Broncos | Team makes offers for second overall pick

[RADRHATR]

Broncos | Team makes offers for second overall pick
Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:12:52 -0700

Nicholas Cotsonika, of the Detroit Free Press, reports the Denver Broncos have made two offers to the Detroit Lions involving the the second overall pick, according to the Denver Post. The first offer included LB Al Wilson and the Broncos' first-round pick. The second offer involved the Broncos' first-, second- and third-round picks in the 2007 NFL Draft, as well as their first-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft.

[Sassy]

The second offer involved the Broncos' first-, second- and third-round picks in the 2007 NFL Draft, as well as their first-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft.

Is that insane???

[DBruleU]

The second offer involved the Broncos' first-, second- and third-round picks in the 2007 NFL Draft, as well as their first-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft.

Is that insane???

Not when Calvin Johnson is involved.

[-Slap-]

Why hasn't anybody mentioned this before?

[theAPAOps5]

Jebus this makes thread number 4. Again I think this is too much especially if it is to go for Calvin Johnson.

[STBumpkin]

The second offer involved the Broncos' first-, second- and third-round picks in the 2007 NFL Draft, as well as their first-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft.

Is that insane???

It can't be true, but the only player they'd be looking at with that kind of scratch is Calvin Johnson

[The MVPlaya]

Broncos are basically willing to give essentially their whole first day worth of draft picks and another 1st for 1 player?

Calvin Johnson has to be the guy. It has to be an offensive position, you don't move that far to take a Dlineman, too much risk.

[Clockwork Orange]

Sweet! Any idea who they might be interested in?

Signed,
http://img.snlarc.jt.org/arc/skit/Mr.%20Short-Term%20Memory.jpg

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Why hasn't anybody mentioned this before?

I don't know, but Klis tried to clean up the mess he started by mentioning today that both trade offers were made last month.

and a new thread every 10 minutes is getting really old.

[Sassy]

Not when Calvin Johnson is involved.

I hate giving it all up for one player that isn't proven...
Dang...didn't Mike Ditka do that ;D

[watermock]

Well this is certainly news.

While Calvin is certainly enticing, don't let the smell of the steak sizzle blind you. No way we are giving up two firsts. I have the chicken wire ready to install just in case.

We burn at least 25 million in guaranteed bonuses. Id rather deal with Pubes at 10 or our personal b!tch in Washington. They are desperate for picks.

Russell, Quinn, Thomas, Calvin, Adams are all guaranteed to be gone by 10 but that leaves some tasty morsels for much less than moving all the way to 2. I have no doubt that the target would be Calvin if they pull the stunt. I would be pissed but he's a rare talent. Unless it's a favorable deal no dice. I'd rather move into 10 or so.

It's all complete speculation IMO. Anything leaking isn't coming from Denver in fear of a lashing.

[MechanicalBull]

Wow breaking news. I have never heard this bit of information on the Mane at all.

[cmhargrove]

The only other reason for this would be to trade again with another team like Tampa that is considering packaging their first three rounds to move to this spot.

Their #4 spot in each of the first three rounds might be tempting, but I would hate giving up a first next year.

[DBruleU]

Don't you think if we moved up that far, Al Davis would know we were after Calvin, and just take him in spite of that, even if he needs Russel more?

[theAPAOps5]

What good is Calvin Johnson to Denver making a run when the D is in need of so much upgrades and the Off Tackle needs an upgrade as well. Yeah if Johnson could play both ways then mortgage the whole draft but I am pretty sure he can't so I don't think its worth it as it stands. Now Gonzo bandied about some ideas in one of the other 3 threads about this mentioning TB and moving up and I like that idea.

[cutthemdown]

Broncos may be trying to scare Raiders into having to take Johnson maybe?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Scary.

[theAPAOps5]

Don't you think if we moved up that far, Al Davis would know we were after Calvin, and just take him in spite of that, even if he needs Russel more?


And that right there is probably why this has "leaked" get the fart to draft out of spite rather than need. Keep the Raiders in the cellar where they belong.

[cmhargrove]

The only other reason for this would be to trade again with another team like Tampa that is considering packaging their first three rounds to move to this spot.

Their #4 spot in each of the first three rounds might be tempting, but I would hate giving up a first next year.

If we could then trade with Tampa, think about Gaines Adams in rd 1, Justin Harrell in rd 2, and LB or S in round 3. Wouldn't be bad...

Or, Willis in 1, Harrell in 2, Spencer or Alimibri in 3.

If we were dumping the #2 for other picks, it might work out.

[theAPAOps5]

Scary.

Yeah I saw picks of your mom too. :( :troll:

[DBruleU]

And that right there is probably why this has "leaked" get the fart to draft out of spite rather than need. Keep the Raiders in the cellar where they belong.

Who the heck would we take at 2 then if Johnson is gone?

[Kaylore]

Redskins in discussions to acquire tailback

INDIANAPOLIS -- The Washington Redskins, desperate to add a running back who can make a major impact on new coach Joe Gibbs' run-oriented offense, are discussing a blockbuster trade with the Denver Broncos that would give them one of the NFL's premier young backs.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1742003

Supposedly it's Portis for Bailey, but not sure if another pick is involved.

[cutthemdown]

Scary.

It wouldn't make sense for Denver to trade up to 2 if they think Oakland would take Johnson would it? I just find it hard to believe that Broncos are really going to move this high in the draft. I think more it is to make a team like the Texans feel we have other options so we can a make a better deal with them. Or maybe to play games with Oakland. To be serious about giving away the whole draft for a WR when the team is lacking young talent on defense seems crazy. But then again maybe Calvin Johnson is just that good.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Hahahaha. Nice one, Kaylore.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

It wouldn't make sense for Denver to trade up to 2 if they think Oakland would take Johnson would it? I just find it hard to believe that Broncos are really going to move this high in the draft. I think more it is to make a team like the Texans feel we have other options so we can a make a better deal with them. Or maybe to play games with Oakland. To be serious about giving away the whole draft for a WR when the team is lacking young talent on defense seems crazy. But then again maybe Calvin Johnson is just that good.

Hell, they could be eyeing Adrian Peterson for all we know. That would scare me even more.

[theAPAOps5]

Who the heck would we take at 2 then if Johnson is gone?

We wouldn't, we would trade down to number 4 so TB can get him and then we have the 4 and slew of their picks. We would then address OT or DE/T in the first.

[sirhcyennek81]

Crazier things have happened. An offense with Javon Walker, Brandon Marshall and Calvin Johnson gives you giant receivers, Sheffler and Graham at TE, Henry and Bell in the backfield and a QB with the arm to get it to them. Makes it interesting, but highly unlikely a 1, 2, 3 a and b, plus 1 2008 leaves denver's possession simply for detroits 2nd. Johnson would have to be the next jerry rice x 100 to make that trade worth it.


:Broncos:

[OrangeShadow]

Redskins in discussions to acquire tailback

INDIANAPOLIS -- The Washington Redskins, desperate to add a running back who can make a major impact on new coach Joe Gibbs' run-oriented offense, are discussing a blockbuster trade with the Denver Broncos that would give them one of the NFL's premier young backs.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1742003

Supposedly it's Portis for Bailey, but not sure if another pick is involved.

Hilarious! rep for that one my friend

[theAPAOps5]

Plus in the other threads it was mentioned that TB offers more bang for the buck in regards to Detroit. They have more trade value where they stand. I think Shanny is putting out a smoke screen for his true intentions.

[broncos love]

Makes no sense in my opinion. WE NEED A DE. Forget Adams, Moss or Anderson would be my pick. If they trade up and get Calvin Johnson, for that price would be crazy.

[Ratboy]

All for Calvin Johnson? I just can't picture it.

Calvin Johnson - I'm not too sure about it. Calvin is probably the best player but do we need a WR with Marshal and Walker?

Adrian Peterson - Another iffy, we have Travis Henry and that points to a no-go.

Joe Thomas - This makes more sense, Cutler needs protection and he's the guy.

Gaines Adams - We need pass rush and he can give it to us. I also believe Elvis can get to the QB as he shown last season

[Rock Chalk]

Why hasn't anybody mentioned this before?

Man the internet really has ****ed up the offseason. One rumor posted one place and its repeated as gospel two weeks later by every paper in the country.

Retarded ****s.

[Sassy]

Man the internet really has ****ed up the offseason. One rumor posted one place and its repeated as gospel two weeks later by every paper in the country.

Retarded ****s.

How you holding up for your Wedding, Alec? ;D

[MechanicalBull]

Man the internet really has ****ed up the offseason. One rumor posted one place and its repeated as gospel two weeks later by every paper in the country.

Retarded ****s.


And all of these journalists can call it a day after a cut and paste job and had in their work to their editor. I still can't believe these people get paid to do absolutley nothing.

[theAPAOps5]

Except old reliable Adam Schefter. I think he is one of the few who actually still "report"

[broncogary]

Redskins in discussions to acquire tailback

INDIANAPOLIS -- The Washington Redskins, desperate to add a running back who can make a major impact on new coach Joe Gibbs' run-oriented offense, are discussing a blockbuster trade with the Denver Broncos that would give them one of the NFL's premier young backs.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1742003

Supposedly it's Portis for Bailey, but not sure if another pick is involved.

I clicked on the link, but I'm not an Insider, so I couldn't read the rest of the story. How did it turn out?

[Garcia Bronco]

Hi! I am Tom.

[longtimer]

This is Detriot, ... Maybe Shanny is try to get the chance to draft Johnson and Detriot to include Shawn Rogers in this deal?

[Rascal]

After hearing the news about Gold probably being gone next year, we need all the draft picks we got or trade one for one starter. We need to maximize the draft impact this year.

[Garcia Bronco]

Hi..I'm Tom.

[cambrad8085]

Boss Bailey!

[Dr.5280]

Smoke and mirrors. Maybe something falls to us. Maybe not.

[Garcia Bronco]

Hi! I am Tom.

[-Slap-]

21 + 56 + 86 + 2008 first rounder.

That leaves us Calvin Johnson + 70 + 176 + 198 + 233 this year.

In 2008, we would have picks in rounds: 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7.

Plus a conditional pick in round 4 or 7 from Tampa.

Don't we have another pick in 2008 as well?

In any event, handcuffing Calvin Johnson to Jay Cutler for the next 13 years is a great idea. We won't give that missing first rounder a second thought well before they board their first plane to Honolulu together.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

we have a 4th rounder from the skins next year too i believe

[Garcia Bronco]

Hi! I am Tom.

[dragondawg]

not worth all the picks

[-Slap-]

we have a 4th rounder from the skins next year too i believe

That's right. So, let's say Jake decides to end his walkabout and we recoup a fourth rounder for him. That means next year's draft picks will be: 2 - 3 - 4 - 4 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7.

That's not too bad, considering our offense will be pretty much set, except for left tackle.

Jay Cutler
Travis Henry
Javon Walker
Calvin Johnson
Brandon Marshall
Rod Smith
Daniel Graham
Tony Scheffler
Mike Bell

How you gonna **** with that?

[anthonypacino]

Does Denver even have the cap room to sign a 50 million dollar #2 pick? We knew they were rumored to try and make this deal before Foster and Tatum got dealt to Detroit. Sounds like final week jitters, smoke and mirriors. I still got a feeling we are gonna trade down for a 2nd and a 4th.

[Rocket 7]

[QUOTE=-Slap-;1563719]That's right. So, let's say Jake decides to end his walkabout and we recoup a fourth rounder for him. That means next year's draft picks will be: 2 - 3 - 4 - 4 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7.

That's not too bad, considering our offense will be pretty much set, except for left tackle.

QUOTE]

Lepsis isn't exactly mince meat yet well see

[chaz]

After hearing the news about Gold probably being gone next year, we need all the draft picks we got or trade one for one starter. We need to maximize the draft impact this year.

did i miss something? what news about gold being gone next season?

[ZONA]

1) Shut up Garcia with your stupid Hi I'm Tom crap - grow up. Nobody is laughing in case you haven't noticed. Try getting attention from your dog if you need it that badly.

2) We would not move up to #2 only for Johnson to have Al stick it to Mike by taking Johnson right in front of him. It's to get #2 and trade down and get more picks. Essentially it's like getting your 1st this year and your 1st next year in the same year. If we had the same record next year or even better we would be 21 again or even higher in the 1st round. This way we might end up getting something like #10 and #30 rather then #21 and #21+

3) Mike is not the least bit worried what the Faders do. They are a long way from even being a decent team. I don't care who they draft.

4) Suns win :strong:

[Garcia Bronco]

Hi I'm Tom

:)

[-Slap-]

Lepsis isn't exactly mince meat yet well see

He's 34 and he's coming off a high risk knee surgery. How much longer can we expect him to contribute at a high level?

[Atlas]

Why hasn't anybody mentioned this before?


i think burger bill mentioned it.

[Atlas]

not worth all the picks

again, you don't know that.

if johnson goes to 10 pro bowls as one gm said he would, than he is most definately worth it.

[Los Broncos]

It has to be a smoke screen. But if we did get him, we would be awesome next year not this year, imo.

[-Slap-]

Imagine if we would have given John Elway a number one receiver like Jerry Rice instead of Vance Johnson.

[NFLBRONCO]

Imagine if we would have given John Elway a number one receiver like Jerry Rice instead of Vance Johnson.

No doubt

[Los Broncos]

Imagine if we would have given John Elway a number one receiver like Jerry Rice instead of Vance Johnson.

That would of been sick.

[Clockwork Orange]

Imagine if we would have given John Elway a number one receiver like Jerry Rice instead of Vance Johnson.

Maybe it's because I've been watching so much basketball lately, but that made me think of Charles Barkley's quote about the 76ers never getting him any help to try and win a championship.

"I asked for Shaq and they got me Charles Shackelford."

[Garcia Bronco]

That would have been sweet...but then..Rice wouldn't have played in the WCO with Bill Walsh and his production would have been different.

A WR just doesn't get enough touches to justify that kind of movement...couple that with the fact that this was last months news repeated 5 times in the past 24/7....it's nothing be a dream.

[Vegas_Bronco]

We trade up and grab the pick and dangle it for the best suitor for 3 days or pick Calvin and immediately trade him away?!! This is just a spot to get better picks on day 1, but then again, whenever you have Ted and Shanny figured out they pound you back to humility.

I'm not drawing any comparisons between Calvin and Jerry - that would make me as bad as those weiners on ESPN. Elway did just fine, yes indeed!

[Atlas]

Imagine if we would have given John Elway a number one receiver like Jerry Rice instead of Vance Johnson.

Screw that just imagine if Denver would have drafted Carl Pickens and Thurmon Thomas like WE ALL knew they should have.

[Garcia Bronco]

Screw that just imagine if Denver would have drafted Carl Pickens and Thurmon Thomas like WE ALL knew they should have.

ahh..it all worked out the way it was supposed to..it literally couldn't have gone any better.

[Taco John]

Broncos may be trying to scare Raiders into having to take Johnson maybe?




That would be the worst plan in the entire world history of plans.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

That would have been sweet...but then..Rice wouldn't have played in the WCO with Bill Walsh and his production would have been different.

A WR just doesn't get enough touches to justify that kind of movement...couple that with the fact that this was last months news repeated 5 times in the past 24/7....it's nothing be a dream.

So Randy Moss in his prime wouldnt justify that kind of movement? hmmmm

[Pezman]

Har har! So much comedy gold to read... so little time!

[Taco John]

A WR just doesn't get enough touches to justify that kind of movement...

It's not about the number of touches that a WR gets. It's about getting the right kind of touches. A receiver like Johnson would get enough of the right kind of touches to make a one touchdown per game difference in our offense on any given week... And not necessarily from him.

I wouldn't do this deal for anyone but Johnson in this draft.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I wouldn't do this deal for anyone but Johnson in this draft.

What about Adrian Peterson?

[BroncoBuff]

I think I'm against it because Brandon Marshall looks like a potential Pro-Bowl talent receiver. Plus I hate WRs in the first round .... I know, this guy is different. But Javon+Marshall for the next 10 years ain't too bad.

Now maybe there are issues with Marshall we don't know about, but other than that, I can't see giving up all those picks. We have other needs

[Dagmar]

Who's Tom? ;)

[Pezman]

Who's Tom? ;)

Its obviously ZONA's doppleganger of course (or at least the one of the bug up his arse) :rofl:

I'm calling it now... We should open up a new forum just for discussion of Calvin Johnson

[wabbit]

That would be the worst plan in the entire world history of plans.


Maybe so TJ, but it's not at all beyond possibility that Shanahan is yanking Davis's chain & loving the angst he might be causing.

It's also entirely possible that he's making a legitimate offer to Detroit & enjoying the sideshow as an added benefit.

[Taco John]

Maybe so TJ, but it's not at all beyond possibility that Shanahan is yanking Davis's chain & loving the angst he might be causing.

It's also entirely possible that he's making a legitimate offer to Detroit & enjoying the sideshow as an added benefit.



Coming from a perspective of skepticism on Russell, everybody should be so lucky as to have such an antagonist. It's like having chicken on your mind and being tricked into ordering lobster.

[mhgaffney]

AD had 17 fumbles in 700+ carries at Oklahoma. That's is definitely scary.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

AD had 17 fumbles in 700+ carries at Oklahoma. That's is definitely scary.

A pro coaching staff can fix that.

[broncocalijohn]

Wow breaking news. I have never heard this bit of information on the Mane at all.


I heard this on the light rail coming back from 16th street mall BEFORE THE SEASON EVEN ENDED!

[CBF1]

ahh..it all worked out the way it was supposed to..it literally couldn't have gone any better.

Yeah, Tommy Maddox instead of Pickens worked out real well. Good night Tom.

[Atlas]

Yeah, Tommy Maddox instead of Pickens worked out real well. Good night Tom.

How about Ted Gregory over Thurmon Thomas.... Ted who?? You ask. EXACTLY!

[*WARHORSE*]

What good is Calvin Johnson to Denver making a run when the D is in need of so much upgrades and the Off Tackle needs an upgrade as well. Yeah if Johnson could play both ways then mortgage the whole draft but I am pretty sure he can't so I don't think its worth it as it stands. Now Gonzo bandied about some ideas in one of the other 3 threads about this mentioning TB and moving up and I like that idea.



Calvin Johnson single handedly will make the entire defense better.
The offense with Cutler throwing to Walker, Scheff, Graham, Marshall, Johnson and Henry will be unstoppable in Shanahans hands. Three huge WRs who can all block..............youre lookin at a spread offense that will score early and often, while still being able to pound the ball even with three WRs on the field.

Our opponents offenses cant score when they cant get on the field.

Our defense will be well rested and healthy, which will allow them to go deep into the post season................even if we are a little light in the butt.

[Atlas]

I have absolutely no idea how good Johnson will be, but if he is the Next Sterling Sharpe he is worth 2 # ones and a 2nd. Denver played GB in 1993 and Sterling Sharpe almost single handedly won the game for the Pack.

Like all other decisions I trust Shanny for I not know any better.

What's it going to like 3 years from now if Denver could have made a deal and didn't and Johnson is headed to his second pro bowl in three years??

I imagine Shany will get ripped for it by everyone here.

[crazyhorse]

All those picks for a WR? Thats dumb.

Let's put it in perspective. Steve Smith is a current day WR that actually effects his teams production as much or more than any othe WR in the league. Would you give a 1-2-3 and another 1 for him?

This would be good news for the rest of the AFC West.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Seriously... how come this wasn't mentioned earlier?

[Garcia Bronco]

It's not about the number of touches that a WR gets. It's about getting the right kind of touches. A receiver like Johnson would get enough of the right kind of touches to make a one touchdown per game difference in our offense on any given week... And not necessarily from him.

I wouldn't do this deal for anyone but Johnson in this draft.

Johnson isn't that good. He's not better than Larry coming out of college. It's just too much movement for one guy with all that risk. He'd look good in our sets with our other recievers, but this isn't position of need either. If Peterson wasn't injury prone I would maybe move up fir him...but that's still too many picks.

[-Slap-]

Ridiculous. Running back is the last position you want to move way up to draft. You can find great ones in any round and their careers are way too short.

Draft them low and run them hard, try and dump them on some sucker at the end.

[CHANGSTER]

Draft them low and run them hard, try and dump them on some sucker at the end.

Yes, The way of the Broncos. :thumbs:

[toad]

I guess Shanny's given up on the notion of building a defense to stop the Peyton and the Colts so he's going to build an offense that can go into a shoot-out with them.

[Odysseus]

Wide Receivers have longer careers than Running backs.

[Atlas]

I guess Shanny's given up on the notion of building a defense to stop the Peyton and the Colts so he's going to build an offense that can go into a shoot-out with them.


It's not only the Colts. The Broncos are going to need to score points against the Bolts too.

[Rascal]

It doesn't matter if we have Johnson, Walker, Marshall, Henry, Graham, and Cutler if our defense can't stop the opposing team from passing or running all game long.

[MechanicalBull]

Todd McShay was on espnradio earlier and said the teams interested in trading with Detroit if Johnson is still on the board is Tampa, Atlanta, and Denver but he said Denver knows they don't have enough ammo to move up and Detroit doesn't want to move down that far. He did say that the Lions want to move out of that spot so bad that they might take a bad deal just to move out.

[BroncoInferno]

Johnson isn't that good. He's not better than Larry coming out of college. It's just too much movement for one guy with all that risk. He'd look good in our sets with our other recievers, but this isn't position of need either. If Peterson wasn't injury prone I would maybe move up fir him...but that's still too many picks.

Keep in mind that Calvin's numbers suffered a good deal from playing with probably the worst passer in the ACC, Reggie Ball. That guy is just an awful passer. Playing for a team with a legit passing QB, his numbers would have been astronomical (they were quite impressive as is). He is definately going to be better than Fitzgerald and probably any WR who has come out in the last decade.

[Atlas]

It doesn't matter if we have Johnson, Walker, Marshall, Henry, Graham, and Cutler if our defense can't stop the opposing team from passing or running all game long.

Who game up more yards than the Colts last year?? Who won the Super Bowl again???

[toad]

It's not only the Colts. The Broncos are going to need to score points against the Bolts too.

True, true.

I'd throw the Bengals in there with the 'explosive' AFC offenses too.

Definitly a lot of offensive firepower we'll have to keep up with.

[Garcia Bronco]

Yeah, Tommy Maddox instead of Pickens worked out real well. Good night Tom.

Who's to say anything would have been different? Maybe th eMaddox pick motivated John in a way Pickens wouldn't have. It all worked out perfectly. I wouldn't trade the way it happened for any player

[kamakazi_kal]

Johnson isn't that good. He's not better than Larry coming out of college. It's just too much movement for one guy with all that risk. He'd look good in our sets with our other recievers, but this isn't position of need either. If Peterson wasn't injury prone I would maybe move up fir him...but that's still too many picks.

im not saying he is worth the #2 pick but peterson is hardly injury prone. 1 injury during his entire time in college while getting as many touches as he did shouldnt even raise an eyebrow..........guy is plain sick with the ball in his hands and would be an instant star in denver's system.

[Rascal]

Who game up more yards than the Colts last year?? Who won the Super Bowl again???

And you'd be a fool not to realize that their defense played very well during the playoffs. They created pressure on the QB and limited the run. I doubt our defense could do that right now.

[Garcia Bronco]

im not saying he is worth the #2 pick but peterson is hardly injury prone. 1 injury during his entire time in college while getting as many touches as he did shouldnt even raise an eyebrow..........guy is plain sick with the ball in his hands and would be an instant star in denver's system.

He's missed about as many games as he played. He missed almost all of last season and 4 games from the prior year. He's injury prone at this point.

[Garcia Bronco]

Keep in mind that Calvin's numbers suffered a good deal from playing with probably the worst passer in the ACC, Reggie Ball. That guy is just an awful passer. Playing for a team with a legit passing QB, his numbers would have been astronomical (they were quite impressive as is). He is definately going to be better than Fitzgerald and probably any WR who has come out in the last decade.


The chances that he lives up to that hype are slim and none. Fitzgerald didn't have the greatest passer either in college. While I agree Ball wasn't the greatest...it's still college ball.

[-Slap-]

He's missed about as many games as he played. He missed almost all of last season and 4 games from the prior year. He's injury prone at this point.

And what did they add to their defense to make it improve?

A safety drafted in the second round and a career underachiever defensive tackle that was jettisoned from Tampa Bay.

[baja]

That would have been sweet...but then..Rice wouldn't have played in the WCO with Bill Walsh and his production would have been different.

A WR just doesn't get enough touches to justify that kind of movement...couple that with the fact that this was last months news repeated 5 times in the past 24/7....it's nothing be a dream.

It6's not just his touches it's what he would to the other teams DC. You would have to double him every play that leaves Javon one on one with the second CB not to mention what it would do for the running game with the safeties needing to stay on receivers. We would have an unstoppable offense. All we would need out of the defense is to keep opponents under 21 or so because we will average over 30.

[FantomForce]

Smoke screen

[chaz]

And you'd be a fool not to realize that their defense played very well during the playoffs. They created pressure on the QB and limited the run. I doubt our defense could do that right now.

I would take our defense over Indy's anyday...no one expected them to pull together like they did, they were awful going into the playoffs. they came together to play really well, and i think denver has the chemistry to do the same at some point, hopefully bates will be that catalyst.

[Garcia Bronco]

It6's not just his touches it's what he would to the other teams DC. You would have to double him every play that leaves Javon one on one with the second CB not to mention what it would do for the running game with the safeties needing to stay on receivers. We would have an unstoppable offense. All we would need out of the defense is to keep opponents under 21 or so because we will average over 30.

That's a bunch of if's...and well into the future. The ROI just isn't htere considering we have other needs.

[Garcia Bronco]

And what did they add to their defense to make it improve?

A safety drafted in the second round and a career underachiever defensive tackle that was jettisoned from Tampa Bay.

huh?

[Garcia Bronco]

So Randy Moss in his prime wouldnt justify that kind of movement? hmmmm

I don't think so.

[-Slap-]

huh?

Sanders and McFarland?

[Garcia Bronco]

Sanders and McFarland?

I was talking about the RB Peterson being injury prone.

[Broncoman13]

Personally I think it would be too much for Calvin Johnson. I think he's going to be a heck of a player and probably will be a top 10 receiver in the NFL within 3 years. But, Walker and Marshall coupled with Graham and Scheff give us a lot of receiving options as it is. Honestly, Meachem at 21 is better value than Johnson at 2. Meachem won't be a better player, but he'll cost a lot less and he'll be a top 25 receiver in this league.

Here's what I see with a potential trade up. That #2 spot is very inticing for a number of teams. The Dolphins, Vikings, and Bucs would all like to be up there. Some for QB's, some for WR's, some for either CJ or the QB (Vikes). It's not impossible for the Broncos to trade all of those picks to move up to #2, turn around and send that #2 to say the Bucs for #4. Calvin Johnson will be the key there. If he's available at #2 and the Bucs really want him, we're talking #4 plus the Bucs 2nd round and 4th round picks this year. So essentially, we're giving up our 2008 1st to move up into the top of rounds 1, 2, and 4 this year. I can live with that. At #4 you take Thomas or Adams. @ #36 you have a shot at Harris. Then in the 4th you go after a guy like Thomas/Wendling/Solai. I see a lot of potential in a trade like this. True, you normally don't trade the farm unless you're super high on a prospect and think he'll be the best at his position for years to come... but then you usually don't trade the farm until draft day when you're sure that player will be available!

[SoonerBronco]

I was talking about the RB Peterson being injury prone.

There you go again...When Peterson has an injury free, hall of fame career I'll make sure to remind you of him being "injury prone."



















LOSER! :welcome:

[DeuceOfClub]

Who game up more yards than the Colts last year??
The Saints and the Eagles.

Who won the Super Bowl again???
The Colts.

[Garcia Bronco]

There you go again...When Peterson has an injury free, hall of fame career I'll make sure to remind you of him being "injury prone."



















LOSER! :welcome:

You might be right..."uncertain the future is"....but IP hasn't had a great track record thus far.

[Taco John]

It doesn't matter if we have Johnson, Walker, Marshall, Henry, Graham, and Cutler if our defense can't stop the opposing team from passing or running all game long.



Hey, remember? Coyer was the problem. We're on easy street now...

[Rascal]

Hey, remember? Coyer was the problem. We're on easy street now...

Sorry but Bates is an improvement over Coyer, even the biggest Coyer supporter has to admit that.

[Rock Chalk]

Breaking news!

Alexander of Macedon invades Persia, has plans to conquer Asia.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Sorry but Bates is an improvement over Coyer, even the biggest Coyer supporter has to admit that.

Bates will fix everything! BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATES!!!! Hilarious!

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4371/batescx3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Rascal]

Bates will fix everything! BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATES!!!! Hilarious!

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4371/batescx3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I never said that.

[baja]

Bates will fix everything! BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATES!!!! Hilarious!

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4371/batescx3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I hate to say it Bob but that's pretty funny.

[boltaneer]

It sounds like a lot but actually giving up this years 1st, 2nd, 3rd and next year's 1st is still not enough according to the draft value chart.

[Los Broncos]

That's right. So, let's say Jake decides to end his walkabout and we recoup a fourth rounder for him. That means next year's draft picks will be: 2 - 3 - 4 - 4 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7.

That's not too bad, considering our offense will be pretty much set, except for left tackle.

Jay Cutler
Travis Henry
Javon Walker
Calvin Johnson
Brandon Marshall
Rod Smith
Daniel Graham
Tony Scheffler
Mike Bell

How you gonna **** with that?

unstoppable.

[Broncojef]

After years of suffering through Griese, Plummer etc...maybe season ticket holders will get to see some offense again eh? One things for sure if Cutler is handed Johnson to go with the other weapons it certainly will be fun to watch. I'm off to pay my season ticket bill and get ready for the fireworks Saturday.

[baja]

What if jay is a bust???

[Atwater His Ass]

Here's my take. I would be happy with moving up to grab Johnson. That gives Shanny all the ammo he needs on offense to do great things. This gives Bates a year to really evaluate things on the defensive side and see what his needs truly are. Let's be realistic. I wouldn't consider us a Super Bowl favorite at this point, with a second year QB in his first year of being the starter, a banged up OL, a weak DL, weak at S and just lost the heart and soul of our defense.

Draft Johnson and give Cutler will have all the weapons he needs to be successful. If Shanny really believes Cutler is as good as we hope he is, it would be a crime not to surround him with talent. I don't want to see a repeat of Elway not getting his offensive talent until the end of his career.

Focus next year on a defensive draft after gving Bates some time to evaluate and maybe make some FA aquasistions. We wouldn't need much on offense anyway, outside of OL and perhaps RB depth. We can find OL and RB in the later rounds anyway.

Basically, if you have a talent like Culter, give him weapons. Cutler, Walker, Johnson, Henry, Scheffler, Graham, and Marshall would be scary. Especailly with Shanny pulling the strings.

[BroncoBuff]

Refresh my memory .... we don't have a #1 next year?

[Barry Ramey]

Millen wants out of #2 so he doesn't have to deal with Calvin Johnson. He takes Johnson and the local media and fans will get on him for taking yet another WR in the 1st round. He bypasses Johnson and takes another player and risks being the GM that didn't take Johnson who could become something great. If he trades out and gets extra picks, can make the argument that they're not one player away and needed the extra picks and still got someone with the top pick they need and wanted.

[Garcia Bronco]

Cutler already has all the weapons he needs. We need trench help first and foremost...badass QB trumps the need for badass 3-7 touches per game WR.

[TheDave]

What if jay is a bust???

Ban him!

[Garcia Bronco]

What if jay is a bust???

The evidence is already there that he isn't a bust. The question is will he be great?

[Hotrod]

IMO can we please stop with the Bates needs time to evaluate his players and make changes next year. Seriously if he has not been breaking down game tape of the current Broncos D players already then were in deep ****

[Atwater His Ass]

Cutler already has all the weapons he needs. We need trench help first and foremost...badass QB trumps the need for badass 3-7 touches per game WR.

We don't have a long-term solution at #2 WR. Smith may or may not play well this year. I hope he does. Marshall has a lot of upside but is still unprove. Granted, Johnson is unproven himself, but has a bigger upside than Marshall.

Smith will more than likely retire after this year, Johnson could be #2, and Marshall #3. Walker, Johnson, and Marshall can all block, and Graham can catch. This allows us to run out of 3 WR sets or pass equally well, which will keep a lot of defenses off-balance.

[Atwater His Ass]

IMO can we please stop with the Bates needs time to evaluate his players and make changes next year. Seriously if he has not been breaking down game tape of the current Broncos D players already then were in deep ****

For the most part I would agree. However, there vaule as a coach in seeing what you can get out of a player. Film isn't everything, and giving Bates a year to get his hands dirty with these players can be nothing but a positive.

[ZONA]

Breaking news!

Alexander of Macedon invades Persia, has plans to conquer Asia.

What's with some of you guys? I just don't understand why you feel the need to throw in comments that have nothing to do with what we're talking about. It's like this forum is a black hole in space and you are a spaceship called " I Need Attention" and you drive your ship right into the black hole.

Maybe that was a very bad way to explain it.........:~ohyah!:

Really though, I see these lame attempts at trying to get attention all the time. Go buy a dog, or cat and pet them for god sake.

[Hotrod]

What's with some of you guys? I just don't understand why you feel the need to throw in comments that have nothing to do with what we're talking about. It's like this forum is a black hole in space and you are a spaceship called " I Need Attention" and you drive your ship right into the black hole.

Maybe that was a very bad way to explain it.........:~ohyah!:

Really though, I see these lame attempts at trying to get attention all the time. Go buy a dog, or cat and pet them for god sake.

Thats about the 8th time you've posted crying about peoples posts. We get it you dont like off topic posting or posts attempting to be funny. I say pick out those people whos posts you dont care for and place them on ignore instead of bitching about it.

I'd be honored to be first on the list.

[BRNCOS1]

Isn't this draft supposed to be deep at WR?

[Rascal]

Thats about the 8th time you've posted crying about peoples posts. We get it you dont like off topic posting or posts attempting to be funny. I say pick out those people whos posts you dont care for and place them on ignore instead of b****ing about it.

I'd be honored to be first on the list.

LOL!!!

[Hotrod]

Hey Rascal where the heck did Shack go???