LJ out of KC

[konnorrollison]

Would you like to see LJ out of KC because i herd he was on the trading block?

[Crushaholic]

LJ out of KC would severely limit their offense. Go for it, Carl!:thumbs:

[Hotrod]

Not sure but if I were LJ I'd sure as hell want out. They are gonna ruin his career with the 400+ carries every year. Now the Oline has been downgraded hes gonna get killed. Not to mention the twig boy QB.

[Kaylore]

No. I want them to sign him to a huge new contract and then watch his racist knees break.

[Atlas]

I would have loved to see him in a Bronco uni but out of KC will do. Hopefully for a 4th round draft choice to some NFC team.

[55CrushEm]

No. I want them to sign him to a huge new contract and then watch his racist knees break.

:rofl:

[Hotrod]

No. I want them to sign him to a huge new contract and then watch his racist knees break.

LOL

I just dont think you can relate to him thats all.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Broncos fans are scared out of their minds over Larry Johnson. The answer is obvious.

[MechanicalBull]

Even if there are rumors out there is still no chance that he gets traded.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Even if there are rumors out there is still no chance that he gets traded.

According to renowned NFL insider Florida Bronco, there is a SIXTY percent change he gets traded!!!!!

[ZONA]

LJ can stick it up his ass - who gives a damn about what he's gonna do. Once we get some decent DL in town, shutting him down will be on the easy side of things, especially now that they totally have nothing close to a passing game. I say we run blitz every down against them. Chiefs and Raiders are more then likely to be under 500 (8-8) next year. I actually think the suck ass Raiderettes might be better then the pansy ass quiefs.

[Dagmar]

We don't care what they do, we'll be better.

[Wes Mantooth]

what the he'll kind of thread is this?

[MechanicalBull]

LJ can stick it up his ass - who gives a damn about what he's gonna do. Once we get some decent DL in town, shutting him down will be on the easy side of things, especially now that they totally have nothing close to a passing game. I say we run blitz every down against them. Chiefs and Raiders are more then likely to be under 500 (8-8) next year. I actually think the suck ass Raiderettes might be better then the pansy ass quiefs.

Eventhough I think LJ is a POS guys like him and Tomlinson still put up huge #s even against teams with great defenses. I don't think if we get a decent DL that will totally stop guys like them from going off.

[Hotrod]

Eventhough I think LJ is a POS guys like him and Tomlinson still put up huge #s even against teams with great defenses. I don't think if we get a decent DL that will totally stop guys like them from going off.

Yep

While I think LJ is a complete POS hes still a beast on the field.

[DB84FAN]

Lock this thread and throw it in trash.

[DomCasual]

Broncos fans are scared out of their minds over Larry Johnson. The answer is obvious.

Scared out of our minds might be a little strong...

[DomCasual]

According to renowned NFL insider Florida Bronco, there is a SIXTY percent change he gets traded!!!!!

I think it's up to 62%, but it fluctuates.

[azbroncfan]

I want LJ to sign a MAX contract with KC.

[footstepsfrom#27]

How many LJ out of KC threads do we need? ???

[watermock]

Ask me If I care. Let them fret over one of the last decent players they they have...well, not decent, effective I guess is a better word. Diaper Boy is going to love the revamped line.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Diaper Boy is going to love the revamped line.

I'm excited to see what he can do with our new offensive tackles.

[Killericon]

The number of threads on this topic is far too great.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The number of threads on this topic is far too great.


I agree. Great threads about a great player.

[Florida_Bronco]

No. I want them to sign him to a huge new contract and then watch his racist knees break.

Either way would work well for Denver. LJ being gone basically takes away any offensive threat they had remaining.

On the flip side, he was rode hard last year and history says he will start to decline now. You also got to figure he's 28 and we know what the shelf life for a RB is, so if they sign him to a mega deal they will either a) have a very expensive but declining RB or B) Cut him when he starts to decline and cause problems with their salary cap.

[Florida_Bronco]

Even if there are rumors out there is still no chance that he gets traded.

They ARE shopping him, and they wouldn't be doing that without being open to moving him elsewhere.

[JCMElway]

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[ZONA]

Eventhough I think LJ is a POS guys like him and Tomlinson still put up huge #s even against teams with great defenses. I don't think if we get a decent DL that will totally stop guys like them from going off.

True - LJ is a good runner no doubt. But with NO passing game and a revamped line, we at least know what they will do 80% of the time. I can't compare LJ's situation to LT because one team has weopons in the passing game and a great OL while the other is by himself.

[Garcia Bronco]

Johnson is a great runner and a complete asshole. The scuttle butt is they hate him in KC.

[bronco610]

My question is, if he is so great even with out a good line, why did he do so bad in the colts game?

[400HZ]

I hope they give him a $30 mil signing bonus right before his knees stop working.

[Inkana7]

I hope they give him a $30 mil signing bonus right before his knees stop working.

This man has the right idea. :thumbs:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I hope they give him a $30 mil signing bonus right before his knees stop working.

Speaking of which, isn't LT due for a major injury?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

True - LJ is a good runner no doubt. But with NO passing game and a revamped line, we at least know what they will do 80% of the time. .

How is our passing game any worse off at the moment than it was all of last year?

[ohiobronco2]

How is our passing game any worse off at the moment than it was all of last year?

I dunno. Losing a 12 time pro bowler in Shields surely doesn't help. Hard to give the QB time to pass when your line is so pourous.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I dunno. Losing a 12 time pro bowler in Shields surely doesn't help. Hard to give the QB time to pass when your line is so pourous.

Shields allowed six sacks last year. His skills had declined noticeably. You're talking about a friggin guard, anyway, not a tackle.

[ohiobronco2]

Shields allowed six sacks last year. His skills had declined noticeably. You're talking about a friggin guard, anyway, not a tackle.

I'm well aware that he is a guard and I'm sure after so many years his skills have deteriorated. I still think he was a hell of a football player and an upgrade over whoever is going to fill his position. There are DT in the West who have the ability to collapse the pocket and put alot of heat on the QB. Huard did an excellent job last year, but my feeling is that the Chiefs are itching to get Croyle in there to see what he can do. Behind that make shift line, the odds are against him being successful. Bottom line, KCs offense needs to be totally revamped. They have problems with the signal caller, the line and the wideouts. They pretty much only have LJ and Gonzalez. Now KC is talking about trading LJ, all I can say is you better get excellent value, out of a position that carries little value in today's NFL.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The line is LESS makeshift than it was a year ago. No more undersized scabs like Turley. No more losers like Black.

[Popcorn Sutton]

The fact is that Larry Johnson is able to void the last 2 years of his contract so he is going to be a free agent in 2008 (next year). With that said it's unlikely there will be a trade for him this year.

:deadhorse

From NFL.com:

THE REAL DEAL

It got little notice last season, but Kansas City running back Larry Johnson played in enough games to void the final two years of his contract in 2008 and 2009.

Now, 2007 is scheduled to be the last year on Johnson's contract, which is one reason the Chiefs have been so active in bringing top college running backs to Kansas City for visits.

The Chiefs would like to reduce Johnson's workload, but they also need to cover themselves in the event that they cannot hammer out a new contract with their Pro Bowl running back. By drafting a running back on Saturday, something they have intimated to others that they will do, they have the insurance against Johnson that they need.

And it doesn't look like Johnson is on the trading block, as some have speculated. Any team trading for Johnson would have to work out a long-term contract with his agent, and to date, there have been no contract talks with other teams.

[Florida_Bronco]

The fact is that Larry Johnson is able to void the last 2 years of his contract so he is going to be a free agent in 2008 (next year). With that said it's unlikely there will be a trade for him this year.

:deadhorse

From NFL.com:

Which is why they would be smart to trade him. If he leaves in FA, they get nothing.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Which is why they would be smart to trade him. If he leaves in FA, they get nothing.

Sure they would be smart to try and get something from him this season but I guess the point of the article I posted is that there are no takers because they would have to sign him to a big dollar contract. I don't think it really matters what KC wants to do at this point... that is probably why they have brought in so many runningbacks before the draft this year.

This is good news. The Chiefs are going to get LJ for one more season minus Roaf and Shields and then he's going to go to the highest bidder next season. There are a several teams out there that have a TON of cap space and would love to get a runningback like Johnson. Keep in mind the Chiefs don't have a lot of cap space right now. I'd say that is probably why they are wanting to dump Green, Hall and Knight.

[HEAV]

I hope LJ get's pissed again and put's a Rear Naked Choke on Herm and makes him tap-out!

[Nuggets4]

Can someone edit this thread title so it has a question mark?

[azbroncfan]

The line is LESS makeshift than it was a year ago. No more undersized scabs like Turley. No more losers like Black.

Instead two retreads in Macintosh and Terry.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The Chiefs are going to get LJ for one more season minus Roaf and Shields and then he's going to go to the highest bidder next season.

Nah. He'll sign a new contract before training camp. He won't play under his current deal.

Keep in mind the Chiefs don't have a lot of cap space right now.

Actually we have plenty of cap space, which is why we can afford to keep Green on the roster if need be. Mostly because we didn't break the bank on backup tight ends and whatnot. :thanku:

[Atlas]

I want LJ to sign a MAX contract with KC.

a 7 year $80 million with a $18 million signing bonus. Yeah that would be cool. KC should do it.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

a 7 year $80 million with a $18 million signing bonus. Yeah that would be cool. KC should do it.

That's a little much, even for me. About 60 mil sounds right.

[azbroncfan]

That's a little much, even for me. About 60 mil sounds right.

KC shopping him pretty much shows the guy is cancer. You don't trade a RB like LJ unless there is something behind closed doors going on.

[Kaylore]

KC shopping him pretty much shows the guy is cancer. You don't trade a RB like LJ unless there is something behind closed doors going on.

http://www.pathguy.com/lectures/othello_front.jpg

[Bob's your Information Minister]

KC shopping him pretty much shows the guy is cancer. You don't trade a RB like LJ unless there is something behind closed doors going on.

Cancer:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1644/willishz0ah4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Not a Cancer:

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7527/lj201smjb1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Circle Orange]

Not sure but if I were LJ I'd sure as hell want out. They are gonna ruin his career with the 400+ carries every year. Now the Oline has been downgraded hes gonna get killed. Not to mention the twig boy QB.

Who's the twig boy QB?

[Man-Goblin]

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7527/lj201smjb1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I can see it in his eyes that he is having a hard time relating to that lady.

[cmhargrove]

I know the Titans need to be looking for a new CB, but if they could swing a trade for LJ, it would be pretty fun to watch.

Vince Young and LJ on the same offense would give them something they haven't had since McNair and George were hot. All they would need is some receivers...

I hate to say it, but I agree with Bob. The only reason the Chiefs are throwing this out is to see how contract negotiations will begin before training camp. Chiefs will re-sign LJ unless they get an over the top offer.

However, my preseason prediction. This is the year of LJ's first major knee injury. He won't finish the season. I don't wish him harm, but I'm afraid he has put a lot of recent wear on the tires and he will be a target this year. I never "hope" any player gets hurt, it just smells like it will happen the way things are shaping up in KC.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

However, my preseason prediction. This is the year of LJ's first major knee injury. He won't finish the season. .

It is time for LaDainian Tomlinson's knee to break, too.

[OrangeShadow]

why wouldnt i want LJ to leave KC? as long as he doesnt go to oakland. The guy is an insanely good back and id love not have to face him twice a year.

[ohiobronco2]

It is time for LaDainian Tomlinson's knee to break, too.

Nope. He has a complementary back to split carries with. Also a passing game to mix things up.

[Hotrod]

Nope. He has a complementary back to split carries with. Also a passing game to mix things up.

Um excuse me have you never heard of THE Brady Croyalwhatshisname and the mosquito err I mean Mrs. hall???

[azbroncfan]

Cancer:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1644/willishz0ah4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Not a Cancer:

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7527/lj201smjb1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Explain why they are shopping him? You don't shop a guy like him unless there is something going on behind closed doors.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Nope. He has a complementary back to split carries with. Also a passing game to mix things up.

LT has much more wear and tear on him as an NFL player. LJ has only started one full season. LT has 2500 career touches.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

This is how I feel.

http://picardsno.ytmnd.com/

[scttgrd]

This message is hidden because Bob's your Information Minister is on your ignore list.

Welchers deserve no less than to be ignored. Bye Bob.

[Broncos_OTM]

i seen on KFFL that he is being looked at by buffalo, GB, and Tenn

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

[400HZ]

Even the native mulletheads are starting to turn on Larry.

Consider trading him

JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

No one asked me, but just in case Carl Peterson and Clark Hunt would like to know where I stand: I’d consider trading
Larry Johnson rather than handing him a lucrative contract extension.

Seriously. Oh, I respect what Larry Johnson has accomplished the last two years, back-to-back 1,700-yard seasons,
consecutive Pro Bowl appearances and 37 touchdowns.

Larry is owed big money. He’s earned it. You could make a pretty strong argument he’s the NFL’s second-best running back
after LaDainian Tomlinson.

I just wouldn’t be in a rush to be the general manager or owner who gave L.T.-type money to L.J. And I sure as heck
wouldn’t want to be the coach forced to deal with L.J.’s T.O.-like behavior, especially after that behavior gets protected with
close to $20 million in guaranteed bonuses.
The Chiefs have a big decision to make this offseason, and there’s no reason we should act as if reworking Larry’s contract
way north is a no-brainer. It’s not.
Larry is far from the most popular player in the Chiefs’ locker room with the players. He’s aloof, moody and constantly
distracted by his desire to be misunderstood and to be a member of Jay-Z’s posse.

“If they give him a huge contract, they’ll create a monster,” one Chiefs player told me this offseason. “And I told Herm
that.”

Johnson, according to another teammate, can be a disruptive force in locker-room chemistry. The team’s most valuable
and important player, according to a teammate, oftentimes sits in meetings text messaging friends and associates.

We all know Larry loves to make headlines with tell-all interviews. He went on HBO this season and claimed that it was
easier for him to play for a black head coach because Herm Edwards knows what it’s like to, among other things, go to
nightclubs in the ’hood.

Larry also finds it easier, I assume, to question the offensive strategy of a black head coach who bends over backward
trying to satisfy the ego of his star running back, because L.J. had little trouble throwing Edwards and the coaching staff
under the bus after Kansas City’s playoff loss.

Three years ago, when the Chargers made Tomlinson the richest running back in the history of the league with a $60
million contract and $20 million in guaranteed bonuses, here’s what the Chargers’ team president was quoted saying about
L.T.:

“LaDainian represents everything you want from a player. He is our role model. Every young player should aspire to be like
L.T., the way he carries himself on and off the field. He has demonstrated he can do and will do what it takes to be a
winner and to be the best.”

Could Carl Peterson say that about L.J. with a straight face?

No way. (FYI: I attempted to contact Peterson and Edwards on Wednesday. They were both legitimately unavailable.

Peterson, I was told, was out of town. Edwards, I was told, spent most of Wednesday in meetings with the scouting
department.)

But the reasons to consider trading L.J. go deeper than just the quirks in his personality, deeper than the possibility that he
might be the next T.O. or Randy Moss.

Johnson carried the ball an NFL-record 416 times last year. In the history of the league, nine running backs have
accumulated 390-plus carries in a season. Only one, Eric Dickerson, continued to ascend after toting the rock that many
times. Everyone else faded quickly.

Is L.J. the next Eric Dickerson, a terrific player and locker-room cancer with the Rams, Colts, Raiders and Falcons?
Or is L.J. the next Eddie George, Jamal Anderson, Terrell Davis or James Wilder?

The one thing I really respect about Johnson is his brutal honesty. He doesn’t hide who he wants to be. As soon as the
season was over, he high-tailed it to New York to get to work on whatever it is he wants to do with rapper Jay-Z.

I mean, really, there were two certainties when this season ended: Tiki Barber would begin his career as a broadcaster, and Larry Johnson would be in New York working on his street cred and Roc-A-Fella hand signals.

In pursuit of a new contract, some athletes wouldn’t be nearly as truthful as L.J. They would sneak off to New York while
telling everyone about their elaborate plans to rest up and begin a new training regime with their own specialist, Bay Bay
McWorkout. They might even invite a television crew to tape them while they push a mobile home on a giant treadmill.

L.J. is going to skip the publicity tour. He believes he has all the leverage he needs. Tony Gonzalez will be 31 in a couple of
weeks. Trent Green is still woozy. Dante Hall has fallen and can’t get up. Jared Allen is headed to jail.

L.J. is Kansas City’s lone, unblemished, in-his-prime star. Herm Edwards’ whole plan of attack falls apart without a
punishing running back.

The Chiefs have to pay Larry Johnson.

No they don’t. Not if another team is willing to offer something resembling fair value (a top-12 draft pick and a defensive
starter or wide receiver). You can find and develop young running backs quickly.

Finding, developing and maintaining a Super Bowl-level chemistry is a lot more elusive, especially when you have a
potential T.O. or Randy Moss in your locker room.

I’m not saying the Chiefs should trade Larry Johnson. I’m saying they should consider doing it.

Link to pdf file on story

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Welcome to months ago.

[SoCalBronco]

Welcome to months ago.

This was a very good piece by Whitlock. It raised alot of legitimate issues.

[Clockwork Orange]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

CHIEFS SHOPPING L.J.

A day after reporting that Chiefs running back Larry Johnson doesn't appear to be on the trading block, Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Chiefs are indeed shopping the four-year pro.

Per Schefter, the Chiefs have spoken with the Browns, Packers, Titans, Bills and possibly others. To date, the Chiefs haven't gotten close to a deal.

A Chiefs official told Schefter that the team hasn't engaged in "specific" trade talks, but Schefter properly (we believe) discounts the claim as a product of semantics. The Chiefs can't afford to have the quietly temperamental Johnson go T.O. on the team, so any trade effort must be done discreetly.

The biggest impediment to getting a deal done, as Schefter explains, is the money it would take to sign Johnson to a long-term deal. Schefter says that Johnson wants a deal worth more than the eight-year, $60 million package received by Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson two years ago.

In our view, too much has to happen too quickly for a trade to happen before the draft. And given the prevailing thought in league circles that running backs are largely interchangeable, a team in need would be better off making a play for L.T.'s backup, Michael Turner.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Turner would be a much better player to acquire. He isn't a broken down, coach-choking, woman-beating, pistol-whipping racist locker room cancer.

[SoCalBronco]

Turner would be a much better player to acquire. He isn't a broken down, coach-choking, woman-beating, pistol-whipping racist locker room cancer.

I'm sure the Chiefs have considered that option but I don't think they want to give up a high pick to a division rival. I wouldnt be surprised if they have thought of it though. They're going to have to replace LJ some way.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I was talking about teams trying to trade for a running back. Why pass up Michael Turner for the NFL's next Rae Carruth?

[Florida_Bronco]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

CHIEFS SHOPPING L.J.

A day after reporting that Chiefs running back Larry Johnson doesn't appear to be on the trading block, Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Chiefs are indeed shopping the four-year pro.

Per Schefter, the Chiefs have spoken with the Browns, Packers, Titans, Bills and possibly others. To date, the Chiefs haven't gotten close to a deal.

A Chiefs official told Schefter that the team hasn't engaged in "specific" trade talks, but Schefter properly (we believe) discounts the claim as a product of semantics. The Chiefs can't afford to have the quietly temperamental Johnson go T.O. on the team, so any trade effort must be done discreetly.

The biggest impediment to getting a deal done, as Schefter explains, is the money it would take to sign Johnson to a long-term deal. Schefter says that Johnson wants a deal worth more than the eight-year, $60 million package received by Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson two years ago.

In our view, too much has to happen too quickly for a trade to happen before the draft. And given the prevailing thought in league circles that running backs are largely interchangeable, a team in need would be better off making a play for L.T.'s backup, Michael Turner.

So Schefter confirmed exactly what I said, including 2 of the teams that I mentioned, right SoCal? :)

[SoCalBronco]

So Schefter confirmed exactly what I said, including 2 of the teams that I mentioned, right SoCal? :)

Bingo.