Patriots were going to take Moss

[Kaylore]

Earlier this afternoon I got off the phone with a pretty good source. He said that the Patriots were going to go with Moss for their pick and that was the main reason we leap-frogged them. Thought you'd like to know. :thumbs:

[WABronco]

The Pats? You mean Tennessee?

[U GOT JACKED UP]

Pats drafted behind us. Had to be the titans

[Kaylore]

Pats drafted behind us. Had to be the titans

He said Patriots, but you're right, they were behind us. Maybe he just wanted to tell me they liked him too.

[footstepsfrom#27]

How would we know this?

[GonzoLays]

The Pats? You mean Tennessee?

HAHAHAHAHAHA, what a freaking source!!!

Yes, Kaylore, a message board poster from UTAH has his very own "inside source." I'm rolling....

And the ill is, the "inside source" got the team we supposedly leaped frogged....WRONG! I'm lovin' it... Inside source, huh?

[JCMElway]

If this info is true, and I suspect it is, then Denver had a great day. Moss was their guy in the middle part of the first round and they did what they had to do to go up and get him. Add another solid DE and an OT to groom to start at RT for a very nice day one.

It's not as sexy as we had hoped for, but with no 4th or 5th we just didn't have the ammo to make a big move. All in all, well done.

[Wes Mantooth]

pats would have traded up retards

[cmhargrove]

Watching film, Moss is one of the fastest edge rushers available. He really can fly. Maybe he puts on about 20 lbs, then would be more of a KGB type.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

He obviously is going to attempt to be Jason Taylor for us. I think Denver expects to be winning lots of games late next year and, like last year, will often be in Nickel. If this works out to be true, then Moss will be a good asset as we know he can, at least, get to the QB. With him and Dumervil (and for the life of me i can't understand why people don't spell his name right on this board) it'll be a nice tandem as nickel rushers

[MileHighMagic]

pats would have traded up retards

Hahaha! Y'all are crackin me up.

[2KBack]

If this is true, It makes me feel a little better. I personally think that NE are among the best at talent evaluation.

[GoHAM]

Earlier this afternoon I got off the phone with a pretty good source. He said that the Patriots were going to go with Moss for their pick and that was the main reason we leap-frogged them. Thought you'd like to know. :thumbs:

Sooo, let me get this one straight, If we hadn't of traded up from 21 to 17 the Pats would have stolen Moss right out from under us at the #24 pick?


Damn, we sure dodged that bullet!!!

[telluride]

Moss is one toke away from suspension. And to judge from his pre-draft interviews, he'll be taking that toke.

[ScottXray]

Sooo, let me get this one straight, If we hadn't of traded up from 21 to 17 the Pats would have stolen Moss right out from under us at the #24 pick?


Damn, we sure dodged that bullet!!!

Okay..so say Pats called J-ville and inquired about trading up to J-villes spot and also tell them they're after Moss....Then Jville calls Mike and does him the favor of clueing him in ...Pats want Moss and have offered 3rd and 6th to swap.... So Shanny offers 3rd and sixth of higher value. We get OUR man and save the day...Thanks J-ville!

If this is true then either:

1. BB just F##Ked Shanny over and pulled this stuff just to do that! No team is gonna trade AND tell another team that they want a certain player when the clock is running! They make the trade and take the player. The only way this happens is if BB is just getting over on Shanny for taking Steroid boy away. These two don't like each other.

2. J-ville worked Shanny over, knowing that NE and BB were the only teams liable to want Moss ....maybe NE did make an offer.... But no way did they say it was for Moss . So J -ville worked them off against each other and drove the price up. Shanny did what he had to to secure Moss..the player we still had left of the three we wanted.

3. J-ville has now made Shannys sh#t list!:strong:

[Kaylore]

Moss is one toke away from suspension. And to judge from his pre-draft interviews, he'll be taking that toke.

You're so full of garbage. None of what you posted is true.

[telluride]

You're so full of garbage. None of what you posted is true.


He was suspended in college for ganja. And anyone who heard his Sirius interview could tell that that lifestyle remains a problem for JM.

Also, the team that reportedly was interested enough in JM to force us to blow two picks to move above them was the Bengals. But here's the rub: given their problems with bad characters, they never could have taken him. We could have taken him at 21, if we needed to.

Maybe Shanny can put him on the straight and narrow. I hope so. But the notion that a pot-loving undersized Gator will, after landing multi-millions in the draft, suddenly dedicate himself to the weight room and film study is, well, garbage.

Sorry.

[Blueflame]

You're so full of garbage. None of what you posted is true.

Um... wouldn't he already have to be enrolled in the league's substance abuse program for a suspension to be within the realm of possibility?

[telluride]

Hyperbolic. I meant that it's been a problem for him, and will likely remain a problem.

[Kaylore]

He was suspended in college for ganja. And anyone who heard his Sirius interview could tell that that lifestyle remains a problem for JM.

Also, the team that reportedly was interested enough in JM to force us to blow two picks to move above them was the Bengals. But here's the rub: given their problems with bad characters, they never could have taken him. We could have taken him at 21, if we needed to.

Maybe Shanny can put him on the straight and narrow. I hope so. But the notion that a pot-loving undersized Seminole will, after landing multi-millions in the draft, suddenly dedicate himself to the weight room and film study is, well, garbage.

Sorry.
He isn't one toke from suspension. They didn't change the substance abuse policy. If he tests, he becomes subject to random testing. If he tests for it again, he is suspended four games. That is not "one toke."

I heard his interview and the only thing he said about the weed is the suspension made him stop. Not sure where you got "you can tell he smokes it a lot" from. And man, we should be worried about college kids smoking weed huh? All those other players who admitted to smoking it must suck now too. Gaines Adams, Calvin Johnson, all horrible players one toke from suspension.

You just don't like the pick because Shanahan made it and you hate Shanahan. He could have traded a sixth round pick for Calvin Johnson and you'd be pissing and moaning we wasted our pick on "another offensive player."

[telluride]

I don't hate Shanny. I'm a broncs fan and you can't hate Shanny and still be that. (And if Shanny had managed to land CJ, I'd annoint him for sainthood.)

Here's the deal. Moss is a pothead. That Sirius interview made it clear that he surrounds himself with other potheads, and is not a serious person. (Afterward, the hosts commented that Moss just destroyed any first-round potential he had.) Potheads tend to underachieve, and not work hard. Moss needs to work hard and overachieve to justify what Shanny gave up to get him.

He ain't gonna do it. Sorry.

[2KBack]

a pot-loving undersized Seminole.

You're obviously an expert on the guy

[telluride]

You're obviously an expert on the guy


True that. I meant gator. But it is 12:30, and its been a long day.

[2KBack]

True that. I meant gator. But it is 12:30, and its been a long day.

just giving you a hard time. I don't know enough about the guy to argue, but I know I want him to succeed.

[maven]

Earlier this afternoon I got off the phone with a pretty good source. He said that the Patriots were going to go with Moss for their pick and that was the main reason we leap-frogged them. Thought you'd like to know. :thumbs:

Your source sucked with stupidity.

[Kaylore]

He ain't gonna do it. Sorry.

You're wrong. Not sorry.

[telluride]

I'd be pleased to be wrong. Maybe I am. But here are some other reactions to Moss's Sirius debacle, none of which bodes wells:

On Jarvis Moss, this guy is dropping for a reason, after hearing him on Sirius Tuesday I know why. He's about as dumb as a rock, or at least that was the perception everyone got on his interview Tuesday. The interview was so bad that they cut him loose early and proceeded to make jokes about him after the fact. I've never heard them do that to a prospect on Sirius NFL Radio before.

Heard on Sirius yesterday the guy did 15 reps of 225lbs, thats terrible for a DE or OLB (whatever he is). He would be manhandled by OL in the NFL. Sounds like Alonzo Jackson all over again, speed rusher who doesnt have enuf speed to have an impact in the NFL. Brady Quinn did 25 reps they said. Oh yeah, he come from the "U", enuf said.

This from Pat Kirwan:
3. Which player is likely to disappoint after his rookie season?
No one can predict where the bust label should be put and in fact, it's a bad idea to think anyone can figure it out. Quarterbacks always stand the chance of being labeled, especially if they go to bad teams and have to play too early.

When I posed this question to two personnel, they both thought the highest risk in the first round is with the pass rushers, especially Jamaal Anderson and Jarvis Moss. They are two very talented young players, but considering what happened to Mario Williams his rookie season, there are issues that scare some teams.

Williams came out of college as a 6-foot-6, 295-pound specimen who had 26½ sacks in college and 35 reps on the bench press test. He finished up his rookie season with 4½ sacks. Mathias Kiwanuka had 37½ sacks at Boston College, but only got to the QB four times as a rookie. Kameron Wimbley had excellent numbers as a rookie, but he was moved to outside linebacker and the scheme helped him. If Anderson and Moss have to play with their hands on the ground, then there might be some concern.

Both players left school early, have under 20 college starts and neither one is much more than a one dimensional pass rusher at this point. Neither has demonstrated the power and strength to hold up on the line of scrimmage. Moss only had 16 reps on the bench (eight less than Quinn) and Anderson's 22 reps isn't much better. Neither player comes to pro football with 20 career sacks in college. Moss has 15 and Anderson 17½, which probably translates to very pedestrian numbers as rookies. I would never call any player a 'bust' before he gets his chance to perform. But there are clear cut concerns about the pass rushers in this draft.


The Moss pick has disappointment written all over it. Factor in what we gave up in the trade, and it could be a disaster.

[boltaneer]

I heard his interview and the only thing he said about the weed is the suspension made him stop. Not sure where you got "you can tell he smokes it a lot" from. And man, we should be worried about college kids smoking weed huh? All those other players who admitted to smoking it must suck now too. Gaines Adams, Calvin Johnson, all horrible players one toke from suspension.

I'm not sure if he was referencing the interview you are talking about or a different one. The one I heard with Moss was just unbelievable.

Moss was being interviewed on Sirius with his posse over at his place and they were completely rowdy, loud and disruptive to the interview. Moss was paying more attention to his friends than he was to the talk show hosts (Pat Kirwan and Tim Ryan). The interview didn't go past a minute as they eventually got sick of it and basically told Moss to go take a hike. This is pure speculation on my part, but I think Moss and his crew were high as a kite at the time. If not, the guy is a complete jackass for behaving the way he did.

He was a productive player in college but with his attitude, all this talk of weed and his strength issues, I'd be a little concerned with these red flags.

[telluride]

I'm not sure if he was referencing the interview you are talking about or a different one. The one I heard with Moss was just unbelievable.

Moss was being interviewed on Sirius with his posse over at his place and they were completely rowdy, loud and disruptive to the interview. Moss was paying more attention to his friends than he was to the talk show hosts (Pat Kirwan and Tim Ryan). The interview didn't go past a minute as they eventually got sick of it and basically told Moss to go take a hike. This is pure speculation on my part, but I think Moss and his crew were high as a kite at the time. If not, the guy is a complete jackass for behaving the way he did.

He was a productive player in college but with his attitude, all this talk of weed and his strength issues, I'd be a little concerned with these red flags.

That's indeed the interview I heard, bolt. And I posted immediately afterward that we should steer clear of this guy at all costs. To take him -- and burn two draft picks to do it -- is incredibly disheartening. He's a major mistake for Shanny, and this organization.

[p7superfly]

We should have stayed at 21. We got played for the ammo that could have helped land us Jenkins.

I don't mind the Moss pick - and don't mind if he's smoked weed before (most of our generation -17-26ish or older has at one point) ...

I just hate that we gave up picks, that if packaged together, and a sweetener, could have gotten us a relatively inexpensive, potential pro-bowler at one of our biggest positions of need.

We got played. It was a very mediocre draft if we can't line up some more talent in our front seven, somehow.

[penguintheory]

Waaaaaahhhhh

[BroncoBuff]

I'm with p7 and telluride.

The Crowder pick was even worse ... see my poll in the main room re: Crowder vs. Jenkins.

[Rohirrim]

Yeah, I'm with on this one, Buff. I doubt that either Moss or Crowder will beat out Dumervil, and I don't expect either of them to be on the team three years from now. Harris was on the bottom of the list of OTs in this draft. Maybe he'll make a nice guard, but Yanda, whom Baltimore got with our second third at that spot, would have been a better pick.

[BroncoInferno]

What a bunch of whining bitches. We address the DL with two solid choices, period. Anyone who cannot see that quite simply does not know what the fck they are talking about. The back-tracking after these guys become solid players (or better) for us will be hilarious.

[crazyhorse]

Earlier this afternoon I got off the phone with a pretty good source. He said that the Patriots were going to go with Moss for their pick and that was the main reason we leap-frogged them. Thought you'd like to know. :thumbs:

Your source is as accurate as your camp reports.

Good to know your workin' the phones.Hilarious!

[crazyhorse]

What a bunch of whining b****es. We address the DL with two solid choices, period. Anyone who cannot see that quite simply does not know what the fck they are talking about. The back-tracking after these guys become solid players (or better) for us will be hilarious.


Corrct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it more like 4 choices? Draft choices I mean.

[Atlas]

He isn't one toke from suspension. They didn't change the substance abuse policy. If he tests, he becomes subject to random testing. If he tests for it again, he is suspended four games. That is not "one toke."

I heard his interview and the only thing he said about the weed is the suspension made him stop. Not sure where you got "you can tell he smokes it a lot" from. And man, we should be worried about college kids smoking weed huh? All those other players who admitted to smoking it must suck now too. Gaines Adams, Calvin Johnson, all horrible players one toke from suspension.

You just don't like the pick because Shanahan made it and you hate Shanahan. He could have traded a sixth round pick for Calvin Johnson and you'd be pissing and moaning we wasted our pick on "another offensive player."

The Post or the RMN has a really good story on him today. He is a good kid. He isn't gonna do drugs anymore I'd bet Crazywhore's life on it.

[Atlas]

What a bunch of whining b****es. We address the DL with two solid choices, period. Anyone who cannot see that quite simply does not know what the fck they are talking about. The back-tracking after these guys become solid players (or better) for us will be hilarious.

I agree. People around here are whining because draft day was a let downand they weren't entertained enough.

[crazyhorse]

The Post or the RMN has a really good story on him today. He is a good kid. He isn't gonna do drugs anymore I'd bet Crazywhore's life on it.


Uh oh.

[watermock]

Wrong, the clown runs with a posse and was disrepectuful in a predraft interview. This was a mistake.

[SPORTSWRITER]

Look, when we're dealing with other Broncos fans why do we have to call each other stupid, da's, ah's, etc., etc., etc.?? Everybody makes mistakes, and some react w/o a lot of thought, and Geez.... I'm a rowdy, angry person sometimes, but I try not to take it out on other Broncos fans!! I love to argue and get after other teams' fans who are insulting, but it doesn't seem right to do the same with "friends."

I don't expect CHURCH here; I'm not even religious; but some of those personal attacks here are really rude and discourteous to say the least! As the song goes, "Why can't we be friends"? At least let's not be insulting and personally degrading when responding to errors by well-intended posters. I would like to let my children read and post here, but I can't expose them to vulgarity and insults should they post something in error or via normal, spontaneous child-like enthusiasm, even though it may be somewhat inaccurate!

Does anyone who posts here agree with me?

[watermock]

I rarely lose my temper, but it's happened. A dog can only be kicked so many times before he bites.

[watermock]

BTW, as far as Moss running with a Posse on Sirius being disrespectful to the interviewer, that wasn't me reporting it. Evidently Moss was acting out.

I'm not pleased with the move with Quinn on the board to trade and I stand by that. Worst case scenario we wind up with two franchise QB's but it was a draft and trade, and I said so.

I didn't like this draft.There won't be anything to like or dislike today.

[broncobum6162]

We should have stayed at 21. We got played for the ammo that could have helped land us Jenkins.

I don't mind the Moss pick - and don't mind if he's smoked weed before (most of our generation -17-26ish or older has at one point) ...

I just hate that we gave up picks, that if packaged together, and a sweetener, could have gotten us a relatively inexpensive, potential pro-bowler at one of our biggest positions of need.

We got played. It was a very mediocre draft if we can't line up some more talent in our front seven, somehow.

Does anyone have any info on how the draft points played out? It seems to me like we lost big time on the point differential but I don't have that info.
What worries me more than the weed issue is that we traded up for a guy that has had some serious injury issues since high school.

[RMT]

Look, when we're dealing with other Broncos fans why do we have to call each other stupid, da's, ah's, etc., etc., etc.?? Everybody makes mistakes, and some react w/o a lot of thought, and Geez.... I'm a rowdy, angry person sometimes, but I try not to take it out on other Broncos fans!! I love to argue and get after other teams' fans who are insulting, but it doesn't seem right to do the same with "friends."

I don't expect CHURCH here; I'm not even religious; but some of those personal attacks here are really rude and discourteous to say the least! As the song goes, "Why can't we be friends"? At least let's not be insulting and personally degrading when responding to errors by well-intended posters. I would like to let my children read and post here, but I can't expose them to vulgarity and insults should they post something in error or via normal, spontaneous child-like enthusiasm, even though it may be somewhat inaccurate!

Does anyone who posts here agree with me?

I agree - it happens because some people don't like opposing opinions, especially when those opinions conflict with what the Broncos are doing with personnel moves. I guess some people like to believe that the Broncos never make a mistake - heck we all do. But mistakes are why the team was 9-7 last year. I don't think it's wrong to openly question decisions. That's part and parcel of posting on message boards.

[Cito Pelon]

Does anyone have any info on how the draft points played out? It seems to me like we lost big time on the point differential but I don't have that info.
What worries me more than the weed issue is that we traded up for a guy that has had some serious injury issues since high school.

Denver overpaid in terms of points. 21 and 86 by my chart = 960, and 17 is 950 points.

As for the quality of the pick, well, who the hell knows? He's a pass-rusher, pass-rushers are hard to find, you roll the dice and hope it works out.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Look, when we're dealing with other Broncos fans why do we have to call each other stupid, da's, ah's, etc., etc., etc.?? Everybody makes mistakes, and some react w/o a lot of thought, and Geez.... I'm a rowdy, angry person sometimes, but I try not to take it out on other Broncos fans!! I love to argue and get after other teams' fans who are insulting, but it doesn't seem right to do the same with "friends."

I don't expect CHURCH here; I'm not even religious; but some of those personal attacks here are really rude and discourteous to say the least! As the song goes, "Why can't we be friends"? At least let's not be insulting and personally degrading when responding to errors by well-intended posters. I would like to let my children read and post here, but I can't expose them to vulgarity and insults should they post something in error or via normal, spontaneous child-like enthusiasm, even though it may be somewhat inaccurate!

Does anyone who posts here agree with me?
Your idealism is commendable, but one of the unspoken rules in this place is that you dare not offer alternative views differing from the official party line unless you wish to incur the wrath of the thought nazis. This goes double for draft day, where every player picked will automatically be given a free pass reguardless of how ridiculous their selection might be. This majority of this board threw itself lovingly into the arms of criminal-in-training Maurice Clarett en mass with nothing but caustic comments for those who had the audacity to question such a foolish move. The usual childish tantrums directed toward non-conformists ensued, complete with insults, personal attacks on people's intelligence, etc....it's the way it is and it's pointless to worry about it.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I agree - it happens because some people don't like opposing opinions, especially when those opinions conflict with what the Broncos are doing with personnel moves. I guess some people like to believe that the Broncos never make a mistake - heck we all do. But mistakes are why the team was 9-7 last year. I don't think it's wrong to openly question decisions. That's part and parcel of posting on message boards.
You're just a subversive trouble maker. ;D

[watermock]

Wrong, he has serious behavioral issues and strength issues. The Jason Taylor crap is just that, crap.

[Willynowei]

I'd be pleased to be wrong. Maybe I am. But here are some other reactions to Moss's Sirius debacle, none of which bodes wells:





This from Pat Kirwan:


The Moss pick has disappointment written all over it. Factor in what we gave up in the trade, and it could be a disaster.


Why don't you watch him on the Broncos interview and judge for yourself, i was impressed with him, and yeah he doesn't seem quick with responses, but it seams like thats because he is nervous. The kid never looked up once, he's got the public speaking chills. And even if he was stupid, so what? did he score lower than Vince Young on the wonderlic? how's that guy turning out?

If you about weight lifting and strength, you understand how meaningless the bench means to a young guy. These guys can add literally hundreds of pounds and tons of reps WITHOUT gaining much weight. Its just FLAT OUT STUPID what some of these guys are saying.

Pat Kirwin knows what he's talking about but his concern stems strictly from Mario Williams, thats like saying that since Kyle Boller was a bust, thus all other strong arm QBs should be looked at twice, it doesn't mean anything!

People have to read more about the guy they are criticizing and freakin relax. This guy had a staff infection that prevented him from a lot of action his first two years, and also from working out in the weight room. In two offseasons he will be putting up 400+ lbs on the bench with ease.

[Willynowei]

We should have stayed at 21. We got played for the ammo that could have helped land us Jenkins.

I don't mind the Moss pick - and don't mind if he's smoked weed before (most of our generation -17-26ish or older has at one point) ...

I just hate that we gave up picks, that if packaged together, and a sweetener, could have gotten us a relatively inexpensive, potential pro-bowler at one of our biggest positions of need.

We got played. It was a very mediocre draft if we can't line up some more talent in our front seven, somehow.

Jenkins wants a new contract right around what we are paying to Champ, 8-9 million, if you think thats inexpensive, whats considered expensive?

[broncobum6162]

Denver overpaid in terms of points. 21 and 86 by my chart = 960, and 17 is 950 points.

As for the quality of the pick, well, who the hell knows? He's a pass-rusher, pass-rushers are hard to find, you roll the dice and hope it works out.

Thanks Cito. By those figures we only overpaid by 10 points, not as bad as I figured. But w/ everyone on this thread argueing amongst themselves I feel there are more serious issues on this Moss deal now than the 3 picks for 1 trade and weed, and people are still missing it. No one is talking about his injury isssues. The dude hasn't been real healthy since his junior year in high school!

[Willynowei]

Wrong, he has serious behavioral issues and strength issues. The Jason Taylor crap is just that, crap.

Really Mock? Jason Taylor was considered small, skinny and weak comming out the draft, more of a basketball player than a football player. He was sitting around the same weight and hand picked by the same D-coordinator in the third round of the draft.

If he was just as quick and big as Moss but many times stronger, then why did he drop three rounds? Maybe because if you saw him in his rookie year, he reminded you of steve urkle in helmet and pads?

[Willynowei]

Thanks Cito. By those figures we only overpaid by 10 points, not as bad as I figured. But w/ everyone on this thread argueing amongst themselves I feel there are more serious issues on this Moss deal now than the 3 picks for 1 trade and weed, and people are still missing it. No one is talking about his injury isssues. The dude hasn't been real healthy since his junior year in high school!

Yeah the injury issue since highschool has been talked about and its not an injury, which makes it a none issue. From what I understand it was a staff infection from a dirty needle from his highschool doctor/trainer. No one at florida could even diagnose the problem correctly untill a new coaching staff came in and realized it was a staff infection.

Sounds to me like the trainers around him screwed up and nearly cost him his career.

[theAPAOps5]

Yep it was a staff infection and he lost 40lbs and doctors couldn't explain why. He is just now getting over it and thats why his strenght and size are lacking. Get him on the T-Bone, protein, rinse and repeat diet and lifting and he will make strides.

[RMT]

You're just a subversive trouble maker. ;D

who, me? ;) ... you know me too well FS :) ... I think we'd all like to believe the team makes the best decisions, but mistakes are inevitable. What we'd like to, hopefully, avoid is the major gaffe. Moss wasn't one of those, but factor in the trade up and some question marks about Moss and let the debates begin ... all will be well once the season starts. The team has more moves to make.

[Florida_Bronco]

Your idealism is commendable, but one of the unspoken rules in this place is that you dare not offer alternative views differing from the official party line unless you wish to incur the wrath of the thought nazis. This goes double for draft day, where every player picked will automatically be given a free pass reguardless of how ridiculous their selection might be. This majority of this board threw itself lovingly into the arms of criminal-in-training Maurice Clarett en mass with nothing but caustic comments for those who had the audacity to question such a foolish move. The usual childish tantrums directed toward non-conformists ensued, complete with insults, personal attacks on people's intelligence, etc....it's the way it is and it's pointless to worry about it.

Not to be an ass, but you don't know what you are talking about. I was here when the Clarett pick was made and MANY people were not happy about the pick. It was not a few select people, as you suggest.