The (trade) that never happened but could of.

[watermock]

Dallas traded its first-round (No. 22) pick to Cleveland for the Browns' second-round pick (No. 36) and 2008 first-round pick. Cleveland selected Brady Quinn, qb, Notre Dame. Dallas traded No. 36 to Philadelphia.

4, Philadelphia traded its first-round (No. 26) to Dallas for the Cowboys' second- (No. 36); third- (No. 87) and fifth-round (No. 159) picks. Dallas selected Anthony Spencer, lb, Purdue. Philadelphia selected Kevin Kolb, qb, Houston; Stewart Bradley, lb, Nebraska and (No. 159).

So Dallas moved down 4 spots and picked up Cleveland's 08 pick for a third and fifth. Not to mention it will likely be a high pick.

[Broncoman13]

Mock, you make a very good point and a lot of people are going to agree... but how do know that when it was pick 17 at the time? Sure, in hind sight we could have probably made a killing. But, what if the Browns traded with somebody else and Moss was drafted before our turn? We had 3 guys on our radar. Harrell, Moss, and Timmons. We wanted to move up for Willis or Okoye. If we stood on 21 we would go after Moss, Harrell, or Timmons. Shanny didn't want to get stiffed on all of his top prospects so he made the move. I personally think we gave up a bit much. But, I'd much rather be upset about giving up a bit much and getting the player we wanted than sitting in Chef fans shoes knowing that I could have had Brady Quinn if I moved up 2 spots!!!

[watermock]

I'm not a trade down guy, and you run that risk, but Cleveland's second for 5 picks would of been sponge worthy.
I'll get over it. I was screaming for it before we took Moss. He's a star, I eat sawdust.

The fact is Dallas got a first round pick likely high for virtually nothing more than a drop in 4 spots.

[watermock]

I was completely amazed Quinn wasn't taken by KC

King Karl rules!

Who did they take? I don't see any braggarts here tonight.

I fell asleep grumbling and cursing.

[watermock]

I'm not mad about taking Moss, I'm mad about not raping Cleveland but it's a new day. True, Moss might of been gone at 21 but I think that is 50/50.

Griffin was still there at that point. And we would have our third and fifth.

[telluride]

Friggin' Dallas is going to have the #3 pick next year. And Denver coulda had it.

[boltaneer]

KC took WR Bowe. IMO, even if KC tried to trade up one spot, Dallas probably would have taken the Cleveland deal since they had to give up more to move up that far.

Who knows if KC really wanted Quinn. I believe Peterson said something about KC drafting him if he fell that far but that could have been a total smokescreen.

But the bottom line is that if Cleveland was afraid that any other team was going to take Quinn, they would have traded sooner or they might not have traded at all since they would have to pay an even higher price to move up an extra five or more spots. When Quinn fell past Jacksonville, they were only afraid of KC. And Dallas held the magical spot to make that deal.

I don't understand the frustration about this. Dallas was the only team that was able to benefit from this situation because they happened to pick right before KC and they made out like bandits today. You're not going to trade up higher than you feel that you need to. Denver or any other team before them was just not in the right place at the right time.

[watermock]

telluride gets it.

[watermock]

KC took WR Bowe. IMO, even if KC tried to trade up one spot, Dallas probably would have taken the Cleveland deal since they had to give up more to move up that far.

Who knows if KC really wanted Quinn. I believe Peterson said something about KC drafting him if he fell that far but that could have been a total smokescreen.

But the bottom line is that if Cleveland was afraid that any other team was going to take Quinn, they would have traded sooner or they might not have traded at all since they would have to pay an even higher price to move up an extra five or more spots. When Quinn fell past Jacksonville, they were only afraid of KC. And Dallas held the magical spot to make that deal.

I don't understand the frustration about this. Dallas was the only team that was able to benefit from this situation because they happened to pick right before KC and they made out like bandits today. You're not going to trade up higher than you feel that you need to. Denver or any other team before them was just not in the right place at the right time.

Baloney, our pick at 21 was worth a bit more arctually. You think because we picked one above them at 22 that we couldn't of made those deals?

[maven]

Friggin' Dallas is going to have the #3 pick next year. And Denver coulda had it.

Yes, that really sucks. That Cleveland pick at worst is top 10. They don't have crap. Especially the division they play in and playing in the AFC. Cleveland will suck for atleast another season. Great trade by Dallas.

[Blueflame]

I was completely amazed Quinn wasn't taken by KC

King Karl rules!

Who did they take? I don't see any braggarts here tonight.

I fell asleep grumbling and cursing.

Five minutes after the Chefs picked Bowe, a Chefs braggart issued a "call-out" of Champ, suggesting that he'll be burned by their new rookie WR... ::) ::) ::)

Ah, well... even if they have very little game, the Chefs trolls bring a modicum of entertainment. It's just not too sporting to make fun of them....

[maven]

KC took WR Bowe. IMO, even if KC tried to trade up one spot, Dallas probably would have taken the Cleveland deal since they had to give up more to move up that far.

Who knows if KC really wanted Quinn. I believe Peterson said something about KC drafting him if he fell that far but that could have been a total smokescreen.

But the bottom line is that if Cleveland was afraid that any other team was going to take Quinn, they would have traded sooner or they might not have traded at all since they would have to pay an even higher price to move up an extra five or more spots. When Quinn fell past Jacksonville, they were only afraid of KC. And Dallas held the magical spot to make that deal.

I don't understand the frustration about this. Dallas was the only team that was able to benefit from this situation because they happened to pick right before KC and they made out like bandits today. You're not going to trade up higher than you feel that you need to. Denver or any other team before them was just not in the right place at the right time.

The alleged pick was a 3rd and Cleveland's 1st next year. Should have pulled the trigger Shanny. Should have pulled the trigger.

[maven]

Five minutes after the Chefs picked Bowe, a Chefs braggart issued a "call-out" of Champ, suggesting that he'll be burned by their new rookie WR... ::) ::) ::)

Ah, well... even if they have very little game, the Chefs trolls bring a modicum of entertainment. It's just not too sporting to make fun of them....

Imagine if the Chiefs selected Quinn.

[boltaneer]

Baloney, our pick at 21 was worth a bit more arctually. You think because we picked one above them at 22 that we couldn't of made those deals?

I think Cleveland wouldn't want to trade to 21 when they could trade to 22 for a little less (which equates to about a fourth round pick) but you don't trade up higher than you feel that you need to. The only reason I could see Cleveland wanting to trade to 21 is if the team at 21 was interested to trade down for whatever reason and gave them a better deal.

It's easy to criticize in hindsight but how was Denver to know that Cleveland would want to trade up? It's a big risk to make that assumption and then probably missing out on your guy. The most important thing is to do what you need to to get your guy. I think Denver did what it felt they had to in order to get Moss.

Whether or not Moss was the right pick is another arguement. ;)

[Blueflame]

Imagine if the Chiefs selected Quinn.

Y'know, it really doesn't matter who the Chefs draft. In the offseason, the Chefs trolls will tout any of their players... no matter how mediocre they really are...as if they're among the league's elite at their position. It's amusing....

[watermock]

The GM said they went down the line talking

[boltaneer]

The alleged pick was a 3rd and Cleveland's 1st next year. Should have pulled the trigger Shanny. Should have pulled the trigger.

I'm not understanding this... Are you saying that Cleveland did make an offer to Denver for the 17?

If that's the case, I wouldn't blame Denver for turning that down at all. That's less than what the Cowboys ended up getting for moving up five more spots.

[maven]

Y'know, it really doesn't matter who the Chefs draft. In the offseason, the Chefs trolls will tout any of their players... no matter how mediocre they really are...as if they're among the league's elite at their position. It's amusing....

Chiefs fans would be ALL OVER this board if they selected Brady Quinn. Bowe, while a good player, doesn't have the cache l]or internet smack Quinn would've provided. Quinn, if selected by the Chiefs, would have bombarded this board beyond comprehension. The garbage would've been obnoxious. Bowe doesn't bring it, whether he's good or not.

[Blueflame]

Chiefs fans would be ALL OVER this board if they selected Brady Quinn. Bowe, while a good player, doesn't have the cache l]or internet smack Quinn would've provided. Quinn, if selected by the Chiefs, would have bombarded this board beyond comprehension. The garbage would've been obnoxious. Bowe doesn't bring it, whether he's good or not.

The smack would probably have been ramped up a few levels had they gotten Quinn.... but if they can fantasize that a rookie WR will genuinely intimidate a perennial Pro Bowl CB, then reality doesn't enter into their equation... :P

[Tredici]

There was talk Jacksonville could've had an interest in Quinn. I doubt going down the line talking even started until Jax switched with Denver. That answered the question so the next team was Kansas City.

Get over it. I sincerely doubt Shanny was offered any deal by Cleveland. The flurry started after Denver moved up.

Just the other day we are all applauding the "Denver Gets It" article. They moved up to get the player they wanted. Right or wrong they aren't afraid to make the moves necessary to do so.

Pretty ironic for Quinn though. He waits all day and still goes to the crappiest team...

[JCMElway]

The whining on this board needs to stop. Seriously. When pick 17 came up Cleveland was not yet on the phone with trade offers. They probably needed Quinn to fall into the 20s before they moved on it.

Meanwhile, Shanny saw the last of his targets about to be snapped up by Cincy, Tennesee, or a trade up by the Pats. Shanny made up his mind to get the last guy they had targeted in the first round. That's outstanding.

We had a very solid first day where we picked up two DEs (pass rush possibilities, finally!) and Harris to start at RT in 08. We are the most spoiled fan base maybe besides the Pats. STOP YER BITCHIN'!

[rbackfactory80]

I could give a **** about next year. Yeah lets keep trading our firsts back and back and never use them. That would make most of you happy. Some people actually get sick of seeing a team that is almost there every year going 10-6,9-7 missing only a couple of players.

[Meck77]

On the local news shanny's interview made it real clear on the Broncos strategy for round 1. They had 3 players targeted in the first round. The first two went away and Shanny said he wasn't going to risk missing his 3rd target.

Love it, hate it, or willing to wait a few years for the results that is the deal.

I just hope our draft pics are on the team a few years from now and aren't laying tile Iowa.

[Clockwork Orange]

I think Cleveland wouldn't want to trade to 21 when they could trade to 22 for a little less (which equates to about a fourth round pick) but you don't trade up higher than you feel that you need to. The only reason I could see Cleveland wanting to trade to 21 is if the team at 21 was interested to trade down for whatever reason and gave them a better deal.

It's easy to criticize in hindsight but how was Denver to know that Cleveland would want to trade up? It's a big risk to make that assumption and then probably missing out on your guy. The most important thing is to do what you need to to get your guy. I think Denver did what it felt they had to in order to get Moss.

Thank you. People just pretend that the Browns waiting until the last possible pick to make the deal was some kind of coincidence.

If the Broncos sit there at 21 and don't get offered a trade down from Cleveland, people like mock the moron would be criticizing them for not taking a deal that they were never offered......kind of like he's doing right now.

The fact that the Titans reached hard for Michael Griffin at 19 makes me wonder if Jarvis Moss was their target, which then prompted the Broncos to jump up to 17 to secure him.

[Nemesis]

If I remember correctly Shanahan was burned a few times when he waited and the team ahead of him took the player he wanted, or another team jump ahead and took that player.

[Mr. Trout]

Dallas traded its first-round (No. 22) pick to Cleveland for the Browns' second-round pick (No. 36) and 2008 first-round pick. Cleveland selected Brady Quinn, qb, Notre Dame. Dallas traded No. 36 to Philadelphia.

4, Philadelphia traded its first-round (No. 26) to Dallas for the Cowboys' second- (No. 36); third- (No. 87) and fifth-round (No. 159) picks. Dallas selected Anthony Spencer, lb, Purdue. Philadelphia selected Kevin Kolb, qb, Houston; Stewart Bradley, lb, Nebraska and (No. 159).

So Dallas moved down 4 spots and picked up Cleveland's 08 pick for a third and fifth. Not to mention it will likely be a high pick.

dammit this would have been a good rape job...Shanny the mastermind missed out.

[U4EA]

Baloney, our pick at 21 was worth a bit more arctually. You think because we picked one above them at 22 that we couldn't of made those deals?

Watermock, it's couldn't have, not couldn't of. Use this period between the draft and minicamps to pick up a little English, Buddy.

[theAPAOps5]

Stupidest thread this offseason. You don't draft a guy thinking you can trade him. That logic ****s your draft up. So we draft the guy and then say hey Cleveland we drafted Quinn knowing you want him lets deal and they say eh no thanks. What do you do then? Its not rocket science unless a team contacts you to work a deal you draft what you need.