View Full Version : Could Dummerville play or be moved to LB?
broncosteven
04-28-2007, 11:18 PM
I was thinking as I drove back from Downtown to watch a pathetic display of baseball by Chicago white sox that with all these DE picks could Elvis be moved to OLB?
He has the speed. & could rush from the edge in pass rush situations.
Not sure about his coverage skills. Just another thought to get him on field more.
What do you guys think?
I promise I didn't go over my 2 beer limit or smoke anything...
Barry Ramey
04-28-2007, 11:22 PM
Nope, I don't think he'd make a very good LB at all. He's best at rushing the QB, not dropping into coverage. I think you waste him playing away from the line of scrimmage.
No. Stiff hips, poor ball skills, he's a career DE. DEs rotate though. We now have three young, talented pass rushers. We should come away with some guys capable of getting to the QB.
Odysseus
04-28-2007, 11:45 PM
I think there are some intriguing possibilities with Elvis but they all involve him rushing the passer.
footstepsfrom#27
04-28-2007, 11:59 PM
I posed this question several months ago in here and most people shot it down. I think he could be a run stuffing MLB with minimal coverage duties who would be a terror on the blitz. I'd at least like to see it tried...Dallas had success with Greg Ellis who is 7 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier playing the OLB spot. It's not like there's a proven guy in there now and even DJ has to learn a new spot if he takes over there.
shakenbake
04-29-2007, 12:03 AM
No
Dudeskey
04-29-2007, 12:05 AM
I like Drek's take... speed rushers can get worn out & we have a nice little stockpile to rotate now.
SonOfLe-loLang
04-29-2007, 12:09 AM
He's a DE...plain and simple. He'd be a terrible MLB...its not even an argument
maven
04-29-2007, 12:15 AM
No. he's not a LB and never will be. He's an end, and glad to see the experiment at tackle is over.
Barry Ramey
04-29-2007, 12:19 AM
Under Shanahan, they have always rotated their DL and I don't see that changing this year. If the Broncos were employing a 3-4, then Dumervil at LB might have a chance of working some, but not in a 4-3 defense. He was his best in college going after the QB, not chasing RB's and TE's in coverage, much less making line calls and making sure guys are lined up properly. Let's put it this way. Making Dumervil a LB is a good way to send him out of Denver. No chance, no how of them doing it, much less it working either.
footstepsfrom#27
04-29-2007, 12:19 AM
He's a DE...plain and simple. He'd be a terrible MLB...its not even an argument
How do we know unless we test it out? Karl Mecklenburg couldn't cover downfield either but he had a pretty nice career. We pulled Wilson on 3rd down anyway.
footstepsfrom#27
04-29-2007, 12:22 AM
Under Shanahan, they have always rotated their DL and I don't see that changing this year. If the Broncos were employing a 3-4, then Dumervil at LB might have a chance of working some, but not in a 4-3 defense. He was his best in college going after the QB, not chasing RB's and TE's in coverage, much less making line calls and making sure guys are lined up properly. Let's put it this way. Making Dumervil a LB is a good way to send him out of Denver. No chance, no how of them doing it, much less it working either.
Dude was the Outland winner and set records for sacks...he's a football player...it couldn't hurt to give it a shot. Nobody thought Greg Ellis could do it either and he's a lot less likely looking LB than Elvis.
SonOfLe-loLang
04-29-2007, 12:25 AM
How do we know unless we test it out? Karl Mecklenburg couldn't cover downfield either but he had a pretty nice career. We pulled Wilson on 3rd down anyway.
I don't really know how to explain it other than to say...he's just not. It's like...why not put Javon Kearse at MLB...or Jason Taylor. They aren't MLBs. Look at Dumervil...he's not even shaped like one. Doesn't have the lateral movement...he's a pass rusher. He's been a DE his entire life.
cutthemdown
04-29-2007, 12:29 AM
Actually Jarvis Moss would have a better shot at playing outside linebacker. Maybe Denver will try that a little but I think Dumerville and Moss will both be used as pass rushers.
Barry Ramey
04-29-2007, 12:31 AM
Ellis was put at OLB in a 3-4 defense where he primarily rushes the passer, so not much different than a DE's job in a 4-3. Dumervil at any LB spot in a 4-3 makes no sense at all and is nothing like what he's been doing in college or the pros. I just don't understand the thinking why a guy who led college in sacks, would be better suited to play a LB spot in a 4-3 defense where LB's in such a scheme don't blitz much as compared to LB's in a 3-4.
Mecklenburg was also playing in a 3-4 defense at the time the Broncos used. So again, that's not a good comparison either.
Rock Chalk
04-29-2007, 12:32 AM
How do we know unless we test it out? Karl Mecklenburg couldn't cover downfield either but he had a pretty nice career. We pulled Wilson on 3rd down anyway.
No, we pulled DJ on 3rd down. Wilson was one of the best cover LBs in the game.
maven
04-29-2007, 12:34 AM
Elvis at LB is beyond stupid. /thread
SonOfLe-loLang
04-29-2007, 12:36 AM
Actually Jarvis Moss would have a better shot at playing outside linebacker. Maybe Denver will try that a little but I think Dumerville and Moss will both be used as pass rushers.
No, Moss will play end. Think Jason Taylor. We don't play a 3-4, those big pass rushing linebackers only work in that D...think Simon Fletcher if you need a broncos ref.
U GOT JACKED UP
04-29-2007, 12:37 AM
We need to trade some of the other scrub DE's on the team and try to get a 4th round pick. We still have a big hole at DT. What are we gonna do there if we don't draft anyone?
Barry Ramey
04-29-2007, 12:45 AM
We need to trade some of the other scrub DE's on the team and try to get a 4th round pick. We still have a big hole at DT. What are we gonna do there if we don't draft anyone?
You expect a 4th round DT to start or play a lot next season? Obviously the Broncos don't. I am betting they will sign or get a veteran DT someway before next season and wait until next years draft to take a DT, which will be way deeper than this class anyway. I'd rather if had a 4th rounder, go with a WR or safety anyway.
footstepsfrom#27
04-29-2007, 01:14 AM
The point is we don't have even a decent MLB right now...so what difference would it make to find out if Elvis could do it? If he can't...we move him back. It's not like we've got anything there other than a large hole anyway...
maven
04-29-2007, 01:17 AM
The point is we don't have even a decent MLB right now...so what difference would it make to find out if Elvis could do it? ...
ugh!~
Willynowei
04-29-2007, 01:28 AM
I posed this question several months ago in here and most people shot it down. I think he could be a run stuffing MLB with minimal coverage duties who would be a terror on the blitz. I'd at least like to see it tried...Dallas had success with Greg Ellis who is 7 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier playing the OLB spot. It's not like there's a proven guy in there now and even DJ has to learn a new spot if he takes over there.
Hard to blitz the mike in a 4-3 with two gap stuffers, why? b/c tackles too slow to run twists and stunts in tandem w/ the linebacker.
SonOfLe-loLang
04-29-2007, 02:48 AM
The point is we don't have even a decent MLB right now...so what difference would it make to find out if Elvis could do it? If he can't...we move him back. It's not like we've got anything there other than a large hole anyway...
OK, why not try Gerard Warren and Patrick Ramsey there too! DJ is playing the middle now apparently anyway