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bendog
04-25-2007, 11:08 AM
This is from my local rag, clairion ledger, last Sunday.
The writer, Rick Clevland, is an OK columnist. Actually, imo, he's really better than anybody currently in Den.

Hey, Saints: Trade up, take Willis

Good for Patrick Willis. I'm glad he recently ran a 4.37 40-yard dash for NFL scouts. I'm glad he bench-pressed 225 pounds 22 times (or was it 220 pounds 25 times?).

If that's what it took for him to move well up in the first round, good for him. He's a good guy, solid as marble. He's overcome more than most of us could even imagine. You pull for guys like PWillie.

But that 40-yard time and those bench presses aren't why I'd pick him first if I needed a linebacker. No, I'd choose Willis because he tackles. You don't need a stopwatch to watch him run past other people in his color uniform and then explode into somebody toting the ball in the other color uniform to make tackle after tackle.

You don't need to see him push weights to see he rises to the level of the competition. You just had to be there in Tiger Stadium this past autumn when he was a one-man highlight reel, racing from sideline to sideline, making tackles, running down a speeding wide receiver from behind, sacking a 265-pound quarterback who will probably be the first pick of the draft.

You can't use a stopwatch or scales to measure Willis's heart. You just had to see him out there as a junior, wearing that huge club of a cast on his right arm, and still the best player on the field.

See, you can't measure what's inside a player. You can't measure grit. And that's what separates Patrick Willis from 99.9 percent of other linebackers.

That's why he'll excel in the NFL.

NEXT GRANDISHAR?

It always has been my contention that the NFL relies too much on height, weight, 40 times and bench-press measurements to calculate a football player's worth.

Perfect example: Ohio State once had two prized linebackers on the same team. One was named Randy Gradishar, the other Rick Middleton. Gradishar was by far the more productive college player, an All American. Middleton, however, was bigger, stronger and faster. He measured better.

So, the New Orleans Saints, who needed a linebacker, picked Middleton ahead of Gradishar. Denver, picking next, gladly took Gradishar.

Gradishar became a seven-time Pro Bowler, a Bronco legend. Middleton was a bust, gone after two seasons.

But, boy, he was big and fast.

When scouts went to Mississippi Valley State to time Jerry Rice, they did a double-take when their stopwatches stopped at 4.65 when Rice ran the 40.

"This is the guy we've been hearing all about," the disappointed scouts said. "That's all the fast he is?"

Al Toon and Eddie Brown, who ran faster times, were picked ahead of Rice in the draft. Brown and Toon had nice careers. Together, they caught 72 touchdown passes.

Rice caught 197!

Again, you can't measure what's inside. You can't measure football speed, as opposed to track speed.

Or as then- Mississippi Valley State coach Archie Cooley so eloquently put it when told of Rice's 40-yard dash time: "Hell, nobody was chasing him."

IT'S AN INEXACT SCIENCE

We could go on and on about how inexact a science all this is. My point today: Sometimes the NFL gets so caught up in 40 times and bench-press numbers that they miss the obvious: Can he play?

Patrick Willis can.

So could Peyton Manning.

But Ryan Leaf, the guy many teams had rated ahead of Manning, couldn't.

Adalius Thomas just signed a five-year, $35 million contract with the New England Patriots. He is considered one of the best, if not the best defensive players in pro football.

Seven years ago, Thomas was the 186th pick of the draft. He lasted until the sixth round.

His 40 time wasn't great. He was, scouts said, an in-between size.

Plus, they said, he was a bit stiff in the hips. Now, Thomas just knocks people stiff.

I would wager that Patrick Willis will do the same. But again, I'm not basing that on a 4.37 time in the 40 or whatever that bench press was.

That's based on four years of watching him play and three years of interviewing him.

If I were the New Orleans Saints, I'd trade up in the draft to get him. They've got draft picks stockpiled. And Willis could be that impact defensive player they still desperately need.

In fact, he could be the Randy Gradishar they missed on all those years ago.

Rohirrim
04-25-2007, 11:20 AM
There's a few of those "football player over measurables" kind of guys in this draft. Brian Leonard, Zach DeOssie and Mike Otto are three of them. I'm sure there's more than just these three, but these are three I would like to see in O&B. Willis would be fine too, but a DT or DE comes first, IMO.

broncosteven
04-25-2007, 11:39 AM
I think having a solid MLB on field is a big plus as they are usually QB of the D.

I would take willis over Dline if we stay at 21. I still agree with Shanny that you can plug any 300+ ass plug in the line & get production. They will not dominate but better than taking a reach on a guy just to fill need.

Take best players at each position as available in draft then find a plan to fill holes later.

Hotrod
04-25-2007, 12:10 PM
I think having a solid MLB on field is a big plus as they are usually QB of the D.

I would take willis over Dline if we stay at 21. I still agree with Shanny that you can plug any 300+ ass plug in the line & get production. They will not dominate but better than taking a reach on a guy just to fill need.

Take best players at each position as available in draft then find a plan to fill holes later.

Willis will already be eating lunch in his new teams baseball cap by pick #21

bendog
04-25-2007, 12:15 PM
Well, I love Willis, but as I posted on the draft thread, if we're still pulling the Sam on 40% of the plays, trading into the top ten for a Mike doesn't really make sense.

NFLBRONCO
04-25-2007, 01:50 PM
Well, I love Willis, but as I posted on the draft thread, if we're still pulling the Sam on 40% of the plays, trading into the top ten for a Mike doesn't really make sense.


It makes sense for a Denver draft. Never address top priority upgrade 3rd priority instead.

BroncoBuff
04-25-2007, 02:04 PM
He's right about measurables ... I've come to the considered opinion that the Combine is a jerkoff-fest. I watched O-linemen run the 40 last night. The forty? WTF does a 40 time mean for offensive lienmen?!

Hotrod
04-25-2007, 02:06 PM
I dont understand how LB is not a priority? Whos our Mlb???

NFLBRONCO
04-25-2007, 02:15 PM
I dont understand how LB is not a priority? Whos our Mlb???

You think MLB is more a priority then DE and DT esp trading up?

Hotrod
04-25-2007, 02:23 PM
You think MLB is more a priority then DE and DT esp trading up?

Answer might be to trade DOWN picking up an extra 3rd and David Harris. Then we have plenty of picks in rounds 2-3 for the Dline.

The question is Willis>Harris and a fatty or is Harris and a fatty>Willis

In all honesty I'm all for the trade down pick up a very good MLB (Harris) and adding some fattys in the 2-3 range.

If we move up and take one Great fatty we wont get a MLB worth a crap nor be able to address S, Wr, Oline.

MileHighMagic
04-25-2007, 02:51 PM
It always has been my contention that the NFL relies too much on height, weight, 40 times and bench-press measurements to calculate a football player's worth.


That's for sure! Scouts are usually dumb ex-players or dinosaurs that refuse to take risks or change their ways. Take the better football player over the better athlete everytime.

I would be very happy if we traded up for Willis. I love his toughness and tackling ability.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bM4sEmaFLQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IqadSMQm5o

bendog
04-25-2007, 03:15 PM
He played almost all of 05 on two bad ankles, and the dline in front of him even last year was awfully small and thin. He's gonna be good.

But the problem goes back to moving up to take DJ, passing on THarris. We were really screwed by TB taking Clayton, though maybe he's falling apart, so maybe it was a good thing. But then they resigned Gold, and put DJ on the sideline for 40% of the snaps. That's not knocking Gold. DJ's gotta be given a shot at Mike so he can take 95% of the snaps. Look at Zach Thomas. DJ's bigger, faster and just as aggressive. As for the signals from the sidelines, I think Romo took them for awhile.

It's too bad Wilson's physical condition and contract couldn't be worked out so he could just take 60% of the snaps.

-Slap-
04-25-2007, 03:19 PM
He's right about measurables ... I've come to the considered opinion that the Combine is a jerkoff-fest. I watched O-linemen run the 40 last night. The forty? WTF does a 40 time mean for offensive lienmen?!

Its going to mean a lot of undeserved money for Joe Staley.

footstepsfrom#27
04-25-2007, 04:02 PM
I still agree with Shanny that you can plug any 300+ ass plug in the line & get production. They will not dominate but better than taking a reach on a guy just to fill need.
I take it by "reach" you mean drafting a defensive lineman in the 1st round? That idea is why we're in this mess in the first place.

You win in the trenches.