vick needs to go to prison(M)

[orange 4 life]

amidst all the draft hype, this story seems to be on the back burner, and it shouldnt be.

66 dogs? and he didnt know?

bullsh!t.

66 pit bulls, all of which couldve been in a loving home, and instead were starved and abused for the pleasure of these sick pukes.
for Gods sake put a stop to it. you wanna make an example?
here's your chance.

jake

[Hotrod]

I agree 100% but for that to happen someones gonna have to talk.

He should be put into a cage and treated just like those dogs were. Until he starves to death.*

*assuming he did it

[NaptownChief]

I agree 100% but for that to happen someones gonna have to talk.




Since it is a felony I'm guessing his cousin will sing like a bird when all said and done. The fact the Humane Society folks are talking about the fact they were given previous tips about his involvment in dog fighting will certainly hurt his case also.

Given how much money he has I'm guessing he will skate but this is certainly an opportunity for Roger Goodell to really make a statement. This rises to the level of Pac Man Jones in my book and possibly exceeds it. The herpes infested sack of **** should get a life ban from the league if there is decent certainty that he even knew about it let alone supported it. It is his house and if he even knew what was going on then he is just as guilty in my book. I would turn in my best friend if I knew he was doing that crap even if it wasn't on my damn property.

[azbroncfan]

He should be put into a cage and treated just like those dogs were. Until he starves to death.*
*assuming he did it

Al Sharpton will be speaking and protesting this real soon.

[Old Dude]

I wonder if the property in question could be seized by the State as a Public Nuisance and sold at an auction?

[orange 4 life]

He should be put into a cage and treated just like those dogs were. Until he starves to death.*

*assuming he did it

you know, thats the 1st thing that crossed my mind as well.
then i got to thinking.

you know what might be better?

put him in a room with MY 2 pit bulls for a few hours.
let him see the adorable looks in their eyes. let him see how they come sit in his lap and rest their heads on his chest.
let him see how truly sweet these dogs are.
if he has ANY heart at all, he'd be forced to see them for what they are, and what they are is wonderful loving members of our family.

......and THEN put him in prison. ;D

[gunns]

I'm with all of you and the first time since I started watching football I wouldn't feel bad at all if the creep got hurt. Tit for tat.

[orange 4 life]

.....and like nappy said, this is a guy that ALREADY was rumored to have taken part in dog fighting.
its not like this is completely out of the blue.

this ABSOLUTELY is pacman jones kinda stuff. its worse.
difference is that mr. mexico sells alot more jerseys than ms. pacman.

God willing the nfl AND legal system will make an example out of him. the fact that he is rich and famous shouldnt give him a pass. i think we've all had about enough of that.

[elsid13]

Totally agree. this a freaking joke if someone doesn't go to jail.

[RkyMtnThunder]

Agreed



For him to play stupid and act like he didnt know because he wasnt there? Please - how stupid do you want us to think you are Ron Mexico? You must want us all to think you are borderline retarded or something?

You have a big house - let your pot dealer live there - and have NO further visits to the property? Come on now guy - who is going to buy that?

Its almost insulting how Vick is trying to play dumb here. I dont think he understands the gravity of the situation?

66 dogs - how many counts will be brought up? 1 count for each dog neglect/cruelty. Maybe 3-4 confirmed dogs in fights (under estimate)...looking at 70+ felony counts - easily.

Think pot dealer will just sit there and take the fall for Vick?

I guess we will see

[broncosteven]

But he is a changed man! He told the commish that he is changing his life...

[orange 4 life]

Agreed



For him to play stupid and act like he didnt know because he wasnt there? Please - how stupid do you want us to think you are Ron Mexico? You must want us all to think you are borderline retarded or something?

You have a big house - let your pot dealer live there - and have NO further visits to the property? Come on now guy - who is going to buy that?

Its almost insulting how Vick is trying to play dumb here. I dont think he understands the gravity of the situation?

66 dogs - how many counts will be brought up? 1 count for each dog neglect/cruelty. Maybe 3-4 confirmed dogs in fights (under estimate)...looking at 70+ felony counts - easily.

Think pot dealer will just sit there and take the fall for Vick?

I guess we will see

i had to stop reading the story cause it made my stomach turn (you gotta remember i was reading it while my 2 pits were cudling next to me with their innocent "i live to love you" eyes) but once i found out it was SIXTY SIX dogs AND "equipment" (i can only imagine what that means) used in dog fighting, i had seen all i needed to see.

if anyone believes the "i didnt know" excuse then theyre as stupid as vick is for saying it.
he's starting to sound like a 10 year old.
"i didnt know mommy. thats my friends pack of cigs and porno mag. i didnt know he put it in my back pack."

uh huh. sure little ronny. mommy mexico doesnt buy it, and neither do we......i hope.

[HorseHead]

Vick is a dic-......

[GonzoLays]

amidst all the draft hype, this story seems to be on the back burner, and it shouldnt be.

66 dogs? and he didnt know?

bullsh!t.

66 pit bulls, all of which couldve been in a loving home, and instead were starved and abused for the pleasure of these sick pukes.
for Gods sake put a stop to it. you wanna make an example?
here's your chance.

jake

Tough ****, he is not going to jail so you just got to deal.

People seem more upset about the treatments of dogs then they do human beings. It's crazy.

[orange 4 life]

Tough ****, he is not going to jail so you just got to deal.

People seem more upset about the treatments of dogs then they do human beings. It's crazy.

one has nothing to do with the other.
youre an idiot of epic proportions. congrats :thumbs:

[GonzoLays]

one has nothing to do with the other.
youre an idiot of epic proportions. congrats :thumbs:

And Vick is not going to jail, so all your b****ing is for naught. congrats :thumbs:

[Taco John]

And Vick is not going to jail, so all your b****ing is for not. congrats :thumbs:



Unless he's like you and is just trying to get an ego trip out of the story... am I right?

[Hotrod]

And Vick is not going to jail, so all your b****ing is for not. congrats :thumbs:

The idea of a sick **** like this not going to jail makes you happy?

Thats rather telling if I say so myself.

Are you seriously good with this ****???

[ak1971]

And Vick is not going to jail, so all your b****ing is for naught. congrats :thumbs:

Down with whitey!

[orange 4 life]

And Vick is not going to jail, so all your b****ing is for naught. congrats :thumbs:

so let me get this straight.

because some humans are treated badly, that makes it okay to treat dogs badly.
further, because vick has money and MAY be able to dodge this, that means we should pretend it didnt happen and stay quiet.

is that your stance?

wow. youre a real winner. :thumbsup:

[orange 4 life]

its people like you that give dog fighting a market. how do you sleep at night?

[orange 4 life]

Unless he's like you and is just trying to get an ego trip out of the story... am I right?

what do you mean taco?

[WoodMan]

Jail seems a little too kind to me for people who fight dogs. I know when thye broke a ring in Mississippi that all the dogs were euthanized because they were deemed as a danger and un-adoptable. Vick is the scum of the earth. I hope all Atlanta fans boycott the team until he is forced from the league. All fans of road teams should follow suit. If the league is losing $ when he shows up to play, his career will be very short lived. As for the $ he already has.........??. I would say fine him about a $1 Million per dog. Then they could be cared for and not put down.

[Hotrod]

Down with whitey!

Ah, thanks I forgot who I was dealing with for a second ;D

[Hotrod]

I've never actually wished injury on another player but I hope some dog loving LB knocks him completely out of the game forever.

[HorseHead]

Vick and Gonzolays are d-cks....

[Los Broncos]

He should be held somewhat responsible for this.

[WoodMan]

Vick and Gonzolays are d-cks....

REP

[GonzoLays]

I hope Ron Mexico gives Gonzo's mother herpes...via forcible rape. I mean there are other people in the world that have suffered worse fates than rape and herpes so I guess that makes it ok by his own measure.

Here you are b****ing and moaning about the treatment of dogs yet you wish rape and a venereal disease on another human being. Pathetic.

[NaptownChief]

Here you are b****ing and moaning about the treatment of dogs yet you wish a venereal disease on another human being. You are one stupid b****.



That would be ok. I mean "Vick is not going to jail, so all your b****ing is for naught.".

[NaptownChief]

yet you wish rape and a venereal disease on another human being.



Well I would have wished it on you but I'm afraid you would have enjoyed it.

[GonzoLays]

That would be ok. I mean "Vick is not going to jail, so all your b****ing is for naught.".

Your response doesn't even makse sense to what you quoted.

[GonzoLays]

Well I would have wished it on you but I'm afraid you would have enjoyed it.

Internet tough guy. You would never talk this way to another man face to face. Typical.

Get your rocks off here because in real life you are the bitch. Remember that.

[Paladin]

ooooooooooooooooooooo.......

Gonzo, the great strikes out again.........

ooooooooooooooooooooo........

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Send UGA to take care of him

[NaptownChief]

Internet tough guy. You would never talk this way to another man face to face. Typical.

Get your rocks off here because in real life you are the b****. Remember that.



Whatever weed head....You are the one running your yap on the first page of this thread saying stuff you would never say in a group of people face to face and survive.

As for the previous post making sense....it wasn't suppose to make sense as I was quoting your dumb ass.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

If you listen to his Susie interview he says he doesn't (didn't) know what was going on at his house there. Might be true, who knows. Can't throw him in jail for renting that house out to family unless he was complicit in some way but it does speak volumes about his character overall. Be interesting to see what the investigation turns up, if anything.

[Garcia Bronco]

People....easy...be nice to each other please.

[orange 4 life]

Jail seems a little too kind to me for people who fight dogs. I know when thye broke a ring in Mississippi that all the dogs were euthanized because they were deemed as a danger and un-adoptable. Vick is the scum of the earth. I hope all Atlanta fans boycott the team until he is forced from the league. All fans of road teams should follow suit. If the league is losing $ when he shows up to play, his career will be very short lived. As for the $ he already has.........??. I would say fine him about a $1 Million per dog. Then they could be cared for and not put down.

amen brother.

pits are amazingly sweet dogs, and theyre arguably THE best breed to have around kids and strangers.
that said, they are strong, and when ANY dog is abused it becomes unpredictable, so all 66 of those dogs ARE now essentially unadoptable.
unacceptable.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

People....easy...be nice to each other please.That stuff is nothing compared to where the bar has been set now.

[GonzoLays]

amen brother.

pits are amazingly sweet dogs, and theyre arguably THE best breed to have around kids and strangers.
that said, they are strong, and when ANY dog is abused it becomes unpredictable, so all 66 of those dogs ARE now essentially unadoptable.
unacceptable.

Pit Bulls are vicious animals that should not be any where near human beings. Ban them

[Hotrod]

Pit Bulls are vicious animals that should not be any where near human beings. Ban them

LOL your not fooling anyone with this crap.

I have a 1/2 pitt 1/2 something? and shes the single best/loving/smart/loyal dog I've ever had.

[GonzoLays]

LOL your not fooling anyone with this crap.

I have a 1/2 pitt 1/2 something? and shes the single best/loving/smart/loyal dog I've ever had.

Pit bulls are wild beasts. Despite their small numbers, they are responsible for the largest percentage of human deaths among dog breeds.

[TennBronco]

Pit bulls are wild beasts. Despite their small numbers, they are responsible for the largest percentage of human deaths among dog breeds.

You can't blame the dogs, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

[orange 4 life]

Internet tough guy. You would never talk this way to another man face to face. Typical.

Get your rocks off here because in real life you are the b****. Remember that.

yeah okay.

this from a guy that told me "deal with it" in regards to 66 dogs being abused.
you wouldnt have said that to my face.
you are an idiot, and youre proving it more and more with each post.
youre also a hypocrite.

to excuse the abuse of 66 dogs because there are also people in the world that are mistreated is so far off base its hard to comprehend.

[orange 4 life]

Whatever weed head....You are the one running your yap on the first page of this thread saying stuff you would never say in a group of people face to face and survive.


exactly. well said nappy.

[GonzoLays]

You can't blame the dogs, but I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

Dogs are not man's best friends, they are his mortal enemy.

Do you know dog attacks are the number one reason for sending children to the emergency room?

Do you know dogs bite more 5 MILLION people per year?

Dogs obviously should be housed in zoos instead of people's homes.

[TennBronco]

Dogs are not man's best friends, they are his mortal enemy.

Do you know dog attacks are the number one reason for sending children to the emergency room?

Do you know dogs bite more 5 MILLION people per year?

Dogs obviously should be housed in zoos instead of people's homes.

You are obviously mildly retarded.

[Master___Pain]

Dogs are not man's best friends, they are his mortal enemy.

Do you know dog attacks are the number one reason for sending children to the emergency room?

Do you know dogs bite more 5 MILLION people per year?

Dogs obviously should be housed in zoos instead of people's homes.

Whoa...Gonzo, when did you become a self gratifying attention whore? This is so unlike you.

[GonzoLays]

yeah okay.

this from a guy that told me "deal with it" in regards to 66 dogs being abused.
you wouldnt have said that to my face.


Hell yea I would tell you to your face that Vick isn't going to jail over his cousin's actions. What, is that going to get me beaten up by you? Are you some sort of vicious dog that attacks people who disagree with you? Are you stupid?

[elsid13]

People,

Bonzo is just looking for attention, if you haven't figured it out. He just throwing **** out there and hoping for some response because of low self esteem, and just like Bobo he'll hijacking the thread because really doesn't have anything usefully to add to an adult conversion.

[orange 4 life]

Pit Bulls are vicious animals that should not be any where near human beings. Ban them

www.dogbreedinfo.com

go to "all breeds", then click on "search by category".

go to "reliability with strangers" and "reliability with children" and notice where you find "american pitbull terrier".

vicious my ass.
go to ANY neutral site and look up the american pitbull terrier. there isnt a vicious bone in their bodies. only when BADLY neglected and abused are they dangerous, and even then theyre more likely to sulk in a corner than attack a human. its simply not in their nature. they were originally bred for two things.

sadly, one was to fight other dogs (many WILL show aggression to other animals and must be socialized at a young age).
the second is to be a companion to humans, which is why they are generally so docile around people. spuds mckkenzie, hellen kellers dog, the little rascals dog, the pup that saved the girls from the fire here in denver and the dog that helped saved 18 people in new orleans. all pits, though the media would rather focus on the bad, as well as report a "pitbull" attack even though the dog WASNT a pitbull (this happened here in colorado some time ago and 9news refused to print a retraction letter).

you really are a piece of garbgage gonzo, and as God is my witness i WOULD say that to your face.
my two pits are nothing but sweet, and its uneducated gutter trash like you that causes thousands of other sweet dogs (some just puppies) to be killed.

[orange 4 life]

People,

Bonzo is just looking for attention, if you haven't figured it out. He just throwing **** out there and hoping for some response because of low self esteem, and just like Bobo he hijacking the thread because really doesn't have anything usefully to add to an adult conversion.

then i shouldnt be responding, but how immature (not to mention trashy) does one need to be to seek attention on a thread about 66 dogs getting abused and killed?

cant he get his ADD fix somewhere else?

[orange 4 life]

Dogs are not man's best friends, they are his mortal enemy.

Do you know dog attacks are the number one reason for sending children to the emergency room?

Do you know dogs bite more 5 MILLION people per year?

Dogs obviously should be housed in zoos instead of people's homes.

now the real you comes out.
at least everyone can read this last post and know without a doubt
how irrational and uneducated you are. thanks.

[orange 4 life]

You are obviously mildly retarded.

this probably says it best.

does anyone know where popps is?

[chaz]

**** this...nothing makes me more mad than people mistreating those who are defenseless...no other way to put it, whoever did this is the scum of the earth. i hope someday justice can be done...this **** just makes me sick to my stomach...

[orange 4 life]

Hell yea I would tell you to your face that Vick isn't going to jail over his cousin's actions. What, is that going to get me beaten up by you? Are you some sort of vicious dog that attacks people who disagree with you? Are you stupid?

its safe to say that EVERYONE here has seen who the stupid one is.

....and no, you wouldnt have said it to my face. not the way you did. certainly not with the tone of acceptance (and almost happiness) that you had.
this is your quote, and there's not a snowballs chance in hell you wouldve said it to my face.
way to go rainman.

"Tough ****, he is not going to jail so you just got to deal.
People seem more upset about the treatments of dogs then they do human beings. It's crazy.... all your b!tching is for naught. congrats."

[GonzoLays]

its safe to say that EVERYONE here has seen who the stupid one is.

....and no, you wouldnt have said it to my face. not the way you did. certainly not with the tone of acceptance (and almost happiness) that you had.
this is your quote, and there's not a snowballs chance in hell you wouldve said it to my face.
way to go rainman.

"Tough ****, he is not going to jail so you just got to deal.
People seem more upset about the treatments of dogs then they do human beings. It's crazy.... all your b!tching is for naught. congrats."

You are obviously an overly sensitive person who cannot deal with people disagreeing with you. Maybe as you mature you will learn how to deal with people who have differing opinions.

I can seriously see your dumb ass trying to fight someone over a dog debate.

[ak1971]

You are obviously an overly sensitive person who cannot deal with people disagreeing with you. Maybe as you mature you will learn how to deal with people who have differing opinions.

I can seriously see your dumb ass trying to fight someone over a dog debate.


KILL THE WHITE MAN!!!!

[-Slap-]

Michael Vick and Jonathan Babineaux are lower than the microbes in my dog's feces.

[watermock]

Look. A Pit is going to behave like it's treated. I don't care for dogs, I get my fill with the two labs next door endlessly barking at times. The biggest mistake people make is they don't see their dog's behavior when they are not around. That's simply in their nature to be territorial.

Captain was a very friendly St. Benard but scared people from the back of my brother's pickup when he wasn't around. He guarded it.

My main point is that for Vick to claim ignorance needs to be read the phrase "Ignorance is no excuse", but he's just flat out lying. This cousin LIVED with Vick in 2005! This wasn't some renter, it was his cousin who had lived with him. The idea he didn't know about this is hysterical, more accurately, infuriating.

A property owner IS responsible in at least part, to make sure that surrpicious behavior is not happening on their property. You going to tell me that this even more worthless cousin wasn't being held up by Vick? The cops heard the yelping. You don't think Vick was buying tons of dog food?

I want an investigation of Vick to find where he was getting the food for these dogs. And his bank records if he was sending money to his cousin instead of collecting rent. This has red flags all over it.

The talking heads are jumping off the Vick bandwagon faster then Lemmings off a cliff. Vick doesn't even know the thin ice he's walking on, just like his idiot brother.

Goodell is going to biatchslap Vick soon. He will garner a team of lawyers to delay things again and again. The reality, however, as proved with Pacman, is you don't need a conviction in the new conduct policy.

Someone I vaguely knew had XXL Mastifs. They killed a deer and dragged it back for lunch. Jesus. I made the mistake of walking in their lair that had a steel fence post and a chain that could pull a car. Here doggie doggie and it was run. Ywlp as they both ran out of chain. These dogs were two hundred pounds and bred for fighting.

Vick will be suspended before the season starts. Bank on it.

BTW, I hadn't seen Goodell before the draft...he looks very competent and is taking his job seriously. He doesn't look like someone to **** with.

[Dutch]

Dogs are not man's best friends, they are his mortal enemy.

Interresting opinion as there is a growing number of Paleantologist who think the reason Homosapians survived and Crow Magnun man didn't was due to Homosapians partnership with wolves which started the partnership between man and dog. This is a relationship that has existed for thousands of years. Longer than any other species of animal that humans have domesticated or formed partnerships with.

Do you know dog attacks are the number one reason for sending children to the emergency room?

I'd love to see where you came up with that one. Last I checked it was the garden variety broken bone/stitches from sports/hard play. Where did you get those numbers? Got a link? Didn't think so.

Do you know dogs bite more 5 MILLION people per year?

Once again, give me a link.

Dogs obviously should be housed in zoos instead of people's homes.

What's the matter Gonz? Dogs scare or don't like you? Hmmm, in my experience....if my dog doesn't want you in my house, I probably don't either. Guess they are just picking up on what we already know...you are a worthless POS. Oh, and yeah I would be MORE than happy to say that to your face. Former Leatherkneck, and frankly I don't give a sh!t how big/bad you are. Punk attention wh0re. I'll rip your head off and crap down your kneck, then let my dog get in on it.

By the way, the Atlanta Sports media is getting down on Vic BIG time for this.

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[-Slap-]

What's the matter Gonz? Dogs scare or don't like you? Hmmm, in my experience....if my dog doesn't want you in my house, I probably don't either. Guess they are just picking up on what we already know...you are a worthless POS. Oh, and yeah I would be MORE than happy to say that to your face. Former Leatherkneck, and frankly I don't give a sh!t how big/bad you are. Punk attention wh0re. I'll rip your head off and crap down your kneck, then let my dog get in on it.

By the way, the Atlanta Sports media is getting down on Vick BIG time for this.

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Glad to hear that. The Falcons must feel like such fools now for dumping Schaub.

[footstepsfrom#27]

66 dogs - how many counts will be brought up? 1 count for each dog neglect/cruelty. Maybe 3-4 confirmed dogs in fights (under estimate)...looking at 70+ felony counts - easily.
Actually animal cruelty and possession of dogs for the purpose of dog fighting are both misdemeanors under Georgia law. Animal cruelty rises to felony status when deliberate harm such as dissmemberment occurs but neglect such as denial of food or water is defined as a missdemeanor. Dog fighting is a felony but possession for the purpose of dogfighting is not. I will be suprised if any jail time results from this.

[Dutch]

Glad to hear that. The Falcons must feel like such fools now for dumping Schaub.

There is a huge element here that was furious over them letting Schaub go. The fealing here is that Vic will get this year to get his sh!t together, both on the field and off. If not, see ya. Arther Blank is starting to reach the end of his patience is the predominant feeling here. It's funny that even the Two Live Stews (the Stewart Bros) are seriously PO'ed about this incident with the dogs.

[watermock]

Jesus Dutch! I can't can't stop laughing.

[Dutch]

Jesus Dutch! I can't can't stop laughing.

Fired up tonight, Mock. It's 0230 here in the big ATL and I'm still PO'ed about the Nuggs! One thing I can't stand is someone baggin' on dogs. Been a big part of my life. While I have no use for the ankle biting variety, no of mine (all over 65 pounds) have ever been a threat to people unless those individuals were up to no good. I've also got no use for Gonz. Too much like the majority of BS I have to listen to in ATL every day. Weak.

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[Dutch]

Jesus Dutch! I can't can't stop laughing.

Hey, do I get some REP for that or what?:sunshine:

[DB84FAN]

I cannot see vick going to jail........................... alone. Whatever money he made through the league should be taken back and distributed to associations like dumb friends league and so on, so all the dogs living in shelters can live better and this a**hole vick can go live in **** hole in some jail for years to come.

[watermock]

I'll rip your head off and crap down your neck, then let my dog get in on it.


You sound like a sissy for a leatherneck. No draw and quarter first?

[Dutch]

You sound like a sissy for a leatherneck. No draw and quarter first?

Nah, got to let the dog get hers! Besides, after a good dump. I like a smoke.

[Xenos]

Vick not part of suspected dog-fighting ring
http://www.wvec.com/news/local/stories/wvec_local_043007_vick_surry_latest.227f5d20.html

[fontaine]

Uhh, shouldn't the people who were directly involved in this dog fighting ring be punished first and foremost? I'd rather the police go directly after Boddie and throw the book at him because he was directly involved.

[penguintheory]

Considering the mental midgetry usually dominant during the offseason, there's a whole lot of moralist hyperbole being thrown around on this thread.

[gunns]

Dogs are not man's best friends, they are his mortal enemy.



No, not with a man like you. They are very intuitive in regards to who is good and bad. And I use the term "man" loosely in regards to you.

[Circle Orange]

what are you people talking about? Don't you know? As long as he can run, jump, and make the ESPN highlight reel that's all that matters! :clown: Plus, we know he's the greatest talent ever behind center, and he's PROVEN it. How, you say? Because he runs fast! He doesn't improve the team, can't hit a hippo's ass at twenty feet, inspires no one, wins nothing important and was wheeled onto the field by the owner, but is the GREATEST TALENT THAT WILL BE WASTED according to the experts if he's a bust (did I just hear something go off?)

[ol number 7]

Tough ****, he is not going to jail so you just got to deal.

People seem more upset about the treatments of dogs then they do human beings. It's crazy.

They said he talked about raising a litter of pit bulls in SI when he was in college so there is evidence he planned such an operation. To say he don't know what's going on is like Pacman throwing the money in the strip club and saying he thought they would give it back since it was a joke.
If Goodell has any stones ; the pathetic Mr. Vick needs to be suspended until ALL charges on this are cleared up. Can they welch on the Schaub trade now that kennel boy "Mr. Mexico" has been exposed??

[Bronco_Beerslug]

ANIMAL LAW COALITION
Georgia Moves To Strengthen State Dog Fighting Law (http://network.bestfriends.org/animallawcoalition/news/13271.html)

March 18, 2007 : 12:00 AM
Currently, Georgia has a fairly weak dog fighting law. Georgia State Senator Chip Rogers hopes to change that. His bill, S.B. 16, goes far beyond the current law which basically limits any prosecution for dog fighting to those caught in the act of actually goading or allowing dogs to fight. O.C.G.A. § 16-12-37

The proposed bill will hold accountable owners, breeders, trainers, transporters, sellers or purchasers of fighting dogs. The law will make it a felony for anyone to (1) provoke, harass, or encourage a dog with another animal for the specific purpose of training a dog for or causing a dog to engage in fighting (also known as baiting); (2) train, purchase, sell, transport, transfer, breed, or equip any dog for baiting or dog fighting activity; (3) possess dogs for baiting or fighting, (4) possess dog fighting paraphernalia, (5) rent, obtain or make available any property or location for the purpose of dogfighting, (6) organize, facilitate, conduct, referee, promote, advertise, sponsor, charge admission for or serve as the stakeholder for any dog fighting or baiting activity, (7) bet, gamble or encourage anyone else to do so on any baiting or dog fighting activity, (8) attend a dog fight.

The current sentence of 1-5 years and a fine of $5000 remains the same for a first offense. For a second offense under the proposed law, a person will face 1-10 years in prison and a $15,000 fine. Under S.B. 16 the court may prohibit the offender from owning or possessing any dog or having a dog on his property during the term of his sentence.

Sen. Chip Rogers sponsored the bill after a dog trained to fight attacked a young boy, requiring the child to undergo 8 surgeries on his face.

SB 16 has already passed the Georgia Senate.

A companion bill pending in the Georgia House of Representatives, H.B. 301, is more limited. That bill would basically make it illegal to own, possess, train, transport, or sell fighting dogs and cause dogs to fight. It would also be illegal under the House version to bet on dog fighting or provide a location for a dog fight.

There is no ban, though, on breeding dogs for fighting, baiting or possessing dog fighting paraphernalia.

It would be a misdemeanor to attend a dog fight.

There have been several raids in recent years in Georgia in the effort to stop dog fighting, including one in Newton County in January, 2004 in which authorities interrupted a well-attended dog fight in progress. But authorities have had a difficult time prosecuting anyone under the current law. At the time he introduced SB 16, Sen. Rogers noted there was only one person actually in jail in Georgia for dogfighting.

In the Newton County raid police arrested 123 people who had gathered at a farmhouse for a dog fight. The winner-take-all pot was $50,000. The dog fighting ring was set up in the front room of the house. There was blood everywhere, on the walls, the carpet. One dog was dead at the side of the “ring”. Another was so badly injured it was later euthanized. Thirteen other dogs were taken to animal control facilities.

The charges filed included felony cruelty to animals, dog fighting and commercial gambling.

Authorities also seized guns, cars, dog fighting magazines, several kilograms of marijuana and cocaine and more than $140,000. There were four trophies found that had been engraved with the date of the fight.

Last month in Sardis, Georgia two men were arrested for dog fighting. They are suspected of stealing people’s pets to use as “bait” to train other dogs to fight. Authorities found a video showing the men throwing dogs into a ring or pit with fighting dogs. The dogs thrown in with the fighting dogs were all maimed or killed.

Also last month a Cobb County grand jury indicted people for dog fighting following a January, 2006 raid. Authorities at that time found a dog fighting pit in a garage of a home. There was blood everywhere. Eleven adult dogs and 4 puppies were found at the scene. The dogs were scarred and also underweight and malnourished.

Police found hypodermic needles and injectable antibiotics as well as equipment for training dogs to fight.

Just this past week in Laurens County, Georgia sheriff’s deputies arrested 15 men suspected of staging dogfights. They were found at a residence behind which was a dog fighting pen and a number of dogs. In addition to dog fighting, it is hoped they can be charged with animal cruelty and gambling.

Deputies found 38 dogs at the scene. The dogs were taken to the county animal control shelter. Many of the dogs are females used for breeding. The dogs were described as “very thin” and in generally poor condition. The male dogs had wounds from fighting on their heads, faces, shoulders and front legs.

The sheriff’s department reported they have been working for 7 years to have enough evidence to make an arrest for dogfighting. These are the first arrests for the blood sport in Laurens County.

The first arrests for dog fighting were made in Oglethorpe County in the fall, 2006. Authorities raided a house where a dog fight was taking place. Several men fled as law enforcement approached, but eventually 6 were arrested for dog fighting and animal cruelty. Several trucks filled with cages containing dogs were found at the scene. Two dogs that had been fighting were injured so badly they were euthanized.

There is no question through these and other arrests in the past few years, many Georgia counties are trying to crack down on dog fighting.

Though the proposed fines are not large in view of the purses that can be won in a dog fight, the new dog fighting law, S.B. 16, will give law enforcement far more tools than they have now to end this horrific blood sport.

It is time to get serious about stopping this dangerous underworld activity characterized by illegal gambling and drugs, weapons and violence. Because of weak laws and the difficulty of prosecuting dog fighting in any event, this underground sport has fluorished and become big business. It is the dogs in particular that have paid the price. They have been bred and trained for fighting, often ending up dead, maimed, and scarred as a result of these brutal fights. Or they are seized by animal control or dumped at local shelters, generally unadoptable, and where they are almost always euthanized.

Contact members of the Georgia House of Representatives and urge them to support S.B. 16. Don't wait! The dog fighting bill could come up for a vote at any time!Members of Georgia House of Representatives (http://www.legis.ga.gov/legis/2007_08/house/07alpha.html)

If you live in Georgia, click here to find your representative. Find your Georgia state representative (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/FindLegislator.htm)

For a look at the tougher animal fighting bill signed into law in South Carolina in 2006, click on this link. Under that new law there are provisions for seizure and forfeiture of property used for dog fighting, a tool that has proven helpful in enforcing other crimes like the manufacture, sale and distribution of illegal drugs. South Carolina’s New Animal Fighting Law (http://network.bestfriends.org/animallawcoalition/news/4981.html)
Placement Of The Dogs Poses A Problem For South Carolina Authorities In Cracking Down On Dogfighting (http://network.bestfriends.org/animallawcoalition/news/9860.html)

For a look at bills pending in Congress to stop the movement of dogs and other animals across state and national borders for fighting and how you can help pass these bills, click here.
Support Animal Fighting Bills Pending In Congress (http://network.bestfriends.org/animallawcoalition/news/10853.html)

[Hotrod]

You are obviously mildly retarded.

LOL I was thinking "high functioning retard"

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Michael Vick and Jonathan Babineaux are lower than the microbes in my dog's feces.

You forgot your favorite ex Bronco - Ashley Lelie

[Master___Pain]

I thought the Vick property that was raided was in Virginia not Georgia.

[Rigs11]

Here you are b****ing and moaning about the treatment of dogs yet you wish rape and a venereal disease on another human being. Pathetic.

What an idiot. The "human being" is at fault here numbskull.that idiot deserves every freaking disease known to mankind for what he did to those dogs.Dogs are smart, loyal animals.They know what is going on,they suffer as I or you do.Human beings are superior in intelligence and should therefore take care of animals and should face consequences for animal cruelty.

[NaptownChief]

Human beings are superior in intelligence

Except for Gonzo and Vick. A brain damaged dog has them both beat.

[SouthernBronco]

Sad thing here is that Vick still has a huge following. My buddy is a huge falcon fan and was furious about Shaub. There are alot of people here wanting Vicks ass tossed out. Yours truly included.

[NaptownChief]

Sad thing here is that Vick still has a huge following. My buddy is a huge falcon fan and was furious about Shaub. There are alot of people here wanting Vicks ass tossed out. Yours truly included.




When people talk about the biggest busts of all time they talk about Leaf and Couch and a few others but Vick should be at the top of that list. Leaf, Couch and others like them stunk but only screwed their team out of a big rookie contract. Vick screwed his team out of a big rookie contract and then followed it up with the biggest contract in the history of the NFL. So while he wasn't as bad as Leaf, Akili Smith and the such but in terms of performance to total cost he is the biggest bust and worst investment in the history of football.

[Broncojef]

Sad thing here is that Vick still has a huge following. My buddy is a huge falcon fan and was furious about Shaub. There are alot of people here wanting Vicks ass tossed out. Yours truly included.

If Atlanta had any kind of backbone Ron Mexico would have been traded and the reigns handed over to Schaub. Their incompetence is the texans/Kubiaks gain. I'm not a pit bull fan but keeping 66 dogs in that condition is crazy. If that happened on land I owned I know I'd be in jail. Definitely the double standard in full force, and nice to see Gonzo can still make something this outrageous another race issue, some things never change.

[Garcia Bronco]

When people talk about the biggest busts of all time they talk about Leaf and Couch and a few others but Vick should be at the top of that list. Leaf, Couch and others like them stunk but only screwed their team out of a big rookie contract. Vick screwed his team out of a big rookie contract and then followed it up with the biggest contract in the history of the NFL. So while he wasn't as bad as Leaf, Akili Smith and the such but in terms of performance to total cost he is the biggest bust and worst investment in the history of football.

That's complete garbage.

[orange 4 life]

If Atlanta had any kind of backbone Ron Mexico would have been traded and the reigns handed over to Schaub. Their incompetence is the texans/Kubiaks gain. I'm not a pit bull fan but keeping 66 dogs in that condition is crazy. If that happened on land I owned I know I'd be in jail. Definitely the double standard in full force, and nice to see Gonzo can still make something this outrageous another race issue, some things never change.

race of course has nothing to do with it, but your comment makes me curious. what 3rd grade comments does mindgonzo make w/ regards to race?

as far as not being a fan of pits, youre certainly entitled to your opinion, but i would suggest that maybe that opinion is born out of the lies that are spread about the breed?
ive never met a SINGLE person that has spent any reasonable amount of time with these dogs and not been a fan.
i wasnt a fan until i adopted one without even being aware he was a pit.
now years later and with 2 of 'em, it boggles my mind how sweet, loving, and SMART these dogs are!!

my pitbull pup (he's about a year and a half) has learned how to smile.
whenever we come home we're greeted with his grinning face which of course he knows is gonna get him alot of love, but the real brilliance comes when he gets in trouble.
as soon as we start to get mad at him, he looks up and smiles. its so damn cute it makes it hard to discipline him.

anyway, i apologize for going on, but with all the dogs getting killed (and the horrifying article posted on this page) anymore ive made it my personal mission to try and spread the word as much as possible.
my family has done alot of work with no-kill shelters donating time and money and even fostering dogs (which is how i got my oldest pit), but now all the time is spent in hopes of overturning the ridiculous ban and also educate and encourage others to adopt one of these truly amazing animals.

jake

[footstepsfrom#27]

I thought the Vick property that was raided was in Virginia not Georgia.
You're correct...but it's also a missdemeanor there based on what 's known so far at least.

[Antilles]

Here's your VA statute. Dogfighting is a class 6 felony. Pay special attention to (A)(5):


§ 3.1-796.124. Dogfighting; penalty


A. No person shall knowingly do any of the following:

1. Promote, engage in, or be employed in the fighting of dogs for amusement, sport or gain;

2. Wager money or anything of value on the result of such fighting;

3. Receive money or anything of value for the admission of another person to a place for dogfighting;

4. Possess, own, train, transport, or sell any dog with the intent that such dog engage in an exhibition of fighting with another dog; or

5. Permit any act described in subdivisions 1 through 4 of this subsection on any premises under his charge or control, or aid or abet any such act.

B. Any animal control officer, as defined in § 3.1-796.66, shall confiscate any dogs that have been, are, or are intended to be used in dogfighting and any equipment used in training such dogs or used in dogfighting.

C. Any person convicted of violating this section may be prohibited by the court from possession or ownership of other companion animals.

D. Any person who violates any provision of this section shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony.

[Antilles]

Here’s the potential punishment:

§ 18.2-10. Punishment for conviction of felony; penalty


The authorized punishments for conviction of a felony are:

. . .

(f) For Class 6 felonies, a term of imprisonment of not less than one year nor more than five years, or in the discretion of the jury or the court trying the case without a jury, confinement in jail for not more than 12 months and a fine of not more than $ 2,500, either or both.

[orange 4 life]

You're correct...but it's also a missdemeanor there based on what 's known so far at least.

hopefully it wont be for long.
maybe some good can come out of this even if vick can somehow sidestep it.
maybe people will be forced to open their eyes and see how disgusting this is.
maybe people will be compelled to do something to change these laws.

if this quote from the article posted earlier doesnt turn your stomach, then not much will.

"The dog fighting ring was set up in the front room of the house. There was blood everywhere, on the walls, the carpet. One dog was dead at the side of the “ring”. Another was so badly injured it was later euthanized. Thirteen other dogs were taken to animal control facilities."

[NaptownChief]

That's complete garbage.



So says the long time Hokie and Ron Mexico appoligist. Over $50 million paid and 1 measly playoff win to show for it....Please name one player that can even come close to matching that.

[Garcia Bronco]

So says the long time Hokie and Ron Mexico appoligist. Over $50 million paid and 1 measly playoff win to show for it....Please name one player that can even come close to matching that.

Yep..he's the only guy on the team. Imagine how terrible they would be without him. Imagine that Hartwell actually finsihed a season on defense. Imagine if they had a coach that wasn't on the sideline sniffing smelling salts. While he hasn't been the perfect QB, he's damn good at what he does. Putting him in with Couch and Leaf? That's a joke. I also feel it's my duty to point out that the "1 measly playoff win" is 1 more than any Chiefs team and QB has accomplished in about 15 years and even then they needed Joe Montana.

[Master___Pain]

It's a good thing that ATL traded the best player in the NFL for Vick. I wonder if they want a mulligan? Vick is a dynamic player but a ****ty QB and more and more seeming like a ****ty person.

[Rigs11]

Yep..he's the only guy on the team. Imagine how terrible they would be without him. Imagine that Hartwell actually finsihed a season on defense. Imagine if they had a coach that wasn't on the sideline sniffing smelling salts. While he hasn't been the perfect QB, he's damn good at what he does. Putting him in with Couch and Leaf? That's a joke. I also feel it's my duty to point out that the "1 measly playoff win" is 1 more than any Chiefs team and QB has accomplished in about 15 years and even then they needed Joe Montana.

ROFL! too funny. So in Atlanta it's a 'team' game, but her in Denver it was all jake's fault.Hilarious!

[Garcia Bronco]

ROFL! too funny. So in Atlanta it's a 'team' game, but her in Denver it was all jake's fault.Hilarious!

Who said it was all Jakes fault? You need to take that up with some one else.

[NaptownChief]

Yep..he's the only guy on the team. Imagine how terrible they would be without him. Imagine that Hartwell actually finsihed a season on defense. Imagine if they had a coach that wasn't on the sideline sniffing smelling salts. While he hasn't been the perfect QB, he's damn good at what he does. Putting him in with Couch and Leaf? That's a joke. I also feel it's my duty to point out that the "1 measly playoff win" is 1 more than any Chiefs team and QB has accomplished in about 15 years and even then they needed Joe Montana.



But I thought "he just wins games"? What happened to that mantra when he was putting up ****ty numbers but they were winning? Now he continues to put up ****ty numbers and they can't even make the playoffs. Clearly the "just wins games" stuff had a lot more to do with defense and the rest of the team than his sorry ass.

Damn good at what he does......what is that pass out herpes, smoke weed and abuse dogs?

[Garcia Bronco]

But I thought "he just wins games"? What happened to that mantra when he was putting up ****ty numbers but they were winning? Now he continues to put up ****ty numbers and they can't even make the playoffs. Clearly the "just wins games" stuff had a lot more to do with defense and the rest of the team than his sorry ass.

Damn good at what he does......what is that pass out herpes and abuse dogs?

If I was as classless as you are I might say...Only when your momma is in town. But that wouldn't be right. Truth is he's about average in league statistically speaking..so really...what is your problem with the guy? You done this for years and gone just short of calling him a n*****. So what did he do to you?

[NaptownChief]

If I was as classless as you are I might say...Only when your momma is in town. But that wouldn't be right. Truth is he's about average in league statistically speaking..so really...what is your problem with the guy? You done this for years and gone just short of calling him a n*****. So what did he do to you?



Well statistically average when you are the highest paid player in NFL history constitutes a huge bust. When you are paid like Peyton Manning but perform like Brad Johnson(actually that isn't fair to Johnson) then you are a huge bust.

Amazing how folks that defend that POS when they get tired of being punished by the obvious facts they try to make it a race topic. Very, very pathetic.

You try to call me classless while defending one of the biggest bums on the earth. How ironic. You debate skills are about on par with Mexico's QB skills.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

If I was as classless as you are I might say...Only when your momma is in town. But that wouldn't be right. Truth is he's about average in league statistically speaking..so really...what is your problem with the guy? You done this for years and gone just short of calling him a n*****. So what did he do to you?

What a load of crap! Where in the hell did you get that out of his post?

[NaptownChief]

What a load of crap! Where in the hell did you get that out of his post?


It's the yee old I'm beat so let's try and divert the attention elsewhere garbage.....Popular among politicians and other lesser life forms around the world.

[Beantown Bronco]

If I was as classless as you are I might say...Only when your momma is in town. But that wouldn't be right. Truth is he's about average in league statistically speaking..so really...what is your problem with the guy? You done this for years and gone just short of calling him a n*****. So what did he do to you?

22nd in the league in QB rating and Passing Yards (Leinart had more passing yards in only 12 games, and McNabb had more in 10 games).....and second from the bottom of the league in completion percentage (only rookie Vince Young was worse) does not equate to an "average" QB in my eyes.

Vick is a stiff.

[Garcia Bronco]

Well statistically average when you are the highest paid player in NFL history constitutes a huge bust. When you are paid like Peyton Manning but perform like Brad Johnson(actually that isn't fair to Johnson) then you are a huge bust.

Amazing how folks that defend that POS when they get tired of being punished by the obvious facts they try to make it a race topic. Very, very pathetic.

You try to call me classless while defending one of the biggest bums on the earth. How ironic. You debate skills are about on par with Mexico's QB skills.

And your witch hunt on the man is retarded. And btw...Vick out performed Brad Johnson last season, and Huard was so great statistically speaking that he didn't even start in the playoffs. Chew on that while you think up more hate for Michael Vick.

[Garcia Bronco]

22nd in the league in QB rating and Passing Yards (Leinart had more passing yards in only 12 games, and McNabb had more in 10 games).....and second from the bottom of the league in completion percentage (only rookie Vince Young was worse) does not equate to an "average" QB in my eyes.

Vick is a stiff.

All good and well...yet you didn't mention Vick also tacked on another grand in rushing yards.

[Beantown Bronco]

All good and well...yet you didn't mention Vick also tacked on another grand in rushing yards.

Because, for me, loads of rushing yards says nothing about how good of a QB he is. In fact, it helps make the opposite argument. His lack of ability throwing the ball forced him to run more often than not....

A QB who regularly runs for more yards than he passes for has a real problem. He may be a great athlete, but he is NOT a great or even above average QB.

[Garcia Bronco]

Because, for me, loads of rushing yards says nothing about how good of a QB he is. In fact, it helps make the opposite argument. His lack of ability throwing the ball forced him to run more often than not....

A QB who regularly runs for more yards than he passes for has a real problem. He may be a great athlete, but he is NOT a great or even above average QB.


He's a classic QB and you can't rate him like you would a Payton Manning. He also only ran the ball 123 times while attempting 388 passes. He's a dual threat guy...this isn't new...that's how he won in college and how he has won in the NFL. He can throw and has more arm strength and he's more accurate than you think. I've watched countless games where he hits receivers in the hands and they drop the ball.

[Garcia Bronco]

It's the yee old I'm beat so let's try and divert the attention elsewhere garbage.....Popular among politicians and other lesser life forms around the world.

The only "lesser form of life" spewing garbage on this subject is you. You really should be nicer to people.

[Master___Pain]

Heh...I wonder where this thread would be if Vick had gone to Virginia? I have a feeling that Garcia's lips would not be firmly planted in and around Vick's gooch. I appreciate Garcia's tenacity in attempting to shill for Vick, but it reminds me of some of my CU buddies that would shamelessly homer for Kordell. Bottom line is Vick is an average QB at best.

[Chupacabra]

[QUOTE=orange 4 life;1572021]pits are amazingly sweet dogs, and theyre arguably THE best breed to have around kids and strangers.
[QUOTE]

and my nuts are square

[Beantown Bronco]

I've watched countless games where he hits receivers in the hands and they drop the ball.

Yeah....we all saw the highlights from that one game where that happened towards the end of last year. It made all the ESPN and NFL Network shows that week. And why? Because it was an aberration. It was not the norm and certainly didn't happen countless times. If it did, it would not have been so newsworthy. Every QB has to deal with games where the receivers have the case of the dropsies. It all averages out in the end.

For every easy drop one of his WR was responsible for, I guarantee I could dig up film of 2 or 3 his passes that landed nowhere near a receiver.

[orange 4 life]

[QUOTE=orange 4 life;1572021]pits are amazingly sweet dogs, and theyre arguably THE best breed to have around kids and strangers.
[QUOTE]

and my nuts are square

again, an uneducated comment born out of ignorance.
how old are you?
i only ask because if you are over 30 then you remember when NO ONE spoke poorly of pits.
in the 70's, the a-holes that wanted a mean dog (and abused it as such) got a doberman. when you saw a mean dog in the movies it was a doberman.
by the mid 80's it was shepherds. early 90's rots were the main target.
now its pits.

again, helen kellers dog was a pit. the little rascals. list goes on.
again, go to a NEUTRAL website like www.dogbreedinfo.com and look up reliability with strangers and reliability with children.
take a poll of vets, groomers, and shelter employees.
my last THREE vets have all owned pits, and 2 said having young kids was their reason FOR having an american pitbull terrier.

ALL dogs can be abused, but pitbulls by nature are EXTREMELY docile towards humans unlike many other popular breeds (dalmations, chihuahua, spaniel, poodle, etc.) who have to be taught not to snap.
a pit has to be flat out TORTURED before it will become aggressive towards humans.

ARE your balls square? ;)

[Garcia Bronco]

Yeah....we all saw the highlights from that one game where that happened towards the end of last year. It made all the ESPN and NFL Network shows that week. And why? Because it was an aberration. It was not the norm and certainly didn't happen countless times. If it did, it would not have been so newsworthy. Every QB has to deal with games where the receivers have the case of the dropsies. It all averages out in the end.

For every easy drop one of his WR was responsible for, I guarantee I could dig up film of 2 or 3 his passes that landed nowhere near a receiver.

No you couldn't. Further more...you couldn't tell what the signal was, nor if the reciever ran the right route..or if he was just throwing it away.

[cutthemdown]

I heard the feds are getting involved because they think the locals aren't investigating Vick hard enough. This could get really ugly for vick if the feds start snooping around.

[NaptownChief]

And your witch hunt on the man is retarded.



Your non-stop defense of a bad QB and an even worse person speaks volumes of you.

Just because I was right about him years ago and he continues to make me even more correct with each passing season you shouldn't blame me.

[Atwater His Ass]

No you couldn't. Further more...you couldn't tell what the signal was, nor if the reciever ran the right route..or if he was just throwing it away.

And you can? How would you know if the reciever ran the correct route and Vick threw to the wrong area? It goes both ways.

Anyone outside of the media or a biased homer will concede that while Vick is an amazing athlete, he's nothing more than average at the QB position.

Take a poll. I'd bet more people given the choice would build a franchise around Schuab than Vick. Hell, I'd bet Vick isn't even in the top 10 of current NFL QBs that one would choose to build a team around.

[Master___Pain]

And you can? How would you know if the reciever ran the correct route and Vick threw to the wrong area? It goes both ways.

Anyone outside of the media or a biased homer will concede that while Vick is an amazing athlete, he's nothing more than average at the QB position.

Take a poll. I'd bet more people given the choice would build a franchise around Schuab than Vick. Hell, I'd bet Vick isn't even in the top 10 of current NFL QBs that one would choose to build a team around.

but.........but....but....he sells jerseys

[orange 4 life]

I heard the feds are getting involved because they think the locals aren't investigating Vick hard enough. This could get really ugly for vick if the feds start snooping around.

GREAT to hear. thanks for the update.

also, in light of the NFL's treatment of pacman jones (and the precedent they set) im hoping that they take action regardless of what happens legally.

[Rascal]

This might have been posted, if so I apologize.

Either way, it looks like the FBI is investigating Vick on this matter.

http://www.wvec.com/news/topstories/stories/wvec_local_050107_vick_dog_sale_website.283e114d.h tml

Federal investigators have joined an investigation into an alleged dog-fighting ring behind a Surry County home owned by NFL star Michael Vick.

13News has also uncovered evidence of a dog breeding business with ties to Vick.

The Website for Vicks' K-9 Kennels offers pit bulls and other breeds for sale.

When 13News logged on Tuesday, it appeared the site was last updated in the fall of 2006.

Watch the report The contact form lists a Suffolk address; the listed phone number doesn't work.

Investigators confirm they've included the Web site in their portfolio of evidence as they consider charges.

Vick does not live at the Moonlight Road home, but he could face charges if he knew about the alleged dog fighting ring, a felony under Virginia law.

The case was started when authorities went to the home to serve a warrant on a Vick relative, Devon Boddie, who faces drug charges in Hampton.

[watermock]

Take for what it's worth.

POSTED 9:20 p.m. EDT, May 1, 2007

PROSECUTOR TAKES SWIPE AT VICK

Though the national media has moved on (and moved out) to other stories, certain true journalists in the Commonwealth of Virginia are giving one of the biggest potential examples of pro athlete wrongdoing proper attention and treatment.

On Tuesday, WVEC-TV advanced the ball on the Michael Vick dog-fighting fiasco, reporting that the feds are now on the case, and that neighbors of Vick's Surry County, Virginia property dispute his contention that he never visits the house.

WAVY-TV possibly has taken the ball and slammed it through the hoop; Surry County prosecutor Gerald Poindexter told the station that Vick's claim is "totally bogus."

"There's no question Michael Vick comes here," Poindexter said.

As to the notion that Vick knows nothing of the dog-related activities at the property, Poindexter observed, "The man is a registered breeder of pit bulls. Obviously he's in the dog business."

WAVY also reports that neighbors complained of suspicious dog-related activity as early as 2003. In file footage taken when the house was being built, the buildings that housed the dogs can be seen, along with what appears to be dog-training equipment and signs warning of the presence of dogs.

Here's the kicker. One of the men who helped build the house told WAVY that, during construction of the 4,700-square-foot residence, Vick routinely was at the property. The workers saw at least 40 dogs and equipment commonly used to train fighting dogs.

Several readers have asked why we keep writing about this story. First, there continue to be new developments, which call into question Vick's apparent "I don't know nothing" defense. Second, we're talking about the possibility that one of the biggest stars in the NFL has been financing and operating a side business that is premised upon the gruesome mutilation and death of animals for amusement. Third, dog fighting isn't just a spectator sport for the sick and twisted; it's a conduit for gambling. In the event that Vick is hooked on wagering related to dog fighting, what other illegal gambling activities might he be engaged in?

And yet the national media continues to ignore these reports. Three weeks ago, we beat a 60-something-year-old man to death for calling a bunch of women's basketball players an off-color name. Where are all of the voices who crammed coverage of the Imus imbroglio down our throats?

If Vick is ever indicted, this will become a much bigger story. But Don Imus got a nationwide blanket party and he didn't come remotely close to breaking a law. How is it that one of the primary faces of professional sports is getting a pass from the press, especially when the evidence already indicates that the man is lying about what he knew and when he knew it?


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

POSTED 6:54 p.m. EDT, May 1, 2007

NEIGHBORS SAY VICK IS AT VIRGINIA HOME "ONCE EVERY FEW MONTHS"

Patrick Terpstra of WVEC-TV reports that neighbors of Michael Vick's Surry County, Virginia home where evidence of dog fighting was found last week claim that the Falcons quarterback is at the property "once every few months."

Last week, Vick (the undisputed owner of the property) said that he never goes there, and he blamed family members for the apparent dog-fighting operation.

Terpstra also has discovered the web site for Vick's K-9 Kennels, to which we linked on Friday night. (Scroll down.) The listed address of the site is Moonlight Road in Suffolk, Virginia. But Terpstra explains that there is no Moonlight Road in Suffolk. There is, however, a Moonlight Road in Smithfield -- and Vick's property is on it.

Terpstra also reports that complaints of dog fighting at the property were made as early as 2005. It remains to be seen whether the complaints were investigated, or whether the situation was brushed under the rug because of the fame and celebrity of the owner of the land.

The WVEC news video can be seen on this page

[Dutch]

I don't think this one is going away for Mikey.

[Hotrod]

Cuts off his bawls...give him brest implants and send him to prison.

Enjoy playing catcher in the big house you scum bag POS.......then burn in Hell.

[BigBad]

I would love to go back and see how many in here were blasting us for trading away the rights to this guy.

Gee does anyone even dispute who got the better end of that trade.

LT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Vick

[watermock]

He builds a 4700 square foot new house for his cousin who lived with thim in 2005 and pleads ignorance.

It's time put him into his place. The FEDs are on this now, he's toast.

You get indicted by the FEDs you might as well cooperate or hang yourself. They are a no judge and jury company.

[shakenbake]

LT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Vick


I think that it is pretty much universally agreed upon. I don't remember too many people ripping the chargers for the move.

[Smiling Assassin27]

He's gonna get hit with the Goodell stick. The new conduct policy is gonna ruin Atlanta's season before it even starts. If it's true that he's in the dog business, then I hope he sees the inside of a prison cell. Despicable if true.

[BigBad]

I think that it is pretty much universally agreed upon. I don't remember too many people ripping the chargers for the move.

Go back and read some stuff from their rookie year. Vick was GOD then and the Chargers blew it.

[watermock]

Need self validation for your One and OUT?

[Dukes]

For some reason, I have a gut feeling that nothing will happen to Vick over this. I hope I'm wrong

[watermock]

The feds are involved now, he's toast. He won't be suspended. He will be in jail.

[Dukes]

The feds are involved now, he's toast. He won't be suspended. He will be in jail.

I'll believe it when I see it

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Dog breeding business tied to Vick

(http://www.wvec.com/news/topstories/stories/wvec_local_050107_vick_dog_sale_website.283e114d.h tml) 08:43 PM EDT on Tuesday, May 1, 2007

http://www.wvec.com/includes/byline/images/terpstra.jpg Reported by: Patrick Terpstra (pterpstra@wvec.com)

Federal investigators have joined an investigation into an alleged dog-fighting ring behind a Surry County home owned by NFL star Michael Vick.

13News has also uncovered evidence of a dog breeding business with ties to Vick.

The Website for Vicks' K-9 Kennels offers pit bulls and other breeds for sale.

When 13News logged on Tuesday, it appeared the site was last updated in the fall of 2006.

The site's copyright is listed as MV7, a company owned by the Newport News native.\

The man who registered the site also registered Vick's personal site, but company's address says 9368 Moonlight Road in Suffolk, which that doesn't exist. Moonlight Road in Surry is where you find Vick's house, but 9368 is where you find an abandoned grocery store and farmland.

The listed phone number doesn't work.
Investigators confirm they've included the Web site in their portfolio of evidence as they consider charges.
Vick does not live at the Moonlight Road home, but he could face charges if he knew about the alleged dog fighting ring, a felony under Virginia law.
The case was started when authorities went to the home to serve a warrant on a Vick relative, Devon Boddie, who faces drug charges in Hampton.

If Vick truly knew nothing about any possible dog abuse in his backyard, he's likely to avoid criminal charges, but if he knew about any dog abuse or dog fighting and turned a blind eye, the sheriff says he will face criminal charges.

Also Online (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/) Vicks' K-9 Kennels Website (http://www.vicksk9kennels.com/)
13News Report: Vick not target of investigation (http://www.wvec.com/news/newportnews/stories/wvec_local_043007_vick_surry_latest.227f5d20.html)

13News Report: Property described as professional level animal fighting facility (http://www.wvec.com/news/topstories/stories/wvec_local_042707_vick_home_dog_update.123184ad.ht ml)

[Florida_Bronco]

What a classy guy. Not only does he do these things, but then he tries to throw a family member under the bus for it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/9310/clipboard01bj8.jpg

[watermock]

Remember when the Illinois NAZI's tracked down to Wrigley Field that Elwood of the Blues Brothers used for his suspended DL?

"They probably have SMOTTS"

I know every line in that stupid movie.
Great musical too. Aretha Franklin, Ray Charles shooing over the head of a kid trying to steal...the street dance was great.

I laugh just thinking about it. ":You sold the Caddilac for a microphone?"
"It's got cop tires, cop brakes and a 460 motor, heavy duty suspension and the were giving them away!"

I don't mean to drone, but a little known fact is that the mall they ran thru was scheduled to be torn down and was restocked for the take.

In addition, the Chicago cops had retired about a hundred cop cars.

I'e worn out the CD.

[watermock]

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/9310/clipboard01bj8.jpg

That is a Mastif.

[orange 4 life]

thanks for posting the article mock.
glad to see not everyone is brushing this under the rug. he ABSOLUTELY knew what was going on, and i hope they have the evidence to prove it.
further, i expect the NFL to stay true to form with the precedent they set in suspending pacman jones. now lets see what they do when the guy in question sells a ton of jerseys. THIS is the real time to make an example.

as for the mastif, the common thing to do when these a-holes breed dogs to fight is mix the am. pitbull terrier with mastif and/or shepherd so you get added size.

[watermock]

:You might notice that there were not any poodles on the site. It also Is VIckK9 but I can't get into it.

[watermock]

A mastiff scares anyone. "here doggie didn't work. The NAZI's had German Shepards...the SS had Mastifs. One of these dragged back a deer. Where do you go with that if you don't have a gun or club"

Spleaing uf clubs, an 68 year old woman at a convenience store was being robbed, and when she "accidentally" dropped the cash, he bent down and he hammered him twice with a mini bat. Serious tits.

Knocked him out cold. Brave old girl. *whack...whack*....She will probably be sued.

[watermock]

Beerslug is the one that posted it, actually.

Vick won't be playing this year, bank it. Did you notice Marcus was released the other day?

[TheDave]

http://www.vicksk9kennels.com/index_moreinfo.html

OUR FEATURED STUD :: PEPE :: PRESA CANARIO

Look at this ultimate canine that is highly intelligent, powerful, well-framed, and has tenacious courage. Pepe is naturally confident and will go through great lengths to fulfill all of his owner’s commands.

No other breed can compare. Pepe has dignity, strength, an appealing appearance, and is committed to having extreme performance. You are looking at a well qualified family pet and protector.

Yeah 'cause when i'm looking for a family pet i want one that is "commited to having extreme performance"


By the way look at the coppyright at the bottom of the page....

Copyright © 2006 MV7 INC. All rights reserved.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

That is a Mastif.
Actually it's a Perro de Presa Canario, as stated. Some Mastiff cross breeding way back when along with Bulldog and various Spanish breeds.

I see at the bottom of his site is 'MV7 Inc'.

He was selling Rotts here (http://www.vicksk9kennels.com/store/) for $1000 each and Presa Canario's there for undisclosed prices.

[NaptownChief]

It is amazing how the national media is doing their best to give him a free pass....

PFT makes a great point about how off colored comments in this country is far worse then felonious activity according to the liberal media.

John Rocker was vilified 1000 times beyond what Ray Lewis was despite the fact that Lewis at a bare minimum was directly involved in a multiple murder, harbored the killers and tried to cover it up.....and it is possible he was the killer.

[Garcia Bronco]

And you can? How would you know if the reciever ran the correct route and Vick threw to the wrong area? It goes both ways.





That was exactly my point. It does go both ways because we don't know. As far as Schaub is concerned...the backup QB is the most popular guy on the team....because he doesn't play. He will no longer have that net. Not to mention the coaching in Atlanta has been a joke.

[Garcia Bronco]

Your non-stop defense of a bad QB and an even worse person speaks volumes of you.

Just because I was right about him years ago and he continues to make me even more correct with each passing season you shouldn't blame me.

You weren't right then and you might be right now...but you have just as much an oppotunity to be wrong tomorrow.

[NaptownChief]

. Not to mention the coaching in Atlanta has been a joke.



Why? Because they can't win games with a guy that is dumber than a bag of hammers under center?

I agree that the coaching has been poor cause a good coach would have benched Mexico long ago in order to give their team a chance to win....however since Arthur "I Gave Mexico A Blank Check" threw all that money out the window I'm guessing the coach doesn't have a choice.

Jim Mora Sr wasn't just making things up when he said Mexico is a coach killer.

[Garcia Bronco]

Why? Because they can't win games with a guy that is dumber than a bag of hammers under center?

I agree that the coaching has been poor cause a good coach would have benched Mexico long ago in order to give their team a chance to win....however since Arthur "I Gave Mexico A Blank Check" threw all that money out the window I'm guessing the coach doesn't have a choice.

Jim Mora Sr wasn't just making things up when he said Mexico is a coach killer.


So your excuse for Mora is comments by his Dad? Mora Jr is a terrible coach and it's obvious. The only reason he even had those opportunities is because of who his dad is. Just admit it...you are jealous of Vick, his money, that he gets to play football for a living, his ability, and it just scraps your nads that ESPiN was all over his jock. The hate you have spewed at the guy over the years is laughable

[NaptownChief]

So your excuse for Mora is comments by his Dad? Mora Jr is a terrible coach and it's obvious. The only reason he even had those opportunities is because of who his dad is. Just admit it...you are jealous of Vick, his money, that he gets to play football for a living, his ability, and it just scraps your nads that ESPiN was all over his jock. The hate you have spewed at the guy over the years is laughable


He is a bad QB and a worse person. It is that simple. The only thing laughable is your constant defense over the years of a first rate POS.

You Vick apologist are all the same...blame the coaching(of course they had to change HC and OC's regularly because nobody can help some one so stupid)blame the receivers despite the fact they keep spending high draft picks and tons of money on them yet they can't even make him look decent. Everybody's fault except poor little herpes infested Ron Mexico.

[Beantown Bronco]

Just admit it...you are jealous of Vick, his money, that he gets to play football for a living, his ability, and it just scraps your nads that ESPiN was all over his jock.

I don't see him make posts like this about Manning or Brady. I'd say that pretty much kills that theory.

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't see him make posts like this about Manning or Brady. I'd say that pretty much kills that theory.

No it doesn't.

[Garcia Bronco]

He is a bad QB and a worse person. It is that simple. The only thing laughable is your constant defense over the years of a first rate POS.

You Vick apologist are all the same...blame the coaching(of course they had to change HC and OC's regularly because nobody can help some one so stupid)blame the receivers despite the fact they keep spending high draft picks and tons of money on them yet they can't even make him look decent. Everybody's fault except poor little herpes infested Ron Mexico.

The only POS here is you.. talking about someone you don't even know, and after the comments you made toward Gonzo.

[footstepsfrom#27]

One thing to note...under Virginia law, animal cruelty, ie; starvation, lack of water, etc...as opposed to something like torture or dissmemberment...is a missdemeanor not a felony...so one would suppose that unless they can produce some hard evidence that he 1) knew about it, 2) did more than sell the dogs, and 3) actually participated himself in dog fighting by running the business, funding it, or in some way managing it, he probably stands to be charged with missdemeanors. He'll have no problem affording lawyers who can easily tie this up in the courts indefinitely so while Goodell might jump in with a suspension, I can't see him missing the season because he's in jail. This will be two years before it even goes to court unless he goes with a public defender instead of real lawyers.

My main question is why the feds are involved. This is a state felony if it's dog fighting...maybe they suspect some form of interstate commerce here. There has to be something like that or they wouldn't be involved.

[NaptownChief]

I don't see him make posts like this about Manning or Brady. I'd say that pretty much kills that theory.

He isn't worried about being accurate....he is just trying defend an indefensible person so he has to try and make things up.


Garcia,

I'm not familiar with prisons....will you still be able to cock swallow the guy when he is locked up?

[orange 4 life]

The only POS here is you.. talking about someone you don't even know, and after the comments you made toward Gonzo.

i dont care whether or not vick can play qb right now, but i do care about his actions with these animals.
gonzo is a piece of garbage and its about a 99% certainty that vick is too.

[Bladerunner]

One thing to note...under Virginia law, animal cruelty, ie; starvation, lack of water, etc...as opposed to something like torture or dissmemberment...is a missdemeanor not a felony...so one would suppose that unless they can produce some hard evidence that he 1) knew about it, 2) did more than sell the dogs, and 3) actually participated himself in dog fighting by running the business, funding it, or in some way managing it, he probably stands to be charged with missdemeanors. He'll have no problem affording lawyers who can easily tie this up in the courts indefinitely so while Goodell might jump in with a suspension, I can't see him missing the season because he's in jail. This will be two years before it even goes to court unless he goes with a public defender instead of real lawyers.

My main question is why the feds are involved. This is a state felony if it's dog fighting...maybe they suspect some form of interstate commerce here. There has to be something like that or they wouldn't be involved.


yeah...probably that or gambling...

I had no idea that Garcia was so brainwashed on Vick...Ron Mexico is a poor to average QB who has no accountability and has no business being the highest paid player in the NFL. He can't stay out of trouble, and he isn't showing squat on the field.

[Paladin]

yeah...probably that or gambling...

I had no idea that Garcia was so brainwashed on Vick...Ron Mexico is a poor to average QB who has no accountability and has no business being the highest paid player in the NFL. He can't stay out of trouble, and he isn't showing squat on the field.

Rep. Absolutely right on.

But h3ll. He is from VT.......:giggle:

[NaptownChief]

yeah...probably that or gambling...

I had no idea that Garcia was so brainwashed on Vick...Ron Mexico is a poor to average QB who has no accountability and has no business being the highest paid player in the NFL. He can't stay out of trouble, and he isn't showing squat on the field.



He will be in here to call you a racist in a matter of moments.

[Garcia Bronco]

i dont care whether or not vick can play qb right now, but i do care about his actions with these animals.
gonzo is a piece of garbage and its about a 99% certainty that vick is too.

dude...we don't know all the facts yet, nor has an investigation been completed yet. There is no reason to assume that Vick is either complettely innocent or guilty.

[Garcia Bronco]

Garcia,

I'm not familiar with prisons....will you still be able to cock swallow the guy when he is locked up?

Nice. Grow up jackarse.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

dude...we don't know all the facts yet, nor has an investigation been completed yet. There is no reason to assume that Vick is either complettely innocent or guilty.There are plenty of reasons to believe he may be complicit in this including his stellar history as a model citizen, his constant exhibition of possessing an incredibly high level of intelligence and it is HIS house, with his family living in it.

[Garcia Bronco]

He will be in here to call you a racist in a matter of moments.

Nobody called you racist.

[NaptownChief]

There are plenty of reasons to believe he may be complicit in this including his stellar history as a model citizen, his constant exhibition of possessing an incredibly high level of intelligence and it is HIS house, with his family living in it.


You are speaking to a wall....Mexico could be in his 14th NFL season and Garcia will still be holding out hope for him to finally have a breakout year.

[NaptownChief]

Nobody called you racist.



not per se, but you tried to turn it into a race issue by saying "you have all but called him a ****er" when race wasn't even remotely an issue in the discussion.

[Beantown Bronco]

You are speaking to a wall....Mexico could be in his 14th NFL season and Garcia will still be holding out hope for him to finally have a breakout year.

Another 10 years of receivers dropping balls and running the wrong routes. What a tragedy...

[NaptownChief]

Another 10 years of receivers dropping balls and running the wrong routes. What a tragedy...



And 3 or 4 more really poor coaches that just don't know how to utilize his greatness.

[Garcia Bronco]

Another 10 years of receivers dropping balls and running the wrong routes. What a tragedy...

Do you actually watch Falcon games? No...you don't. Plus this year he had Lelie out there out running his arm. think about that for a moment. Get Vick great coaching like Mike Shanahan or Kubiak and you'd have a QB further along. Problem with Vick is he didn't get good QB coaching in college and even with that he left too soon. Do you realize that he entered the NFL at 20? And who have been his coaches in that time? Dan Reeves and Jim Mora Jr. To this point in his career he is average at the QB position, but from a QB perspective...he's never had the coaching he needs IMO.

[Garcia Bronco]

not per se, but you tried to turn it into a race issue by saying "you have all but called him a ****er" when race wasn't even remotely an issue in the discussion.

You knew/know exactly what I was talking about, because we have been round and round about this too many times to count...and really...every time this comes up the same people come out of the wood work.

[Bladerunner]

Do you actually watch Falcon games? No...you don't. Plus this year he had Lelie out there out running his arm. think about that for a moment. Get Vick great coaching like Mike Shanahan or Kubiak and you'd have a QB further along. Problem with Vick is he didn't get good QB coaching in college and even with that he left too soon. Do you realize that he entered the NFL at 20? And who have been his coaches in that time? Dan Reeves and Jim Mora Jr. To this point in his career he is average at the QB position, but from a QB perspective...he's never had the coaching he needs IMO.

I don't disagree with this...I don't think he has been coached all that well, and he has had some games where his receivers just totally let him down, but on the whole, his passing is really quite bad and while some of his play is justifiable for a young player under a rookie contract...it's not for the highest paid player in the league...it's not even close...

good on him for getting his duckets, but as an NFL QB, he's pretty bad...far be it from me, however, to tell the Falcons how to un-**** themselves

[Rascal]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2859561&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

ATLANTA -- More than a week after an alleged dog-fighting ring was uncovered on property owned by Michael Vick, the Atlanta Falcons still have little to say about their quarterback's potential legal problems.

General manager Rich McKay vowed to take a closer look after wrapping up last weekend's NFL draft, but he has declined to speak further on the case.


Through spokesman Reggie Roberts, McKay and the Falcons declined comment Thursday.


Police conducting a drug investigation raided a Vick-owned house in Smithfield, Va., and reported finding dozens of dogs, some injured and emaciated.


Investigators also discovered items associated with dog fighting, including veterinary supplies, blood-soaked carpeting, treadmills used for training and tools used to pry apart a dog's jaws.


Vick said he's never been to the home, even though he owns it and was letting a cousin live there. He blamed relatives for taking advantage of his generosity and vowed to keep closer tabs on his inner circle.


While Vick said he's not involved in dog fighting, a Web site shed light on his apparent interest in breeding through a business known as "Mike Vick K-9 Kennels."


The site, www.vicksk9kennels.com, said Vick specializes in breeding registered puppies ranging from rare pit bull terriers to "the highly intelligent and powerful Presa Canario." It also contains a disclaimer that any of its dogs were used for fighting.


"We breed specifically for ourselves first and foremost, and when/if we do sell puppies to the public, all prospective buyers are carefully screened," the Web site says. "We do not promote, support, or raise dogs for fighting and will not knowingly sell, give, or trade any dog that may be used for fighting.


"Our dogs are all family pets," the site adds, "and our puppies are all socialized and home raised."


The address for Vick's K-9 Kennel was listed as Moonlight Road in Suffolk, Va. The home that was raided last week is on Moonlight Road in nearby Smithfield. The listed phone number wasn't working.


For now, the Falcons seem willing to take Vick at his word. In the team's only public comments on the incident, McKay and coach Bobby Petrino both commended the quarterback for working hard in the offseason program.


"There's a lot of people around Michael, and things happen," McKay said last weekend during the draft. "We've got to get it to the point where those things are not happening."


The Falcons apparently want authorities to reveal more details on the investigation before they comment on Vick's possible involvement in the sordid case. Dog fighting in a felony in Virginia and 47 other states, according to The Humane Society of the United States.


Commonwealth's attorney Gerald Poindexter did not return two messages seeking comment Thursday. Surry County Sheriff Harold Brown was out of the office and a dispatcher said there was no one else who could talk about the case.


The NFL, which has cracked down on wayward players since Roger Goodell took over as commissioner, also was investigating the dog-fighting case. In fact, Vick was summoned to a meeting with Goodell last Saturday while in New York for the draft.


Vick has been involved in several embarrassing episodes in recent months.


He was fined for flashing an obscene gesture to heckling Atlanta fans after a game, was stopped by airport security officers in Miami carrying a suspicious water bottle and failed to show for a scheduled appearance on Capital Hill to lobby for more after-school funding.

[ol number 7]

not per se, but you tried to turn it into a race issue by saying "you have all but called him a ****er" when race wasn't even remotely an issue in the discussion.

Red eyed BOOT LIP is the word your looking for. Just trying to help. At least now that piece of DOG crap brotha Marcus is out of the NFL he can be a poop scoop for the kennel.:strong:

[BigBad]

For some reason, I have a gut feeling that nothing will happen to Vick over this. I hope I'm wrong


Uhh you were wrong!

[TheDave]

So where did Rascal run off to? Or did he eat the bad peanut butter also?

[Paladin]

So where did Rascal run off to? Or did he eat the bad peanut butter also?

Not cute. Even remotely....

[TDmvp]

just posting to put my sig photo in vick threads .... carry on ...

[TheDave]

Not cute. Even remotely....

People are to sensitive these days...

[sixtimeseight]

Nothing less than the death penalty is what he deserves.