Jarvis Moss, DE Denver Broncos

[epicSocialism4tw]

Well, it's a step in the right direction. Good pick. The first thing I thought of when I looked at his tape was Jason Taylor.

Strengths: A tall, rangy athlete. Displays very good first-step quickness and top-end speed. He shows the ability to turn the corner on a consistent basis and closes quickly as a pass rusher. Extremely fluid and smooth; he changes directions without losing much time in transition. He shows the ability to get offensive tackle's off-balance with his quick double moves. He plays with a good motor and will make plays from behind in pursuit. He does play with decent leverage and will try to stay low when taking on bigger blockers in the running game.

Weaknesses: He's undersized and gets rag-dolled by bigger blockers that get into his body. He tries to stay low and take on blockers when teams are running at him, but he simply lacks the base to hold ground. He comes with some baggage in terms of durability and character alerts; staff infection in 2005 caused him to lose nearly 40 pounds and one-game suspension in 2006.

Overall: Moss battled hernia problems prior to the start of the 2003 season, dressed for three total contests appearing in one game against Florida A&M (9/13) when he registered five total tackles, but dealt with some more pelvic-area muscle trouble throughout the year and received a medical redshirt. He returned in 2004 after practicing some at linebacker in the preseason but only appeared in the season opener against Eastern Michigan (9/11) as a redshirt freshman. Moss then played in the final 11 games during Florida's 12-game 2005 season, mostly on third-down, and recorded 25 total tackles including nine for loss, 7.5 sacks, one forced fumble, and one fumble recovery. Moss started 13 of 14 games in 2006, missing the Western Carolina game (11/18) because of suspension, and registered 56 tackles, 11 tackles for loss, 7.5 sacks, four forced fumbles, and two blocked kicks.
Moss makes the leap to the NFL after turning in his best season as a junior in 2006. He needs to get bigger and stronger in order to properly defend the run in the NFL. He also comes with some minor character and durability "alerts" that could make some teams uneasy. In all reality, though, Moss is unlikely to slip out of the first round because he possesses the frame, speed and athletic ability to eventually emerge as an impact every-down starter in the NFL. Moss could grow into a role as a 4-3 defensive end or 3-4 rush-linebacker, depending on the team that drafts him. Either way, Moss should contribute immediately as a pass rusher.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bates just got his Jason Taylor clone.

[SoCalBronco]

I think its all Bates..yep. His fat ass DTs will be the run stuffers, he wants edge rushers.

[DB84FAN]

but the price was just too high. giving up 2 more picks and 3rd rounder to go up four slots. i think he would have been there at 21. i think it was a dumb move

[Barry Ramey]

No question Moss has the potential to be a good pass rusher, which is a big need on the team. I'm still not sure about trading the extra picks to get him though.

[chaz]

let's see what bates can do! he has some talent to work with

what's the deal with rookies...can they come in and start lifting/working out with the team before they sign (aka around training camp)? seems like a couple months with rich tuten would do this kid a world of good...

[Ray Finkle]

I just threw up in my mouth......

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Why? You got a legit pass rusher at DE...no more scabs.

[chaz]

does anyone else think it is a little suspect that jarvis is still so weak? i dont know a lot about staph infections...but is two years really not enough time to recover? im just wondering if this is as much a question of work ethic in the weight room as well as getting healthy?

[CBF1]

I thought he would be there at 21. Gave up too much IMO

[Cito Pelon]

Simeon Rice II. The team should have signed Rice 4 years ago, so I'm not disappointed. I think they could have stayed at 21 and got Moss, though. Apparently, they didn't think so. Shanny made a brief appearance on 950 and said he was one of their top three targets.

[eddie mac]

We paid too much for him bottom line. I really think he'd have been there at 21.

[epicSocialism4tw]

If Denver can secure Kris Jenkins, this team will have improved significantly in the span of a day.

[longtimer]

We just Deafted "TWIGGY" all of his positive are all worthless if the other team does not have to pass the ball. The NFL will line up and run over the top of "TWIGGY". Plus we gave up TWO additional pisk
for the privlage to draft "TWIGGY" with our first round pick.

Maybe TWIGGY can grow into a powerfull TREE if he gets his ass in the weight room and work for the next 3 years.

I do not think he can help us this year unless we use him as a situtational pass rusher like Elvis.

[Eli_Cash]

Moss was the last high ceiling DE left on the board.
Moving up was probably the right thing to do.

The next 2 picks are pretty important....

[epicSocialism4tw]

We paid too much for him bottom line. I really think he'd have been there at 21.

Agreed. I guess that the BBT didnt want to risk losing the last player on their first round board. I have the feeling that had both Harrell and Moss been available with Jacksonville on the clock, that Denver would have stayed put.

[telluride]

He's a bad character. Anyone who heard the Sirius interview knows that. (They're still laughing about that interview on the channel.) I hope I'm wrong, but he'll underachieve and have character issues.

[Williams]

Shanny made a brief appearance on 950 and said he was one of their top three targets.

I wonder who were the other two...

I'm alright with the pick... but agree with most everybody he'd be there @ 21. They mustve really wanted him to make the move.

[Clockwork Orange]

Moss is the best pure pass rusher in this draft not named Gaines Adams and he fits Bates' scheme.

All the people who've been clamoring for a pass rusher, you got your wish.

I'm not crazy about the trade up, but I like the player.

[The MVPlaya]

Bob's statement was pretty accurate...Jason Taylor clone.

Both are 6'6 and around 250. Same build, same style...

[Eli_Cash]

What were teams offeringt o move up for Quinn is kinda what I'm interested in.

Could have been some value there.

Still, 6'6 edge rushers don't grow on trees...

[epicSocialism4tw]

Moss has all of the physical tools. Does he have the brains? That's what separates the average from the great in the NFL.

I'm glad that the Broncos at least addressed the issue, but if this team goes into opening day with Alvin McKinley at DT, it's in trouble.

[Garcia Bronco]

He'll be fine.

[Northman]

Love the pick, just not how we got him. Could have gotten him at 21.

[lostknight]

I don't think this was a bad pick at all. Remember, the defense needs some fine tuning, not a complete over-haul. Given how dominant the defense was the first 1/2 of last season, they need some situational help. Moss will help out on the pass rush, our achilles heel on Defense the last few years.

He won't be a disaster for Defense against the run. He's on the end, and should be able to penetrate a bit with his speed. He will at least slow down a run long enough for help to arrive.

Between him and Elvis, I think we will have a much stronger pass rush game, without sacrificing too much against the run.

As far as when we could have gotten him, given that there are 9 straight defensive positions drafted, and how fast defensive players are dropping like flies, it's better safe then sorry.

[Cito Pelon]

We just Deafted "TWIGGY" all of his positive are all worthless if the other team does not have to pass the ball. The NFL will line up and run over the top of "TWIGGY". Plus we gave up TWO additional pisk
for the privlage to draft "TWIGGY" with our first round pick.

Maybe TWIGGY can grow into a powerfull TREE if he gets his ass in the weight room and work for the next 3 years.

I do not think he can help us this year unless we use him as a situtational pass rusher like Elvis.

Shanny said on 950 when he was with SF Charles Haley played at 230-235 and Jason Taylor plays at about that weight, so there's no reason to worry about Moss' weight. He said he expects 3d down production at least this year.

[Victor]

Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Give away a third and a sixth to move up four spots and "nab" a guy who would have been there at 21.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Of course I concede the fact that they might know a bit more about all this than I do out at Dove Valley. But from my chair this move looks stupid.

[c_lazy_r]

Ehhh....OK, I guess.

Not super excited.

[Cito Pelon]

I wonder who were the other two...

I'm alright with the pick... but agree with most everybody he'd be there @ 21. They mustve really wanted him to make the move.

Shanny said Harrell was one of them, someone asked who the other one was and Shanny said, "I'm not going to get into that."

[Nos]

We should have kept 21 and if we didn't get the value we were looking for we could have traded down for more picks. Heck, we could have gotten the browns second this year their first next year just the same as dallas. I think we panicked.

[yerner]

He's a bad character. Anyone who heard the Sirius interview knows that. (They're still laughing about that interview on the channel.) I hope I'm wrong, but he'll underachieve and have character issues.

I didn't get a chance to hear it. What did he say during the interview? How bad?

[Cito Pelon]

We should have kept 21 and if we didn't get the value we were looking for we could have traded down for more picks. Heck, we could have gotten the browns second this year their first next year just the same as dallas. I think we panicked.

Sort of sounds like that. But, giving up an 86 and a 198 is not so bad. Maybe they can recoup.

[broncofan4life]

we didn't need to trade down Moss would have been there at 21. But this is what we need a pass rusher.

[iforgotmypassword]

ive been tellin everybody for two months i'd take almost anybody except jarvis moss, not only does it cost us our 21, but 86, ahhh piss

now exscuse me ive ate about 50 wings and i have to go take a jarvis

[Chupacabra]

good pick i think.

on a side note, i was assigned to "block" jarvis in a scrimmage [my waxahachie indians vs his denton ryan raiders] my junior year and lets just say it was funny watching me get thrown into the middle of the tacklebox.

[BroncoInferno]

I think we could have had him at #21, but I really like the Moss. If they thought so highly of him that they did not want to take the risk of losing him between #17 and #21, then I'm OK with the move up. I really think Moss is a double digit sack guy, and he's also a good ST player (see the game vs. the Gamecocks for proof).

[Clockwork Orange]

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/11/12/images/SOUTH_CAROLINA_FLORIDA_FOOT.jpg
http://images.athlonsports.com/d/3764-1/smithbcs.jpg
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/10/08/images/OT_251477_BORC_gators_9.jpg

Get used to seeing that last one. :~ohyah!:

[Gcver2ver3]

Here is what I'm thinking....

Shanny must've gotten word that someone was trying to leap frog them in the draft to select jarvis moss....so they possibly reacted quickly by trading with Jax....

Jax may have told denver that someone was trying to get their pick and denver would need to "outbid" the other team to get the pick from them...

maybe denver fell for a bluff....maybe not...

But I love Moss's opportunity....He fits the bill to be a terrific pass rusher in Bates scheme...

Like Gator fans I know were telling me....all you need to do is look at some of the other defensive players from Florida are doing in the Pro's.....that alone should leave you very encouraged...

[BroncoInferno]

Anybody who does not like this pick quite simply does know what the fck they are talking about. Moss will be an elite pass rusher.

[U GOT JACKED UP]

I hope Jarvis Moss is a Jason Taylor clone.

[Nos]

Sort of sounds like that. But, giving up an 86 and a 198 is not so bad. Maybe they can recoup.

Hope so...but as it stands I'm dissapointed that we overpayed and missed an

opportunity to possibly get a deal done with the Browns. Oh well...

Go Nuggets!

[Ray Finkle]

Anybody who does not like this pick quite simply does know what the fck they are talking about. Moss will be an elite pass rusher.

I disagree....I have watched him play and do not see any Jason Taylor comparisons. I do not think he has the bulk to be a 3 down player... They could have sat at 21 at taken Spencer if Moss was gone or traded down......

[The MVPlaya]

2 Things People Need to Stop Complaining about:

1. The trade with Cleveland. NO ONE knows we could have had that trade happen. What if they didn't call us? What if they didn't realize they could have established the trade until it was reported KC wanted him? We made our trade at the 17th pick, that was very earily and Quinn was a ? at that time. Stop with this we should have traded for Cleveland BS, it didn't happen and we might of not even had the opportunity.

2. Moss would have dropped to #21. Kiper said he was on Titans board. Bates wanted Moss most likely because of the similarities to Jason Taylor. Again, stop saying he would have dropped because YOU DON'T KNOW, AND it was reported he was going to be selected by the Titans.

[enjolras]

I love the pick. This guy dominated the national championship game. I hate giving up picks (everyone does), but if that's what it takes you pay it to fill such a big need. Having those extra picks and not filling your need in the draft gets you what exactly?

If they can come up with some o-line help... this team is going to be in good shape for next season.

[DenverBrit]

All those wasted months of planning the draft when all they had to do was come and ask the 'experts.' :spit:

Be happy we got one of the DE's the team needed and satisfied that the Broncos moved up for a reason.

[Nos]

Here is what I'm thinking....

Shanny must've gotten word that someone was trying to leap frog them in the draft to select jarvis moss....so they possibly reacted quickly by trading with Jax....

Jax may have told denver that someone was trying to get their pick and denver would need to "outbid" the other team to get the pick from them...

maybe denver fell for a bluff....maybe not...

But I love Moss's opportunity....He fits the bill to be a terrific pass rusher in Bates scheme...

Like Gator fans I know were telling me....all you need to do is look at some of the other defensive players from Florida are doing in the Pro's.....that alone should leave you very encouraged...

Good points. But I don't give much stock in what other guys from the same

college or same preschool or same mother do. Every big school sends

stars and flops to the next level. But your probably right about the bluff or

the rumors that caused Denver to jump. You know, if they got there guy and

that's who they want, than thats fine. I like Moss...we'll see what happens.

Maybe we have another Freeney.

[DenverBrit]

Moss capsule
By Rocky Mountain News
April 28, 2007
Jarvis Moss, DE, Florida
6-foot-6, 250 pounds
First round (17th overall)

Scouting report: It was hardly shocking the Broncos sent third-round and sixth-round picks to move up four spots and grab Moss since it’s now the third time in fourth years they’ve gone up the first-round board. Denver identified three players at No. 21 they were interested in taking, including DT Justin Harrell and possibly including LB Lawrence Timmons, but facing a possible shutout, the club decided to take the aggressive course and shoot up four spots to assure it got at least one of the coveted trio. Moss fills an immediate need as a situational pass rusher on second-and-long and third down. He has top-end speed off the edge and a large wingspan, which will complement 2006 draft pick Elvis Dumervil in that nickel-type role well. Moss is a work in progress against the run and is somewhat light at 250 pounds so it might take him time to work his way into the every-down rotation. But Moss gives a much-needed injection into a pass rush that has lacked consistent pressure in recent seasons.

[manchambo]

Everyone saying "he would have been there at 21" is absolutely talking out of their ass. There are two things we know for certain: (i) Shanny believed that he would not be there at 21, and (ii) we have no idea what the basis for that belief was, and no way to evaluate it. Obviously it's possible that he was wrong, but I tend to trust his judgment on such things over internet nitwits'.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Skinny, medical issues, character issues, motivation issues...he's perfect!

[BroncoInferno]

I disagree....I have watched him play and do not see any Jason Taylor comparisons. I do not think he has the bulk to be a 3 down player... They could have sat at 21 at taken Spencer if Moss was gone or traded down......

He will put on weight. He had a staph infection that hurt him in that regard, that is no longer an issue and he'll bulk up. On the three down issue thing...keep in mind that Bates' scheme does not employ the traditional run stuffing DE on the left side...but ends are quick, fast pass rusher first and foremost with the DTs asked to clog the middle. Moss is perfect for the scheme and WILL be an elite pass rusher. Great move, it is a fact.

[Nos]

[QUOTE=The MVPlaya;1568683]2 Things People Need to Stop Complaining about:

1. The trade with Cleveland. NO ONE knows we could have had that trade happen. What if they didn't call us? What if they didn't realize they could have established the trade until it was reported KC wanted him? We made our trade at the 17th pick, that was very earily and Quinn was a ? at that time. Stop with this we should have traded for Cleveland BS, it didn't happen and we might of not even had the opportunity.

Are you watching the draft? Cleveland said they started calling everyone after the 12th pick to see if they could do something. The point is that if we stayed at 21 and Moss was gone we had options. If he was there we take him if not we could have traded down, there was no need to panic and over pay for a guy by losing a 3rd and a late round pick that Denver turns into players. That said, I like Moss but I feel that we gave up too much when we had options either way at 21.

[OrangeShadow]

all you whining about moving up, what if he wasnt there at 21? youd still be bitching.

Im content, not estatic but ill be curious to see what bates can do with him

[NFLBRONCO]

Love this pick and will like it more if we get a DT next.

At least we actually addressed DL.

[BroncoInferno]

Skinny, medical issues, character issues, motivation issues...he's perfect!

He will be an elite pass rusher. Quit whining.

[DenverBrit]

[QUOTE=OrangeShadow;1568727

all you whining about moving up, what if he wasnt there at 21? youd still be b****ing.

[/QUOTE]

You'd think Denver just drafted a punter.

[KipCorrington25]

Wo knows if he'll be good or not but it was a need position so lets get the guy in here and see what happens.

[Rascal]

I like, just wish we didn't give up that sixth rounder but that's being nit picky. I think Shanny honestly thought somebody would take him before 21 or somebody would move up. Now we just need to get a DT for next year. Our LB's should be solid with the recent additions and safety is okay for now (although it obviously needs to be addressed).

[Gcver2ver3]

Good points. But I don't give much stock in what other guys from the same

college or same preschool or same mother do. Every big school sends

stars and flops to the next level. But your probably right about the bluff or

the rumors that caused Denver to jump. You know, if they got there guy and

that's who they want, than thats fine. I like Moss...we'll see what happens.

Maybe we have another Freeney.


Well it's not about Gator fans' bias....It's a fact that Florida puts out some good defensive players...

Some active ones now: Javon Kearse, Alex Brown are a couple pass rushers for starters...also how about Trace Armstrong, Kevin Carter, and our boy Gerard Warren?

Mike Peterson and Lito Sheppard are non d-lineman but have pro bowl talent....

Not a bad list.....

Expect Jarvis Moss to do quite well at the next level....

[Popps]

I do not think he can help us this year unless we use him as a situtational pass rusher like Elvis.

The thing is, Moss can bulk up.... Elvis can't get any taller, or faster.

We'll see what happens, but this kid has a lot of raw skills, good instincts and a big frame.

I love the pick... but probably just because I've been screaming about picks like this for about a decade, now.

Bottom line, Bates clearly believes that a defense wins by staffing the front seven properly, FIRST and foremost.... and I think he's right on target.
I'd look for at least one more DL move and a LB move or two.

Great stuff. I just can't wait for the day we have a defense with some toughness again. A **** disturber rushing off of the edge on every place is a great place to start.

[TheDave]

we addressed the D-Line,That alone makes me happy. Did we panic, maybe a little... But we got the guy the staff wanted, lets all hope they were right.

[chaz]

does anyone else think it is a little suspect that jarvis is still so weak? i dont know a lot about staph infections...but is two years really not enough time to recover? im just wondering if this is as much a question of work ethic in the weight room as well as getting healthy?

anyone heard anything about his work ethic?

[llayne]

Ok. I will admit it. I wish we had traded with Clevland, but...think of it this way. Who else do we have on the defensive line? We would be bitching all year long if our defense couldn't generate a pass rush. Now, I know that maybe we find a guy with Clevland's second round pick or somewhere else in the draft. But we have a guy who should be a pass rusher and this will be critical this year and in the playoffs. We are making a move to win now. Bates wanted the guy, and I think he feels he can find fat guys in the later rounds and that ends are the key for his defense.

[cabronco]

Im happy with the Moss pick, now lets get a solid DT.

[GoHAM]

anyone heard anything about his work ethic?

… Learns with normal reps and is a self-starter who puts in the extra hours after practice …

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/moss_jarvis

I'm pretty neutral with an optimistic view on Jarvis.

[Hulamau]

Moss and Elvis can hi-lo 'em :-)

[Broncos4Life]

You haters can say what you want. This isn't necessarily they guy I wanted us to draft, but I get the feelin that Bates really wanted this guy and Shanny was willing to give up a couple picks to make sure that Bates got his man. I still like this pick though.

[BroncoInferno]

… Learns with normal reps and is a self-starter who puts in the extra hours after practice …

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/moss_jarvis


So, in other words, footsteps was pulling the motivation question out of his ass.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I expect Moss to fill out, he's got the frame to put on some more weight. He's also got long arms, the bench press stuff doesn't scare me since there's a long way to go for him to have 1 rep.

I also don't look at it as a panic move, I look at is as Shanny had 3 targets and he was going to get 1 of them. That's being aggressive and not waiting for what falls to you. How many of us would be pissed right now if we were KC fans who just watched their GM sit on his ass when Brady Quinn was falling to them and he didn't move up just a couple spots for the guy?

I think the 6th was overkill, but in the grand schme of things, it's a late 6th round pick. The 3rd was a given that one would have to be given up for that move.

[BroncoInferno]

I expect Moss to fill out, he's got the frame to put on some more weight. He's also got long arms, the bench press stuff doesn't scare me since there's a long way to go for him to have 1 rep.

I also don't look at it as a panic move, I look at is as Shanny had 3 targets and he was going to get 1 of them. That's being aggressive and not waiting for what falls to you. How many of us would be pissed right now if we were KC fans who just watched their GM sit on his ass when Brady Quinn was falling to them and he didn't move up just a couple spots for the guy?

I think the 6th was overkill, but in the grand schme of things, it's a late 6th round pick. The 3rd was a given that one would have to be given up for that move.

Good post, Herc. We very well may have missed out on Moss if we had stayed put. We have no idea what other teams were thinking re: their stasis picks or possible trade ups.

[REB]

I like it. I was really hoping we'd go DE with our 1st pick. We need to do a much better job of getting after the QB.

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I'll also add that I don't have problems taking chances on juniors who would be Top 10 picks if they stayed another year, also didn't have problems with the Middlebrooks and Foster picks since those guys would have gone higher if healthy. The Broncos have to take risks like these because they're so consistently good, they're not going to be in position to get elite talents unless they take projects or injury risks.

[bombay]

He makes me think of Simon Fletcher.

[BroncoInferno]

I'll also add that I don't have problems taking chances on juniors who would be Top 10 picks if they stayed another year, also didn't have problems with the Middlebrooks and Foster picks since those guys would have gone higher if healthy. The Broncos have to take risks like these because they're so consistently good, they're not going to be in position to get elite talents unless they take projects or injury risks.

Agree again. I'm one of the few who still admit to not having had a problem with the Clarett pick. We gambled on greatness, didn't not work out, but at the end of the day it was only a comp pick. I like rolling the dice on greatness.

[DomCasual]

He makes me think of Simon Fletcher.

I'd take that.

[OrangeShadow]

I think if they land jenkins as well the line is going to be levels above what it was

[Cito Pelon]

The thing is, Moss can bulk up.... Elvis can't get any taller, or faster.

We'll see what happens, but this kid has a lot of raw skills, good instincts and a big frame.

I love the pick... but probably just because I've been screaming about picks like this for about a decade, now.

Bottom line, Bates clearly believes that a defense wins by staffing the front seven properly, FIRST and foremost.... and I think he's right on target.
I'd look for at least one more DL move and a LB move or two.

Great stuff. I just can't wait for the day we have a defense with some toughness again. A **** disturber rushing off of the edge on every place is a great place to start.

You gonna relax a little bit now?

BTW, props to TJ for keeping the site running smoothly.

I like Moss, reminds me of Simeon Rice who is no slouch in my opinion. The cost was not real bad.

[DomCasual]

I wonder, realistically, how much weight he could play with this year. They're obviously going to work on bulking him up. But can they get him to 270? 275? And ultimately, at 6' 6", where can he end up? You'd love to see him approach 300, at some point.

[Dedhed]

This board is unbelievable. It whines all off-season about a pass rush, and as soon as we make a move to address it they whine louder. Laughable!

[BroncoInferno]

[QUOTE=DomCasual;1568800]I wonder, realistically, how much weight he could play with this year. They're obviously going to work on bulking him up. But can they get him to 270? 275? And ultimately, at 6' 6", where can he end up? You'd love to see him approach 300, at some point.[/QUOTE

In Bates' scheme, which maximizes quickness on the edges and run stuffing in the middle, they probably don't want him higher than 270.

[BroncoInferno]

This board is unbelievable. It whines all off-season about a pass rush, and as soon as we make a move to address it they whine louder. Laughable!

No kidding. We get an elite pass rush prospect to boot, and they still whine cause we traded a 3rd that normally don't pan out for us anyway.

[Dedhed]

I wonder, realistically, how much weight he could play with this year. They're obviously going to work on bulking him up. But can they get him to 270? 275? And ultimately, at 6' 6", where can he end up? You'd love to see him approach 300, at some point.
What are you talking about? Do you have any idea what Bates asks of his DEs? BTW, that's a rhetorical question; your previous post answered it already.

[Rock Chalk]

Id be satisfied if he played at max 280. Depending which end he is playing on that is.

[longtimer]

Shanny said on 950 when he was with SF Charles Haley played at 230-235 and Jason Taylor plays at about that weight, so there's no reason to worry about Moss' weight. He said he expects 3d down production at least this year.

Jason Taylor does not look like a twig. Moss looks like he has neever visited the weight room from the highlights ESPN showed.

O'well I either have to hope for a mirracle or pray this does not turn into the TED Gregory pick part 2.

[DomCasual]

What are you talking about? Do you have any idea what Bates asks of his DEs? BTW, that's a rhetorical question; your previous post answered it already.

Are you always an a-hole, or just today?

So, you think because he's basically the same size as Jason Taylor, he's "a Bates guy?" The guy has been sick. He's not going to play at 255 in the NFL. There aren't many guys 6' 6", 255 that can play 3 downs for 16 games against NFL offensive linemen. Jason Taylor? Great. You pick one guy that plays at that weight, and you decide everyone else needs to be his clone?

Bates system asks DEs to pressure the QB. There is no requirement as to how big they need to be. Are you going to tell me that he would rather have a guy play at 255 than, say, 280 - all things being equal?

Wait, that was a rhetorical question. You answered it already with your first post. ::)

[longtimer]

This board is unbelievable. It whines all off-season about a pass rush, and as soon as we make a move to address it they whine louder. Laughable!

The board wanted a DE that has a DE Build i.e. 275-290lbs can stop the run and sack the QB. Moss can rush the QB in College and gets PANCAKED ON WHAT SEEMED LIKE EVERY RUNNING PLAY THAT CAME DIRECTLY AT HIM. RIGHT NOW OTHER TEAMS WILL NOT HAVE TO PASS THE BALL JUST CALL A RUNNING PLAY DIRECTED AT Moss. He reminds me of when gold was ask to play DE and take on takles. They just ran right over him.

[Willynowei]

everyone saying he would've been there at 21, are you watching the same draft i was? Defensive players were dropping like flies and specifically linemen, if I was Shanny I would've gotten antsy as well. Very happy that he's a dend, hopefully he pans out.

[BroncoInferno]

The board wanted a DE that has a DE Build i.e. 275-290lbs can stop the run and sack the QB. Moss can rush the QB in College and gets PANCAKED ON WHAT SEEMED LIKE EVERY RUNNING PLAY THAT CAME DIRECTLY AT HIM. RIGHT NOW OTHER TEAMS WILL NOT HAVE TO PASS THE BALL JUST CALL A RUNNING PLAY DIRECTED AT Moss. He reminds me of when gold was ask to play DE and take on takles. They just ran right over him.

You clearly show your absolute ignorance of Bates' scheme. Let me educate you: his scheme calls for big DTs who occupy blockers and clog the run and quick, fast DEs who produce explosion off the edges for pass rush and play the run as an afterthought. Size is not that important for a DE in his scheme. Get a clue.

[REB]

I watched Shanny's interview after the pick and he said there were 3 guys they were looking at and Jarvis was the only one left so they figured they better make the move cuz you never know.

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

[longtimer]

You clearly show your absolute ignorance of Bates' scheme. Let me educate you: his scheme calls for big DTs who occupy blockers and clog the run and quick, fast DEs who produce explosion off the edges for pass rush and play the run as an afterthought. Size is not that important for a DE in his scheme. Get a clue.


Let me CLEARLY show just how much you do not under stand the game of the NFL.

BATES scheme requires
1. DE that are STRONG enough to hold there own against the run Example Jason Taylor
2. Athetic enough to Rush the QB.


MOSS has the ablity to russ the passer but does not seem to have the funtional football strength to hold his own against the run. holding his own means the ablity take on the blocker and force the RB backinto were his help is comming from i.e. the LB, Safetys.

Jason Taylor did not look like a twig and if I rember corectlyhe had great functional football strength and was not a liability against the run.

[MechanicalBull]

I watched Shanny's interview after the pick and he said there were 3 guys they were looking at and Jarvis was the only one left so they figured they better make the move cuz you never know.

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

did he say who the other 2 were?

[BroncoInferno]

Let me CLEARLY show just how much you do not under stand the game of the NFL.

BATES scheme requires
1. DE that are STRONG enough to hold there own against the run Example Jason Taylor
2. Athetic enough to Rush the QB.


MOSS has the ablity to russ the passer but does not seem to have the funtional football strength to hold his own against the run. holding his own means the ablity take on the blocker and force the RB backinto were his help is comming from i.e. the LB, Safetys.

Jason Taylor did not look like a twig and if I rember corectlyhe had great functional football strength and was not a liability against the run.

No, you are dead wrong...his scheme does NOT require a run-strong first DE. It requires quick pass-rushers on the edge, strong behomoths in the middle, period. And, Taylor to this day weighs about 260 tops.

[DomCasual]

You clearly show your absolute ignorance of Bates' scheme. Let me educate you: his scheme calls for big DTs who occupy blockers and clog the run and quick, fast DEs who produce explosion off the edges for pass rush and play the run as an afterthought. Size is not that important for a DE in his scheme. Get a clue.

Right, but it's not like size is a non-issue. The key is his quickness. Jarvis Moss doesn't have the same body as Jason Taylor. If Rich Tuten can get him to bulk up without losing speed, they'll do it.

It would be like saying, "Jim Bates doesn't want DTs that are quick. They just need girth." Well, he wants both. But the priority is to clog the middle. But if a guy is a fatass that can't get off the ball in the 4th quarter, a la Gilbert Brown in Super Bowl XXXII, it doesn't matter how big he is. Reverse speed and size in the analogy, and you can apply it to DEs.

[Cito Pelon]

did he say who the other 2 were?

He volunteered Harrell and then he refused to answer a question about who the second of the three was.

[Los Broncos]

Good pick, bad trade.

[longtimer]

No, you are dead wrong...his scheme does NOT require a run-strong first DE. It requires quick pass-rushers on the edge, strong behomoths in the middle, period. And, Taylor to this day weighs about 260 tops.

every time you resond you demistrate your lack of knoledge.

The first rule in any NFL deffense is STOP THE RUN. Bates sheme is no diferent. I have never said any thing about size. MY concern is his FUNCTIOAN FOOTBAL STRENGTH. on running plays in bates scheme the DE is responsible for containment.this is to force the play back into the middle. this require addiquate strength so you do not get PANCAKED BY THE TE, OG OR OT.

If you can not stop the run to the outside the other team will not have to pass the ball they will just run it for 4 to 6 yards per carry . Teams will not have to run at the massive DT if they can run over the top of the DE.

ESPN say Moss does not have the ability to force the running play back to the inside because he is on his back looking up at the sky. It is very hard to play football laying down on your back. This is due to the lack of functional footbal strength.

[bpc]

I'm okay with the pick, the trade of course I didn't like very much.

We have a good base end now to build upon. Doesn't matter though because we NOW need push up the middle to flush QB's side to side into their arms.

Elvis and Jarvis should provide a pretty potent rush from the DE's.

[listopencil]

Just a couple of things I'll throw in:


1) We didn't get Okoye.:vermeil:
2) I understand that this draft was/is deeper at DE. If Moss fits the new scheme then so be it. Time to sack up and see what Bates can do.
3) I'd still like to get Jenkins.
4) I'm excited about what Moss might be able to do. I've heard a little about Bates' scheme and I think I'm starting to be able to picture it. If it is what I think it is then we still need help at DT or DJ is going to have to be one hell of a MLB.

[BroncoInferno]

every time you resond you demistrate your lack of knoledge.

The first rule in any NFL deffense is STOP THE RUN. Bates sheme is no diferent. I have never said any thing about size. MY concern is his FUNCTIOAN FOOTBAL STRENGTH. on running plays in bates scheme the DE is responsible for containment.this is to force the play back into the middle. this require addiquate strength so you do not get PANCAKED BY THE TE, OG OR OT.

If you can not stop the run to the outside the other team will not have to pass the ball they will just run it for 4 to 6 yards per carry . Teams will not have to run at the massive DT if they can run over the top of the DE.

ESPN say Moss does not have the ability to force the running play back to the inside because he is on his back looking up at the sky. It is very hard to play football laying down on your back. This is due to the lack of functional footbal strength.

Nope. Bates' scheme is not your average 4-3 D that would fit the definition above. Sorry, you're wrong. He wants quick explosion in the backfield off the edges, period. Interesting, though, that you think you know what fits Bates' scheme better than he does. Too bad you aren't on the staff Ha!

[Dedhed]

The board wanted a DE that has a DE Build i.e. 275-290lbs can stop the run and sack the QB. Moss can rush the QB in College and gets PANCAKED ON WHAT SEEMED LIKE EVERY RUNNING PLAY THAT CAME DIRECTLY AT HIM. RIGHT NOW OTHER TEAMS WILL NOT HAVE TO PASS THE BALL JUST CALL A RUNNING PLAY DIRECTED AT Moss. He reminds me of when gold was ask to play DE and take on takles. They just ran right over him.Incorrect on numerous counts. This board has been begging for a pass rush, or as you would put it, a PASS RUSH. We got the best rushing DE available.

You're just talking out of your a$$ about Moss against the run. I doubt you've watched a game of Florida's, and are making the a$$-umption that because he only weighs 256lbs he can't play the run.

[Dedhed]

Let me CLEARLY show just how much you do not under stand the game of the NFL.

BATES scheme requires
1. DE that are STRONG enough to hold there own against the run Example Jason Taylor
2. Athetic enough to Rush the QB.


MOSS has the ablity to russ the passer but does not seem to have the funtional football strength to hold his own against the run. holding his own means the ablity take on the blocker and force the RB backinto were his help is comming from i.e. the LB, Safetys.

Jason Taylor did not look like a twig and if I rember corectlyhe had great functional football strength and was not a liability against the run.
I'm sure you know more about the type of DEs that Bates wants, but I'll take the fact that we went after Moss aggressively that he might be the kind of DE Bates likes in his scheme.

[Drek]

The DEs in Bates' scheme often line up outside the tackles, he doesn't need the strength to wressle OTs, just the ability to bring down RBs. Moss can do that.

I understand moving up. Jacksonville was probably considering taking Moss at 17 themselves. I would've prefered waiting at 21 and getting Branch, but apprently every team has questions on Branch that we don't clealry see (except the leprosy). But the FO clearly thought Moss was the last difference maker we could get, so they made sure we got him. I prefer that over sitting on our hands and winding up with another overpick.

Moss is a good fit for Bates' system. He can put on a lot of weight and he's got all the skills you want for a DE in Bates' system. He's fast off the snap, keeps guys off his body, and has a nose for the QB. I wouldn't be surprised if he's an every down starter by opening day.

[Vegas_Bronco]

I hope this wasn't already posted:

Mixed criticism, they like the pick but not the trade up -

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg1 align=middle><TD>#</TD><TD>Sel#</TD><TD>Team</TD><TD>Player</TD><TD>Pos.</TD><TD>School</TD></TR><TR class=bg2><TD>17</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>Denver (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/DEN)</TD><TD><NOBR>Jarvis Moss (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/moss_jarvis)</NOBR></TD><TD>DE (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/DE)</TD><TD>Florida (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/FL)</TD></TR><TR class=bg1><TD align=left colSpan=6>Pat Kirwan's Analysis</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 align=middle><TD align=left colSpan=6>Pure speed rusher. It's no secret Denver has wanted one. I like to think of him as a one-dimensional rusher at this point. He's going to have to develop a change-of-direction rush and a bullrush. Denver is trying to improve one of its glaring needs. He had 15 sacks in 13 starts.

Gil Brandt: Jarvis Moss is a player who grew up in the Dallas area, so I'm very familiar with him. He did not play a lot of football in college because of an illness that kept him from gaining weight. He can rush the passer and block kicks -- he saved Florida's BCS title hopes with three blocked kicks against South Carolina. Everyone wants a pass rusher, and he has upside there. He's an outstanding athlete.

Vic Carucci: Moss has the speed and athleticism to make an immediate impact as a pass-rush specialist. He will need to add some bulk and strength to be more of a complete end who can help stop the run. The Broncos have left themselves open to at least a little criticism for giving up quite a bit to land a player who might have been available later. However, if Moss makes enough of a contribution to a team in need of a pass-rush upgrade, their acquisition will be considered a bargain.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=2>17. <A href="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/draftTracker?team=7">DENVER BRONCOS (from Jaguars)
<CENTER>DE JARVIS MOSS, FLORIDA — Profile (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/draft/prospect?contentId=8791027) | Highlights (javascript:msnvDwd('33', 'd3446640-89e8-4669-8995-8a8ad65f84a0', 'us', '', 'm1490', 'foxsports', _mlc);)</CENTER>
</TD></TD><TR class=bgC><TD vAlign=top align=left>CZAR'S FRONT OFFICE TAKE: Florida's Jarvis Moss is a skinny, lanky pass rusher, but he did have two sacks of Heisman winner Troy Smith in the BCS championship game, and if you want speed off the corner, he fits the bill. The Redskins had targeted Moss and Denver wanted to make sure they made a deal so that Washington or some other team couldn't get their hands on him. Another possibility here was Anthony Spencer, who had 26 ½ tackles for losses last season. To move up five spots in the round, the Broncos had to surrender two extra choices (86th and 198th overall) in the draft. The Broncos couldn't sustain a pass rush against top AFC opponents last season, managing only 35 sacks overall. Moss was suspended for a game last season, allegedly for smoking marijuana. SCHRAGER ON THE SCENE: The Broncos do what they do best, and trade up to get the man they want. I love the New York crowd. I don't see a single Jaguars or Broncos fan reacting, but all the Jets and Giants die-hards in fan boo the pick. Doesn't affect them whatsoever — but they boo in unison. Meanwhile, a pair of rowdy friends are being escorted out of the building by security. With John Denver's "Rocky Mountain High" serving as perfect background music, the rest of the crowd start a "Bad News Bears"-esque "Let Them Stay" chant. The Broncos take Jarvis Moss. Brady Quinn update: He was just spotted in Central Park, playing hopscotch with a pack of nine-year-old kids. You should see the intangibles he's displaying out there. Off the charts.
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[cutthemdown]

People always hope for a quick fix from the draft but in reality it doesn't often work out that way. Jarvis Moss will play alot of football for us this year though. It is true that he might not play every single down but that's ok he has the frame to add some more weight over the next 2 yrs. I like the pick as I have said before so I know I'm preaching a little bit here, but I really think people are going to be suprised what he will bring on 3rd downs. He's also very good on special teams and blocks alot of kicks.

[REB]

did he say who the other 2 were?

No he didn't say but he did say that after Green Bay took that DT Harrell that they felt they should make the move and they had discussed with the Jaguars earlier in the week possibly wanting to move up.

I watched it at denverbroncos.com

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

[Dedhed]

Are you always an a-hole, or just today?

So, you think because he's basically the same size as Jason Taylor, he's "a Bates guy?" The guy has been sick. He's not going to play at 255 in the NFL. There aren't many guys 6' 6", 255 that can play 3 downs for 16 games against NFL offensive linemen. Jason Taylor? Great. You pick one guy that plays at that weight, and you decide everyone else needs to be his clone?

Bates system asks DEs to pressure the QB. There is no requirement as to how big they need to be. Are you going to tell me that he would rather have a guy play at 255 than, say, 280 - all things being equal?

Wait, that was a rhetorical question. You answered it already with your first post. ::)

I'm thinking he's a Bate's guy because, um, we picked him, and Bates is our new DC. Where did I say I expect, or want him not to gain any weight or strength? 265-270 would be a perfect weight for Moss. 300 is absurd. Where did I mention Jason Taylor? Do you just take whatever is said on this board and attach it to whoever you get in a debate with?

All things being equal at 255 and 280 doesn't happen. Changing your body that much will change the way he plays the game. It may improve it, but it may not. I don't think Moss needs to get to 280 to be effective in this league.

Moss will need to get stronger, like nearly every rookie coming into the league, but he doesn't need to get to 280, and if he gets to 300 his career will be over.

[Smilin Assassin]

Here's a video link from one of SI's mock drafts on Jarvis:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/specials/draft/2007/video/?c=Mock+Draft&p=86480

[BroncoSoja]

If Denver can secure Kris Jenkins, this team will have improved significantly in the span of a day.


Big if.. If we can't we better do something or teams are going to run all over us next year.

[Atlas]

This is the guy most of the experts had denver taking. He is a good choice. At least he isn't a S or LB.

[ZONA]

Let's all be happy that we went DE, the biggest need on our team. I love Dumer's and I think between him and Moss, we will see consistant pressure on the ends. Moss brings a speed type of rush and that's EXACTLY what we needed. I'd rather give up a yard or two extra on a run to his side then have a guy that's more of a run stuffer but can't get into the backfield. I think the whole key here is that we have bookend corners that can really handle some one on one coverage, allowing the safeties to really help in the run dept. I think Moss can put on some weight but really don't think he needs to put on much. He's a big time athlete with speed and a great frame. Like the pick. Don't sweat the #86 and the 6th rouder. 99% of the time they are just practice squad players and camp cuts.

Also like to point out that Denver hasn't had a lot of "batted" balls at the LOS over the years. This kinda guy can get his long arms up and get those mits on some passes, reach in for some strips, those types of things.

[bpc]

I hope this wasn't already posted:

Mixed criticism, they like the pick but not the trade up -

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg1 align=middle><TD>#</TD><TD>Sel#</TD><TD>Team</TD><TD>Player</TD><TD>Pos.</TD><TD>School</TD></TR><TR class=bg2><TD>17</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>Denver (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/team/DEN)</TD><TD><NOBR>Jarvis Moss (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/moss_jarvis)</NOBR></TD><TD>DE (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/DE)</TD><TD>Florida (http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/school/FL)</TD></TR><TR class=bg1><TD align=left colSpan=6>Pat Kirwan's Analysis</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 align=middle><TD align=left colSpan=6>Pure speed rusher. It's no secret Denver has wanted one. I like to think of him as a one-dimensional rusher at this point. He's going to have to develop a change-of-direction rush and a bullrush. Denver is trying to improve one of its glaring needs. He had 15 sacks in 13 starts.

Gil Brandt: Jarvis Moss is a player who grew up in the Dallas area, so I'm very familiar with him. He did not play a lot of football in college because of an illness that kept him from gaining weight. He can rush the passer and block kicks -- he saved Florida's BCS title hopes with three blocked kicks against South Carolina. Everyone wants a pass rusher, and he has upside there. He's an outstanding athlete.

Vic Carucci: Moss has the speed and athleticism to make an immediate impact as a pass-rush specialist. He will need to add some bulk and strength to be more of a complete end who can help stop the run. The Broncos have left themselves open to at least a little criticism for giving up quite a bit to land a player who might have been available later. However, if Moss makes enough of a contribution to a team in need of a pass-rush upgrade, their acquisition will be considered a bargain.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=2>17. <A href="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/draftTracker?team=7">DENVER BRONCOS (from Jaguars)
<CENTER>DE JARVIS MOSS, FLORIDA — Profile (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/draft/prospect?contentId=8791027) | Highlights (javascript:msnvDwd('33', 'd3446640-89e8-4669-8995-8a8ad65f84a0', 'us', '', 'm1490', 'foxsports', _mlc);)</CENTER>
</TD></TD><TR class=bgC><TD vAlign=top align=left>CZAR'S FRONT OFFICE TAKE: Florida's Jarvis Moss is a skinny, lanky pass rusher, but he did have two sacks of Heisman winner Troy Smith in the BCS championship game, and if you want speed off the corner, he fits the bill. The Redskins had targeted Moss and Denver wanted to make sure they made a deal so that Washington or some other team couldn't get their hands on him. Another possibility here was Anthony Spencer, who had 26 ½ tackles for losses last season. To move up five spots in the round, the Broncos had to surrender two extra choices (86th and 198th overall) in the draft. The Broncos couldn't sustain a pass rush against top AFC opponents last season, managing only 35 sacks overall. Moss was suspended for a game last season, allegedly for smoking marijuana. SCHRAGER ON THE SCENE: The Broncos do what they do best, and trade up to get the man they want. I love the New York crowd. I don't see a single Jaguars or Broncos fan reacting, but all the Jets and Giants die-hards in fan boo the pick. Doesn't affect them whatsoever — but they boo in unison. Meanwhile, a pair of rowdy friends are being escorted out of the building by security. With John Denver's "Rocky Mountain High" serving as perfect background music, the rest of the crowd start a "Bad News Bears"-esque "Let Them Stay" chant. The Broncos take Jarvis Moss. Brady Quinn update: He was just spotted in Central Park, playing hopscotch with a pack of nine-year-old kids. You should see the intangibles he's displaying out there. Off the charts.
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Well if this is the case, then I can't really complain about the trade. If anything, I am stoked that the FO for Denver has their ear to the streets enough to know that Washington wanted to make a move up into the 1st round to take Moss and we beat them to the punch.

If Moss was the guy that WE HAD TO HAVE, and we had to trade up to secure him then I'm okay with the trade.

Hopefully he turns into an amazing player.

[Atlas]

The only time I watched Moss was when he totally dominated in the OSU game. He was the best defensive player on the field.

[Willynowei]

The thing is, Moss can bulk up.... Elvis can't get any taller, or faster.

We'll see what happens, but this kid has a lot of raw skills, good instincts and a big frame.

I love the pick... but probably just because I've been screaming about picks like this for about a decade, now.

Bottom line, Bates clearly believes that a defense wins by staffing the front seven properly, FIRST and foremost.... and I think he's right on target.
I'd look for at least one more DL move and a LB move or two.

Great stuff. I just can't wait for the day we have a defense with some toughness again. A **** disturber rushing off of the edge on every place is a great place to start.

I'm with ya popps. The importance here for me is that this demonstrates the FO is now moving to improve the pass rush. I'm happy they traded up than waiting at 21 simply because that shows that they are not going to be denied a rushing end anymore, they finally are willing to give something up to improve their D-line. This is definitely a step in the right direction, how big, we will see, but right now no one knows.

[Barry Ramey]

The Broncos biggest issue was getting consistent pressure on the QB, not DE's to defend the run. Ekuban and Engelberger are good against the run, but average pass rushers.

I don't understand the fixation about Moss's weight. You put too much weight on him and he loses his speed and becomes a nothing player. What's so bright about that?

They sign a Grady Jackson and they force teams to run outside, so if their scheme is successful, teams will have to run outside and that's where Williams and Gold, plus whoever the other LB and safeties will be, using their speed can get to ther runner before he turns the corner.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I am enjoying this pick more and more. He's been sick for awhile and still played very well in his junior year, including an outstanding showing in the natl. championship game.

Bring it, Jarvis.

[Odysseus]

1. Broncos did not panic. Moss would never have seen 21.

2. Broncos need one of several players and were lucky to get him although the price was really stiff. It's how it played out so it's what it was.

3. It was a solid pick although being an elite pass rusher in the NFL isn't a matter of where you pick it's who you work with. We have Bates.

Let's see if we can keep this one from going Bert Berry.

[-Slap-]

I don't care if Moss gains an ounce and we'll probably never see him get much bigger than 260 pounds.

People who really hate this pick should take a look at one of his highlight videos. its hard not to get excited about a guy with that kind of closing speed. I like how violently he takes down quarterbacks. He really seems to try and dish out some extra punishment when he gets his hands on them.

[Broncoman13]

Moss is the epitomy of a boom or bust player. Like Herc said earlier, when you consistently draft in the 20's you have to take chances on greatness. We aren't going to get a shot at guys like Julius Peppers, Mario Williams, or Gaines Adams. You have to take a player like Jarvis Moss that potentially would have been a top 10 pick in next year's draft. I've heard several people compare him to Jason Taylor as well as Javon Kearse. Kearse probably b/c of the Florida ties (though I think the Freak is a much better athlete) and Taylor b/c of his height and Bates. Bottom line, if he's a poor man's Jason Taylor or Kearse... WE'RE SITTING PRETTY!

Med has some very good things to say about Moss earlier in the month. Med knows his defense like few on this board so I'll trust him!

I'd also like to mention that from what I've seen (I'm not the self-proclaimed Bates expert here!) Moss lined up wide a lot... just like Jason Taylor and Trace Armstrong did for him at Miami. I'm very curious how well his Defense will work with the crew we have at DT. Hopefully tomorrow will allow for us to grab a couple DT's that if nothing else, can eat up a lot of space!

[epicSocialism4tw]

He's aggressive, he tackles well, and he's a playmaker. We now have a playmaker on the defensive line. I'm giddy. ;D

Check this out (from wiki):
"Moss is particularly remembered at the University of Florida for blocking two crucial kicks in the fourth quarter of the Gators' victory over South Carolina. The first block stopped a Gamecock PAT to keep South Carolina's lead at 16-10. The second was a block of a would-be game-winning field goal for South Carolina with 8 seconds left on the clock. The second block secured a 17-16 victory for the Gators."

This guy practically put them in the natl. championship game, and then was the best player on the field for the champions.

I'm beginning to think that we got a steal.

[-Slap-]

He's aggressive, he tackles well, and he's a playmaker. We now have a playmaker on the defensive line. I'm giddy. ;D

Check this out (from wiki):
"Moss is particularly remembered at the University of Florida for blocking two crucial kicks in the fourth quarter of the Gators' victory over South Carolina. The first block stopped a Gamecock PAT to keep South Carolina's lead at 16-10. The second was a block of a would-be game-winning field goal for South Carolina with 8 seconds left on the clock. The second block secured a 17-16 victory for the Gators."

This guy practically put them in the natl. championship game, and then was the best player on the field for the champions.

I'm beginning to think that we got a steal.

I posted an article about Moss' efforts in that game a few months ago. I was trying to find the original post to -Slap- myself on the back, but couldn't locate it.

Factor in his performance in the National Championship Game and Moss is a guy who makes big plays at big moments. A very desirable quality in a player at his position.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I posted an article about Moss' efforts in that game a few months ago. I was trying to find the original post to -Slap- myself on the back, but couldn't locate it.
Factor in his performance in the National Championship Game and Moss is a guy who makes big plays at big moments. A very desirable quality in a player at his position.

We have two passing game playmakers in the secondary, and now we have at least one on the DL. Jarvis is the type of potential player that the Broncos havent seen on the line in ages. Guys like him with that much natural ability combined with the focus and drive in big games to pull out impossible plays like in the SC game are usually top 5 selections.

We robbed somebody with this one.

[2KBack]

It's funny what pre-draft hype can do. I remember watching the National Championship game and thinking that Moss is exactly what Denver could use, but I then became so enamourd with other players leading up to the draft, I was dissapointed with the pick. Scratch that, I was pissed, but I'm warming up to it now. I'm still concerned with the DT and LB positions though.

[-Slap-]

We have two passing game playmakers in the secondary, and now we have at least one on the DL. Jarvis is the type of potential player that the Broncos havent seen on the line in ages. Guys like him with that much natural ability combined with the focus and drive in big games to pull out impossible plays like in the SC game are usually top 5 selections.

We robbed somebody with this one.

Elvis will be one year older and stronger, too. Cutler and Henry will stake us to some leads and we'll be able to pin our ears back with Moss and Doom and cut loose after some people.

[clean]

"One way to stop the passing game is to knock down the passer before he throws the ball," said former Florida defensive end Jarvis Moss, Denver's first-round choice at No. 17. "And that's what I'm all about."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2852567

Apologies if the quote or article is posted elsewhere.

[-Slap-]

"One way to stop the passing game is to knock down the passer before he throws the ball," said former Florida defensive end Jarvis Moss, Denver's first-round choice at No. 17. "And that's what I'm all about."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2852567

Apologies if the quote or article is posted elsewhere.

I'm sure that quote will reappear in lots of siglines around here.

[Broncoman13]

Hope Med doesn't mind, he pays a lot of attention to Defense and has put in a lot of time watching these guys. Here are a few things he's had to say about Jarvis Moss:

Then, that may have been the only game you saw him play. FL had the most active DL in the country, Arkansas was pretty good as well. He man handled LSU, TEN, Arkansas, and Alabama. That was against High level NFL quality players such as Sears and Ugoh. (talking 'bout Jamal Anderson)

The thing about Moss is that he and Harvey rotated sides a lot to keep the OL off balance. Moss opened up things for Harvey all season that Joe Cohen and McDonald did the dirty work for them both. Moss is a great rusher right now, but he is still Raw and weak in his strength and frame. Once he develops, he could be 270 and have a lot more functional strength. He is worth a first rounder as a pure pass rusher right now, but he also has the most developmental upside of any DE in the draft.

I thought long and hard about Spencer v. Moss for my TB #2 pick. I like both of them as RDE one gap rushers. Both are very adept at getting their hips around the outside of the LT and turning the corner. The only one in the same class with them there is Adams. None of the other DE's, despite their being some awesome depth in the pass rushers there, are that capable of taking the edge every down IMHO.

There are more complete DE's, better technique DE's, and bigger DE's. Those three are perfect RDE's in Bates or any one gap RDE scheme and will be drafted that way IMHO. The things Adams and Moss have over Spencer is upside. Spencer is still growing, but Moss and Adams will be able to put 20-25 more lbs on and not bother their frame. Plus, Both are prototype height. Moss needs more reps, but as a one gap DE he does not have a steep learning curve versus other scheme's. He would be able to contribute right away on the main weakness of the defense, pass rush pressure.

[bronco610]

We have two passing game playmakers in the secondary, and now we have at least one on the DL. Jarvis is the type of potential player that the Broncos havent seen on the line in ages. Guys like him with that much natural ability combined with the focus and drive in big games to pull out impossible plays like in the SC game are usually top 5 selections.

We robbed somebody with this one.

Ditto!!!:strong:

[baja]

I'll also add that I don't have problems taking chances on juniors who would be Top 10 picks if they stayed another year, also didn't have problems with the Middlebrooks and Foster picks since those guys would have gone higher if healthy. The Broncos have to take risks like these because they're so consistently good, they're not going to be in position to get elite talents unless they take projects or injury risks.

This is exactly right when you draft in the 20's you got to be creative and take chances or expect "oh hum" talent and a slow downward sprial of your overall team quality

[Bob]

Jason Taylor does not look like a twig. Moss looks like he has neever visited the weight room from the highlights ESPN showed.

O'well I either have to hope for a mirracle or pray this does not turn into the TED Gregory pick part 2.

I think you need to get on Prozac. Our biggest area of need was addressed today -- not every need, but look how systematicly ecah weakness has been dealt with this off-season. We needed a CB, we got one, we needed a guy that can take one cut and run, we got that. We lost a LB to injury, we would like a big guy in the middle. If we dont upgrade LB and/or DT I would be very surprised. Every year we compete well, every year the sky is falling for those that thnk that understand more about the draft, when most folks here havent seen the players they want play in many (or any games) all they know if the fat man can do back-flips -- lets take-em in the third.

[BroncoBuff]

We have two passing game playmakers in the secondary, and now we have at least one on the DL. Jarvis is the type of potential player that the Broncos havent seen on the line in ages. Guys like him with that much natural ability combined with the focus and drive in big games to pull out impossible plays like in the SC game are usually top 5 selections.

We robbed somebody with this one.

ALL ABOARD! :bandwagon

[BroncoBuff]

Watching his highlights, he reminds me more of Demarcus Ware than Jason Taylor.



HEY RAIDER-HATERS! .... looks like Jarvis sacked JaMarcus Russell THREE TIMES in 2005!! www.gatorzone.com/football/bios.php?year=2006&player_id=66

Look at bottom of page - "Career Highs"

[Hercules Rockefeller]

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_5776179

According to Williamson, Anderson was the player Shanahan wouldn't mention that they were targeting, they also tried to move into the Top 10 for Okoye.

[Atlas]

Jason Taylor does not look like a twig. Moss looks like he has neever visited the weight room from the highlights ESPN showed.



Maybe Jason Taylor doesn't look like a twig now. but I pulled up his prom picture from high school.

http://www.buriedinthenoise.com/imgs/stick11.jpg

See there is still hope for Moss.

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Maybe Jason Taylor doesn't look like a twig now. but I pulled up his prom picture from high school.

http://www.buriedinthenoise.com/imgs/stick11.jpg

See there is still hope for Moss.

He went to the prom with a Bic pen? What a sick bastard.

[Play2win]

I'll also add that I don't have problems taking chances on juniors who would be Top 10 picks if they stayed another year, also didn't have problems with the Middlebrooks and Foster picks since those guys would have gone higher if healthy. The Broncos have to take risks like these because they're so consistently good, they're not going to be in position to get elite talents unless they take projects or injury risks.

DYNAMITE POST!!!!!

POTY... It is one of those categorical truths so articulately verbalized.

Great post, HR.

[Dedhed]

Maybe Jason Taylor doesn't look like a twig now. but I pulled up his prom picture from high school.

http://www.buriedinthenoise.com/imgs/stick11.jpg

See there is still hope for Moss.

Moss looks pretty well built pulling those parachutes in the ESPN draft promo.

[Play2win]

Are you always an a-hole, or just today?



I think he was trying to do his best DomCasual impersonation...

[cmhargrove]

I think all the Moss detractors will change their tune in training camp. When he starts making plays in training camp, we'll all be fans.

[broncs2bowl]

Mark my words Moss will be a star

[BroncoBuff]

Mark my words Moss will be a star

I'll mark your words alright ... just gimme a link where you said that before we picked him.


Hmmm ? ?




ALL ABOARD!! :bandwagon

[Clockwork Orange]

I had this as my avatar with the tag line "Keep him in orange & blue" for a while before the draft. :~ohyah!:

[Clockwork Orange]

Get ready to see this for years to come.

http://www.gatorgallery.com/albums/album119/Intl_Photos_8790543_1.jpg

:yayaya:

[BroncoBuff]

I had this as my avatar with the tag line "Keep him in orange & blue" for a while before the draft. :~ohyah!:

Wow ... if that's true, I owe you my avatar.

[Clockwork Orange]

Wow ... if that's true, I owe you my avatar.

It's true. I remember you PMing me the night that I changed it to that to ask if I'd just changed it because dementia runs in your family. :)

[BroncoBuff]

I did? Show me the PM, and my avatar is yours for ... what did I say? Three days? ::)

[Clockwork Orange]

I did? Show me the PM, and my avatar is yours for ... what did I say? Three days? ::)

I don't have the PM anymore, but it's alright. I don't want your avatar, this isn't about saying I was right or anything because despite the fact that I liked Moss, I didn't think they'd actually draft him.

I'm just excited that we've got a pure pass rusher to fit in our new scheme.

[Odysseus]

Mmmmm. Broncobuff eats crow! MMMM!

[Odysseus]

I don't have the PM anymore, but it's alright. I don't want your avatar, this isn't about saying I was right or anything because despite the fact that I liked Moss, I didn't think they'd actually draft him.

I'm just excited that we've got a pure pass rusher to fit in our new scheme.

Exactly. How the **** is anybody here going to KNOW what the Broncos are going to draft or why? Why can't you like a couple of different players? I wanted DL for years and nowhere in my thinking were were going to get it and now here we are with essentially three first day picks. What are they going to do? Um. Go to training camp? No?

[BroncoBuff]

I don't have the PM anymore, but it's alright. I don't want your avatar, this isn't about saying I was right or anything because despite the fact that I liked Moss, I didn't think they'd actually draft him.

I'm just excited that we've got a pure pass rusher to fit in our new scheme.

I couldn't find it in my PM outbox .... maybe it was a rep note? And I was kidding about dementia of course.

I like him now too ... he reminds me more of Demarcus Ware than Javon Kearse, though. I don't see the Kearse comparison much.






And if anybody witnesses seeing your props for Moss at 21, then my avy's yours for a month. I shot my mouth off, so I'l eat the crow. But somebody's gotta second it ... that's only fair.

[BroncoBuff]

Mmmmm. Broncobuff eats crow! MMMM!

Tastes like chicken, right? Tiger ... right? Uhh

[Clockwork Orange]

Seriously, don't worry about it. Let's just welcome our new DE with open arms.

http://daltonmelnyk.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/moss-block.jpg

:yep:

[REB]

Seriously, don't worry about it. Let's just welcome our new DE with open arms.

http://daltonmelnyk.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/moss-block.jpg

:yep:

Man that kid has quite the vertical leap doesn't he? 8')

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Jarvis Moss, #1 Cock Blocker

I was there, that was an awesome game.

[Odysseus]

Tastes like chicken! :thumbsup:

What's wrong Buff? Running out of hot sauce?

Stop offering up your avatar. Show Coubert some respect!

[Garcia Bronco]

I expect to many blocked passes from this guy...he's just huge.

[bloodsunday]

Love the pick, just not how we got him. Could have gotten him at 21.

I agree with this 100%.

[BroncoBuff]

What's wrong Buff? Running out of hot sauce?

Stop offering up your avatar. Show Coubert some respect!

ROFL! You're right! I am so easy ...

But the sig works, right?

[Odysseus]

ROFL! You're right! I am so easy ...

But the sig works, right?

Imagine you are a Dolphins fan explaining Tedd Ginn in the 9th.
Imagine you are an Eagles fan and you have to explain this draft.
Imagine you are a Chiefs fan explaining well...why you are Chiefs fan.

We have it pretty good around here win or lose.