ventures which certainly pulls away from training and focus. However Oscar has a way of finding a little something when most people are counting him out..with the exception of the Hopkins fight.

I'm pulling for Oscar to know Mayweather out cold but not expecting it by any means.

[Traveler]

The Golden Boy himself......Golden Boy Promotions.

The fix is really in now!

[Traveler]

On paper this should be a Mayweather easy decision...Younger and better fighter at this stage in their careers. Oscar is busy as heck running all his business ventures which certainly pulls away from training and focus. However Oscar has a way of finding a little something when most people are counting him out..with the exception of the Hopkins fight.

I'm pulling for Oscar to know Mayweather out cold but not expecting it by any means.

Please don't get me started on that fight!:gripe: Check that! I'm thinking about the Sweetpea match.

[Triplelefthook]

Please don't get me started on that fight!:gripe:

DLH-Hopkins was a fix...

Golden Boy promotions is at the helm.... draw and an immediate rematch is in the works hehe

[MileHighMagic]

this isnt the fight to save boxing... its the last superfight that boxing will have for at least 5 years, maybe longer. why not milk it into a 2 or 3 fight series?

i would wager with you, if you gave me reasonable odds (5-1 ish)

You bet your ass I will take that bet! How much?

5 to 1 odds that it will not be a draw right? You sure you want to do this? I feel like i'm stealing from you.

[MileHighMagic]

MAYWEATHER vs. DE LA HOYA
20 Experts Tell You
Who Will Win & Why

Compiled By Robert Mladinich

The biggest fight of the new millennium will take place on May 5 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas and will be televised by HBO Pay-Per-View. It pits welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather, 37-0 (24), who is generally regarded as the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world, against WBC super lightweight titleholder Oscar De La Hoya, 38-4 (30), who is the sport’s biggest attraction. They will clash at 154 pounds in one of those fights where almost any outcome is within the bounds of reason.

The boxing world is wondering if Mayweather will knock off the naturally bigger De La Hoya and emerge as the fighter of this generation, or if “The Golden Boy” can still outshine even the toughest opposition.

To better gauge what industry insiders are thinking, The Ring polled 20 experts who have offered the following array of insights and predictions about this highly anticipated battle.

Shelley Finkel (manager): “I don’t have any firm conviction, but I’m leaning toward Oscar to win. Since Floyd has moved up in weight, he hasn’t been able to hurt anyone. Oscar is the biggest guy he’s ever fought. He’s also a lot faster than what Floyd is used to. Oscar has got to be aggressive and not allow Floyd to move in and out. This comes down to a great big guy versus a great little guy. Look at Bernard Hopkins against Oscar. A similar thing could happen here, but I expect Oscar to win a decision.”

Tim Smith (New York Daily News): “This is a fairly close fight because both fighters are so talented. De La Hoya has to use his greater power to catch up to and slow down Floyd. I don’t think that Floyd can knock out Oscar, and if Oscar can get to him, he can do damage. But I feel that Mayweather is this generation’s Sugar Ray Robinson or at least as close as anyone can get to that level, so I like Mayweather by decision.”

Teddy Atlas (trainer and ESPN analyst): “This fight can’t be business as usual for De La Hoya. It entails him understanding exactly what Mayweather’s strengths are and working to negate them. People say that De La Hoya is the bigger, longer, and taller fighter, but both guys started out as junior lightweights. De La Hoya has to keep Mayweather off-stride and not let him get in and out. Zab Judah gave Mayweather trouble for four or five rounds, but didn’t have the ability or the substance to keep it up. This fight might be coming five years too late for De La Hoya, but I think he has enough experience and substance for me to make a solid case for him. I would make Mayweather the favorite, but I love live underdogs and De La Hoya is a very live underdog.”

Tim Graham (Buffalo News and president of the Boxing Writers Association of America): “I refuse to say the petulant Mayweather will outclass De La Hoya, but unless Mayweather’s hand breaks, he’ll be the better man in the ring. De La Hoya hasn’t beaten an elite-level fighter in years. He looked shaky in beating Felix Sturm, while Mayweather has never been anything but dominant. Mayweather will be too slick for De La Hoya. De La Hoya is skilled enough to go the distance, but I see the referee stepping in late to stop Oscar from getting picked apart. Mayweather by TKO.”

Pat Lynch (manager of Arturo Gatti, who fought both De La Hoya and Mayweather): “Oscar is the bigger guy, but Mayweather won’t take any chances and will fight very smart. If Mayweather stays within a good game plan, which I think he will do, he will do what he does best: frustrate the other guy. I really love Oscar for never ducking anyone, but I don’t think the size factor that everyone is talking about will make a big difference. Mayweather looks very comfortable and strong at welterweight. It was a natural maturation process for him. He hasn’t lost any of his speed along the way. I like Mayweather by decision.”

Tim Dahlberg (Associated Press): “If De La Hoya can land one of his left hooks, the fight could be competitive. But I think that De La Hoya deluded himself after the Ricardo Mayorga fight into thinking that victory prepared him for a big fight like this one. The whole question is whether or not Oscar can land his left hook. Mayweather is much too quick for Oscar. There’s always a chance that Mayweather’s going up in weight might factor in, but I don’t think it will. Both guys started off at 130 and kept moving up. That neutralizes the size issue. Mayweather by decision.”

Hector Roca (trainer): “De La Hoya is too big and too strong for Mayweather. He probably walks around at 160, 165 pounds. Plus, he has so much more experience in big, competitive fights. People think that Mayweather can’t be hit, but Zab Judah hit him plenty. The fight will be competitive for a while, but after four or five rounds De La Hoya will be in command. He is something special, and he will win a decision.”

Steve Farhood (ShoBox commentator): “This is the career defining fight for Mayweather, so he’ll be hungrier and more focused than ever. On top of that, he’s been the more active fighter. Oscar is going to find out that he can’t turn his talent on and off at will. The only advantage for De La Hoya is his size, but this fight figures to be a boxing match, so that advantage shouldn’t surface. I pick Mayweather to win on points in a fast-paced but careful boxing match.”

Joey Gamache (former WBA super featherweight and lightweight titleholder): “I don’t think that De La Hoya is finished yet. He will be able to use his advantage in size and his versatility to beat Mayweather. Mayweather is a fully loaded welterweight, but De La Hoya is a big, strong guy with a lot of ring intelligence. I can’t see Mayweather hurting him. He’s a decent puncher, but not a good enough puncher to slow De La Hoya down. De La Hoya is smart enough to find weaknesses in Mayweather and take advantage of them. De La Hoya will find a way to win by decision.”

Dan Rafael (ESPN.com senior writer): “Speed kills, so I have to lean toward Mayweather. He is younger, faster, and hungrier. People are making Oscar out to be this much bigger guy, but both guys fought their whole careers in the same weight divisions. I don’t think that size is a real issue. If Oscar can’t hit Floyd, none of that will matter anyway. Mayweather by decision.”

Carlos Baldomir (former welterweight champion who lost the title to Mayweather): “Why not just ask me to give you the winning Argentina lottery numbers? That would be just as hard as picking the winner of this fight. I found out personally what fantastic foot and hand speed Mayweather has. You have to be in the ring with him to really appreciate his skills. He is a once-in-a-generation type fighter, but so is De La Hoya. Oscar is also the bigger, stronger man. I think it will be a competitive fight with a lot of twists and turns. I can see either guy winning, but am leaning toward Oscar by decision due to his size and strength. I know they say that speed kills, but Oscar has an excellent record for choosing the right opponent at the right time. He is very smart in and out of the ring.”

Grady Brewer (winner of season two of The Contender): “Mayweather should come out with a big win. He’s too slick, fast on his feet, and has much better upper body movement. I give De La Hoya a lot of credit, but I don’t see how he can win. He will do what he has to do to try to win, but it won’t be enough. Mayweather will be in and out all night. This will frustrate De La Hoya. Mayweather is capable of stopping De La Hoya, but I think he will win a decision.”

Bruce Silverglade (Gleason’s Gym owner): “This is a very easy fight for Mayweather. De La Hoya is past his prime and Mayweather is at the top of his game. The weight won’t matter; it’s the age factor that is more important. De La Hoya is not the De La Hoya of five, six, or seven years ago. Mayweather is the new kid on the block. He’s now the type of fighter that De La Hoya was five, six, or seven years ago. In a one-sided fight, Mayweather will win a decision.”

Nick Charles (ShoBox commentator): “I have immense respect for Oscar, but Floyd always puts his opponents in fights they can’t win. Oscar, of course, is always dangerous and he never ducks anyone, but Floyd has matured into a natural welterweight. He looks really strong at that weight, so I don’t think it will hurt him. Floyd should be able to dictate the range and the pace of the fight and win a clear-cut decision.”

Mark Breland (Olympic gold medalist and former WBA welterweight titleholder): “De La Hoya is the bigger puncher, but I have to go with Floyd because of his craftiness and smartness. Plus, his defense is spectacular. When De La Hoya tries to be defensive, it usually doesn’t work for him. He’s a much better offensive fighter, but Floyd will make him fight defensively. I don’t think the weight will affect Floyd because he probably walks around at 160 pounds. Mayweather by decision.”

Steve Forbes (former IBF junior lightweight titleholder): “This is a very difficult fight for both guys. I sparred quite a bit with Floyd in the early days of his career, so I can tell you how good he is. In the gym now, he always spars with bigger and stronger guys, so I don’t think the size difference will matter. I think this fight will start off real good, with lots of back and forth momentum. Floyd should take over by the seventh or eighth round and win a decision.”

Paul Williams (welterweight contender): “Good little men don’t usually beat good big men, but anything can happen in this fight. I can see either guy winning. If Floyd uses his speed and quickness, he wins easily. If he stands and trades with De La Hoya, he gets beat. One part of me sees Floyd running and boxing to a decision. But if I had to bet, I’d go with De La Hoya. He knows how to get the most out of his talent. De La Hoya by decision.

Buddy McGirt (former IBF junior welterweight and WBC welterweight titleholder and current trainer): “This is a tough pick. People say Oscar is old, but he’s in better shape than he gets credit for. Both of these guys are great fighters who can rumble. Both have been in big fights, so they have big fight experience. Floyd looks pretty unbeatable, but if anyone can beat him it’s Oscar. It’s a hard pick, but since you’re forcing me, I guess I lean toward Oscar by decision.”

Eddie McLoughlin (promoter of middleweight John Duddy): “This is a pick ’em fight, but I have to go with De La Hoya. Mayweather will probably pick his shots and win the first few rounds, but De La Hoya will be able to use his size and strength to walk him down and win a nip-and-tuck battle by about two or three rounds.”

Iran Barkley (former WBC middleweight, IBF super middleweight, and WBA light heavyweight titleholder): “Oscar doesn’t fare too well against pressure, so Floyd will have to put a lot of pressure on him to win. Even Oscar’s advantage in height and reach won’t be enough to keep Floyd away. Even though Floyd is moving up in weight, I think he’s just getting stronger. With his speed and what little power he has, he’ll outbox De La Hoya and win a decision.”

Final Tally: Mayweather 12; De La Hoya 8

[Triplelefthook]

You bet your ass I will take that bet! How much?

5 to 1 odds that it will not be a draw right? You sure you want to do this? I feel like i'm stealing from you.

haha yea why did i offer to make a bet on this? How about we keep it small $20? 5-1 odds.

[ZONA]

I have no idea how in the hell Oscar fights get so much money. He was and is a great boxer but his earnings from fights probably quadruples the next guy closest to him. What is so damn great about Oscar that he commands and always has commanded insane money. I mean, it's a laughing phenomina. Heavyweights can't get paid what Oscar gets. Maywether can't get paid like Oscar gets paid. Roy Jones can't get that kinda dough. What the hell is it?

[SouthStndJunkie]

I will be purchasing this PPV.

Let's go De La Hoya!

[Bronco LB 59]

I had tickets to the fight, can't go and now I'm afraid I won't be able to watch it at all until it hits HBO replay.

I hope De La Hoya does the sport a favor.

[Triplelefthook]

I hope De La Hoya does the sport a favor.

How so? By winning and retiring? This is DLH's last fight, unless its a rematch against floyd... it would be better for boxing to have floyd win and then we would have a legitimate superstar successor

[Jens1893]

I had tickets to the fight, can't go and now I'm afraid I won't be able to watch it at all until it hits HBO replay.

I hope De La Hoya does the sport a favor.

How much did you get for the tickets? ;)

[MileHighMagic]

haha yea why did i offer to make a bet on this? How about we keep it small $20? 5-1 odds.

You confirm and it's a bet. Or, you can back out and just buy me a beer at a game someday. Your call, bro.

You win (draw): $100

I win (no draw): $20

[MileHighMagic]

Favored Mayweather has no love for the glove
Thu, May 3, 2007
By Jason Logan

If Floyd Mayweather Jr.’s hand injuries come back to haunt him Saturday night, he’ll have about the same chance of beating Oscar De La Hoya as a one-legged man has of winning a butt-kicking contest.

With De La Hoya’s Golden Boy Promotions running the show, Mayweather is forced to follow strict stipulations the challenger set before inking the fight. One of those rules will be the use of Cleto Reyes gloves.

"I've got to wear Reyes. He put it in the contract," Mayweather told the Grand Rapids Press. "This guy has always pulled slick stuff in boxing. Now, I can't wear the gloves I want to wear, but he can wear the gloves he wants to wear."

The switch to Reyes is a big change from the Winners brand of glove Mayweather (37-0, 24 KOs) has usually fought with during his career. According to most boxers and trainers, Reyes is a smaller, harder glove with less padding than most brands. Less padding means less protection for Mayweather’s fragile hands.

Chronic hand injuries are pretty much the only chink in the junior middleweight champ's armor. Ever since his amateur beginnings Mayweather battled what are known as “boxer’s fractures.” He suffered his most notable hand injuries against Carlos Hernandez and, most recently, Carlos Baldomir. In these fights, Mayweather was eventually forced to fight one-handed and went from aggressor to defender in the later rounds.

“Against Oscar, (Mayweather) might be cautious early on, to try to save (his hands),” boxing historian Bert Sugar told the Philadelphia Daily News. “Now, at some point, the adrenaline will kick in and he'll just fight. Too much is at stake for him not to. But the hand issue could be a major factor. I'm not sure Floyd can win this one fighting one-handed.”

Boxing bettors saw the difference glove brand can make in 2005 when Manny Pacquiao, who usually wears Reyes, was forced to wear the softer Winners brand against Erik Morales. Pacquiao eventually lost this bout in a 12-round decision but insisted he would have won the slugfest by knockout if he was using his normal Cleto Reyes gloves.

“If a guy isn’t comfortable in his shoes on a football field, will he rush for a career high? Unlikely,” says boxing linesmaker Joey Oddessa. “If a guy doesn’t feel right with his gloves, his punches may not land as flush on the target.”

Oddessa says that the opening line for Saturday’s fight was released before the gloves were selected. Online sportsbooks now have Mayweather set as a -185 favorite while De La Hoya is listed at +155.

In the months leading up to the fight, Mayweather underwent treatment on his hands two and three times a week. He also did a series of strengthening exercises in preparation. Word out of his training camp is that his hands are in their best shape ever and veteran cut man Rafael Garcia has been extremely cautious of his fighter’s delicate mitts.

“Floyd with a broken hand would have a hard time keeping Oscar off of him. He will have to hit and run even more,” says Oddessa. “I don’t think Floyd can hurt Oscar even if both hands are healthy. In fact I think Floyd by knockout is the least likely outcome of this fight.”

Books have a knockout win by Mayweather listed at +400. De La Hoya by TKO, KO or disqualification is paying out at +340. The round total is set at 11 ½.

[NaptownChief]

I have no idea how in the hell Oscar fights get so much money. He was and is a great boxer but his earnings from fights probably quadruples the next guy closest to him. What is so damn great about Oscar that he commands and always has commanded insane money. I mean, it's a laughing phenomina. Heavyweights can't get paid what Oscar gets. Maywether can't get paid like Oscar gets paid. Roy Jones can't get that kinda dough. What the hell is it?



You can't underestimate the pure love Mexicans have for the sweet science.....He is a huge draw among that demographic that most others can't tap....They love their fighters so much that they swore Chavez was a god in boxing trunks even when he was at the point he would struggled to whip an old lady. They are loyal.....and because of that loyalty they didn't care for Oscar when Chavez was still decent but now that years have passed Oscar assumed the role with many of them.

[Triplelefthook]

You confirm and it's a bet. Or, you can back out and just buy me a beer at a game someday. Your call, bro.

You win (draw): $100

I win (no draw): $20

Confirmed... why not have a little fun with an out on the limb bet :)

[footstepsfrom#27]

I think Mayweather wins by decision but I'm pulling for Oscar and I think he will rattle his cage pretty good a few times.

[MileHighMagic]

Confirmed... why not have a little fun with an out on the limb bet :)

Atta boy! Good luck. :boxing:

[Spider]

tonight is the night .......... on HBO right now , they are showing Oscar vs Vargas fight ..... yeah the fight Vargas tested positive with use of Roids ........ If that De La Hoya shows up Mayweather could have a very long night

[BroncoInferno]

You haven't weighed in Slap...who ya got?

[Odysseus]

I hope Oscar beats the crap out of Mayweather. No vote. No bet. No joke.

[Spider]

well beating the piss out of a man that is bigger , stronger ,and Roids ,that hates you , is huge ........

[Triplelefthook]

well beating the piss out of a man that is bigger , stronger ,and Roids ,that hates you , is huge ........

they had to put Vargas on suicide watch after that fight. i mean like no shoelaces and paper clothes. he grew up hating DLH and it was his lifelong dream to beat him. not only did he get beaten but he was knocked out and caught cheating afterwards. wow.

i always disliked DLH so i was rooting for vargas that night. even tho he cheated and is a complete punk, i felt bad for Vargas that night... i would be willing to bet he still has nightmares of that loss

[Spider]

they had to put Vargas on suicide watch after that fight. i mean like no shoelaces and paper clothes. he grew up hating DLH and it was his lifelong dream to beat him. not only did he get beaten but he was knocked out and caught cheating afterwards. wow.

i always disliked DLH so i was rooting for vargas that night. even tho he cheated and is a complete punk, i felt bad for Vargas that night... i would be willing to bet he still has nightmares of that loss

a lot of Mexicans hate Oscar for beating J.Chavez .........Fargas was determined that fight , even to the point he didnt care about using steroids .......Oscar had him beat at that point ......
Chavez had a great Career , and losing to Oscar was nothing but a fighter that time has came , past his prime , no reason to hate oscar for that ....... But Oscar held his mud ,won in the end ....... Next time DLH , lower the cup ;D

[BMF Bronco]

It better be a good fight either way, as it supposed to be the "saving grace" for boxing. I want DeLa to win but I don't think he will, Maywether is a beast!

[Spider]

this is intersting
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?pollId=44982

[BMF Bronco]

damn, fitty-fitty

[dbfan4life]

The # of people choosing Floyd to win by KO is surprising considering Floyd's not much of a power puncher. I'll root for Oscar but I have a feeling he'll lose by decision.

[Bronco LB 59]

How much did you get for the tickets? ;)

Sold them to a close friend for face value. They were single tickets. One cost me $2,000 and the nose bleeds were $750.

[Bronco LB 59]

How so? By winning and retiring? This is DLH's last fight, unless its a rematch against floyd... it would be better for boxing to have floyd win and then we would have a legitimate superstar successor

Mayweather is the Barry Bonds of boxing. He wouldn't advance the sport because nobody can stand the prick to begin with.

[Triplelefthook]

Mayweather is the Barry Bonds of boxing. He wouldn't advance the sport because nobody can stand the prick to begin with.

if Oscar wins, then boxing dies when he retires.... which is not too far off

[Orange_Beard]

I can't wait. Getting together with the boys tonight to watch the fight.
Really I think there is a strong chance it will be a boring fight.

[-Slap-]

Don't take this the wrong way, but you're older. The youth of this generation is heading toward say UFC instead of boxing. Whether that makes sense or not is up for debate. Boxing is dying in America. There's a lot of hope for this fight aside from the boxers involved.

People only watch that Ultimate White Guy bull**** so they can see white guys in "title fights".

As soon as the athletes in that "sport" start making some real money, the bouncers and doormen who are built up and spoon fed to the public will stop being competitive.

[-Slap-]

also I see way to many people saying that ODLH has no real chance. Huh? Floyd has never fought at 154, never fought anyone as big as ODLH and fought anyone with ODLH's power and speed combination. Floyd HAS to fight an absolute perfect fight to win and even then he could lose. Sure, speed kills but ODLH does not have slow hands. Floyd has gotten hit by slower guys than ODLH before. http://www.boxingfanatics.com/ubb/graemlins/555.gif He's been hurt by littler guys than ODLH as well.

The other thing people aren't considering is Floyd might have a tough time winning a decision, unless its clear cut. My biggest concern is how Oscar will fare in round 7-12. He's never been a guy who finishes particularly well. Factor in his age (34) and his divided interest and I have major concerns. I expect Oscar to come out very fast. Floyd's smack talk before this fight has become extremely personal and Oscar is seething right now.

[-Slap-]

I have no idea how in the hell Oscar fights get so much money. He was and is a great boxer but his earnings from fights probably quadruples the next guy closest to him. What is so damn great about Oscar that he commands and always has commanded insane money. I mean, it's a laughing phenomina. Heavyweights can't get paid what Oscar gets. Maywether can't get paid like Oscar gets paid. Roy Jones can't get that kinda dough. What the hell is it?

One reason is Oscar makes such huge money is because the female half of the population likes him, too. No other boxer can really make that claim.

He makes more money than Mayweather and that asshole Jones because his fights are usually exciting matchups against top competition and and their fights are usually boring as hell.

[-Slap-]

You can't underestimate the pure love Mexicans have for the sweet science.....He is a huge draw among that demographic that most others can't tap....They love their fighters so much that they swore Chavez was a god in boxing trunks even when he was at the point he would struggled to whip an old lady. They are loyal.....and because of that loyalty they didn't care for Oscar when Chavez was still decent but now that years have passed Oscar assumed the role with many of them.

Old school Mexican boxing fans don't really feel that way. Lots of them still haven't accepted Oscar and they never will. Crazy, but true.

I never made more money than when I bet on Oscar against Chavez. Sharps would come in a drop a ton on Oscar to move the number and then hordes of Mexicans would descend on the windows and lay scores of $10 to $100 bets on Chavez to whittle the odds back down, then the sharps would come back and repeat the process all over again.

[-Slap-]

You haven't weighed in Slap...who ya got?

I think Oscar has a shot in the first five rounds, but the size difference probably doesn't mean much. Its not like Oscar has really carried his punch with him to 154. He should enter the ring a good 10 pounds heavier than Floyd, but I really don't think it will help him.

I honestly believe Oscar's only shot is if Mayweather chooses to mix it up with him early and why would he do that? He may be a lowlife, but from a talent perspective, Floyd is one of the best fighters ever. He's Whitaker with a punch. He's also too smart to give Oscar a chance by fighting his fight.

I'll be rooting for De La Hoya, but would lay the -200 on Floyd if I was pressed to make a play in this bout. Instead, I'm going to stay away from the window and just watch the PPV.

[-Slap-]

Extremely close fight through six rounds. I think you might be able to justify 3-3 or 4-2 either way.

[-Slap-]

Still a very even fight through eight.

[theAPAOps5]

ESPN live round by round has Mayweather up two rounds. 5-3.

[theAPAOps5]

If ESPN is scoring right De La Hoya needs to win out in the last 3 rounds. Of course the way boxing judges are you never know what in the heck is going to happen.

[-Slap-]

Mayweather is taking control. I have it 6-4 for Floyd.

[theAPAOps5]

Thats how unofficial scorecard on ESPN is scoring it.

EDIT: Actually its 7-3 Mayweathers favor. Looks like he may be running away with it.

[gunns]

Is it a draw?

[-Slap-]

Is it a draw?

Floyd by split decision.

[gunns]

Damn

[BroncoInferno]

I had it 7-5 Floyd...some rounds were so close I thought De La Hoya might steal the decision.

[(Jae)]

DLH punches didnt connect cleanly most of the fight.
He would go on spurts where he would bum rush PBF and throw lots of wild punches that got blocked, but the crowd would OOOH and AHHHH because they think he's connecting.
Outside of that, PBF weathered the storm, took Oscar to the center of the ring, and then started to Outbox him, especially in the late rounds when DLH got tired.

[Nuggets4]

All right, now when's this going to be on HBO for those of us that didn't have the $60 for the PPV?

[Spider]

All right, now when's this going to be on HBO for those of us that didn't have the $60 for the PPV?
I am sitting in Miles city since last night , couldnt find a sports bar airing the fight with truck parking ........ I would have paid a 10.00 cover charge to get in ........

[BroncoInferno]

DLH punches didnt connect cleanly most of the fight.
He would go on spurts where he would bum rush PBF and throw lots of wild punches that got blocked, but the crowd would OOOH and AHHHH because they think he's connecting.
Outside of that, PBF weathered the storm, took Oscar to the center of the ring, and then started to Outbox him, especially in the late rounds when DLH got tired.

A lot of Floyd's supposedly cleaner punches were getting blocked as well. Besides, it isn't just about "clean punches", it's about controlling the ring and dictating the action, which DLH did pretty well, though I agree Mayweather got the better of him at the end of the day. Still, it was close.

[-Slap-]

A lot of Floyd's supposedly cleaner punches were getting blocked as well. Besides, it isn't just about "clean punches", it's about controlling the ring and dictating the action, which DLH did pretty well, though I agree Mayweather got the better of him at the end of the day. Still, it was close.

I agree with that assessment. Its not like Floyd was landing a lot of clean hard punches in the early rounds. I also think 7-5 in rounds was a very reasonable score. I friend of mine who has followed boxing closely for 35 years had Floyd winning 7-5, but he had him sweeping the last four rounds to do it. He actually had Oscar up 5-3 after eight rounds and I think you could probably make a case for that as well. My prediction for this fight turned out to be pretty accurate. I said Oscar would be very game, but he would tire down the stretch and Floyd would take the decision. That's exactly what happened.

[BroncoInferno]

I agree with that assessment. Its not like Floyd was landing a lot of clean hard punches in the early rounds. I also think 7-5 in rounds was a very reasonable score. I friend of mine who has followed boxing closely for 35 years had Floyd winning 7-5, but he had him sweeping the last four rounds to do it. He actually had Oscar up 5-3 after eight rounds and I think you could probably make a case for that as well. My prediction for this fight turned out to be pretty accurate. I said Oscar would be very game, but he would tire down the stretch and Floyd would take the decision. That's exactly what happened.

Kellerman was such a smug prick after the fight, talking about what a clearly dominant performance Floyd had, and implying that a judge (the guy who scored DLH the winner) ought to know better than us stupid fans. Well, us stupid fans know that even when punches aren't landing "clean", they certainly don't feel too good nonetheless, and constant pressure, such as DLH applied, takes it toll on a fighter.

[RhymesayersDU]

So, a question I have for all the people who follow the sport way closer than I do:

Did this fight do its job in helping to "save" boxing like everybody has been hoping it would?

I saw the fight at my buddy's engagement party. I thought it was good, real entertaining. But, am I now hooked? Well, probably not.

But then again, I don't think there could have been a way to hook me. Even if there was some epic bout that ended in an exciting 12th round KO I probably wouldn't be hooked.

What do you guys think?

[BroncoInferno]

I don't think it needed "saving" to begin with. People think boxing is a dying sport because it has lost popularity in the U.S., but it is still wildly popular in other parts of the world, particularly Latin America and Europe. Now, if the question is rephrased, "will the fight save boxing in the U.S.?", then I would say no. The only thing that can do that would be an undisputed American heavyweight champion. Sam Peter has got a shot at it.

[Taco John]

it might have if Floyd would have spent more time fighting and less time dancing. If he's the new water carrier for the sport, stick a fork in it...

[Cool Breeze]

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[Triplelefthook]

damn! when the fight ended i was pretty sure a draw was coming... one of the judges gave round 12 to floyd... if he had given it to DLH like he should have we would have had a draw.

MileHighMagic- give me a PM and i'll own up to my end of our bargain, i thought i had you there!!!

Triple

[NaptownChief]

Kellerman was such a smug prick after the fight, talking about what a clearly dominant performance Floyd had, and implying that a judge (the guy who scored DLH the winner) ought to know better than us stupid fans. Well, us stupid fans know that even when punches aren't landing "clean", they certainly don't feel too good nonetheless, and constant pressure, such as DLH applied, takes it toll on a fighter.



I think Jim Lampley was drunk or watching a different fight....Through the first 6 or 7 rounds if you weren't actually watching the fight and just listening to him you would have thought DLH was getting slaughtered.

It was a tough fight to call...There were so many rounds that you could have gone either direction. Mayweather landed a few more but DLH landed harder shots and controled the most of the fight by having Maywather constantly on the back pedel. I think the final decison was a decent one. I think a draw or a split decision either way probably best represents the action. Neither man deserved to walk away a unanimous winner cause that would imply they clearly won and I don't think either of them did that. Good fight and I am sure we will see a rematch. And if we do see a rematch my money is on DLH assuming he takes it serious and gets himself in the best shape possible. Mayweather was clearly not comfortable with his power and DLH will better capitalize on that the next time around if father time doesn't start burning the wick at both ends between now and then.

[Circle Orange]

The fight pretty much went the way I expected. I cracked up when everytime Day-Luh-HOY-ya went on wild flurries, the crowd would go nuts. He wasn't hitting worth a crap, but it looked good. You could tell by the ninth round he was running out of gas.

[BroncoInferno]

I think Jim Lampley was drunk or watching a different fight....Through the first 6 or 7 rounds if you weren't actually watching the fight and just listening to him you would have thought DLH was getting slaughtered.

Steward was even worse. He belittled everything DLH did and applified everything Floyd did as if he were nailing DLH at will.

It was a tough fight to call...There were so many rounds that you could have gone either direction. Mayweather landed a few more but DLH landed harder shots and controled the most of the fight by having Maywather constantly on the back pedel. I think the final decison was a decent one. I think a draw or a split decision either way probably best represents the action. Neither man deserved to walk away a unanimous winner cause that would imply they clearly won and I don't think either of them did that. Good fight and I am sure we will see a rematch. And if we do see a rematch my money is on DLH assuming he takes it serious and gets himself in the best shape possible. Mayweather was clearly not comfortable with his power and DLH will better capitalize on that the next time around if father time doesn't start burning the wick at both ends between now and then.

DLH's biggest mistake was getting way from his jab. In the middle rounds he had total control with his jab, then inexplicably abandoned it.

[MileHighMagic]

All that hype for an average fight was a little disappointing for everyone at my party that didn't have action on Mayweather. I had to throw in the Gatti/Ward I and II dvd to make up for it. :pimp:

[NaptownChief]

Steward was even worse. He belittled everything DLH did and applified everything Floyd did as if he were nailing DLH at will.



DLH's biggest mistake was getting way from his jab. In the middle rounds he had total control with his jab, then inexplicably abandoned it.


Agreed on both accounts.

[Taco John]

The more I consider this fight, the more I'm disappointed on how the judges ruled. Mayweather didn't do much fighting until the 9th round. How do you win a fight when you're backpedaling and trying to avoid fighting the entire time?

[NaptownChief]

The more I consider this fight, the more I'm disappointed on how the judges ruled. Mayweather didn't do much fighting until the 9th round. How do you win a fight when you're backpedaling and trying to avoid fighting the entire time?


I agree...I wouldn't have had any problem had Oscar won the decision. I realize boxing is scored round by round and not based on how you viewed the entire body of work but if that were a school yard fight you would have went home thinking Oscar was the tougher of the two.

[ant1999e]

This is the fight I want to see. Watch PB get jacked up him and his big mouth.
I also thought it was BS him coming out with the sombrero wearing green, white and red. Very disrespectful.

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-mma050607&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[NaptownChief]

I also thought it was BS him coming out with the sombrero wearing green, white and red. Very disrespectful.





I actually thought that was pretty clever especially since it was May 5th. It was disrespectful but that was exactly the idea to try and get under his skin and get him rattled and off his game plan. I wanted Oscar to knock him out cold but I actually give Pretty Boy credit for that creative thinking.

[Triplelefthook]

The fight pretty much went the way I expected. I cracked up when everytime Day-Luh-HOY-ya went on wild flurries, the crowd would go nuts. He wasn't hitting worth a crap, but it looked good.

that's how he "beat" pernell whitaker

[MileHighMagic]

This is the fight I want to see. Watch PB get jacked up him and his big mouth.
I also thought it was BS him coming out with the sombrero wearing green, white and red. Very disrespectful.

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-mma050607&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Some second rate, MMA bum couldn't carry PBF's jock. Mayweather is one of the best athletes on the planet.

[SouthStndJunkie]

I think Jim Lampley was drunk or watching a different fight....Through the first 6 or 7 rounds if you weren't actually watching the fight and just listening to him you would have thought DLH was getting slaughtered.

It was a tough fight to call...There were so many rounds that you could have gone either direction. Mayweather landed a few more but DLH landed harder shots and controled the most of the fight by having Maywather constantly on the back pedel. I think the final decison was a decent one. I think a draw or a split decision either way probably best represents the action. Neither man deserved to walk away a unanimous winner cause that would imply they clearly won and I don't think either of them did that. Good fight and I am sure we will see a rematch. And if we do see a rematch my money is on DLH assuming he takes it serious and gets himself in the best shape possible. Mayweather was clearly not comfortable with his power and DLH will better capitalize on that the next time around if father time doesn't start burning the wick at both ends between now and then.

Nice take.

I gave the edge to Oscar, but there may be a little bias in there. At the very least I think it could have been a draw. I thought Oscar set and controlled the tempo and in my book that counts for something. All the announcers did was talk about how Oscar's punches were not landing cleanly, but I did not think all that many of Mayweather's shots were all that clean either. Neither man really hurt each other. I would like to see a rematch. It sure seemed like all the announcers were giving Mayweather a 12 round blow job while criticizing Oscar's every move.

[ant1999e]

Some second rate, MMA bum couldn't carry PBF's jock. Mayweather is one of the best athletes on the planet.

Lay off the crack. PBF would be done in no time. I love boxing but MMA is the whole package. I will assume you never really watch it concidering your ignorance. The good thing about MMA is that not nearly as many fights end in a decision. No room for controversy.

[Taco John]

I've never been a fan of MMA, but after this fight, I can understand where the appeal is coming from. Floyd Mayweather looked like he'd been taking fighting tips from Carmello Anthony.

[Triplelefthook]

even Floyd doesn't run as fast as Carmelo

[Derger_Louis]

People only watch that Ultimate White Guy bull**** so they can see white guys in "title fights".

As soon as the athletes in that "sport" start making some real money, the bouncers and doormen who are built up and spoon fed to the public will stop being competitive.

Just curious, what is bull**** about the UFC? The reason people like it is because it is exciting. The sport is violent and bloody and the majority of the time the fights end in dramatic fashion. What is not to like? The fighters in the UFC and other MMA organizations are from all around the world. Is Pride popular in Japan because they want to see white guys??? I would much rather watch a MMA fight than a boxing match where the majority of the time the two guys are dancing around the ring.

[NaptownChief]

Just curious, what is bull**** about the UFC? The reason people like it is because it is exciting. The sport is violent and bloody and the majority of the time the fights end in dramatic fashion. What is not to like? The fighters in the UFC and other MMA organizations are from all around the world. Is Pride popular in Japan because they want to see white guys??? I would much rather watch a MMA fight than a boxing match where the majority of the time the two guys are dancing around the ring.



Call me old school also because I still much, much prefer the sweet science over MMA. MMA isn't bad as I do watch a decent amount especially now that the IFL is on every week. However a big MMA fight doesn't even come close to getting me fired up like a big boxing match. I will say that Pride is far superior to UFC. Every fighter I have seen in Pride is pretty high level in terms of skills...UFC definitely seems much more like Slap said in that most of them look and fight like some bouncers drug in off the bar scene.

The UFC long had Tito Ortiz as their golden boy and he isn't squat compared to Fedor, Krokop, Silva and the like. Pride is pretty good but I can't imagine me ever liking it more than boxing. Unfortunately boxing has long been run by idiots and that is catching up with them badly in a day and age when you have to be fairly savvy to win over and keep fans since there is so many more entertainment choices today than there was 20 and 30 years ago.

[Derger_Louis]

Call me old school also because I still much, much prefer the sweet science over MMA. MMA isn't bad as I do watch a decent amount especially now that the IFL is on every week. However a big MMA fight doesn't even come close to getting me fired up like a big boxing match. I will say that Pride is far superior to UFC. Every fighter I have seen in Pride is pretty high level in terms of skills...UFC definitely seems much more like Slap said in that most of them look and fight like some bouncers drug in off the bar scene.

The UFC long had Tito Ortiz as their golden boy and he isn't squat compared to Fedor, Krokop, Silva and the like. Pride is pretty good but I can't imagine me ever liking it more than boxing. Unfortunately boxing has long been run by idiots and that is catching up with them badly in a day and age when you have to be fairly savvy to win over and keep fans since there is so many more entertainment choices today than there was 20 and 30 years ago.

I used to be a big boxing fan, but now that I have been watching MMA, boxing isn't that exciting to me anymore. I too like Pride, but now we don't have to choose between the two since UFC bought Pride -

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/news/story?id=2814235

I for one am excited about the Mega-fights that they are planning!!!!

I also don't agree with your and slap's take on the fighters in UFC. Most of the fighters that I can think of off the top of my head are very respectful (Randy Couture, Matt Serra, Anderson Silva, Georges St-Pierre, BJ Penn, Andrei Arlovski, Gabriel Gonzaga, Forrest Griffin, Jeremy Horn) - I'm not sure who you are thinking of with the "bar scene" comments. The only main fighter I think could be portrayed in that light is someone like Liddell, but I still wouldn't agree. However, I would agree with your statements about the "bar scene" fighters with the old UFC, but it has changed a lot since then. And Ortiz does suck, but he was the UFC's golden boy back before it started to expand and change into what it has become.

I will still watch boxing ever once in a while, but I just prefer MMA.

[Derger_Louis]

After thinking more, Tim Sylvia is a douchbag and would probably fall into the "bar scene" category.

[watermock]

I love how fights are not even rebroadcast. Most "talking heads" said Mayweather won. In fact, everyone I heard on ESPN for what that is worth.

Some talking head was trying to figure out why noone knows who is a champion, who isn't, who might be.

It's pretty damn simple. You don't generate alot of interest with PPV. So they had two million customers for a whatever, 60 dollar fight?

Don't even get me started on NFL.com. I allready complained but I can't get by an idiot.

I bet I can pull it off if I say I'm a program director for Time Warner and get thru, but it won't do any good. They just extorted the product and noone knows it yet.

[MileHighMagic]

Lay off the crack. PBF would be done in no time. I love boxing but MMA is the whole package. I will assume you never really watch it concidering your ignorance. The good thing about MMA is that not nearly as many fights end in a decision. No room for controversy.

That's actually kind of ironic.

You're telling me the pound for pound champ of the world is gonna lose to some street fighter punk that nobody has ever heard of? Not only beat his ass but whoop him "in no time." Get a clue, kid. Not only have I watched MMA but I trained with, and i'm friends with local MMA fighters here in NM. Two of which were MMA world champions. Diego Sanchez (NM kid) has been dominant in the octagon until recently and he wouldn't last two rounds in world class boxing. Only one guy I saw could hang and he was a 7 time world champion kickboxer that fought mostly in Thailand... who now trains the top female boxer in the world. That fighter is Holly Holm, who converted to boxing from kickboxing like any fighter with any sense because that is where the money is. Understand? Top athletes follow the money. If your boy was worth a **** he would be boxing and makin millions.

MMA is occassionally entertainig. When they are on their feet, it's great. I just don't want to watch two "toughman fighters" that couldn't hack it as real pro athletes wrestling the entire rd in their undies.

[DB-Freak]

You're telling me the pound for pound champ of the world is gonna lose to some street fighter punk that nobody has ever heard of? Not only beat his ass but whoop him "in no time." Get a clue, kid. Not only have I watched MMA but I trained with, and i'm friends with local MMA fighters here in NM. Two of which were MMA world champions. Diego Sanchez (NM kid) has been dominant in the octagon until recently and he wouldn't last two rounds in world class boxing. Only one guy I saw could hang and he was a 7 time world champion kickboxer that fought mostly in Thailand... who now trains the top female boxer in the world. That fighter is Holly Holm, who converted to boxing from kickboxing like any fighter with any sense because that is where the money is. Understand? Top athletes follow the money. If your boy was worth a **** he would be boxing and makin millions.

.

While I agree with top athletes follow the money, a pure boxer would not last a minute in a MMA match.

And why do you trash on the sports itself, because of the talent pool in it?

The talent is nowhere near as deep as boxing, but the sports itself is a beauty and thats why it is catching on in the mainstream.

If MMA could manage itself properly, it will be just as big if not bigger than boxing itself.

[DB-Freak]

That's actually kind of ironic.

You're telling me the pound for pound champ of the world is gonna lose to some street fighter punk that nobody has ever heard of? Not only beat his ass but whoop him "in no time." Get a clue, kid. Not only have I watched MMA but I trained with, and i'm friends with local MMA fighters here in NM. Two of which were MMA world champions. Diego Sanchez (NM kid) has been dominant in the octagon until recently and he wouldn't last two rounds in world class boxing. Only one guy I saw could hang and he was a 7 time world champion kickboxer that fought mostly in Thailand... who now trains the top female boxer in the world. That fighter is Holly Holm, who converted to boxing from kickboxing like any fighter with any sense because that is where the money is. Understand? Top athletes follow the money. If your boy was worth a **** he would be boxing and makin millions.

MMA is occassionally entertainig. When they are on their feet, it's great. I just don't want to watch two "toughman fighters" that couldn't hack it as real pro athletes wrestling the entire rd in their undies.

By the way, there are actually top notch athletes in the sports. Do you not consider Olympic Athletes top notch?

By the way, grappling is a huge part of combat sports and if you don't like it that's just too bad.

[Maximus]

The fight pretty much went the way I expected. I cracked up when everytime Day-Luh-HOY-ya went on wild flurries, the crowd would go nuts. He wasn't hitting worth a crap, but it looked good. You could tell by the ninth round he was running out of gas.

Hoya has been a fraud since the beginning... Whitaker kicked his ass, Mosley kicked his ass 2x, Hopkins destroyed him, Mayweather out boxed him. Trinadad punked him. He beat Chavez after chavez turned 100 same with camacho. Vargas was suspect. Lets not forget that Bazooka Quartey destroyed him in the first fight the judges gave hoya the decision.

overall he's one of the most overrated fighters ever!

[MileHighMagic]

While I agree with top athletes follow the money, a pure boxer would not last a minute in a MMA match.

And why do you trash on the sports itself, because of the talent pool in it?

The talent is nowhere near as deep as boxing, but the sports itself is a beauty and thats why it is catching on in the mainstream.

If MMA could manage itself properly, it will be just as big if not bigger than boxing itself.

If a boxer were trained in martial arts he most definitely could hang. If an MMA fighter were trained in boxing he would get wrecked!

Is MMA popular? Sure it is. Is it just a fad? We'll see. Boxing is run like hell too, but it has been around a hell of a lot longer.

I can appreciate grappling and I do understand it, I just do not find it entertaining to watch.

[BroncoInferno]

Hoya has been a fraud since the beginning... Whitaker kicked his ass, Mosley kicked his ass 2x, Hopkins destroyed him, Mayweather out boxed him. Trinadad punked him. He beat Chavez after chavez turned 100 same with camacho. Vargas was suspect. Lets not forget that Bazooka Quartey destroyed him in the first fight the judges gave hoya the decision.

overall he's one of the most overrated fighters ever!

He beat Trinidad. I'm not a big DLH fan, and I'd certainly give you those other fights (though I'd hardly say Whitaker "kicked his ass"), but the Trinidad decision was a fraud. DLH dominated that fight.

[-Slap-]

While I agree with top athletes follow the money, a pure boxer would not last a minute in a MMA match.

And why do you trash on the sports itself, because of the talent pool in it?

The talent is nowhere near as deep as boxing, but the sports itself is a beauty and thats why it is catching on in the mainstream.

If MMA could manage itself properly, it will be just as big if not bigger than boxing itself.

MMA when you absolutely, positively have to get two white guys in the ring.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

MMA when you absolutely, positively have to get two white guys in the ring.That's about it.

[Derger_Louis]

That's about it.

Not really

[Derger_Louis]

MMA when you absolutely, positively have to get two white guys in the ring.

You obviosly do not know to much about MMA. Try doing a little research before you try and bash the sport. You do know that there is more to MMA than the UFC don't you?

[ozomulsion]

You obviosly do not know to much about MMA. Try doing a little research before you try and bash the sport. You do know that there is more to MMA than the UFC don't you?

I quess most white guys come from Brazil and Japan. Slap has no clue on this one. All he's seen is a couple of UFC bouts.

[-Slap-]

"Look Dan, he's about to apply the headlock...this is so exciting!!!!!!!"

[ozomulsion]

"Look Dan, he's about to apply the headlock...this is so exciting!!!!!!!"

clueless. Have you ever watched K1 Slappy?

[NaptownChief]

"Look Dan, he's about to apply the headlock...this is so exciting!!!!!!!"



"Now Dan that might look like a good old fashion headlock but that is a rear naked choke son..."

Nothing wrong with professional headlocker's I suppose.

[Derger_Louis]

"Look Dan, he's about to apply the headlock...this is so exciting!!!!!!!"

It is fine if you do not like the sport, everybody has their own preferences. But I don't understand why you make these ridiculous comments that have no merit... Is it because you’re pissed off that your beloved boxing has turned to ****, and a more entertaining sport has come along? I agree with ozomulsion that you have probably only seen a couple MMA fights that were in the UFC and then based your decision off of that. The UFC is growing and has come a long way from what it used to be. Now that the UFC has bought Pride, there will be even more diversity and better fights. Go ahead and continue to hate on MMA, but you need to find a better excuse as to why it is so horrible, besides the "white guys".

Also, I just noticed that you forgot to include Bonds in your HR leaders - it must have slipped your mind. Only 10 away from tying Aaron...

[Nuggets4]

This thread just keeps getting better and better...

[-Slap-]

It is fine if you do not like the sport, everybody has their own preferences. But I don't understand why you make these ridiculous comments that have no merit... Is it because you’re pissed off that your beloved boxing has turned to ****, and a more entertaining sport has come along? I agree with ozomulsion that you have probably only seen a couple MMA fights that were in the UFC and then based your decision off of that. The UFC is growing and has come a long way from what it used to be. Now that the UFC has bought Pride, there will be even more diversity and better fights. Go ahead and continue to hate on MMA, but you need to find a better excuse as to why it is so horrible, besides the "white guys".

Also, I just noticed that you forgot to include Bonds in your HR leaders - it must have slipped your mind. Only 10 away from tying Aaron...

You just noticed that, did you?

Ha!

I guess I must have mixed up MMA with UFC or possibly Battle of the Network Stars, since they all have comparable validity as sporting events.

[MileHighMagic]

Just reported on ESPN that it's the richest fight in history of boxing. 2.15 million buys on PPV. Previous record was Holyfield/Tyson II at 1.99 million buys. De La Hoya takes home $45 million!!

[DB-Freak]

If a boxer were trained in martial arts he most definitely could hang. If an MMA fighter were trained in boxing he would get wrecked!

Is MMA popular? Sure it is. Is it just a fad? We'll see. Boxing is run like hell too, but it has been around a hell of a lot longer.

I can appreciate grappling and I do understand it, I just do not find it entertaining to watch.

Not necessarily. A good boxing specimen does not mean a great wrestling or grappling specimen.

And Slap keeps on referring to these white guys in MMA. There are actually a lot of white guys in boxing if he researched properly.

[Rocket 7]

Not necessarily. A good boxing specimen does not mean a great wrestling or grappling specimen.

And Slap keeps on referring to these white guys in MMA. There are actually a lot of white guys in boxing if he researched properly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Waw0eKtFv-4

[Bronco Billy]

Just reported on ESPN that it's the richest fight in history of boxing. 2.15 million buys on PPV. Previous record was Holyfield/Tyson II at 1.99 million buys. De La Hoya takes home $45 million!!

I just read the article. They really hyped this fight. HBO was running shows from both training camps for weeks before the fight.

[Derger_Louis]

Slap, for your reading pleasure.

http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/FOXSportsMMA

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD colSpan=2>Mayweather backs off UFC (http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/FOXSportsMMA/2007/05/08/Mayweather_backs_off_UFC)
May 08, 2007 | 5:53PM | report this (javascript:report(8643, 63878);) Floyd Mayweather apparently got one look at Ultimate Fighting Championship lightweight titlist Sean Sherk and decided he wanted nothing to do with mixed martial arts.
The newly crowned WBC 154-lb. champion talked a lot of smack about MMA leading up to his fight with Oscar De La Hoya.
But UFC president Dana White, Zuffa LLC co-owner Lorenzo Fertitta, and Sherk, the UFC's 155-lb. champ, showed up at the MGM Grand looking to give Mayweather the chance to put his money where his mouth was.
And the Pretty Boy changed his tune. According to the Web site FightNews.com, (http://www.fightnews.com/boxing/bc/perea100.htm) Mayweather, using former Nevada State Athletic Commission chairman and current UFC employee Marc Ratner as an intermediary, signaled he wanted to make peace with the UFC.
"I apologize to the UFC, sometimes we say things that we shouldn't have said and I'm man enough to admit that," said Mayweather. "I apologize to the Fertittas, Lorenzo and Dana White. I respect MMA fighters and what they do in the UFC. I have no plans of fighting in mixed martial arts."
While Mayweather left the MGM Grand a winner last week, it appears the sport of mixed martial arts was the biggest beneficiary of last week's hype.
The bulk of the coverage leading up to the Mayweather-DeLaHoya fight prominently mentioned MMA's encroachment on the boxing market.
True, some of the coverage was lowlighted by tired clichés from the usual suspects, but the joke is on them. It became painfully clear last week the only people left who still cling to "these are just bar brawlers" nonsense are: 1. Old-school boxing types, who are understandably protective of their favorite sport; 2. Journalists who are completely out to lunch on the topic; 3. Attention seekers in various media platforms who are simply out to get a reaction.
There has been a shift in sports fan opinion on combat sports. The average fan now understands that top-notch MMA fighters have athletic credentials that match those of the top athletes in any sport, even if some in the media still don't get it.
Saturday night's fight card was a case study in why MMA is succeeding where boxing isn't.
The main event was a good, but not great, technical fight. But the real telling aspect was in the second fight from top. A pair of featherweights that your average sports fan couldn't name to save their lives, Rocky Juarez and Jose Hernandez, slow danced for 12 rounds before Juarez took the decision.
Half the crowd at the MGM Grand hadn't arrived yet. The half that was there never at any point indicated they had the slightest interest in the match. HBO signaled its disinterest in its own second-billed attraction by running a long, rambling interview with Larry Merchant and Floyd Mayweather Sr. during the fight.
Viewers paid $54.95 for that?
Contrast the Juarez-Hernandez scene to UFC 68 in Columbus on March 3, where all 19,000 fans at Nationwide Arena were in their seats in time for the opening, non-televised preliminary fight, and stayed with the action for four hours, through all nine matches. Or UFC 65 at Arco Arena in Sacramento last November, where the sellout crowd of more than 15,000 popped for the transitional ground work as much as the KO kicks.
The question that remains unanswered: What would happen if Mayweather did tangle with Sherk?
No one is questioning what would happen if they met in a boxing ring under boxing rules. Sherk's background is amateur wrestling. Even the most complete MMA fighter isn't spending any more than 25 percent of his time on his boxing game. Mayweather would own Sherk under boxing rules.
Under MMA rules? Well, for one thing, Mayweather's track-meet style wouldn’t win him points in the UFC. Among MMA scoring criteria, judges are supposed to base their decisions on aggression and octagon control. For another, there is the sheer difference between a ring and a cage. There are no rope breaks to be had in MMA. If you get cornered and taken down, you have to fight your way out. That's not Mayweather's style.
There have already been a couple glimpses at what would be considered boxer vs. martial arts style fighting, and neither made boxing look good. http://msn.foxsports.com/id/6793186
One occurred all the way back at UFC 1 in 1993. Art Jimmerson was a light heavyweight with a solid record of 29-5 when he squared off against Royce Gracie. Gracie needed all of 2:11 to pick Jimmerson apart. From that point on, Jimmerson went 4-13 in his boxing career. Word got around boxing quick to stay away from UFC.
OK, maybe Jimmerson isn't a big enough name to impress you. How about Muhammud Ali, then?
Back in 1976, Ali took on wrestler Antonio Inoki in Tokyo. They went 15 rounds before the fight was ruled a draw. Inoki spent most of the fight on his back in a basic jiu-jitsu defensive posture and repeatedly kicked at Ali's legs. Ali's punching was useless, as he threw just six punches the entire fight.
It was a dreadfully boring exhibition by all accounts. But no less an authority than Thomas Hauser reported in his definitive biography Ali that Inoki did so much damage to Ali's legs, that Ali had to be hospitalized with blood clots and extensive muscle disrepair. Promoter Bob Arum went on to speculate the beating helped speed up Ali's in-ring decline.
So there you have it. Three decades before MMA stole boxing's thunder and 17 years before Gracie burst onto the scene, the greatest boxer of all-time could do nothing against a professional wrestler who used defensive martial arts tactics that were primitive by the standards of today's MMA.
Maybe Mayweather knew what he was doing, backing off from his trash talk against UFC.

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[BroncoInferno]

Anyone catch the fights on HBO last night? Taylor-Spinks was a maddening bore as Spinks shamelessly ran the entire fight, but Pavlik-Miranda...DAMN! That is what boxing is all about. Those guys slugged it out the entire bout. Hopefully, Taylor will stop giving overstuffed welterweights like Spinks and Ouma shots and get in the ring with Pavlik. That would be explosive, must-see-TV.

[ant1999e]

"I apologize to the UFC, sometimes we say things that we shouldn't have said and I'm man enough to admit that," said Mayweather. "I apologize to the Fertittas, Lorenzo and Dana White. I respect MMA fighters and what they do in the UFC. I have no plans of fighting in mixed martial arts."

Translation- "I'm a scared little bitch. Please don't kick my ass."

[MileHighMagic]

"I apologize to the UFC, sometimes we say things that we shouldn't have said and I'm man enough to admit that," said Mayweather. "I apologize to the Fertittas, Lorenzo and Dana White. I respect MMA fighters and what they do in the UFC. I have no plans of fighting in mixed martial arts."

Translation- "I'm a scared little b****. Please don't kick my ass."

Grow up!

[Derger_Louis]

Grow up!

That is basically what he is saying. He was talking a bunch of **** about the UFC and then when the opportunity came for him to back it up, he backed down and suddenly had a change of heart. Go figure.

[ant1999e]

Grow up!

LOL

[ant1999e]

That's actually kind of ironic.

You're telling me the pound for pound champ of the world is gonna lose to some street fighter punk that nobody has ever heard of? Not only beat his ass but whoop him "in no time." Get a clue, kid. Not only have I watched MMA but I trained with, and i'm friends with local MMA fighters here in NM. Two of which were MMA world champions. Diego Sanchez (NM kid) has been dominant in the octagon until recently and he wouldn't last two rounds in world class boxing. Only one guy I saw could hang and he was a 7 time world champion kickboxer that fought mostly in Thailand... who now trains the top female boxer in the world. That fighter is Holly Holm, who converted to boxing from kickboxing like any fighter with any sense because that is where the money is. Understand? Top athletes follow the money. If your boy was worth a **** he would be boxing and makin millions.

MMA is occassionally entertainig. When they are on their feet, it's great. I just don't want to watch two "toughman fighters" that couldn't hack it as real pro athletes wrestling the entire rd in their undies.

First off, you don't know anyone in MMA. If you did, you'd have a little more respect for the sport. Second, nobody said anything about fighting in world championship boxing. MW was talking smack about MMA. He was given a chance to back up the check his big mouth wrote on the octagon, not in the boxing ring. Get a clue.:kiddingme

[freak6]

Anyone catch the fights on HBO last night? Taylor-Spinks was a maddening bore as Spinks shamelessly ran the entire fight, but Pavlik-Miranda...DAMN! That is what boxing is all about. Those guys slugged it out the entire bout. Hopefully, Taylor will stop giving overstuffed welterweights like Spinks and Ouma shots and get in the ring with Pavlik. That would be explosive, must-see-TV.

I missed the Miranda fight on replay sunday night, and FELL ASLEEP trying to watch Taylor/Spinks. Pathetic.

[MileHighMagic]

First off, you don't know anyone in MMA. If you did, you'd have a little more respect for the sport. Second, nobody said anything about fighting in world championship boxing. MW was talking smack about MMA. He was given a chance to back up the check his big mouth wrote on the octagon, not in the boxing ring. Get a clue.:kiddingme

You're right, I just make **** up to impress a moron like you.

Why would a real professional fighter waste his time with some second rate, karate kid? Let alone the LB for LB best in the world. Of course he wouldn't accept that b.s. challenge. He just made 20 million plus. Now he's gonna fight for chump change on Spike or something? You're an idiot.

[Derger_Louis]

You're right, I just make **** up to impress a moron like you.

Why would a real professional fighter waste his time with some second rate, karate kid? Let alone the LB for LB best in the world. Of course he wouldn't accept that b.s. challenge. He just made 20 million plus. Now he's gonna fight for chump change on Spike or something? You're an idiot.

Thought this was interesting...

"Why would I go into a sport paying hundreds of thousands when I'm in a sport paying $20 million?" Mayweather said.

"Mayweather knows full well, though, that the pay per view money is there for the taking on something like this, a battle that would be intriguing at nearly every level. White would just about kill for this to go down, preferably with Mayweather involved as a fighter."

"I'm willing to put together a fight for Sean Sherk and Floyd Mayweather with numbers that would make sense for Floyd," White said. "And I guarantee you he would not accept it. Floyd Mayweather would never fight in the UFC because he would get his head ripped off."

I think Mayweather would make a lot of money if he decided to fight in the UFC. Boxing Fans + UFC Fans = $$$

[Derger_Louis]

I think this quote is funny, considering Ali fought a wrestler and was only able to through 6 punches the entire fight.

"UFC's champions can't handle boxing. That's why they are in UFC." Mayweather said Tuesday from <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City><st1:place>Las Vegas</st1:place></st1:City> during a break in training. "Put one of our guys in UFC and he'd be the champion. Any good fighter, he'd straight knock them out."

[ant1999e]

You're right, I just make **** up to impress a moron like you.
Why would a real professional fighter waste his time with some second rate, karate kid? Let alone the LB for LB best in the world. Of course he wouldn't accept that b.s. challenge. He just made 20 million plus. Now he's gonna fight for chump change on Spike or something? You're an idiot.

Sad isn't it? You're an idiot.

[MileHighMagic]

Sad isn't it? You're an idiot.

Winklejohn's Kickboxing in Albuquerque, NM located on Paseo Del Norte and Wyoming. MMA fighters: Mike Winklejohn, Weston Holm, Holly Holm, Diego Sanchez, and I worked out with quite a few more but you get the picture. Now, I proved that I am not a liar but you haven't proved your not an idiot.

I never said I don't respect what MMA fighters do, I just feel that MMA, when compared to championship boxing, is the equivalent of NFL Europe to the NFL.

[ant1999e]

Winklejohn's Kickboxing in Albuquerque, NM located on Paseo Del Norte and Wyoming. MMA fighters: Mike Winklejohn, Weston Holm, Holly Holm, Diego Sanchez, and I worked out with quite a few more but you get the picture. Now, I proved that I am not a liar but you haven't proved your not an idiot.

I never said I don't respect what MMA fighters do, I just feel that MMA, when compared to championship boxing, is the equivalent of NFL Europe to the NFL.

You haven't proved anything except that you know how to Google. You really don't need to lie. I really don't give a ****. If you knew anything about MMA, you never would have made the ignorant statements you did.
Why would a real professional fighter waste his time with some second rate, karate kid?

gonna lose to some street fighter punk that nobody has ever heard of?


Check this out, I worked out with him at Jackson's Gaidojutsu Academy in Albuquerque. We worked out with Rashad Evans, Keith Jardine, Thomas Schulte to name few. See, I can Google also.

[MileHighMagic]

I could show you pictures too but those would only be photoshopped, right?

Those aren't ignorant statements, they're true. Still haven't proved you're not an idiot.

[ant1999e]

I could show you pictures too but those would only be photoshopped, right?

Those aren't ignorant statements, they're true. Still haven't proved you're not an idiot.

Why do you feel the need to try and prove yourself? Just let it go already. I said what I have to say. If you want to believe you're cool, go right ahead. :thumbsup:
I'm sorry for offending you and your Man Crush on Mayweather. You groupies sure are sensitive.

[Spider]

remember those tough men fights ? I miss those ......... That was some good stuff ...........