Nolan Nawrocki from PFW says we might see a flip flop with Houston on Draft day

[SoonerBronco]

Broncos moving up to 10?

Ron (Houston): Nolan, thanks for taking the time to chat! Have you heard which direction Houston is leaning at 10? Hall, Revis?? Are they trying to trade down? Thanks.

Nolan Nawrocki: (4:19 PM ET ) Corner is a strong possibility given the state of the current roster. They are thin at corner. From what I'm hearing, there's a chance Kubiak and Shanahan could make a deal on draft day, and the Texans could slide back 11 spots.


First I have heard of this

[FloridaResident]

yes! pick landry or willis.. thanks ;)

[OrangeShadow]

i wonder if anderson will be there?

[MechanicalBull]

I think Landry will be taken by then but would love to get him or Willis. I think that is too high to take someone like Carriker if thats what they plan on doing.

[BroncoInferno]

Anderson, Willis, or Landry (in that order) would be fine by me.

[55CrushEm]

Sooooo......since the difference between the 10th and 21st pick is 500 points, according to the value chart......that would be the same as our #56 and #86 pick together.....if we were to trade strictly draft picks......then we'd still get to keep #70.

[Barry Ramey]

It's probably Anderson they would be targeting since Willis will probably be gone by then. Whoever it is would really need to be worth it since the Broncos wouldn't have a draft left to worry about if trading up that high.

[55CrushEm]

Anderson, Willis, or Landry (in that order) would be fine by me.

Agreed.

[SoonerBronco]

OR...It could be to position ourselves better for the jump to #2...

The thought on why Detroit didn't take our earlier inquiry is because our 1st (no. 21) was too low for them. This might be to help us move up ala last year.

[Rich Karlis]

This trade probably wouldnt happen until Houston is on the clock. If one of Shannys guys is still on the board then he might pull the trigger.

[MechanicalBull]

OR...It could be to position ourselves better for the jump to #2...

The thought on why Detroit didn't take our earlier inquiry is because our 1st (no. 21) was too low for them. This might be to help us move up ala last year.

If that was the case then the trade with Den and Hou would have to be done before hand and moving up from 21 to 10 would cost a lot and then moving up from 10-2. Detroit doesn't want to move out of the top 10 or even the top 5 really.

[Killericon]

Official Houston-Related Trade Rumour Since Kubiak Was Hired Counter: 376

[GonzoLays]

Levi Jones here we come!!!

[Popcorn Sutton]

Official Houston-Related Trade Rumour Since Kubiak Was Hired Counter: 376

:spit:

[Beantown Bronco]

If that was the case then the trade with Den and Hou would have to be done before hand and moving up from 21 to 10 would cost a lot and then moving up from 10-2. Detroit doesn't want to move out of the top 10 or even the top 5 really.

Not to mention that Denver would ONLY want to move up to 2 if Oakland doesn't draft their guy. And there is no way of telling this in advance, or at least early enough to start these multi-step trades.

In other words, there is no way the Broncos would lock themselves up into a trade with Houston before the draft just to make another move up to 2...only to have their guy get taken ahead of them at #1. And no way would Houston then say...ok, your guy is gone so let's all give our picks back and start over.

Moving up to #10 means the move up to #2 is no longer an option.

[Atlas]

Broncos moving up to 10?



First I have heard of this

Your not paying attention then. Williamson said the same thing. He said that Denver wouldn't be able to move up any further though. I guess Denver might be able to ge Branch at 10.

[TexanBob]

Levi Jones here we come!!!


Are we raiding the Bengals or did you mean Levi Brown?

[R8R H8R]

Sooooo......since the difference between the 10th and 21st pick is 500 points, according to the value chart......that would be the same as our #56 and #86 pick together.....if we were to trade strictly draft picks......then we'd still get to keep #70.

That's the way I figured it also. Depending on who Shanny has targeted, I can live with this. If there is no stud at #70, we could see if the Saints would want to give us their #88 and 2 of their 3 4th rounders for it. :thumbsup:

[TexanBob]

I've seen three different trade scenarios:

#10 for #21, #56 and #86.
#10 for #21, #70 and #86 (and hope the Texans don't realize the value point disparity).
#10 and #107 for #21, #56, and #70.

The first and last scenarios are dead-on even in terms of the value point chart.

[ludo21]

I've seen three different trade scenarios:

#10 for #21, #56 and #86.
#10 for #21, #70 and #86 (and hope the Texans don't realize the value point disparity).
#10 and #107 for #21, #56, and #70.

The first and last scenarios are dead-on even in terms of the value point chart.

Id do any of those.

Get us a player like Willis or Anderson and that would be sick!! If they are gone by then, then we could move back down.

Do it Shanny!!

[Hotrod]

Ok so with option #2 we keep #56 (unlikely but follow me here)

We trade up to 10 and take Anderson then use whatever we need to (future picks) and take Harris.

Day one is Anderson & Harris

Im good with that.

[Rascal]

Your not paying attention then. Williamson said the same thing. He said that Denver wouldn't be able to move up any further though. I guess Denver might be able to ge Branch at 10.

Or Okoye.

[Rascal]

Ok so with option #2 we keep #56 (unlikely but follow me here)

We trade up to 10 and take Anderson then use whatever we need to (future picks) and take Harris.

Day one is Anderson & Harris

Im good with that.

Somebody wake hotrod up, he's snoring and drooling.

[skmoser]

Get Willis.....Landry will not be there at 10 and with #70 we can take Victor Abiamiri or Tim Crowder......Willis will be a stud and we dont have to move DJ inside........i also really like Abiamiri.....he is a big strong guy..

also shanny.....please take jackie battle at #198 or #233..................

[broncs2bowl]

How about Jay Cutler for pick number 10 and maybe Brady Quinn will fall to us. Or we could trade up for Quinn if someone else is looking for him.

[Hotrod]

Somebody wake hotrod up, he's snoring and drooling.

What ;D

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Denver's not giving up that much for a safety, he'd be just as ineffective as what they have now if they can't generate a pass rush.

[Inkana7]

I guarentee that by the end of Saturday, either Jamaal Anderson or Patrick Willis is a Bronco.

[broncs2bowl]

lol Im proud of you guys....no one freaked out on my "Jay Cutler for #10 and pick up Brady Quinn" joke. I was just bored and wanted to see some action lol(my parents are spying on me thinking I am studying)

And I agree with Inkana, either Jamaal Anderson or Patrick Willis will be a Bronco. As intruiging as Pat Willis would be and with all his beastliness I want a pass rush. Bates has turned LBs into stars and I bet he could do that with someone in the 3rd round ish. I hope we target Anderson(I am still REALLY bummed we missed out on Kris Jenkins)

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I dunno...im not sure trading up to 10 makes a ton of sense. But what do I know. If they were to do this and draft Willis and he sucks, im killingyou all:)

[watermock]

Levi Jones here we come!!!

Classic Gonzo. Levi BROWN will be another George Foster. I guarantee that we aren't moving up high for Levi BROWN. But that's what the chicken wire is for in front of the TV.

[Rascal]

Classic Gonzo. Levi Jones will be another George Foster.

I don't agree with that, but there is no logical reason (no matter how much that idiot screams otherwise) to get at OT in round 1 when our d-line is one of the worst in the league and we have a giant hole at LB.

[watermock]

Had to fix my post. Damn Lil Rascal. It slipped past me. I've heard the same things about Brown as Foster. Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

[azbroncfan]

If Denver trades up and passes on Anderson or Okoye for a friggin LB I going to make a 2nd biggest mistake in franchise history thread.

[OrangeShadow]

anderson or okoye are the only 2 i want to move up for

[DenverDuo]

Best move Denver could make. Take Anderson and Gattis in the third and my draft is made.

[watermock]

Stay away from my man crush! He's off limits!!Booya!

Okoye is certainly an interesting prospect. A Nigerian I believe immigrant, he walked and talked early, jumped grades and graduated HS at 14 and got his degree at 19. So much for the man holding him down.

I think he would be an excellent choice if he's there at 10. He's still raw but allready dominant.

[cdesignmaster]

I've seen three different trade scenarios:

#10 for #21, #56 and #86.
#10 for #21, #70 and #86 (and hope the Texans don't realize the value point disparity).
#10 and #107 for #21, #56, and #70.

The first and last scenarios are dead-on even in terms of the value point chart.


#2 isn't about the Texans not realizing the value point disparity, they might go for it if they figure the difference between #56 and #70 is better than any other offer on the table and that they don't feel that they can get a better value at #10 without the trade. They might not feel that whoever is available at #10 is worthy of that differential and have no better offer.

[ZONA]

I'm all for moving up if it doesn't involve a high round pick from next year. You always want your ammo for the next years draft. Swap your 1st, give up a 2nd and 4th to get to 10 if you like, get your player, fine. Don't get stupid and give up a first and a first and a 2nd and a 3rd and your mothers home, and your kidney to get to #2. No way in hell. I think the signing bonus for guys that high for unproven players is suicide. They automatically think they've got it made. Give me the middle rounder that wants to work his ass off and only costs me 10 million to sign. You go and draft Johnson at #2 and give him 25 mil and he's a bust or average, you're in the hole buddy and you aint getting out in a few years on that contract.

[watermock]

That sounds like me. I call it the top 10 curse. Overpaying for unproven. While Johnson is a drooler, it's not a huge need right now.

[mhgaffney]

I'd give a buck to know how many phone calls have happened this week between Denver and Houston.

No doubt Kubiak and Shanahan are thick as thieves.

It's natural since moving down would also help Houston.

[WABronco]

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/26/261540.jpg

[watermock]

I'm still waiting for a Pubes/Shanny deal. So far, nothing but Pubes picking up rejects. I imagine there is a bit of mind game going on to see who can get the best of who.

I'm still surprised Plummer didn't wind up in Houston. Maybe Pubes knew what we knew. Ha!

[wabbit]

One thing to consider; every time one of these blockbuster-level trade possibilities surfaces...and Denver has been associated with quite a few this draft season...teams carefully calculating who in their target group might fall to them, have to re-evaluate...assuming they place any serious credibility to the rumors.

One fact I know is true; Denver has continued to talk with Detroit, so that possibility, however unlikely, will/is rattle/rattling the cage of teams like Oakland & Tampa Bay.

Maybe that's Shanahan's real goal...perhaps he really thinks drafting Calvin Johnson is a possibility (partly because Millen is such a carrot)...I really don't know.

I do know I've fielded calls from friends of mine in Houston, Tampa Bay, Chicago, Detroit (actually Deerborn) who feel these rumors really do have some substance.

Whatever the eventual outcome, there are some teams out there on edge because of all the trade talks...TampaBay/Detroit, Wash/Minnesota, Miami & anyone will bother to return their calls...and the feeling is that this first ten-fifteen picks could be the most active & most interesting in many years...perhaps ever.

Expect some real fireworks the first day...and it's exciting to think the Broncos might be right in the middle of it...especially so, considering their starting position at a modest 21 position.

Has a kinda NASCAR feel.

[Vegas_Bronco]

Look at what the bookies have revealed? Odds on first pick in draft:

<TABLE id=wagerTable cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 align=center border=0><TBODY><TR class=odd vAlign=center><TD width="50%"></TD><TD noWrap>Adrian Peterson</TD><TD noWrap align=right>50-1</TD><TD><INPUT onclick=checkBox(this);document.oddsUpdate.CHECKED BZID.value=this.value type=checkbox value=F902-AdrianPeterson-042807,10 name=POINT_000> </TD><TD width="50%"></TD></TR><TR class=trline><TD colSpan=9></TD></TR><TR class=even vAlign=center><TD colSpan=9> </TD></TR><TR class=even vAlign=center><TD width="50%"></TD><TD noWrap>Brady Quinn</TD><TD noWrap align=right>30-1</TD><TD><INPUT onclick=checkBox(this);document.oddsUpdate.CHECKED BZID.value=this.value type=checkbox value=F902-BradyQuinn-042807,10 name=POINT_001> </TD><TD width="50%"></TD></TR><TR class=trline><TD colSpan=9></TD></TR><TR class=odd vAlign=center><TD colSpan=9> </TD></TR><TR class=odd vAlign=center><TD width="50%"></TD><TD noWrap>Calvin Johnson</TD><TD noWrap align=right>1-1</TD><TD><INPUT onclick=checkBox(this);document.oddsUpdate.CHECKED BZID.value=this.value type=checkbox value=F902-CalvinJohnson-042807,10 name=POINT_002> </TD><TD width="50%"></TD></TR><TR class=trline><TD colSpan=9></TD></TR><TR class=even vAlign=center><TD colSpan=9> </TD></TR><TR class=even vAlign=center><TD width="50%"></TD><TD noWrap>Gaines Adams</TD><TD noWrap align=right>30-1</TD><TD><INPUT onclick=checkBox(this);document.oddsUpdate.CHECKED BZID.value=this.value type=checkbox value=F902-GainesAdams-042807,10 name=POINT_003> </TD><TD width="50%"></TD></TR><TR class=trline><TD colSpan=9></TD></TR><TR class=odd vAlign=center><TD colSpan=9> </TD></TR><TR class=odd vAlign=center><TD width="50%"></TD><TD noWrap>JaMarcus Russell</TD><TD noWrap align=right>1-6</TD><TD><INPUT onclick=checkBox(this);document.oddsUpdate.CHECKED BZID.value=this.value type=checkbox value=F902-JaMarcusRussell-042807,10 name=POINT_004> </TD><TD width="50%"></TD></TR><TR class=trline><TD colSpan=9></TD></TR><TR class=even vAlign=center><TD colSpan=9> </TD></TR><TR class=even vAlign=center><TD width="50%"></TD><TD noWrap>Joe Thomas</TD><TD noWrap align=right>30-1</TD><TD><INPUT onclick=checkBox(this);document.oddsUpdate.CHECKED BZID.value=this.value type=checkbox value=F902-JoeThomas-042807,10 name=POINT_005> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[footstepsfrom#27]

Had to fix my post. Damn Lil Rascal. It slipped past me. I've heard the same things about Brown as Foster. Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.
Really? Where did you get that from? Gotta link?

Brown started 45 games in college...Foster had injury problems and started 9...a HUGE difference. Read what Rick Gosselin has to say on pro scouts looking for guys in the draft who were 4 year starters. 10 of the 19 rookies who finished the year as starters last year were 4 year college starters. Brown has more starting experience than any OT in this draft.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/rgosselin/stories/040807dnspogosselin.365760f.html

[TexanBob]

Careful there with the subterfuge, Shanny! PFW lays out a scenario where JaMarcus Russell falls all the way to the Chiefs if he doesn't go in the first three picks. You upset the apple cart too much and you get mashed.

[Hotrod]

If Denver trades up and passes on Anderson or Okoye for a friggin LB I going to make a 2nd biggest mistake in franchise history thread.

while probebly not the best move to pass on either of those IF Willis becomes a Bronco 1/2 of the mane will own his jersey within 12 months.

[FantomForce]

Smoke screen

[elsid13]

Glad to see the AF Intel training is being successfully employed at Dove Valley by the Sandquest (sp)

[SoonerBronco]

Smoke screen


Bingo...everyone thought we wanted Vernon Davis last year...glad we didn't get him...

I'm sure we will all be suprised come Saturday.

[U GOT JACKED UP]

At 10 we could pretty much get anyone that we have been talking about. I would be for Willis or Anderson. Something to think about is that if Willis is there their could be a possiblility that we could put pressure on Buffalo and then we move back two spots and pick up their second rounder. At 12 I think Anderson would still be their.

[Requiem]

I really wouldn't be surprised to see Amobi Okoye as a legit target, if the Broncos are considering going the defensive tackle route. I think Okoye will slip out of the top ten.

I think that this trade is obviously only made if someone that the Broncos highly covet are there. I'd venture to say, Alan Branch - Amobi Okoye - Jamaal Anderson and Patrick Willis are the top dogs.

At #10, I'm not even thinking Carriker.

It's a guarantee in my opinion, that one of the four are actually up there. I'm sure LaRon Landry is interesting as well.

[Requiem]

Oh, considering this deal - although it'd hurt next year, I wouldn't mind replacing one of this years picks with a future, even if it had to be a second-rounder. Keep the other two picks for the first-day.

[MechanicalBull]

I've been done trying to guess what Denver will do for awhile now. Nobody has any idea what they will do and everyone is in for a wild ride on Saturday. The only thing I know is that some people will be happy and some will be mad.

:thumbs: !Booya! or ::cuss: :garcia:

[bendog]

I'm already mad. I'm just trying to decide what/whom I'm most pissed off at.

But, I don't see the Willis thing. He's a good player and strong character guy. But I don't see the Den fit for a linebacker that high. Not unless Bates doesn't like Gold. DJ as a Mike fits Bates' scheme physically. He's maybe a tad small for Mike, but he's fast. But, if they're still going to pull the Sam on 40% of the plays, I don't see the logic of using the tenth pick overall on a linebacker.

[kamakazi_kal]

what time does ye old draft start anyhow?

damn now i cant just tune in around pick 15 ............. the broncos are lifting the ratings for the draft telecast with this damn rumor