Rumor: Broncos trading up to 14

[Kaylore]

Saw this on Broncomania:

Todd Mcshay on Espn just said that the Broncos are trying to trade with the Panthers to the #14 spot. They want to get ahead of the Steelers because they think the Steelers are also looking to pick DE.

[Kaylore]

For what it's worth, 14 is my lucky number. :D

[Rohirrim]

Carriker! Come to papa.

[Kaylore]

Confirmed by another
Just heard on ESPN we are trade talks with Carolina for the 14th pick. They want a safety and its to early to pick one(after Landry) and we want DE Jamaal Anderson, so we would need to jump infront of Pitt

I like 14. It's not something we would overpay for in picks or salary at that pick and it's a place where an impact player likely would fall. It's lucky, too. ;D

[Hotrod]

Depends on the cost. Im all for Dline but LB scares me as of right now.

Any chance Jenkins is involved???

[Popcorn Sutton]

Depends on the cost. Im all for Dline but LB scares me as of right now.

Any chance Jenkins is involved???

I was just thinking the same thing.

[Atwater His Ass]

Looks like Shanny is sending out a lot of mixed signals. Moving to #2, #10, #14. It appears we are trying to make a move up but if we are targeting specific players, I would prefer to wait until draft day to actually deal.

At the end of the day, I woudln't be surprised if we stay at #21 either. Who the hell knows.

[Hotrod]

Looks like Shanny is sending out a lot of mixed signals. Moving to #2, #10, #14. It appears we are trying to make a move up but if we are targeting specific players, I would prefer to wait until draft day to actually deal.

At the end of the day, I woudln't be surprised if we stay at #21 either. Who the hell knows.

I agree

I usually dont believe 1% of the rumors I hear this time of year.....but this is getting silly...............where there is smoke there is fire.

[Clockwork Orange]

All this trade up talk has to be making SoCal's colon clench. ;D

[MABroncoFan]

What pick(s) would we have to deal along with 21 to get to 14 based on the value of the picks?

[footstepsfrom#27]

Why does this stuff keep making the news? Does anybody seriously think 3/4 of the teams in the league are not talking with each other about possible deals? I think Denver's trying to position itself with as many potential trade agreements as possible just to prepare for the possibility somebody's there that they weren't anticipating. It's a lot tougher to negotiate something in 15 minutes with the clock winding down than it is to have it lined up ahead of time.

With the way these media pundits are going at this you'd think somebody's got a hidden mic on Mike. I bet Shanahan's sittin' back and laughing at all this rubbish.

[BroncoInferno]

I would hope there would be a hold on this move until Carolina is on the clock. You don't want to try and move up to trump a team while leaving them time to trump your trump.

[telluride]

No Carriker. No Nebraska underachievers.

[BroncoInferno]

Why does this stuff keep making the news? Does anybody seriously think 3/4 of the teams in the league are not talking with each other about possible deals? I think Denver's trying to position itself with as many potential trade agreements as possible just to prepare for the possibility somebody's there that they weren't anticipating. It's a lot tougher to negotiate something in 15 minutes with the clock winding down than it is to have it lined up ahead of time.

Yep. Shanny and the boys are lining up contingency trades in the the event specific players are still available at a specific spot. I'd be surprised if they pulled the trigger on any of these moves until the potential trade partner is on the clock and they know for certain the target is available.

[Barry Ramey]

I'm just not high on Carriker myself, at least for the Bronco defense.

[NFLBRONCO]

If we move up we can ensure a shot at Ginn
:)

[ZONA]

This week has more drama and fantasy then all of Hollywood.

I can't wait for the draft

[Barry Ramey]

If we move up we can ensure a shot at Ginn
:)

Ugh!

[cutthemdown]

Panthers may be looking to draft a TE or Saftey. So moving down would certianly make sense at this point. I doubt either of the top 2 TE will be gone by 21. One of the high rated saftey's will also prob still be there.

[baja]

Looks like Shanny is sending out a lot of mixed signals. Moving to #2, #10, #14. It appears we are trying to make a move up but if we are targeting specific players, I would prefer to wait until draft day to actually deal.

At the end of the day, I woudln't be surprised if we stay at #21 either. Who the hell knows.

Maybe the 10 and 14 move is really and effort to get Detroit to trade that 2 pick

[Popcorn Sutton]

If we move up we can ensure a shot at Ginn
:)

OMG, please no.

[BroncoInferno]

If we move up we can ensure a shot at Ginn
:)

I would hate Ginn at #21; if we actually traded up to get that bean pole I would pull a Garcia :garcia:

[NFLBRONCO]

Ugh!

I was kidding but, we have heard about Anderson Branch Willis and zero word on Ginn fits Denvers MO.

[Paladin]

If they are talking 14, that eliminates Willis. It has to be Anderson.....

[Paladin]

Saw this on Broncomania:

But, but ......, who believes anything that comes from that board, eh?

:giggle:

[Garcia Bronco]

I would hate Ginn at #21; if we actually traded up to get that bean pole I would pull a Garcia :garcia:

!#$%!$#% Lelie....Ted and Mike owe me.

[BroncoInferno]

!#$%!$#% Lelie....Ted and Mike owe me.


You may want to put all valuables out of reach on Saturday, just to be the safe side. I know I will ;D

[eddie mac]

I wouldn't be surprised if this rumoured move involved Jenkins as well if the Rams deal isn't done.

Maybe 14 and Jenkins for 21, 56, 86 and Stephen Alexander.

[BroncoInferno]

I wouldn't be surprised if this rumoured move involved Jenkins as well if the Rams deal isn't done.

Maybe 14 and Jenkins for 21, 56, 86 and Stephen Alexander.

If we could somehow manage to land Anderson and Jenkins in a single move, I would feel very good about our DL in '07.

[Popcorn Sutton]

I wouldn't be surprised if this rumoured move involved Jenkins as well if the Rams deal isn't done.

Maybe 14 and Jenkins for 21, 56, 86 and Stephen Alexander.

Jenkins plus a stud DE would be a nice move.

[Rascal]

I wouldn't be surprised if this rumoured move involved Jenkins as well if the Rams deal isn't done.

Maybe 14 and Jenkins for 21, 56, 86 and Stephen Alexander.

I just went.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

For all you Ginn Haters, WATCH TAPE ON THIS GUY. I know most people on this board talk about players, strengths, weaknesses, and never actually saw them take one snap. If you've watched Ginn, you'd know this guy is a game changer and can take it to the house each time he touches the ball. He'd make a great vertical complement to Walker. Not to mention he'd impact the ST. Would be a great pick.

I'm also all for Anderson and Carriker because of their size and agility. I got very sick of seeing an undersized broncos line get blown off the ball last year. We need someone to fill a similar role to what Courteney Brown did a couple years ago. Both seem to be beasts. I'd support a move to 14

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

The only way Carolina trades down from 14 is if Willis and Levi Brown are already gone. They are praying that one of those two drop to them.

[cmhargrove]

If we could somehow manage to land Anderson and Jenkins in a single move, I would feel very good about our DL in '07.

This man speaks the truth!!!

I like pick 14. Great position without putting your team in hock. If we got 2 starters on day 1 it would be a huge success, especially if they were both D-line.

[Rascal]

The only way Carolina trades down from 14 is if Willis and Levi Brown are already gone. They are praying that one of those two drop to them.

Carolina needs a LB, safety, and TE more then they need an offensive tackle IMO.

[MechanicalBull]

Carolina probably wants to drop down a few slots and pick Olsen the TE out of Miami.

[Popcorn Sutton]

This man speaks the truth!!!

I like pick 14. Great position without putting your team in hock. If we got 2 starters on day 1 it would be a huge success, especially if they were both D-line.

Amen.

[NFLBRONCO]

If we made that trade I'd expect Ginn or Anderson at 14.

[watermock]

I have allready installed the chicken wire ala Blues Brothers gig at the bar that plays both kinds of music...Country AND Western.

Shanahan missed his true calling as CIA minister of disinformation regarding UFO's.

I'm more on board for 10/14 for both value and price. I don't feel like doling out a 30M SB and two firsts+ for Calvin. All your eggs in one basket is only for a franchise QB IMO.

A move to 14 would position us almost exactly where we were on draft day when we snagged Cutler in one last minor jump. I still am amazed we managed that from 29 and still had our other first...even that we made the most of that too, and I expected a much higher pick than 22 from Washington.

While Dove Valley is clammed up tighter than a sequestered nun, that doesn't mean other braggarts are as loose lipped as Brittany Spears. (make a mental picture)

If there is one golden rule with Shanahan and Sundy, I will believe it when I see it. I am however, 99% sure there will be some move up.

[Hotrod]

If we made that trade I'd expect Ginn or Anderson at 14.

If its about Ginn the we better get Jenkins in the deal.

Also if we move up and take Ginn I will certainly be on the mane because the posting/meltdowns would be AWESOME......mine included.

[CBF1]

14 sounds like a good spot to pick up Branch.

Oh hell no to Ginn in the 2nd round, let alone the 1st.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Carolina probably wants to drop down a few slots and pick Olsen the TE out of Miami.
I heard they want to move up for Calvin Johnson. My ex brother-in-law's cousin's boyfriend's uncle's ex wife's plumber was installing a toilet in Panther headquarters and got the scoop. If that fails they'll be taking either Anderson, Landry, Brown, Gaines, Branch, Peterson or Willis...unless they take Carriker of course...:wiggle:

[Crushaholic]

For all you Ginn Haters, WATCH TAPE ON THIS GUY. I know most people on this board talk about players, strengths, weaknesses, and never actually saw them take one snap. If you've watched Ginn, you'd know this guy is a game changer and can take it to the house each time he touches the ball. He'd make a great vertical complement to Walker. Not to mention he'd impact the ST. Would be a great pick.


Various people in the past month have made this point I'm about to repeat. Return guys are useless without good blocking from the special teams. We fix that, we don't have to overpay for a return man...

[NFLBRONCO]

If its about Ginn the we better get Jenkins in the deal.

Also if we move up and take Ginn I will certainly be on the mane because the posting/meltdowns would be AWESOME......mine included.

Well I just brought Ginn up because I knew Denver liked him alot. If we got Jenkins in this deal it had to move up Ginn on our draft board. Like you I'd rather grab Anderson to really bolster line. Since his name hasn't surfaced at all it seems to fit Denver being quiet about him so a selection of Ginn would not shock me.

[footstepsfrom#27]

14 sounds like a good spot to pick up Branch.

Oh hell no to Ginn in the 2nd round, let alone the 1st.
Before there was Dante Hall or Devin Hester, there was Billy "white shoes" Johnson. Ted Ginn is the closest thing I've ever seen to that. What he does with the ball in his hands is jaw dropping. Yes we have bigger needs...but we could also address those needs and still come up short. It's conceivable this guy shortens the field by a hundred yards a game. I don't want to move up for him but if he's there at 21 I won't cry about it if they take him.

[MechanicalBull]

I heard they want to move up for Calvin Johnson. My ex brother-in-law's cousin's boyfriend's uncle's ex wife's plumber was installing a toilet in Panther headquarters and got the scoop. If that fails they'll be taking either Anderson, Landry, Brown, Gaines, Branch, Peterson or Willis...unless they take Carriker of course...:wiggle:

Did he mention anything about Jenkins? Or maybe he can try and convince Peppers to leave and go to Denver. ;D

[RocBronc]

For all you Ginn Haters, WATCH TAPE ON THIS GUY. I know most people on this board talk about players, strengths, weaknesses, and never actually saw them take one snap. If you've watched Ginn, you'd know this guy is a game changer and can take it to the house each time he touches the ball. He'd make a great vertical complement to Walker. Not to mention he'd impact the ST. Would be a great pick.

I'm also all for Anderson and Carriker because of their size and agility. I got very sick of seeing an undersized broncos line get blown off the ball last year. We need someone to fill a similar role to what Courteney Brown did a couple years ago. Both seem to be beasts. I'd support a move to 14

I have watched tape on Ginn... What I see is Desmond Howard part 2. A great return man but a total bust at receiver mainly due to his size and route running (or lack thereof) ability. I don't think a player of that ability is worth the 21st pick.

[Kaylore]

But, but ......, who believes anything that comes from that board, eh?

:giggle:

I think you're confusing them with what people say about PFT. The criticism regularly leveled against Broncomania is that their message board population has too many prepubescent homers with sigs that are a page long that say "OMG f433 tHu/\/\P!!111!"

[U GOT JACKED UP]

Hopefully Jenkins is involved if a trade with the panthers goes down

[telluride]

Don't discount the idea of a parlay. Shanny uses #10 or #14 to move up even higher.

[ant1999e]

All these rumors are just a smokescreen. Big Mike will never show his hand. Won't even give a clue to what he has planned.

[TheChamp24]

All right, what freakin pick are we not moving to? 1? 3?

[GonzoLays]

Without a shadow of a doubt, we are going OT in the first round.

THE GREAT GONZOLAYS!!!

[ScottXray]

14 is a GOOD spot. If anything falls we pick it up, if not we try to move back down. Jenkins in the deal allows us to go with the best available player whether its D-end, safety or LB, or maybe a premier OT falls. With Jenkins the D-line becomes a lessened priority. That would HAVE to be part of the deal.

14 and Jenkins for 21, 56, 3B and a provisional 3 or 4 next year. Not sure how this works on the charts...

Ginn would be a horrible REACH at 14. Say no to clowns.

:spit:

[OrangeShadow]

i heard this on mike and mike this morning

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Carolina needs a LB, safety, and TE more then they need an offensive tackle IMO.

They are desperate for a LT Wharton was bad in 2005 and then got hurt last year. They had to move Jordon Gross over. You are right they need a S and a TE but can skate by if necessary for another year at TE and get a S in round 2/3.

[mhgaffney]

Carriker plays both DT and DE. That flexibility would allow us to fill two needs with one pick.

So why is this not a good idea?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

14 is a GOOD spot. If anything falls we pick it up, if not we try to move back down.

Teams do not trade to spots and hope they like what falls to them. This trade doesn't happen until Carolina is on the clock and the guy Denver wants (Anderson) is there.

[Los Broncos]

All this talk of trades, moving up, down all around is making my spin.

[watermock]

Once the spinning stops, you will sober up and probably be angry.

ESPN is allready in 24/7 draft mode.

[Los Broncos]

Once the spinning stops, you will sober up and probably be angry.

ESPN is allready in 24/7 draft mode.

I see they have draft specials on. Do your spins ever stop mock?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Carriker plays both DT and DE. That flexibility would allow us to fill two needs with one pick.

So why is this not a good idea?

Because he can't play 2 positions at once?

[Requiem]

Thank God we have Hercules here. **** Adam CArriker he's a sloth. Check out my new avatar. ****HIM.

[Triplelefthook]

I wouldn't be surprised if this rumoured move involved Jenkins as well if the Rams deal isn't done.

Maybe 14 and Jenkins for 21, 56, 86 and Stephen Alexander.


I would love this type of scenario

[Master___Pain]

Thank God we have Hercules here. **** Adam CArriker he's a sloth. Check out my new avatar. ****HIM.

Overly defensive husker fan in 10.....9.....8.....7....6......5.....

[Requiem]

Hey what's up Master Pain!?

[Paladin]

Why not keep 56 and give 70 instead? Maybe throw in Nate Jackson and Hixson/Morgan.......

[Requiem]

How Nate Jackson is still in the NFL is beyond me. At least we have Sauerbrun back to heckle him for being a little whimp at training camp.

[Master___Pain]

Hey what's up Master Pain!?

Same ol, same ol. Waiting for the Nuggs game to start and trying to keep up with all the draft stuff. It's been fun reading your draft takes. I may not always agree with your football takes, but you do a good job with researching the draft.

[broncs2bowl]

I would love this! I bet you it happens when Carolina is on the clock and the person they want(Willis) is already off the board. Like someone mentioned before 14 and Jenkins for 21, 56, 86 and maybe Stephen Alexander would just make me wanna LALA

[TheDave]

It's official, were staying put @ 21

[Requiem]

Same ol, same ol. Waiting for the Nuggs game to start and trying to keep up with all the draft stuff. It's been fun reading your draft takes. I may not always agree with your football takes, but you do a good job with researching the draft.

Hey man thanks a lot, this Carriker thing is really just be trying to push the buttons of the Nebraska fans. I'm not that high on him either, but meh.

I'm pullin' for the Nuggets tonight too, since Orlando seems to be sucking big time.

Enjoy the game and draft weekend.

Maybe Crosby will be kicked our way? :D

[mattob14]

I wouldn't be surprised if this rumoured move involved Jenkins as well if the Rams deal isn't done.

Maybe 14 and Jenkins for 21, 56, 86 and Stephen Alexander.

Maybe the best scenario I've seen yet. Fix the DL and keep #70 to address other needs. Anderson, Jenkins, and Warren would make the DL pretty good next year.

[NYBronco]

The Broncos have been rumored to move up, down and out since the season ended.

No offense, but I think I will wait until Sunday morning to make my Bronco picks and thank the football draft gods the wait is finally over.

[bap454]

I wouldn't be surprised if this rumoured move involved Jenkins as well if the Rams deal isn't done.

Maybe 14 and Jenkins for 21, 56, 86 and Stephen Alexander.

Now I am in need of serious clarification--- is jenkins officially a
Ram or not??

[Rohirrim]

Funny that nobody mentions Okoye.

[Requiem]

I'd love Okoye, but Washington likes him, he could reunited with Petrino in Atlanta, Miami and St. Louis are possibilities as well. I can't see him dropping that far. Maybe. That'd be hot.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I dont understand your hate of carriker. He's a big DL who wont get blown off the ball...Also very athletic...we'd be lucky to have him

[Rascal]

The problem with Carriker is that IMO he is a two down DE, and can't rush the passer from the DE spot and that is what we need.

Anderson IMO can defend against the run just as well as Carriker and also rush the passer. Carriker is a work out warrior whose performance this past year was not that great, but due to his great workouts as risen considerably. I'd rather have the guy who put up the great numbers in both areas.

[Bob]

I would hate Ginn at #21; if we actually traded up to get that bean pole I would pull a Garcia :garcia:

I think that he is one of two players that the Broncos have targeted. At first I thought that there is no way that Shanny would go after a WR, but the more I thought about his disapointments with the offence recently, the more I started to wonder.

[longtimer]

If we move up we can ensure a shot at Ginn
:)

Picking Ginn in the first round would be comparable to when the Bronco's drafted Ted Gregory in the first round.


Please do not draft this looser.

[ScottXray]

Why not keep 56 and give 70 instead? Maybe throw in Nate Jackson and Hixson/Morgan.......

Just the move from 21 to 14 is 300 points....thats a late 2nd round pick... so maybe if we had the 1st pick in the third, but 70 is about 60 points off... Our 56 is 340 points. Add Jenkins (which is mid to high 2nd also) and it takes more than Jackson and Hixson/Morgan to do the deal, since they have no real value to Carolina on DRAFT day. 21+ 56,or 21 + 70 and 86 is a little to their advantage without Jenkins in the deal, say an early 4th or real late 3rd value (to make it even for us).
Their is no advantage to them to move back unless they gain something from the deal. Unless we offer them something the deal doesn't happen. What that might be (provisional 2nd or 3rd next year for Jenkins?) is what the guessing is about....and whether we REALLY want to move up, down or are just posturing. Just like every other team.

[Atlas]

If its about Ginn the we better get Jenkins in the deal.

Also if we move up and take Ginn I will certainly be on the mane because the posting/meltdowns would be AWESOME......mine included.

If that happens I'll be laughing at you all!!!!

[Elway777]

I seen this trade that Broncos trade our 1 and 2 for the 14 pick plus 5 round pick.The Broncos could target Carriker,Anderson or Branch with the 14 pick.

[OrangeShadow]

wasnt anderson considered a top 10 pick once? now kiper has him falling to 21?

[Atlas]

Picking Ginn in the first round would be comparable to when the Bronco's drafted Ted Gregory in the first round.


Please do not draft this looser.

Picking Ginn in the first round would be comparable to picking Dante Hall or Hester in the first round.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Another gem from PFT... :gus:


BRONCOS, TEXANS TALKING TRADE

Adam Caplan and Tony Pauline of Scout.com report that the Texans and the Broncos are negotiating a trade that would result in the two teams trading the No. 10 and No. 21 overall picks in the draft.

In moving to No. 10, the Broncos reportedly would be targeting linebacker Patrick Willis, defensive tackle Amobi Okoye, and defensive end Adam Carriker. The primary target could be Willis -- and landing a spot in front of the 49ers will help to ensure that they get him.

It's unclear what the Broncos will be given up to climb eleven spots. Under the trade chart, the move is worth 500 points.

Denver's second-round pick (No. 56 overall) is worth 340 points. The Broncos' third-round pick (No. 86 overall) is worth 160 points.

And that's a total of 500 points.

The Texans don't have a second-round pick, due to the Matt Schaub trade. They hold the ninth pick (No. 73 overall) in round three.

[DB84FAN]

Denver should give up all picks this year and next years 1st 2nd and 3rd to carolina and take steve smith, julius peppers and jenkins. And call it a draft.

[Atlas]

That would be in my eyes the worst trade senario. Denver giving up three draft picks for a LB... To me that would suck.

[Broncoman13]

Confirmed by another


I like 14. It's not something we would overpay for in picks or salary at that pick and it's a place where an impact player likely would fall. It's lucky, too. ;D


Early 3rd enough? I'm not sure it is, but that would be ideal. Give up one of our 3rds to move up 5-7 slots. 13 is my lucky number, but if 14 is your's I'll settle! :D

We need to do lunch one of these days. What part of town do you work in?

[BroncoBuff]

14 is a GOOD spot. If anything falls we pick it up, if not we try to move back down. Jenkins in the deal allows us to go with the best available player whether its D-end, safety or LB, or maybe a premier OT falls. With Jenkins the D-line becomes a lessened priority. That would HAVE to be part of the deal.

14 and Jenkins for 21, 56, 3B and a provisional 3 or 4 next year. Not sure how this works on the charts...

Ginn would be a horrible REACH at 14. Say no to clowns.


Every.Single.Word ... rep.

[sirhcyennek81]

Good thing this is all speculation and actually going to happen...


:Broncos:

[Broncoman13]

The problem with Carriker is that IMO he is a two down DE, and can't rush the passer from the DE spot and that is what we need.

Anderson IMO can defend against the run just as well as Carriker and also rush the passer. Carriker is a work out warrior whose performance this past year was not that great, but due to his great workouts as risen considerably. I'd rather have the guy who put up the great numbers in both areas.


Jarvis Moss has put up good numbers in both areas. Jamal Anderson is a one year wonder. Med has mentioned scouts being more than a little concerned that his production was a product of the scheme he played in.

Carriker is a 2 down DE. The beauty of Carriker is that he's big enough AND strong enough to move inside on 3rd downs... and be a productive DT vs the pass. I think people discount his pass rushing skills as well. He's the best DE in this draft in terms of technique and ability to use his hands, he just doesn't have the speed of a Gaines Adams, Moss, or Spencer.

My personal choice would be Patrick Willis if we were to trade up. After Willis you can go with Carriker, Okoye, Anderson, Harrell, Landry, and Branch.

This draft is shaping up beautifully for teams like the Chefs, Chargers, and Pats. The Chargers will likely get either Ginn, Meachem, or Jarrett. The Chefs will have their pick of Blalock or Grubbs. The Pats could end up with Poz AND Staley/Grubbs/Blalock. It's sickening!

[BroncoBuff]

Just the move from 21 to 14 is 300 points....thats a late 2nd round pick... so maybe if we had the 1st pick in the third, but 70 is about 60 points off... Our 56 is 340 points. Add Jenkins (which is mid to high 2nd also) and it takes more than Jackson and Hixson/Morgan to do the deal, since they have no real value to Carolina on DRAFT day.
Excellent numbers crunching there, X.

I agree Hixon/Morgan might not be too valuable to them, but Stephen Alexander - although not too valuable alone - might be enough to tip that scale. We don't need him, and the Panthers definitely need TEs - plural.

[azbroncfan]

Panthers may be looking to draft a TE or Saftey. So moving down would certianly make sense at this point. I doubt either of the top 2 TE will be gone by 21. One of the high rated saftey's will also prob still be there.

Makes sense as Carolina can grab Miami TE at 21 and not reach.

[Rascal]

Jarvis Moss has put up good numbers in both areas. Jamal Anderson is a one year wonder. Med has mentioned scouts being more than a little concerned that his production was a product of the scheme he played in.

Carriker is a 2 down DE. The beauty of Carriker is that he's big enough AND strong enough to move inside on 3rd downs... and be a productive DT vs the pass. I think people discount his pass rushing skills as well. He's the best DE in this draft in terms of technique and ability to use his hands, he just doesn't have the speed of a Gaines Adams, Moss, or Spencer.

My personal choice would be Patrick Willis if we were to trade up. After Willis you can go with Carriker, Okoye, Anderson, Harrell, Landry, and Branch.

This draft is shaping up beautifully for teams like the Chefs, Chargers, and Pats. The Chargers will likely get either Ginn, Meachem, or Jarrett. The Chefs will have their pick of Blalock or Grubbs. The Pats could end up with Poz AND Staley/Grubbs/Blalock. It's sickening!

We had better not move up for Harrell, we can get him at 21.

Pats can have Poz. I don't think he is anything special IMO. He is a WLB, and not an impressive one at that IMO.

[fdf]

For all you Ginn Haters, WATCH TAPE ON THIS GUY. I know most people on this board talk about players, strengths, weaknesses, and never actually saw them take one snap. If you've watched Ginn, you'd know this guy is a game changer and can take it to the house each time he touches the ball. He'd make a great vertical complement to Walker. Not to mention he'd impact the ST. Would be a great pick.

I have watched tape. He spends way too much time running east and west and even back toward his own goal line. That may work in college; but his raw speed advantage in the pros is gong to go from 0.5 seconds in the 40 to 0.15 seconds. That's not enuf to run the way he does.

[Kaylore]

I have watched tape. He spends way too much time running east and west and even back toward his own goal line. That may work in college; but his raw speed advantage in the pros is gong to go from 0.5 seconds in the 40 to 0.15 seconds. That's not enuf to run the way he does.

Not to mention he can run all of three routes. How that for polished? At least he wears glasses....that he doesn't need. :pimp:

[Hulamau]

IF we can land Willis that would be just fine he and DJ anchor the LB corp for years.

[BombsOverBaghdad]

I would love this type of scenario

I was thinking the same thing -- moving Alexander would be a win - win.

[drail 24 48]

Take willis. And maybe trade gold to houston to save our 2nd rounder and get some DL with it. That way DJ gets back on weakside

[Rohirrim]

What has been the weakest link on the Broncos for years? The pass rush. Willis looks like a great LB. Maybe even HOF material. Who knows? How would he help our pass rush? No. I want Carriker. He's another Howie Long. Book it (and I'm a Buffs fan. I hate the Cornholers!)

[SouthStndJunkie]

The problem with Carriker is that IMO he is a two down DE, and can't rush the passer from the DE spot and that is what we need.

Anderson IMO can defend against the run just as well as Carriker and also rush the passer. Carriker is a work out warrior whose performance this past year was not that great, but due to his great workouts as risen considerably. I'd rather have the guy who put up the great numbers in both areas.

Not true. Carriker put up numbers very similar to the other top five defensive ends in the draft.

Stats:

Gaines Adams: 28 career sacks.---44.5 career TFL-----22 sacks in last 2 years played.

Jamaal Anderson: 17.5 career sacks-----32.0 career TFL-----17.5 sacks in last 2 years played

Adam Carriker: 20.5 career sacks-----41.0 career TFL-----16.5 sacks in last 2 years played.

Jarvis Moss: 15.0 career sacks-----20.0 career TFL-----15.0 sacks in last 2 years played.

Anthony Spencer: 21.0 career sacks----44.0 career TFL----13.5 sacks in last 2 years played.

[broncswin]

I do not want anyone from NU

[Rohirrim]

I do not want anyone from NU

I feel the same way about the Big Ten. ;D

Once he puts on the Orange & Blue jersey, he'll look okay. I've got to admit, I never thought I'd have that red in my avatar. Kind of gives me the heebie jeebies.

[Drek]

Not true. Carriker put up numbers very similar to the other top five defensive ends in the draft.

Stats:

Gaines Adams: 28 career sacks.---44.5 career TFL-----22 sacks in last 2 years played.

Jamaal Anderson: 17.5 career sacks-----32.0 career TFL-----17.5 sacks in last 2 years played

Adam Carriker: 20.5 career sacks-----41.0 career TFL-----16.5 sacks in last 2 years played.

Jarvis Moss: 15.0 career sacks-----20.0 career TFL-----15.0 sacks in last 2 years played.

Anthony Spencer: 21.0 career sacks----44.0 career TFL----13.5 sacks in last 2 years played.

You're comparing a four year vet who's started for several years to a bunch of early exits who haven't gotten nearly the time to produce.

Anderson for example didn't start until five games into the '05 season, he's still amassed more sacks and TFL than Carriker over the past two years.

Carriker isn't going to be the pass rushing threat he was in college at the NFL level. Thats not to say he isn't a going to be very good. I think he'll be a lot like Justin Smith. He'll hover in the 7.5-9.5 sack range, put up 50-60 tackles a year, and be a good all around DE against both the run and pass. Those numbers might drop a bit if he's taken by a 3-4 team, though I think there he'll be even more effective despite lacking the flashy numbers.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Carriker is going to be a solid LDE who can slide to DT here and there. His versatility is a big asset in my opinion.

He will probably be a 7-8 sack a year guy and will play the run well.

If given the choice I would take Anderson over him, but I was simply pointing out the fact that his numbers are comparable to the others in the top five. Interpret them how you will, but the numbers don't lie.

[Master___Pain]

. I've got to admit, I never thought I'd have that red in my avatar. Kind of gives me the heebie jeebies.

Please turn in your buff card. You can shill for Carriker all you want but no buff would ever have a Husker, especially one clad in red, for their avatar willingly. Hand it over.

[Rohirrim]

Please turn in your buff card. You can shill for Carriker all you want but no buff would ever have a Husker, especially one clad in red, for their avatar willingly. Hand it over.

I formally entered my apologies in the Buffs thread. As soon as Adam is wearing Orange & Blue, I'll change it. ;D

[HorseHead]

you might be surprised at how Willis may fall a bit...I honestly think we have a shot at either Anderson or Willis at 21, crazy, but call it a hunch...

[Hotrod]

If Willis is on the board at #21 alot of people need fired. Of course on draft day crazy **** happens.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Carriker is solid, nothing more. He might have a lower chance of busting compared to Anderson or Branch, but the latter two have a ceiling that Carriker doesn't come close to touching.